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Are 2 CDJs and 1 DJM worth it?
Posted on: 17.04.2013 by Emelina Paglia
There's this guy that is selling his 2 CDJ 350s and DJM 350 for $1100. Right away I jumped on the opportunity to get those at that price... In my opinion it's a steal. Very good deal!

What do you guys believe? (the condition of the gear is good, everything works and looks great)
Dannie Dimora
20.04.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
The "problem" is having to manage 2 separate drives, so nothing has been solved.

And I wouldn't touch any 32gb drive that costs
Alphonso Deitchman
20.04.2013		The "problem" is having to manage 2 separate drives, so nothing has been solved.

And I wouldn't touch any 32gb drive that costs
Doreen Schurle
20.04.2013		http://www.dabs.com/products/lexar-j...200&origin=pla

Hello problem. Goodbye problem!
Dannie Dimora
20.04.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Just get 2x 32Gb USB sticks for
Doreen Schurle
20.04.2013		Just get 2x 32Gb USB sticks for
Alphonso Deitchman
20.04.2013		It's more the convenience. Putting all your music on one hard drive is much simpler than splitting your tracks across 2 and limiting your mixing options, or having to buy+manage a whole extra drive as a duplicate.
Dannie Dimora
20.04.2013
Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
I wasn't even believeing about that lol. I was more wanting to only have to carry one USB around instead of maintaining two libraries (ignoring backups).
well yeah, you're right. Still, not really a dealbreaker for me. USB's are dirt cheap these days
Gaynell Rydberg
20.04.2013
Originally Posted by Polygon
Well while sync and fader start would be cool, i don't find them really vital for djing.. I mean, before the 2000s no cdj's had link or am i mistaken?
I wasn't even believeing about that lol. I was more wanting to only have to carry one USB around instead of maintaining two libraries (ignoring backups).
Dannie Dimora
20.04.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
Unless Reloop have secretly released a new CD player, I'm not seeing any waveforms of any kind on any of their players?
Or did you mean you'd rather have a Pioneer?
i believe he meant screen :P
Dannie Dimora
20.04.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
I'd rather have a longer dotmatrix waveform than a condensed one like on the Geminis... why they went for portrait orientation rather than landscape is beyond me.
They probably did it for cost effectiveness..
Also, browsing between tracks on a tall color hi-res display is a lot better than on a landscape dot matrix one imo...
Alphonso Deitchman
20.04.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
I'd rather have a longer dotmatrix waveform than a condensed one like on the Geminis... why they went for portrait orientation rather than landscape is beyond me.
Unless Reloop have secretly released a new CD player, I'm not seeing any waveforms of any kind on any of their players?
Or did you mean you'd rather have a Pioneer?

Originally Posted by Polygon
Well while sync and fader start would be cool, i don't find them really vital for djing.. I mean, before the 2000s no cdj's had link or am i mistaken?
Well the Pioneer players before the 2000 are the 800/1000 which don't support USB at all.
Dannie Dimora
20.04.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
The Gemini screen looks more useful than the dot matrix on the Reloop players despite its size. The lack of linking between players is a clear downside, among others.

Edit: The CDJ 850s aren't that much more than the Geminis, and could easily be bought used for less.
Yup, it also displays a pretty nice waveform. Tried them at messe 12, were really really cool players. Easily in the 900 territory. (minus link)
Dannie Dimora
20.04.2013
Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
I wish the Geminis had ethernet link.
Well while sync and fader start would be cool, i don't find them really vital for djing.. I mean, before the 2000s no cdj's had link or am i mistaken?
Doreen Schurle
20.04.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
The Gemini screen looks more useful than the dot matrix on the Reloop players despite its size. The lack of linking between players is a clear downside, among others.

Edit: The CDJ 850s aren't that much more than the Geminis, and could easily be bought used for less.
I'd rather have a longer dotmatrix waveform than a condensed one like on the Geminis... why they went for portrait orientation rather than landscape is beyond me.
Alphonso Deitchman
20.04.2013		The Gemini screen looks more useful than the dot matrix on the Reloop players despite its size. The lack of linking between players is a clear downside, among others.

Edit: The CDJ 850s aren't that much more than the Geminis, and could easily be bought used for less.
Doreen Schurle
20.04.2013		I wish they had a sensibly-sized screen tbh. That's the only downside with them.
Gaynell Rydberg
20.04.2013		I wish the Geminis had ethernet link.
Dannie Dimora
21.04.2013
Originally Posted by robbyluca
I committed! 2 CDJ 850s for $1080... with no mixer though, which is fine, I own a mixer but I can trade it in, sell it and get something I want more.

I'm looking into DJM 400 (cheap price, does the job for at home) or a DJM 350. I'll get a high end mixer when the time is right.
DJM 400 > DJM 350 in my opinion and is cheaper for some reason and easier to find. Am I crazy?

EDIT: When I said "committed," I meant I'm going to call the guy and let him know I will buy them off him. So I don't have them yet lol

It seems like everyone has different opinions on every player...
If i were you i'd get the geminis.
the layout is practically the same as pio's, and the ring LED adds the finishing touch.
it's a really really nice product overall.
Grace Gatica
20.04.2013		DJM 800 is what you want.
Mimi Mahaffee
20.04.2013		the 250/350 sound alot better than the 400 imo.

effects on the 400 is quite meh except for roll and echo which is useful. but i promise you, if your just starting out there is different ways to perfect your mix than having alot of fx at your fingertops, separate channelfilters is more than enough

although i dislike that the 250 uses some lame AC adapter, perhaps acceptable for home use.
Emelina Paglia
20.04.2013		I wasn't aware of that from the 250.
But for the 400 it's $300 used, not that expensive. The 250, someone didn't want to give it to me under $220 (I asked $150 for it).
Alphonso Deitchman
20.04.2013		The 250 has 2 Master Outs just like the 400, and has the advantage of one of them being balanced XLR.

If you need more FX right now rather the 400 seems ok, but it's expensive for a temporary stopgap.
Emelina Paglia
20.04.2013		The things I want in a mixer:

- EQs that kill when it's at its lowest (250, 350, and 400 are like that)
- FX on seperate channels (250 has 2 seperate filters and 400 you can select which channel to use the FX on)
- Recording capability (350 with USB and 400 with an extra master output to hook up to computers, I prefer USB though)

In the end,
250 is out of the question, not enough options with FX and I can't record.
350, the only thing more it has over the 400 is the USB recording option which is pretty neat, but I HATE the fact that the FX goes through both channels.
400 has what I want. It records (not the simplest of ways like the 350, but it works) and I can select which channel to use my FX on.

Here's my dilemma:
1 guy is selling me 2 CDJ 850s for $1080 with no mixer, so I have to get DJM 400 seperately at $300 ($1380 total).
Another guy is selling 2 CDJ 850s with a DJM 350 at $1300. lol
Not a big deal, but I'd rather have 400s though. Should I just go with option 2 and try to sell the DJM 350 and get the 400? LOL Not really a dilemma, whatever!
Alphonso Deitchman
20.04.2013		What are you looking for in a mixer? The DJM 250 lacks a separate FX section, but gives you dedicated channel filters that you won't get in other Pio mixers up until the DJM 850.

It's also pretty cheap - less than half the price of the DJM 350/400.
Emelina Paglia
20.04.2013		I committed! 2 CDJ 850s for $1080... with no mixer though, which is fine, I own a mixer but I can trade it in, sell it and get something I want more.

I'm looking into DJM 400 (cheap price, does the job for at home) or a DJM 350. I'll get a high end mixer when the time is right.
DJM 400 > DJM 350 in my opinion and is cheaper for some reason and easier to find. Am I crazy?

EDIT: When I said "committed," I meant I'm going to call the guy and let him know I will buy them off him. So I don't have them yet lol

It seems like everyone has different opinions on every player...
Alphonso Deitchman
19.04.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
To be fair mate, he's spinning the wheel through multiple rotations there... that's what you'd EXPECT it to do. It certainly doesn't run away like mad the way the other guy was describing. It also may be linked to the tempo range you've got currently selected.
It's clearly a cumulative pitch bend in the video which is not how it's supposed to work. Moving the wheel at constant speed should provide a constant % pitch bend, not make the track progressively slower.
Also pitch bend is (at least on my CDJs) not linked to the tempo range at all.
Doreen Schurle
19.04.2013
Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
You can't even get the RMP-3A in the US :/ Kinda lame. The price point looks very nice.

The Gemini CDJ 700 looks awesome though for the price and specs.
http://www.hollywooddj.com/reloop-rmp-3-alpha.html

Enjoy On sale atm at $499.

EDIT: Discontinued?! What the hell... Gimme a sec.
Gaynell Rydberg
19.04.2013		You can't even get the RMP-3A in the US :/ Kinda lame. The price point looks very nice.

The Gemini CDJ 700 looks awesome though for the price and specs.
Doreen Schurle
19.04.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
Looks like the pitch bend issue is real, 1:36
http://youtu.be/VRkpb8njRt8?t=1m36s

Also the cueing 0:35 seems strange as described in the previous video.
To be fair mate, he's spinning the wheel through multiple rotations there... that's what you'd EXPECT it to do. It certainly doesn't run away like mad the way the other guy was describing. It also may be linked to the tempo range you've got currently selected. I'm gonna have a proper play with them (and the new mixer) in a couple of weeks so I'll report back then.

At 0:35 there's a slight gap at the start of the track; he puts it in stutter mode, jogs forward to a non-silent bit, then re-cues.
Alphonso Deitchman
19.04.2013		Looks like the pitch bend issue is real, 1:36
http://youtu.be/VRkpb8njRt8?t=1m36s

Also the cueing 0:35 seems strange as described in the previous video.
Doreen Schurle
19.04.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
Sorry, was looking at the white RMP. Strike that point.
Ahhhh

Tbh, if he's not planning on using MIDI and just wants to play direct from the units themselves, he could just get the RMP-1s which are RIDICULOUSLY cheap. Exactly the same construction as the more expensive units, just no MIDI support.

EDIT: http://www.decks.co.uk/products/cdpl...A#.UXHzpBxwaUk

A PAIR is less than a single 350, that's just insane.
Alphonso Deitchman
19.04.2013		Sorry, was looking at the white RMP. Strike that point.

Do you have the Reloops to test those two points?
Doreen Schurle
19.04.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
Did Reloop fix the insane pitch bend on the RMP yet?
Shown at 14:36 here:
Code:
http://youtu.be/fIXItQR5uQY?t=14m36s
Edit: He also mentions something strange about the Cue button at 19:49, but doesn't go into much detail on the problem.

The Denon SC2900 is a nicer player that also offers hybrid timecode/MIDI, which neither Reloop or Gemini players have.


The CDJ 350 is the same price as the RMP-3
I've NEVER seen anyone else able to replicate that particular bug tbh... I dunno if he had it stuck in some sort of weird mode, or had a REALLY early firmware version or something, but it works fine now.

What price are you getting for the 350? They're
Alphonso Deitchman
19.04.2013		Did Reloop fix the insane pitch bend on the RMP yet?
Shown at 14:36 here:
Code:
http://youtu.be/fIXItQR5uQY?t=14m36s
Edit: He also mentions something strange about the Cue button at 19:49, but doesn't go into much detail on the problem.

The Denon SC2900 is a nicer player that also offers hybrid timecode/MIDI, which neither Reloop or Gemini players have.

Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Both WAY cheaper than even the 350s
The CDJ 350 is the same price as the RMP-3
Doreen Schurle
19.04.2013		I hate to be "that guy", but...



Or...



Both WAY cheaper than even the 350s, and the RMP-3a especially is MUCH more in the league of the 1000s. Only disadvantage is the lack of Rekordbox compatibility, although there's nothing to stop you still analysing your library for when you DO play on 900s/2000s.
Anissa Perusek
19.04.2013		This poor guy will never know what to buy. USB = 350s. CDs = 1000s. Just live your life, man.
Dione Haimes
19.04.2013
Originally Posted by Klaxsis
Well i got 1000s cheaper than 800s. 1000s have a better club feel hence why there still in clubs, 800s aren't.
the 800s were made to be the bedroom version of the 1000, same as the 900 was the bedroom version of the 2000
Dione Haimes
19.04.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
There's no point owning 1000s though, when 800Mk2s fit their purpose for less.
apart from, waveform, SD card storage, jog wheel tension, better screen, they LOOK a hell of a lot nicer,

id always go with 1kmk3's, 900's or 2k's, id never buy anything else
Grace Gatica
19.04.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
There's no point owning 1000s though, when 800Mk2s fit their purpose for less.
Well i got 1000s cheaper than 800s. 1000s have a better club feel hence why there still in clubs, 800s aren't.
Alphonso Deitchman
19.04.2013		There's no point owning 1000s though, when 800Mk2s fit their purpose for less.

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