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Are 2 CDJs and 1 DJM worth it? Posted on: 17.04.2013 by Emelina Paglia There's this guy that is selling his 2 CDJ 350s and DJM 350 for $1100. Right away I jumped on the opportunity to get those at that price... In my opinion it's a steal. Very good deal! What do you guys believe? (the condition of the gear is good, everything works and looks great)
Gaynell Rydberg 21.04.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 That Patriot isn't 22 dollars anymore, I suggested one that was within the budget mentioned. And I ruled out that ADATA after reading some of its reviews. If $1/GB is a rip off, why did you link a stick that costs $1.20/GB? Please stop being so technical. I realize your UK prices are more expensive than the US, but in the US, paying more than $1/GB is just a rip off. I posted my Patriot as an example of what you can get. If you're really in a rush, then you can pick up the ADATA for less than $1/GB. 64 GB for 29 dollars after rebate - http://slickdeals.net/f/5980550-ADAT...ad-Speed-29-AR There's pretty much at least one USB flash drive deal on slickdeals every week.
Shawn Vanhaitsma 21.04.2013	Originally Posted by julamy0109 I paid my 2 CDJ 400 and a DJM 600 for 500$ CAN. I call that a steal. Yours is just a very decent deal. Hell I wouldnt even pay the 699 price tag of a 350 brand new, let alone 300 for a used one... But hey, to each their own.
Alphonso Deitchman 21.04.2013	Maybe one of these for gigs? http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Flash-...dp/B005MHN6K2/ Upgrading to 32gb is usually only $10-15 for most drives Originally Posted by kooper1980 This is the key. how much longer would the wait be given the fastest and slowest write speeds you've mentioned? Copying times can be easily calculated from the specs; a typical generic drive will transfer at maybe 15MB/sec, whereas a decent USB 3.0 stick should write at over 100MB/sec. So you're looking at nearly 7 times the wait for a slow stick. It's harder to predict loading times, but my Class 10 SD loads tracks much faster than the Class 6.
Kristofer Krauel 21.04.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 If you don't mind waiting for your tracks to load or copy then by all means go for the cheaper offerings. This is the key. how much longer would the wait be given the fastest and slowest write speeds you've mentioned?
Alphonso Deitchman 21.04.2013	I admit I did not check Newegg as it is not a site I'm familiar with. Your Patriot is 42 dollars from several different Amazon sellers. $44 is not a number I'd call "overpriced" when compared to $39, which is still well over the $1 boundary.
Gaynell Rydberg 21.04.2013	Point still stands, paying 44 dollars for a 32 GB CORSAIR is overpriced. There are cheaper and just as good flash drives out there and paying over 1 dollar a GB should never be done unless you're desperate.
Alphonso Deitchman 21.04.2013	The 1st ADATA drive you mentioned as somewhat worse reviews than the Patriot so I decided not to recommend it. Even the really good companies (Sandisk from experience) make almost as many bad products as they do decent ones. The only way to know you're getting something decent is by reading other people's reviews. I would never blindly recommend a brand name to someone looking for flash media.
Gaynell Rydberg 21.04.2013	But you DID post an overpriced drive Your drive: CORSAIR Flash Survivor 32GB 80 MB read/40 MB write 44 dollars My 'overpriced' drive: Patrior Supersonic Rage XT 32 GB 180 MB read/50 MB 38 dollars I might not be as strong as you guys in the DJ world, but tech is something I'm confident in. ADATA, Patriot, Sandisk, Samsung, CORSAIR are all really good companies. Worst case, you get a bad drive. Newegg is fantastic with returns.
Alphonso Deitchman 21.04.2013	Well you complained about me posting an overpriced drive, then proceeded to link a drive that costs almost the same as the one you were complaining about. I would only recommend a drive with lots of reviews, and the ADATA S107 has hardly any.
Gaynell Rydberg 21.04.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 That Patriot isn't 22 dollars anymore, I suggested one that was within the budget mentioned. And I ruled out that ADATA after reading some of its reviews. If $1/GB is a rip off, why did you link a stick that costs $1.20/GB? Please stop being so technical. I realize your UK prices are more expensive than the US, but in the US, paying more than $1/GB is just a rip off. I posted my Patriot as an example of what you can get. If you're really in a rush, then you can pick up the ADATA for less than $1/GB. 64 GB for 29 dollars after rebate - http://slickdeals.net/f/5980550-ADAT...ad-Speed-29-AR There's pretty much at least one USB flash drive deal on slickdeals every week.
Alphonso Deitchman 21.04.2013	That Patriot isn't 22 dollars anymore, I suggested one that was within the budget mentioned. And I ruled out that ADATA after reading some of its reviews. If $1/GB is a rip off, why did you link a stick that costs $1.20/GB?
Gaynell Rydberg 21.04.2013	OMG. Please stop posting links to USB drives makar1. Everything you're posting is overpriced and a waste of money. Paying 1 dollar per GB is already a rip off. You should never pay that much since they go on sale so often, but if you really need to, then it's fine. I got this Patriot Rage XT 32GB USB 3.0 for 22 dollars: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820220719 Ive seen it go for less. This ADATA is excellent for 26 bucks: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...irtualParent=1
Shawn Vanhaitsma 21.04.2013	Originally Posted by julamy0109 I paid my 2 CDJ 400 and a DJM 600 for 500$ CAN. I call that a steal. Yours is just a very decent deal. Hell I wouldnt even pay the 699 price tag of a 350 brand new, let alone 300 for a used one... But hey, to each their own.
Dannie Dimora 21.04.2013	As far as i know no cdj supports usb3? Doesn't it throttle down usb3 devices to usb2 speeds? Am i missing something?
Alphonso Deitchman 21.04.2013	Maybe one of these for gigs? http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Flash-...dp/B005MHN6K2/ Upgrading to 32gb is usually only $10-15 for most drives Originally Posted by kooper1980 This is the key. how much longer would the wait be given the fastest and slowest write speeds you've mentioned? Copying times can be easily calculated from the specs; a typical generic drive will transfer at maybe 15MB/sec, whereas a decent USB 3.0 stick should write at over 100MB/sec. So you're looking at nearly 7 times the wait for a slow stick. It's harder to predict loading times, but my Class 10 SD loads tracks much faster than the Class 6.
Kristofer Krauel 21.04.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 If you don't mind waiting for your tracks to load or copy then by all means go for the cheaper offerings. This is the key. how much longer would the wait be given the fastest and slowest write speeds you've mentioned?
Grace Gatica 21.04.2013	I already own a 16gb sony USB drive for DJing what would you recommend me for another under $30? (16 or 32gb)
Alphonso Deitchman 21.04.2013	Would you prefer if I just agreed with everything you said? You always seem to leave the discussion when facts are used against your argument.
Doreen Schurle 21.04.2013	Originally Posted by Shishdisma I'm 100% positive that even if you added around 25 tracks a week to your library, the difference between the fastest write speed on the market and normalized budget rates would be something like 5 extra minutes on the initial library write. You guys are being ridiculous, read/write speed marginalizing gets you exactly fuck all. Just ignore him. He argues with everything I says regardless of a) whether or not it matters, and b) whether or not anyone else agrees with him. I'm starting to just view it as white noise, kinda soothing.
Alphonso Deitchman 21.04.2013	The two drives mentioned in this thread have maximum sequential write speeds of 37 and 117 MB/sec respectively. A generic USB stick is usually below 20 MB/sec. Would you consider that marginal? If you don't mind waiting for your tracks to load or copy then by all means go for the cheaper offerings.
Nancey Inderlied 21.04.2013	I'm 100% positive that even if you added around 25 tracks a week to your library, the difference between the fastest write speed on the market and normalized budget rates would be something like 5 extra minutes on the initial library write. You guys are being ridiculous, read/write speed marginalizing gets you exactly fuck all.
Alphonso Deitchman 21.04.2013	Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50 External hard drives are different from flash drives. External hard drives are better at posting the benchmark speeds than flash drives. Reviews for the Sandisk drive I mentioned earlier give a transfer rate of 30MB/sec on USB 2.0 My SD card benchmarks at around 26MB/sec, but that's just on a generic SD card reader which is bottlenecking it. Edit: While we're on the topic of flash media, never buy anything from Ebay except from outlets of reputable stores. And only buy direct from Amazon rather than their 3rd party sellers.
Gaynell Rydberg 21.04.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 I'm performing a benchmark on my external hard drive through USB 2.0 right now. The minimum transfer rate is 31.9 MB/sec. I'm not saying you need to go for the top performing drive; 100MB/sec is more what I'd consider acceptable performance for USB 3.0. But the Lexar drive suggested earlier can only manage 40MB/sec which is very poor for a USB 3.0 drive. External hard drives are different from flash drives. External hard drives are better at posting the benchmark speeds than flash drives.
Alphonso Deitchman 21.04.2013	Decent write speed is worth having for copying tracks onto USB, especially if you have to do it twice. And Rekordbox doesn't allow you to continue browsing until a transfer is complete.
Kristofer Krauel 21.04.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 I'm performing a benchmark on my external hard drive through USB 2.0 right now. The minimum transfer rate is 31.9 MB/sec. I'm not saying you need to go for the top performing drive; 100MB/sec is more what I'd consider acceptable performance for USB 3.0. But the Lexar drive suggested earlier can only manage 40MB/sec which is very poor for a USB 3.0 drive. But how long would a track take to load at these specs? If 40MB/sec means a track takes 1 second to load rather than 1/4 of a second i'm not going to lose sleep. I can spare an extra 3/4 sec per track.
Alphonso Deitchman 21.04.2013	Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50 makar1: I don't know how much time you spend on tech stores... but just because USB 2.0 says 30 MB/s, if you actually run tests USB 2.0 rarely ever reaches those speeds. As you've noted already, not all USB 3.0 are the same, and not all USB 2.0 are the same. You can pay an arm and a leg for the best USB 3.0 out there, or you can be smart and pay 0.50 cents per GB and get a nice 100 read USB 3.0. I'm performing a benchmark on my external hard drive through USB 2.0 right now. The minimum transfer rate is 31.9 MB/sec. I'm not saying you need to go for the top performing drive; 100MB/sec is more what I'd consider acceptable performance for USB 3.0. But the Lexar drive suggested earlier can only manage 40MB/sec which is very poor for a USB 3.0 drive.
Gaynell Rydberg 21.04.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 If something says USB 3.0 on the specs, I would expect it to perform significantly than USB 2.0 speeds. There also seem to be several complaints around about the build quality on that "fantastic deal". makar1: I don't know how much time you spend on tech stores... but just because USB 2.0 says 30 MB/s, if you actually run tests USB 2.0 rarely ever reaches those speeds. As you've noted already, not all USB 3.0 are the same, and not all USB 2.0 are the same. You can pay an arm and a leg for the best USB 3.0 out there, or you can be smart and pay 0.50 cents per GB and get a nice 100 read USB 3.0.
Alphonso Deitchman 21.04.2013	The sheer number of ill-informed, narrow-minded posts you make, often borderlining on bigotry (sarcastic or not) certainly motivate me to make a point here and there. But in this case I'm just providing a counter argument to the cheaper-is-better statement.
Doreen Schurle 21.04.2013	Sigh, why must you indiscriminately argue with EVERYTHING I say?
Alphonso Deitchman 21.04.2013	If something says USB 3.0 on the specs, I would expect it to perform significantly than USB 2.0 speeds. There also seem to be several complaints around about the build quality on that "fantastic deal".
Doreen Schurle 21.04.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 I have 2 SD cards, a class 6 and a class 10. The class 10 takes maybe 1/4 of a second or less to load a track, whereas the class 6 takes closer to a full second. Even the class 6 is a fair bit faster than 15MB/s. Why settle for the bare minimum? What happened to your "impossibly high standards"? And Rekordbox does not sync folders, which you'd know if you'd actually used it. If making playlists every time is how you want to mix then 2 sticks is easy. I prefer to have a more complete collection on hand rather than having to play one-by-one off a prepared list. I managed perfectly well to transfer my Rekordbox library to two USB sticks, one after the other. It wasn't exactly bloody difficult. And I'm not settling for the bare minimum. A 32gb stick which does 40MB/sec for
Alphonso Deitchman 21.04.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign Hell, 15MB/s is fine for playing off CDJs. Means it takes a second to load a track in its entirety. And Rekordbox can still sync a folder to multiple USB sticks. I have 2 SD cards, a class 6 and a class 10. The class 10 takes maybe 1/4 of a second or less to load a track, whereas the class 6 takes closer to a full second. Even the class 6 is a fair bit faster than 15MB/s. Why settle for the bare minimum? What happened to your "impossibly high standards"? And Rekordbox does not sync folders, which you'd know if you'd actually used it. If making playlists every time is how you want to mix then 2 sticks is easy. I prefer to have a more complete collection on hand rather than having to play one-by-one off a prepared list.
Emelina Paglia 20.04.2013	You guys are cracked! LOL I already use USBs. I have 2 USB sticks of 64G of space. I don't understand when you talk about it being complicated to "manage" it. I just put the entire playlist on both. They're the same playlist. It takes 1 minute to transfer.
Doreen Schurle 20.04.2013	Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50 Good for the Sandisk Extreme, but you really don't need 200 MB/s of speed. 100 MB/s is more than enough. Hell, 15MB/s is fine for playing off CDJs. Means it takes a second to load a track in its entirety. And Rekordbox can still sync a folder to multiple USB sticks.
Gaynell Rydberg 20.04.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 40MB/s is barely scraping over the top of the USB 2.0 spec. The Sandisk Extreme stick gets over 200MB/s read and 100MB/s write. Most people that use USB sticks for DJing will be using Pioneer CDJs and Rekordbox, rather than drag and drop into folders. Otherwise you don't get a waveform or accurate BPM, saved cuepoints etc. Good for the Sandisk Extreme, but you really don't need 200 MB/s of speed. 100 MB/s is more than enough.
Alphonso Deitchman 20.04.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign I get >40MB/sec off that Lexar. USB 3.0. And you don't manage two separate drives, you manage it on your PC then copy the folder over twice. 40MB/s is barely scraping over the top of the USB 2.0 spec. The Sandisk Extreme stick gets over 200MB/s read and 100MB/s write. Most people that use USB sticks for DJing will be using Pioneer CDJs and Rekordbox, rather than drag and drop into folders. Otherwise you don't get a waveform or accurate BPM, saved cuepoints etc.
Gaynell Rydberg 20.04.2013	USB drives are so cheap. If you're paying more than 0.75 cents per GB you're getting ripped off (and this is for USB 3.0).
Doreen Schurle 20.04.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 The "problem" is having to manage 2 separate drives, so nothing has been solved. And I wouldn't touch any 32gb drive that costs
Alphonso Deitchman 20.04.2013	I put quotes around "problem" to sort of indicate it was sort of subjective. Drag and drop is fine for playlists and small collections, but it gets cumbersome when you start building up more tracks onto the same device. Properly arranged libraries like those created by Rekordbox make things much easier to sort through on the CDJ screen. It also lets you easily add tracks on whim rather than having to copy tracks manually to a secondary file structure. Having to keep 2 devices synchronized removes much of that convenience. I use separate SD cards for distinct genres too, so owning duplicates of every SD/USB device would soon get complicated. I often throw a few tracks onto any stick lying around - having to use a counterpart drive every single time just seems awkward. And there's the obvious point that you get double the amount of storage on your media when using link-capable players. Link also lets you instantly see what tracks have been played from a playlist from either player, and it gives you the option of using your entire computer as your library to make things even easier e.g. when mixing at home.
Leota Dolney 20.04.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 The "problem" is having to manage 2 separate drives, so nothing has been solved. And I wouldn't touch any 32gb drive that costs

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