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Pioneer XDJ Aero! Posted on: 09.08.2012 by Joy Rory This was just released in the Netherlands, check out this new Pioneer controller!!! http://www.xdj-aero.com WiFi, USB, Rekordbox... Sounds pretty amazing to me, and a price of only
Rolanda Clodfelder 24.08.2012	I just want to be able to flick through artwork on an ipad like i used to flick through vinyl. Can rekordbox do that? You mean like coverflow for itunes ? ... yes and no .. Yes you can scroll through the tracklist with Artwork No you cant flick a recordcrate like itunes coverflow I was hoping for that too :P
Loura Ulam 24.08.2012	Looks like you will be able to launch your own samples using the four banks which is great. It seems like that's what the next big update will be on rekordbox, the ability to take samples out of your tracks. That means samples will be able to be used on the rmx, aero and maybe the new line of cdjs?
Rochel Gleese 24.08.2012	I don't want to stream it but isn't one of the functions to be able to set cue and loop points and then upload them back to your tracks on your computer etc.? I don't actually have CdJs so it's a bit cheeky but I'd definitely want it as a feature for the new CDJs if they're able to sync wirelessly. I don't do MP3s
Amira Gotcher 24.08.2012	Originally Posted by ekwipt Can't load AIFF and WAV files on the iOS app, a bit of FAIL from Pioneer right there. Is it because of the non-tagging ability of WAV files, as you can Tag in AIFF but maybe Pioneer have not coded it in yet. Can CDJ2000 work with taggable AIFF files?? not really, it's more of a limit of the wireless bandwidth. streaming an 18mb 320 mp3 vs at 70mb wav is much safer/quicker over wireless. you can play wav/aiff on it if you want via a USB stick or a wired connection to your laptop/rekordbox, just like the cdjs... the CDJ2000 fully works with taggable AIFFs, so does rekordbox....
Hipolito Scionti 22.08.2012	I just want to be able to flick through artwork on an ipad like i used to flick through vinyl. Can rekordbox do that?
Mimi Mahaffee 22.08.2012	Originally Posted by squidot well, it's not even fully about that really. if this runs on the 2.4ghz band (which i'm assuming it does otherwise iphones wouldn't be able to connect to it) then there are a whole host of things that can interfere with your signal. other wifi access points/routers, microwaves, cordless phones, etc. there is a lot of interference out there on that band so i wouldn't trust using it in a live gig environment at all. i would much rather use the usb stick option. yeah, the usb sticks that i already managed in rekordbox will be perfect for this, have the ipad for searching tracks and waveforms
Shonda Soulier 22.08.2012	And it's a mixer...
Kristin Tesfamichael 22.08.2012	honestly the more I hear about this, the more excited I get. I literally had 0 interest the evening it got leaked, but I'm really liking the direction pio is going with this. believe about it like this. Up until now most people who buy controllers are new DJs looking to get a "feel" for what a typical club setup would be like (pioneer cdjs and djm type stuff you know). ok so now you end up with an S4 or NS6 or VCI 400 and you have an idea of how a cdj and a club mixer work, but you still have zero or very little experience with the industry standard. there is no way your just going to jump onto a pair of cdj 2000s and a djm 900 and know exactly what your doing. sure you will have an idea, but it will still be something new that you have to get used to. what makes this device so damn amazing isn't the wireless gimmick that everyone has been talking about (yeah thats cool too), but the fact that this gives everyone access to the "pioneer workflow" without having to pay an arm and a leg. you have record box, through HID or USB drive (just like the big boy cds) you have color and beat effects (just like the big boy djms). yeah it's slightly limited, but it gets the job done.
Rochel Gleese 21.08.2012	Can't load AIFF and WAV files on the iOS app, a bit of FAIL from Pioneer right there. Is it because of the non-tagging ability of WAV files, as you can Tag in AIFF but maybe Pioneer have not coded it in yet. Can CDJ2000 work with taggable AIFF files??
Hipolito Scionti 21.08.2012	That video was pretty heavy. I mean, people hate on pioneer cause they made some bad sounding, but popular mixers many moons ago ago (djm 600 etc) and because they charge a premium for their gear. But this is genuine inovation right here from a company that truly tries to understand, as well as shape what djs want and need. I mean post fader fx and proper built in mixer. Thats not mucking about + I fucking hate wires
Alla Bluemke 21.08.2012	you would want to prop it up to see you playlist, tracks. As you scroll the phone/tablet scrolls as well. THe screen are bigger on phones and tablets so its easier to browse tracks.
Shonda Soulier 21.08.2012	Originally Posted by deevey Why bother with the stand, I believe you can use the tablet interface to directly load tracks which IMHO is the beauty of it, much nicer than scrolling with a knob to browse your collection. I believe he wants to rest it on a stand instead of having to lay it down next to the controller. I believe you'd want a stand too.
Rolanda Clodfelder 21.08.2012	Originally Posted by guiltyblade Best 250 I spent on tablet. Perfect size. Now that it has this its even of more value to me. Now I want to get an aero, get a little stand for it, and be set with all gigs lol. Why bother with the stand, I believe you can use the tablet interface to directly load tracks which IMHO is the beauty of it, much nicer than scrolling with a knob to browse your collection.
Alla Bluemke 21.08.2012	Best 250 I spent on tablet. Perfect size. Now that it has this its even of more value to me. Now I want to get an aero, get a little stand for it, and be set with all gigs lol.
Loura Ulam 21.08.2012	I got the nexus 7 tablet a couple of weeks ago and its great.
Alla Bluemke 21.08.2012	Originally Posted by ToOntown It would be great if you can use your mobile device to download a track, analyze it in Rekordbox, and use it in a set moments later. iOS users would be limited to iTunes Store, but Android users can use a variety of download sources I'm told. That way you can still take requests and not have to worry about having a laptop nearby. Thats a really good point actually. Best thing is you can pick up a cheap android tablet for like 200 like the nexus 7, and just make it a hub for music for the Aero. Nice big screen and ability to buy tracks if need be.
Loura Ulam 21.08.2012	My current set up is cdj 1000s mk3, xone 22, efx 500. The only effects i use are the filters on the xone and the delay, echo on the efx. I have access to both the filter and the echo on the aero with the added bonus of the echo being quantized. I record my mixes using audacity on my laptop and this would be eliminated as you can record straight to the usb drive. For my next buy i was believeing of used cdj2000s mainly for the quantized loop feature but i would need to spend at least another
Shonda Soulier 21.08.2012	It would be great if you can use your mobile device to download a track, analyze it in Rekordbox, and use it in a set moments later. iOS users would be limited to iTunes Store, but Android users can use a variety of download sources I'm told. That way you can still take requests and not have to worry about having a laptop nearby.
Shonda Soulier 21.08.2012	This makes me believe about what their next modular devices will look like. I'm picturing one of those decks, slightly wider, same thickness, color LCD touchscreen, CDJ-2000 style jog (maybe a bit smaller).
Alla Bluemke 21.08.2012	I'm pretty convinced I'm also going to want one. Selling my S2. Getting this thing to play out at places that don't have CDJs I like. I mean. I'm looking at this thing to replace my CDJs as a whole almost. But thats just bananas lol.
Ashanti Andreacchio 21.08.2012	been a bit 2 sided about the XDJ but now I'm convinced I want one just need to sell my mother first
Rolanda Clodfelder 21.08.2012	Best feature showcase for this unit i've seen yet.. The buffer on it is massive, gave him at least 2mins + of playtime and should calm down anyone who has a "wireless is not reliable" arguement. Looks super responsive as well. Definitely see this feature being implemented into a new range of pro units in the near future. I dont believe they would bring out rekordbox mobile just for a consumer device alone. As the man says, this brings proper Rekordbox preperation into the affordability of the bedroom without needing to shell out for 350's or higher. Not often I say this about Pioneer, but WAY TO GO GUYS !! I haven't seen such good innovation from you since the CDJ500
Loura Ulam 21.08.2012	I can see me selling my cdj1000s for this. The only downside is that i can't see me using the sample sounds that are included but maybe in the future you will be able to add your own?
Alfredo Tooher 14.08.2012	yup, page 22 of the manual Loading tracks on USB devices connected to this unit from mobile devices by browsing via wireless LAN 1 Connect the mobile device by wireless LAN. 2 Launch rekordbox on the mobile device and establish the link. 3 Connect the USB device to this unit’s USB device insertion slot. 4 Operate rekordbox on the mobile device to select the track. 5 Operate rekordbox on the mobile device to select the deck on which the track is to be loaded, then tap. Track loading starts. The jog dial indicator on the deck on which the track is being loaded flashes. Once playback is possible, the jog dial indicator stops flashing, remain- ing lit, the track name is displayed on the main unit display and playback starts (by factory default).
Ressie Losiewicz 14.08.2012	Originally Posted by brichi usb drive plugged into Aero for direct connect of music (I dont trust music streaming wirelessly since all I have to do is plug in a simple usb drive to avoid the chances of a screw up) then connect my iPad wirelessly so I can use the RB app to browse, search and load the music from the usb drive to the appropriate deck, Even if you lose wireless, all you lose is a display, you can still control and use everything right on the Aero until wireless is back up and running I did not know that... That's bad ass!!
Alfredo Tooher 14.08.2012	Originally Posted by Ash Carr What would your AERO setup be? usb drive plugged into Aero for direct connect of music (I dont trust music streaming wirelessly since all I have to do is plug in a simple usb drive to avoid the chances of a screw up) then connect my iPad wirelessly so I can use the RB app to browse, search and load the music from the usb drive to the appropriate deck, Even if you lose wireless, all you lose is a display, you can still control and use everything right on the Aero until wireless is back up and running
Ressie Losiewicz 14.08.2012	Seriously considering getting an AERO now along with a set of 1200's and a Nexus 7. What would your AERO setup be?
Alla Bluemke 12.08.2012	It has jog effects I believe.
Jonathan Chiuchiolo 12.08.2012	It enters a loop so the music doesn't cut out, haven't read how long the loop lasts or at what point it starts streaming again... The only way I believe this technology would be good is if you can transmit the HID or midi to software. The way it has been promoted is not very well suited to people who don't want to give up the power of a laptop for the portability of a tablet.
Ressie Losiewicz 12.08.2012	I've just had a thought.... what happens if you are in the middle of a set and your mate is in the crowd and ring's you on the device your running rekordbox
Nancey Inderlied 11.08.2012	Originally Posted by ksandvik Hmm, you miss on a lightweight MacBook Air and a Twitch + Traktor, more flexibility than Aero. Heck, add Ableton Live to the laptop as well. And a $2000 piece of consumer electronics perched in an environment clearly not supportive of sensitive materials. Not to mention the complete death of your stage presence from gluing yourself to your laptop the entire time.
Celine Surico 11.08.2012	Originally Posted by xtianw im trying to figure out how to save for one of these for xmas. all new toys have been cancelled. i need this. dont have a laptop anymore. this is perfect. recordbox on my desktop for managing. if i need to play out, i bring the aero. i fucking need this new laptop + controller would cost me more. plus, i dont have to consider any apple products =p my nokia will have to go though. htc here i come! Hmm, you miss on a lightweight MacBook Air and a Twitch + Traktor, more flexibility than Aero. Heck, add Ableton Live to the laptop as well.
Candace Carmouche 11.08.2012	im trying to figure out how to save for one of these for xmas. all new toys have been cancelled. i need this. dont have a laptop anymore. this is perfect. recordbox on my desktop for managing. if i need to play out, i bring the aero. i fucking need this new laptop + controller would cost me more. plus, i dont have to consider any apple products =p my nokia will have to go though. htc here i come!
Rolanda Clodfelder 10.08.2012	Originally Posted by loverocket With one USB port it must have a proper buffer right? How else would you switch seamlessly to another DJ and/or USB stick ? From reading pioneers site it specifially mentions player to player, kinda making a kind of definition that they are quite independent from each other. I don't see whay anyone would want to do that - the only advantage I can see is having your playlists on an iPad compared to scrolling through lists on the device via USB. This is the biggest plus point IMHO, Proper Waveforms/Cues etc.. on a nice big tablet display along with playlist management and no laptop in sight. Come off it - carrying a laptop extra is hardly a big deal. These all-in-one controllers do sell lots, but you only have to read a few pages on here to see who is buying them. I've been looking for that opportunity to ditch the laptop .. carrying it is no big deal, however I'd prefer to bring along a Tablet and not need to connect ANYTHING and just start spinning. When I go out I really don't want to start babysitting my $1200 laptop with all my other work on it before or after I play. Especially if my $200 tablet will do the same job - at least with vinyl there wasn't much chance it would be pinched from the booth. Just for the record I've never had wireless dropoffs that I know of in a pretty packed DJ box I worked in for a long time before and that was for streaming video over wifi along with multiple PC's in the booth, alot of DMX cabling, LED lighting around the DJ box, multiple dimmer racks and 2 x 2.4ghz video sender units sending to a switch matrix in a control room..... We were using 801.11g btw at that time You're only going to be streaming at a pretty slow speed anyhow at under 10 megs per min even for the highest quality mp3's if both decks are in use continually. The AP Appx 10 meters away (2004/5) - Once channels for wifi were checked for overlaps beforehand, and there was multiple AP's being used in the building. Remember this is only their Prosumer incarnation of the technology and I already see it being a game changer - perhaps they will implement 5ghz in pro models which I have no doubt will enter the arena soon enough.
Jerica Salava 10.08.2012	With one USB port it must have a proper buffer right? How else would you switch seamlessly to another DJ and/or USB stick ? >
Jerica Salava 10.08.2012	my friend is about to open a small lounge on a small island. He wants to have guest DJ's playing here and there. He doesn't have $5K to spend on a Pioneer booth install. This is the perfect solution. You love CDJ's ? Bring your USB Rekordbox stick. DONE. If you are too good to DJ on the AERO then go fuck yourself. The AERO is better than NO CDJ's at all. >
Jerica Salava 10.08.2012	Originally Posted by Shishdisma Yes, the only professional gear on the entire market are CDJ-2000s, and M3Ds, and those two units are only sold to clubs. The rest of the high end market, and the rest of the market in general, is only patronized at bedroom DJs. No professional ever uses anything else but the club's gear , and never owns any hardware themselves. C'mon, seriously? There's an entire subculture of DJs who gig on their own stuff. Especially when that stuff is portable. It just so happens that their own stuff is typically a DVS with the hardware just being a point of control, or high end hardware in itself. Not to mention the underground scene and event companies, who can swallow multiple XDJs for the cost of half of a 2000 rig. This unit lowers the barrier to entry significantly, and provides virtually everything you could want out of Pioneer's best. Besides, not every club has a pair of CDJ-2000s kicking around. I slosh mine around with promoters all the time (only when I'm playing), especially with non-club events. Turn up to a club and they've got a beat up CMX, a pair of dented M3Ds, or some beat to shit players, plop this fucker on top of that, and suddenly the whole venue is Rekordbox enabled; something that I can already accomplish, albeit across 3 flight cases, 120lbs of gear, $5500 in capital, and a rework of the booth. This unit slashes that down to something I can sling under my arm, and sit on top of pretty much anything. yes. yes. yes. +3 Olympic Gold. >
Janyce Henningson 10.08.2012	Yep I know a bit from uni about it but don't claim to be an expert, but we both agree it's a bad idea. Nice info, learnt something new there.
Cole Maroto 10.08.2012	Originally Posted by Nicky H Ah yeah didn't read that - why did they make it 802.11n and then limit it to 2.4GHz, weird.. Microwaves and wifi cameras could be a problem agreed. But they would have to be close by as well for it to be a real problem. The main issue would be all the flourecent lighting and wiring. I am agreeing with you, wifi in the club is a bad idea just because it could drop for whatever reason, including interference, but I believe it's unlikely when the access point and device are side by side. 5ghz isn't used that frequently yet for consumer level products, at least not in the states. it's getting there though. i don't see much fluorescent lighting in the bars and smaller clubs i go to (which is where someone is more likely to use this). i would be more worried about wifi cameras as that would be pretty common in that type of environment and there would probably be quite a few of them spread across the property for security reasons (one of which would likely be right on the dj booth). they don't have to be that close to cause interference as signals can reach pretty far. even at 20+ feet away strong devices like that could cause issues. you may not get complete packet loss when it's at a further distance, but when you are dealing with streaming audio, losing 10-20% would be killing your set. hell, i've seen access points spit a wifi signal hundreds of feet outside from in a building. when this type of interference occurs the distance to the ap is irrelevant since it killing your wifi signal at the source. trust me, i have to deal with this stuff somewhat frequently and you will definitely lose connection even if your device is right next to the ap.
Janyce Henningson 10.08.2012	Originally Posted by Shishdisma Or take a laptop and controller, or have to deal with the shit gear most smaller clubs have installed, or don't have any kind of rider or expected gear at all, or supply their own gigs. There's a ton of DJs who don't have residencies in upscale clubs, but still get paid to spin. Yeah like I said if you lug your decks to your gigs it could be useful. But then what's the point of having that gear? Originally Posted by Shishdisma What it does do is make it exponentially easier to travel, gig, and play vs a controller and laptop. Last time I checked, the majority of the market wasn't dominated by CDJs. The club install market maybe, but more controllers are being moved than CDJ-2000s, if for sheer price point alone. Come off it - carrying a laptop extra is hardly a big deal. These all-in-one controllers do sell lots, but you only have to read a few pages on here to see who is buying them.

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