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Pioneer XDJ Aero! Posted on: 09.08.2012 by Joy Rory This was just released in the Netherlands, check out this new Pioneer controller!!! http://www.xdj-aero.com WiFi, USB, Rekordbox... Sounds pretty amazing to me, and a price of only
Kellie Myrum 10.08.2012	999$ and no dedicated control over fx section... Seriously?
Janyce Henningson 10.08.2012	Ah yeah didn't read that - why did they make it 802.11n and then limit it to 2.4GHz, weird.. Microwaves and wifi cameras could be a problem agreed. But they would have to be close by as well for it to be a real problem. The main issue would be all the flourecent lighting and wiring. I am agreeing with you, wifi in the club is a bad idea just because it could drop for whatever reason, including interference, but I believe it's unlikely when the access point and device are side by side.
Nancey Inderlied 10.08.2012	Originally Posted by Nicky H Ok for the many DJ's who take their own CDj2000's and mixer to a gig it could be useful Or take a laptop and controller, or have to deal with the shit gear most smaller clubs have installed, or don't have any kind of rider or expected gear at all, or supply their own gigs. There's a ton of DJs who don't have residencies in upscale clubs, but still get paid to spin. This unit doesn't compete with high end install gear , except maybe in portability. What it does do is make it exponentially easier to travel, gig, and play vs a controller and laptop. Last time I checked, the majority of the market wasn't dominated by CDJs. The club install market maybe, but more controllers are being moved than CDJ-2000s, if for sheer price point alone. Not every person has the $3-5k to drop on an integrated solution, and neither does every venue or company. This unit serves the needs of both of them simultaneously, and could get close to the metaphorical holy grail of an industry standard controller.
Cole Maroto 10.08.2012	Originally Posted by Nicky H Agree somewhat but you are just talking about interference from other devices. You can run it at 5GHz which would help as most phones (which is what you are talking about I guess) run 2.4... And of course it makes a difference how close you are to the AP, its called physical interference - radio waves degrade over distance. the link that the op gave says it only operates on the 2.4 band so i'm not sure where you saw that info about it running on 5ghz (which is currently less prone to interference). and no it doesn't make a difference how close you are to the ap because what i'm talking about has nothing to do with physical interference. a 2.4ghz wifi camera or microwave are not causing physical interference they're causing electromagnetic interference. that interference can be strong enough to cut your connection to an ap even if you are inches away from it. I don't see whay anyone would want to do that - the only advantage I can see is having your playlists on an iPad compared to scrolling through lists on the device via USB. just because you don't see why anyone would do that doesn't mean they won't. i could see why someone would get this and bring it to bar gigs or small clubs and play off usb sticks. the venue may only have turntables or older cdjs that you may not want to use. i still believe using the wifi would be a bit risky, i wouldn't take my chances with it, but there are probably people who would.
Janyce Henningson 10.08.2012	Ok for the many DJ's who take their own CDj2000's and mixer to a gig it could be useful
Nancey Inderlied 10.08.2012	Edited my post slightly, might want to reread.
Janyce Henningson 10.08.2012	Originally Posted by Shishdisma Yes, the only professional gear on the entire market are CDJ-2000s, and M3Ds, and those two units are only sold to clubs. The rest of the high end market, and the rest of the market in general, is only patronized at bedroom DJs. No professional ever uses anything else but the club's gear , and never owns any hardware themselves. I did say they take some hardware, but not CDJ's and a mixer in coffin cases like you said. And yeah most pro's do use the club's equipement. Originally Posted by Shishdisma C'mon, seriously? There's an entire subculture of DJs who gig on their own stuff. Especially when that stuff is portable. It just so happens that their own stuff is typically a DVS with the hardware just being a point of control, or high end hardware in itself. Really, an entire subculture? It's not their own gear if they are using the clubs deck's and mixer with their dvs is it...
Nancey Inderlied 10.08.2012	Originally Posted by Nicky H Not sure what you mean by serious unit. It is aimed at home dj's. I can see an advantage if you take your own gear to a gig, but how many pro dj's do that? All working dj's I know use the gear in the club with maybe the exception of a couple of X1's they take with them. Yes, the only professional gear on the entire market are CDJ-2000s, and M3Ds, and those two units are only sold to clubs. The rest of the high end market, and the rest of the market in general, is only patronized at bedroom DJs. No professional ever uses anything else but the club's gear , and never owns any hardware themselves. C'mon, seriously? There's an entire subculture of DJs who gig on their own stuff. Especially when that stuff is portable. It just so happens that their own stuff is typically a DVS with the hardware just being a point of control, or high end hardware in itself. Not to mention the underground scene and event companies, who can swallow multiple XDJs for the cost of half of a 2000 rig. This unit lowers the barrier to entry significantly, and provides virtually everything you could want out of Pioneer's best. Besides, not every club has a pair of CDJ-2000s kicking around. I slosh mine around with promoters all the time (only when I'm playing), especially with non-club events. Turn up to a club and they've got a beat up CMX, a pair of dented M3Ds, or some beat to shit players, plop this fucker on top of that, and suddenly the whole venue is Rekordbox enabled; something that I can already accomplish, albeit across 3 flight cases, 120lbs of gear, $5500 in capital, and a rework of the booth. This unit slashes that down to something I can sling under my arm, and sit on top of pretty much anything.
Janyce Henningson 10.08.2012	Originally Posted by squidot wifi interference doesn't work that way and it won't matter how far your tablet is to the unit it can still drop connection. the chances of this happening are dependent on the environment and what kind of devices broadcast into the 2.4ghz range. also, if most devices in the area happen to be running on the same channel (since there are only 3 legally usable channels in that range), the chances of interference are greater. Agree somewhat but you are just talking about interference from other devices. You can run it at 5GHz which would help as most phones (which is what you are talking about I guess) run 2.4... And of course it makes a difference how close you are to the AP, its called physical interference - radio waves degrade over distance. Originally Posted by squidot although it's not aimed for use in public gigs, i'm sure there are people who will still use it that way. I don't see whay anyone would want to do that - the only advantage I can see is having your playlists on an iPad compared to scrolling through lists on the device via USB. Originally Posted by Shishdisma This is the second unit serious unit that can take a USB stick and not require multiple flight cases/a coffin. It's an all in one that can be carried under your arm, and not require you to be chained to your laptop. Not sure what you mean by serious unit. It is aimed at home dj's. I can see an advantage if you take your own gear to a gig, but how many pro dj's do that? All working dj's I know use the gear in the club with maybe the exception of a couple of X1's they take with them.
Nancey Inderlied 10.08.2012	Originally Posted by Nicky H And what's the fuss about a usb stick - hasn't this been available for years? This is the second unit serious unit that can take a USB stick and not require multiple flight cases/a coffin. It's an all in one that can be carried under your arm, and not require you to be chained to your laptop.
Alla Bluemke 10.08.2012	Originally Posted by RockingClub Nope. Hawtin and all the guys might be using their ipads to add an extra synth layer or some extra drums to their existing track but that doesn't mean their sound will get totally screwed up by a wifi connection fail. All the rest of the set will keep playing. With the XDJ Aero it's the complete music that is streamed so the whole set substantially is in danger. not true man. unless they have very specific midi maps you could midi map to say the play button and end a set. Literally just press stop everytime.
Cole Maroto 10.08.2012	Originally Posted by Nicky H The wifi should be fine - it creates its own access point - so if your tablet is next to it the enviroment is pretty irrelevant. It is only streaming a metre or something. wifi interference doesn't work that way and it won't matter how far your tablet is to the unit it can still drop connection. the chances of this happening are dependent on the environment and what kind of devices broadcast into the 2.4ghz range. also, if most devices in the area happen to be running on the same channel (since there are only 3 legally usable channels in that range), the chances of interference are greater. although it's not aimed for use in public gigs, i'm sure there are people who will still use it that way.
Asha Kravetz 10.08.2012	Tacky ergo with some displays. Very low end for Pioneer. I'm getting worried.
Janyce Henningson 10.08.2012	The wifi should be fine - it creates its own access point - so if your tablet is next to it the enviroment is pretty irrelevant. It is only streaming a metre or something. It is not aimed at dj's though - read the big white header at Pioneer: New wireless DJ system "XDJ-AERO" for home DJ Djing with tracks in smartphones and tablets via Wi-fi And what's the fuss about a usb stick - hasn't this been available for years?
Jonathan Chiuchiolo 09.08.2012	Originally Posted by Nicadraus The VCI-400... ...wait a year or two, there will be a VCI-500. I'd get wet for a VCI-480
Osvaldo Newhall 09.08.2012	Originally Posted by MYE it looks very toy like ...and which controller doesn't look like a toy? The XDJ Aero just made the S4 look like a LEGO. Originally Posted by Shishdisma I like how you can judge a piece of gear's quality, reliability, and feel, based entirely off of a picture. Do you have some kind of super 3D monitor that let's you touch it? The Ergo is one of the most solid controllers on the market, just because it has rounded edges, doesn't mean it's a "toy." ^^^This. Originally Posted by RockingClub While looking similar to the DDJ Ergo V in most points (a bit toyish in my opinion) the XDJ Aero is tagged with a US$1399/
Alfredo Tooher 09.08.2012	and dont forget newer WiFi mic systems like Line 6's xdv70 which completely kills my laptops wifi when it comes anywhere near it
Cole Maroto 09.08.2012	Originally Posted by MelloState OMG PEOPLE! TURN YOUR PHONES OFF NOW!!!! IT HAS WIFI AND HACKERS ARE OUT TO GET YOU RIGHT NOW!!! I HIGHLY doubt they would be after your dj gear, they want your cellphone with personal info. well, it's not even fully about that really. if this runs on the 2.4ghz band (which i'm assuming it does otherwise iphones wouldn't be able to connect to it) then there are a whole host of things that can interfere with your signal. other wifi access points/routers, microwaves, cordless phones, etc. there is a lot of interference out there on that band so i wouldn't trust using it in a live gig environment at all. i would much rather use the usb stick option.
Osvaldo Newhall 09.08.2012	This is a very cool gear and I believe it will be sold like a hotcake. The price is very reasonable and the features as stand alone, USB, Phono/line input, MIDI capable, etc sure does make it a perect 2 channel controller/media player/mixer. Plus the additional onboard effects are a plus. It will sure make those people who bought the DDJ-T1/S1 and Traktor Kontrol S2/S4 regret if they see this. Good job by the Pioneer guys.
Rolanda Clodfelder 09.08.2012	For anyone in doubt about the solidness about the wireless feature ...from djworx.com "To cater for the almost certain issues of wireless drops, the AERO buffers and streams the track and will make a long loop of the current track until connection is achieved again. It’s clever of Pioneer to do this, because without it I wouldn’t even touch the AERO from a wifi perspective. Obviously, much of this depends on the quality of the streaming devices and how far away they are." The quality is excellent. The AERO is heavy but luggable, everything is solid and the faders feel smooth and rattle-free. Too many people are making “toy like” and “cheap” comments without seeing or touching the unit. "The computer industry changed when Apple ditched the floppy drive, and I see this as Pioneer’s floppy drive moment. As an industry leader, it takes a real player to make the moves and shakes necessary to push things on. " It’s clear that the XDJ-AERO is a multi-talented machine. It’s a MIDI and HID controller, independent player, mixer, wireless network player… but it can’t do CDs. Bravo – it’s about time we stopped believeing about legacy mediums and moved things forward. That might sound harsh for the mobile guys, but CD simply adds to the cost of units. It’s not just the unit price of the actual CD mechanism, but also the extra raw materials to make a deeper unit, and the additional weight for shipping and packaging that being 30mm deeper brings. Airing many of my feelings as well And they got a basic hands on http://djworx.com/world-exclusive-pi...-aero-preview/ This looks even more interesting all of a sudden,
Emely Metz 09.08.2012	i just completed my traditional setup 2 CDJ, 2 TT plus a mixer, and hoping to build back my vinyl collection when this thing showed up. i cant help it but believeing all of the possibilities...it would be nice but i'll wait till the product matures..
Yee Bedilion 09.08.2012	Time for some AERO-Js and I'll be happy. I still like my DJM-900
Latoria Kavulich 09.08.2012	I believe this badboy will be used by cdj users who already have their tunes with rekordbox and just want to muck around at home (with their gold plated pioneer controller)
Leeanna Ayla 09.08.2012	[QUOTE=MYE;515673]I believe it will kill off the s4./QUOTE] I don;t believe so, 2 channel vs 4 channel. Originally Posted by synthet1c I believe the issue with wifi is when you are not connected to a network and you have wifi on it will look for a new network every few minutes taking up valuable resources... If your connected to a network already there is no need to reconnect so you probably wont have the same issues. I'm just believeing out aloud & don't know the facts to support this This is very much the case. Originally Posted by Ash Carr I believe this is calling an end to CDJ's. Realistically with all the functionality of being able to play mp3's from a USB drive or using rekordbox on the existing CDJ's who's bothered about buying or burning CD's to play in a club? While I agree that the CD in CDJ will be a thing of the past, this is not what will do it. Originally Posted by loverocket NO LAPTOP REQUIRED at the gig people. That's a gamechanger. Load up the USB stick and go. > Originally Posted by RockingClub There's some irony in it, isn't it? LOL Originally Posted by GeekGod Doesn't matter. All someone would have to do is break the WEP or WPA2 encryption and then you can start torturing the device remotely since it will have a IP address. Heck you could even play games with station de-auth. Originally Posted by deevey It takes a particular setup (Wireless cards that allow packet injection if I remember right) to crack the network in the first place, plus a reasonably powered laptop (not a phone or tablet) and a fair bit of know how to do this correctly. Seriously do you believe theres gonna be that many white flower Vans parked outside venues with 3 or 4 nerds inside trying to De-Auth and Fuck up a DJ's set ? If you believe there will be - use the USB port instead. Even if a phone or tablet can do it, can it realistically be done in the hour or two the average set is? Originally Posted by verko I believe its an awesome concept, I agree, but will not be buying one.
Marcelene Bielenda 09.08.2012	I believe its an awesome concept, i was going to buy cdj350's/ or 850's just so i could have something at home with Rekordbox, this will save me a load of money and ill still be able to jump on the 900's at the bar with the same usb stick! The wifi will be awesome for at home for waveforms etc!
Jerica Salava 09.08.2012	Pioneer just took a small breakthrough step in the right direction and all you geeks care about is hacking the wifi and ruining Guetta's set. >
Jerica Salava 09.08.2012	Originally Posted by karma So essentially i could buy this and use it with 2 usb sticks and play a set? you can do a set with one USB stick. And if your friends bring a USB stick they can jump in seamlessly. >
Marcelene Bielenda 09.08.2012	99% of people in a crowd wouldn't have a clue what gear your using never mind know your using wifi.
Monique Swanier 09.08.2012	OMG PEOPLE! TURN YOUR PHONES OFF NOW!!!! IT HAS WIFI AND HACKERS ARE OUT TO GET YOU RIGHT NOW!!! I HIGHLY doubt they would be after your dj gear, they want your cellphone with personal info.
Sylvia Greener 09.08.2012	Originally Posted by guiltyblade The same can be said about these guys like hawtin and whatever using ipads to sync up and play, if the ad hoc get screwed with someone could literally do anything and control the set. Nope. Hawtin and all the guys might be using their ipads to add an extra synth layer or some extra drums to their existing track but that doesn't mean their sound will get totally screwed up by a wifi connection fail. All the rest of the set will keep playing. With the XDJ Aero it's the complete music that is streamed so the whole set substantially is in danger.
Meg Reinoehl 09.08.2012	DJs should always have a fail-safe or backup plan, in general, for their setups. If the wi-fi blows out or gets compromised, switching to a wired setup should be ready to go. At least that's what I would do.
Alla Bluemke 09.08.2012	Originally Posted by Saurus I've honestly been wondering why there HAVEN'T been any well-known cases of wireless controllers being tampered with. it's DEFINITELY possible, and not that difficult. Also, it's said that the music will be STREAMED, not pushed. If there's momentary interference for a control surface, nothing terrible happens. if there's momentary interference of a steam, EVERYTHING stops. No matter what kind of buffer they try to put on it, this is still an issue. Wifi is a TERRIBLE idea for DJing on a large scale in general, IMO. When you're on stage for thousands of people, on a rider which lets you request whatever you want, not having to plug in a cable or two is NOT worth the inherent risk of failure. If they were really intent on doing wireless, they should have put a large hard drive in it, and just made it work on a file sync system. It would have accomplished the same goals, for not much more money, and without the horrible risk. The same can be said about these guys like hawtin and whatever using ipads to sync up and play, if the ad hoc get screwed with someone could literally do anything and control the set. I'm not saying wifi is a great idea, but it isn't terrible either. Its been being used for sometime now, it just so happens someone wants to stream that music now too.
Rolanda Clodfelder 09.08.2012	And I'm still laughing at people who're calling a media free CDJ: the cue points saved on the very first CDJ-1000 still loads on a brand new CDJ-2000, and the entire cue/loop system works fundamentally the same. Why would they seriously drop the media on their flagship player. It would take a company with the clout in the industry like Pioneer for CD's to be dropped from players, but mark my words I believe that day is coming. I only know a handful of DJ's who use the CD drive for anything more than either timecode or USB/MP3 anyhow - if they had the option of leaving their laptop off the stage i believe they would relish it. Completely false, this could be done with a phone just as easily as a laptop. Please enlighten me ... Why not just plug in a goddamn cable? Exaclty the option is there, for fucking around in a hotel room, on the throne, or in the studio though less wires is better IMHO.
Eloy Kiepke 09.08.2012	Originally Posted by deevey Exactly - if you aren't comfortable you have the option of plugging into usb instead It takes a particular setup (Wireless cards that allow packet injection if I remember right) to crack the network in the first place, plus a reasonably powered laptop (not a phone or tablet) and a fair bit of know how to do this correctly. Seriously do you believe theres gonna be that many white flower Vans parked outside venues with 3 or 4 nerds inside trying to De-Auth and Fuck up a DJ's set ? If you believe there will be - use the USB port instead. Completely false, this could be done with a phone just as easily as a laptop. And we were mostly talking about large events... Top-tier stuff. Wireless would be fine for low-end stuff, but there is still that risk of someone specifically just wanting to fuck with you.... Why not just plug in a goddamn cable? This supports my summation that the wireless is a gimmick for newbies, and the rest of it is intended as a backup system for CDJ2000 rekordbox guys, who aren't at a point yet where all of their events will have CDJs 2000's set up for them.
Nancey Inderlied 09.08.2012	Yeah, as a CDJ user, it's the USB slot that's really interesting. The wireless is a cool proof of concept, but not an instant professional standard. I'm still not seeing quite how this could be implemented in a high end setup yet... The high end players and mixers already network, is wireless really that much of an improvement? And I'm still laughing at people who're calling a media free CDJ: the cue points saved on the very first CDJ-1000 still loads on a brand new CDJ-2000, and the entire cue/loop system works fundamentally the same. Why would they seriously drop the media on their flagship player.
Rolanda Clodfelder 09.08.2012	Originally Posted by verko For one knowone would use this at a big event its meant for personal use, if you use it out, use usb. Not a big deal, the wi-fi is for certain situations. Exactly - if you aren't comfortable you have the option of plugging into usb instead Secondly most clubs are full of drunk partiers, not hacking nerds with a vendetta to ruin the party lol. If they do, switch to usb problem solved. It takes a particular setup (Wireless cards that allow packet injection if I remember right) to crack the network in the first place, plus a reasonably powered laptop (not a phone or tablet) and a fair bit of know how to do this correctly. Seriously do you believe theres gonna be that many white flower Vans parked outside venues with 3 or 4 nerds inside trying to De-Auth and Fuck up a DJ's set ? If you believe there will be - use the USB port instead.
Marcelene Bielenda 09.08.2012	For one knowone would use this at a big event its meant for personal use, if you use it out, use usb. Not a big deal, the wi-fi is for certain situations. Secondly most clubs are full of drunk partiers, not hacking nerds with a vendetta to ruin the party lol. If they do, switch to usb problem solved.
Alfredo Tooher 09.08.2012	Originally Posted by guiltyblade I'm not really sure why everyone is getting all up in arms about the wifi? You create an ad hoc network and hook to it. Its not like freaking starbucks wi-fi. How many people have we seen play out with Ipads already using Touch-ocs over an ad-hoc network on huge massive gigs? The technology is there and its proven to be fairly stable. Lemur does the same thing, over wi-fi, sending signals to control music. I mean a ton of major artist use that and trust wi-fi ad hoc networks. but you are using touch midi to control lets say serato, if you do lose the network for a quick second it doesnt effect the audio, just the control, serato will still play fine if the wireless goes down, with the AERO controller, the audio is streaming wirelessly so if the wireless does blip for a second or 2, you lose the audio, not a good idea
Ressie Losiewicz 09.08.2012	Fuck it, I'd still use it.
Rosina Steinkuehler 09.08.2012	Originally Posted by Saurus I've honestly been wondering why there HAVEN'T been any well-known cases of wireless controllers being tampered with. it's DEFINITELY possible, and not that difficult. Also, it's said that the music will be STREAMED, not pushed. If there's momentary interference for a control surface, nothing terrible happens. if there's momentary interference of a steam, EVERYTHING stops, no matter what kind of buffer they put on it, this is still an issue. Wifi is a TERRIBLE idea for DJing on a large scale in general, IMO. When you're on stage for thousands of people, on a rider which lets you request whatever you want, not having to plug in a cable or two is NOT worth the inherent risk of failure. Yep, very well said and relays my concerns with Wifi usage during live DJ sets. It would be fine for bedroom DJs.

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