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Pioneer XDJ Aero!
Posted on: 09.08.2012 by Joy Rory
This was just released in the Netherlands, check out this new Pioneer controller!!!
http://www.xdj-aero.com

WiFi, USB, Rekordbox... Sounds pretty amazing to me, and a price of only
Eloy Kiepke
09.08.2012
Originally Posted by guiltyblade
I'm not really sure why everyone is getting all up in arms about the wifi? You create an ad hoc network and hook to it. Its not like freaking starbucks wi-fi. How many people have we seen play out with Ipads already using Touch-ocs over an ad-hoc network on huge massive gigs? The technology is there and its proven to be fairly stable. Lemur does the same thing, over wi-fi, sending signals to control music. I mean a ton of major artist use that and trust wi-fi ad hoc networks.
I've honestly been wondering why there HAVEN'T been any well-known cases of wireless controllers being tampered with. it's DEFINITELY possible, and not that difficult. Also, it's said that the music will be STREAMED, not pushed. If there's momentary interference for a control surface, nothing terrible happens. if there's momentary interference of a steam, EVERYTHING stops. No matter what kind of buffer they try to put on it, this is still an issue.

Wifi is a TERRIBLE idea for DJing on a large scale in general, IMO. When you're on stage for thousands of people, on a rider which lets you request whatever you want, not having to plug in a cable or two is NOT worth the inherent risk of failure.

If they were really intent on doing wireless, they should have put a large hard drive in it, and just made it work on a file sync system. It would have accomplished the same goals, for not much more money, and without the horrible risk.
Rosina Steinkuehler
09.08.2012
Originally Posted by guiltyblade
I'm not really sure why everyone is getting all up in arms about the wifi? You create an ad hoc network and hook to it. Its not like freaking starbucks wi-fi. How many people have we seen play out with Ipads already using Touch-ocs over an ad-hoc network on huge massive gigs? The technology is there and its proven to be fairly stable. Lemur does the same thing, over wi-fi, sending signals to control music. I mean a ton of major artist use that and trust wi-fi ad hoc networks.
Same situation - I could run a number of utilities on a ad-hoc network and de-auth the stations and do all kinds of other damage.
Alla Bluemke
09.08.2012
I'm not really sure why everyone is getting all up in arms about the wifi? You create an ad hoc network and hook to it. Its not like freaking starbucks wi-fi. How many people have we seen play out with Ipads already using Touch-ocs over an ad-hoc network on huge massive gigs? The technology is there and its proven to be fairly stable. Lemur does the same thing, over wi-fi, sending signals to control music. I mean a ton of major artist use that and trust wi-fi ad hoc networks.
Rosina Steinkuehler
09.08.2012
Originally Posted by tekki
Just a wifi blocker/scrambler would suffice.
Yeah that as well. Such a scary situation in my head knowing the tools that are out there now.
Random X
09.08.2012
Originally Posted by GeekGod
Doesn't matter. All someone would have to do is break the WEP or WPA2 encryption and then you can start torturing the device remotely since it will have a IP address. Heck you could even play games with station de-auth.

Just a wifi blocker/scrambler would suffice.
Celine Surico
09.08.2012
Wifi use in clubs and noisy stages -- major disaster area.
Ressie Losiewicz
09.08.2012
Originally Posted by GeekGod
I thought it was hilarious when Mark from DJWorx mentioned someone will actually end up making tiesto play Scatman - it could be done if someone wants to put in the time (and granted Tiesto used this unit).
Admitedly, that would be cool
Rosina Steinkuehler
09.08.2012
Understood but some of your are missing the point. Regardless if there is a password if you can get on to the wireless network you can wreak serious havoc. Just look at the tricks that are pulled during defcon and any other major computer security conference.

I thought it was hilarious when Mark from DJWorx mentioned someone will actually end up making tiesto play Scatman - it could be done if someone wants to put in the time (and granted Tiesto used this unit).

Guess my point is use the USB if you are going to play out with this device.
Ressie Losiewicz
09.08.2012
It seems pretty logical that Rekordbox would have some sort of password manager to enable you to access the wireless network so that's what I'm saying.
Rosina Steinkuehler
09.08.2012
Originally Posted by brichi
yup, that too, I am sure though there has to be an "accept device" feature on the controller
Doesn't matter. All someone would have to do is break the WEP or WPA2 encryption and then you can start torturing the device remotely since it will have a IP address. Heck you could even play games with station de-auth.

Alfredo Tooher
09.08.2012
yup, that too, I am sure though there has to be an "accept device" feature on the controller
Rosina Steinkuehler
09.08.2012
Originally Posted by brichi
and you would trust that live at a gig wirelessly? I wouldn't
More importantly I would not trust the people AT the gig in the audience. Only takes one person with half a brain to do some serious damage via wireless connection.
Alfredo Tooher
09.08.2012
Originally Posted by deevey
You don't even need to load your USB stick, you can play directly from your mobile device and view waveforms, load tracks etc from the bigger screen.
and you would trust that live at a gig wirelessly? I wouldn't
Rosina Steinkuehler
09.08.2012
I would be a little scared using this outside the bedroom. The fact that music is streamed (via wireless) to the device and not pushed could lead to disasters.

Can see it now some 14 year old weenie fuzzing your wireless at a live show and deliberately crashing the wireless. Heck I would bet fuzzing the Pioneer itself would lead to a bunch of very nasty bugs. Sorry if this is a bit geeky but I wouldn't trust it one bit when you have an audience.
Alla Bluemke
09.08.2012
I personally like it a lot. I have an S2 and don't like really playing out with it. I have 2000s and prefer playing out with those if possible.

To me the no laptop, no cds thing is awesome. This thing and a USB drive and you are set. If you want to hook up a laptop you, if not you can actually just beat match off a thumb drive. Depending how well the wireless thing works it could go over really well. I mean I'm sure you just upload the track in to the device, and once its stored in the internal memory playback is fine.

To me it would be awesome if it let you wireless create a playlist that is uploaded into the controller, as one track finishes the other uploads so download times over wi-fi are minimal. I personally like it a lot. I was considering a VCI-400, but this takes the cake to me.
Sylvia Greener
09.08.2012
Originally Posted by loverocket
NO LAPTOP REQUIRED at the gig people. That's a gamechanger.
There's some irony in it, isn't it?
Kandra Fagler
09.08.2012
wow if this was priced a bit cheaper (and replaceable crossfaders) we might have a winner!
Eloy Kiepke
09.08.2012
Guys, the marketing idea behind this is multi-faceted.

It's meant as a backup system for guys that use rekordbox on 2000's.
It's also meant for kids who don't know what they're doing, who will buy it for the gimmick.

Personally, I believe the design is terrible, and the wifi idea is just gimicky and stupid, but the idea of an all-in-one standalone system for people that already use rekordbox, is a good one.

That being said... Standalone all-in one's have always looked like the dorkiest gear option in the world to me when they're on stage. WAYYY worse than having a laptop and an all-in-one controller. It literally looks like you're up there using a toy.... I always believe of those silly twin ipod DJ things.

I don't predict this product doing very well, but it is a good idea as a backup system for guys who tour and use 2000's with rekordbox.

Yes, $1000 is slightly overpriced. I'd put this at $800. $700 if it didn't have the stupid wireless gimmick.
Ressie Losiewicz
09.08.2012
I hope they do it in white as well
Erich Vallabhaneni
09.08.2012
definitely and interesting concept, and im gonna watch this tech grow and expand and probably effect the way we all dj, but for the price of it I just can't convince myself when im already working on my second setup. It looks like a more serious Ergo, and it will probably be pretty successful.
Rolanda Clodfelder
10.08.2012
Originally Posted by loverocket
NO LAPTOP REQUIRED at the gig people. That's a gamechanger. Load up the USB stick and go.

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You don't even need to load your USB stick, you can play directly from your mobile device and view waveforms, load tracks etc from the bigger screen.

Yes i'm psyched about the potential if you haven't guessed espessially on whatever pro-range they are working on.
Emely Metz
10.08.2012
^ yes that is why...and i admit i do dread the price & moaned about it being 'gimmicky' before actually reading the specs.
but after understanding this is a standalone media player, my interest starts to build up...
Rolanda Clodfelder
10.08.2012
Originally Posted by dj gullum
wait what ? no one sees the real potencial of this? its a sandalone unit. You are a touring DJ that DJ's on CDJ's DJM's already using recordbox. You put this little unit in your travling bag. siting waiting in a hotel room fire it up put in the USB thump you use at gigs play around.
Yep I did back on page #1 :P
Jerica Salava
10.08.2012
NO LAPTOP REQUIRED at the gig people. That's a gamechanger. Load up the USB stick and go.

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Ashanti Andreacchio
10.08.2012
wait what ? no one sees the real potencial of this? its a sandalone unit. You are a touring DJ that DJ's on CDJ's DJM's already using recordbox. You put this little unit in your travling bag. siting waiting in a hotel room fire it up put in the USB thump you use at gigs play around. you back home hoock up the Aero to you home computer and can controll your Reckordbox withour the mouse set up you next set you want to play. You turn up at a club that has no recordbox compatable equiptment? no prob hook up the Aero stick in the Thump drive and rock away. Ohoo did I say all this is without even using WIFI. now add all the differant case uses when WIFI is used.
Rolanda Clodfelder
10.08.2012
Originally Posted by DJDoubleYou
i believe manny people will still prefer the S4/Vci-400. And i believe Pioneer realizes that the people who really know what they are buying won't spend there money on this, you can see this if you look at the style of the vid. Someone who's looking a serious controller is not interested in skateboarding and that kind of shit, but people who want to be a dj and have no idea what they are buying won't realize it's a trap.
Its not just a controller though - thats the point.

Sure it can be used as one (mentions midi and HID with traktor), but the primary focus is on laptop-less DJ'ing with their Rekordbox software running on mobile devices and creating sets which could then be transferred into a club Environment without any extra prep work.

I imagine whatever new line of pro controllers they are working on will be a step up in quality with the same mobile device workflow which IMHO is seriously fucking awesome.

Essentially with this unit you are getting 2 modernized 350's with a DJM250 + Mobile App device control and no-need for a laptop when gigging.

No i'm not into skateboarding. However I am into streamlining my workflow, which includes ditching my laptop at gigs and being able to work from an iPad for Prepwork, and This seems like a major step in the right direction. I've been pretty vocal about the usage of Mobile devices for just this purpose for a while now. Especially on the Denon thread where I feel they dropped the ball again with keeping the laptop as necessary for ipad control.

No, I may not use wifi at a gig (lets see how it works first), but their is USB as an option as well so its really no biggie, like I said its all going to depend on the buffer where it comes to wi-fi IMHO.

Where's the Trap ?

The newbies will be able to walk into a club and plug in using the exact same system they used at home.

Just like newbies used to be able to walk into a club and use a pair of technics after playing for hours on end with their own Gemini/Kam etc....Doing this with CDJ's was just never cost effective enough IMHO and the workflow varied too much from CDJ to CDJ.
Ressie Losiewicz
10.08.2012
Originally Posted by DJDoubleYou
but people who want to be a dj and have no idea what they are buying won't realize it's a trap.
Well I am a DJ and I'm seriously interested in this.. I've been looking forward to the day when I can ditch the computer and still have all the functionality that is available on my computer on a smaller device (phone/tablet).
Marcelene Bielenda
10.08.2012
Originally Posted by DJDoubleYou
i believe manny people will still prefer the S4/Vci-400. And i believe Pioneer realizes that the people who really know what they are buying won't spend there money on this, you can see this if you look at the style of the vid. Someone who's looking a serious controller is not interested in skateboarding and that kind of shit, but people who want to be a dj and have no idea what they are buying won't realize it's a trap.
You serious? You believe there marketing to skateboarders..... its a stand alone unit. Owns the s4 and vcicause they require a laptop and don't use recordbox
Era Roka
10.08.2012
i believe manny people will still prefer the S4/Vci-400. And i believe Pioneer realizes that the people who really know what they are buying won't spend there money on this, you can see this if you look at the style of the vid. Someone who's looking a serious controller is not interested in skateboarding and that kind of shit, but people who want to be a dj and have no idea what they are buying won't realize it's a trap.
Marcelene Bielenda
09.08.2012
I believe its awesome, cheapest Rekordbox set up for sure, i would get this over the 350 setup, also has filter knobs!!

Filter Knobs = Win!!
Julissa Serrone
09.08.2012
Originally Posted by deevey
I believe this is the way of the future TBH and what better way to beta test the functions than in a non-mission-critical setting of a bedroom or studio.

My gut feeling is the next CDJ update will NOT include cd players and this kind of interface is gonna pave the way.

Sure it may look a small bit Toyish (so do CDJ350's and 400's), but consider for a moment - its a completely standalone device at almost the same price as some of the other pricier midi-only controllers out there (vestax/numark).

It Features (from my understanding) a real mixer, sound card, wifi streaming, media player and the most cost effective rekordbox setup you are gonna get in an extremely compact party size package and thats just touching on the good points!.

Only thing I really dislike is the displays though which look like they got pulled from the Gemini's rejects line.

In saying that even if I were touring and needed something reckordbox compatible to fuck around with in my hotel room I'd snap one up.

Dont forget you don't have to use the wi-fi function and my gut says this is some kinda bridge they are working on to make DJ swap overs seamless - no cables to start plugging in or out, just find wifi, hit button and sync your next track with ipad/phone or whatever.

If the Machinery could handle a full track in a buffer (of higher end units), the reliability issue of wifi would be zero anyhow.
This.

I believe it's a great concept. With a little better waves this thing would be a hit. This + a USB stick and your set. Also like the standard filter knobs and Pioneer DJM post fader effects.

I believe what we are seeing is the shifting technology of pioneer CDJ's.
Nereida Jasnoch
09.08.2012
I doubt that it will have a profound impact on anything.
Emely Metz
09.08.2012
but if suddenly Santa gives one away for free i would not mind such 'toy'...heck the concept of SCS4.DJ really gets my attention, just that this Aero bring it one step higher with all the wifi & mobile apps..

nice to see, good to hold...but i'm still sold on the sight of 2 turntable and a mixer :P
Erich Vallabhaneni
09.08.2012
interesting. I don't believe it looks toy-like, but I bet its gonna have a huge price tag on it. Not really my thing, I have an S4 and thats all I want as I plan on moving away from all in one's soon.
Ressie Losiewicz
09.08.2012
If you had one of those ^ you could have all your tunes on it, mix them, then listen to what you've just done. WINNING!
Emely Metz
09.08.2012
Play both decks from one USB stick.
Recording directly to USB in 16bit .wav.
winning points for me...similar like the stanton scs4.dj thing...
neat concept, i can see myself totting this with a Galaxy Note 2 & a couple of usb drives for a bit of 'fun times'....but the price -_-

and the screen reminds me of my Sony Walkman display 6 years back
Janyce Henningson
09.08.2012
It is not aimed at working DJ's - it is for use in the home (so it says on their site)

Good points:

Seperate mixer so you can plug decks/cdj's in.
Up to 4 wi-fi devices at once.
Play both decks from one USB stick.
Recording directly to USB in 16bit .wav.
Soundcard & midi for Traktor.
Can create own wireless network to connect to phones/tablets.

Not a bad home unit at all.

http://pioneerdj.com/english/product.../xdj-aero.html
Hipolito Scionti
09.08.2012
People saying it looks toyish but i actually believe at a glance it looks more pro than an s2.

I got an S2 and like it but I believe this genuinely "looks" like a better bit of kit. definitely punters would say it looks more pro.

If they'd gone with CDJ2000 style looking jogs that'd have been the icing on the cake.

Controller is not a dirty work.

I use the term to describe an all in one mixer and jog device. A CDJ isn't exactly a controller because it doesn't control all the functions of 2/4 decks and mixer set up.

But these are just semantics
Ressie Losiewicz
09.08.2012
I believe this is calling an end to CDJ's. Realistically with all the functionality of being able to play mp3's from a USB drive or using rekordbox on the existing CDJ's who's bothered about buying or burning CD's to play in a club?

I believe this is going to be the shape of things to come from all major manufacturers, Denon and Numark have adapted pretty well to the change in technology with the integration of iPads into both the engine software the IDJ Pro. Stanton did away with the computer completely with there SCS.4DJ and with this unit from Pioneer you can see that they have taken all the aspects from the Denon, Numark and Stanton and integrated them all into one unit. All they had to do was take the essential parts of a CDJ+Mixer setup, junk the expensive CDJ part, and mount whats left into a single unit with a wifi router and build some software that can run on lots of devices.... love it!!

I don't believe NI or Serato will be affected too much as there will be plenty of people who'll still want to play with the feel of vinyl but be able to play there entire iTunes library.
Sylvia Greener
09.08.2012
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
*standalone media player, not just a "controller."
I mentionned it as a stand-alone mixer (not just a "controller") but fixed it now anyway.


Btw: 500. post !

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