DJM-T1 or Z2?
DJM-T1 or Z2? | |
| Stanley Peckman 02.12.2012 | Thread resurrection; Does this change anyones opinion? http://djworx.com/pioneer-djm-t1-coming-out-fighting/ I'm still leaning towards Z2, but not ready to commit until I've settled the DJM v Z2 debate with myself...... |
| Kanesha Bredin 15.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by GI Trackt
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| Leeanna Ayla 15.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by lenodd
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| Toya Myall 13.11.2012 | hello - first post here - lurked a bit over the years though... My comparison of the two: Post Fx - z2 (yes) , DJM (no) Flux mode - z2 (yes), DJM (no) Transport controls - z2 (no), DJM (yes) FX controls - z2 (2 - 1 filter, 1 macro), DJM (3 pots, LFOs) Mic i/p - z2 (rear), DJM (front) USB hub - z2 (yes), DJM (no) Channel switches - z2 (big), DJM (bit fiddly) Deck C/D vol control? yes to both Internal vs external? as far as i can tell, DJM is external only Version of Traktor? I have no clue. Price isnt an influencing factor as there is only |
| Evelynn Pennycook 08.11.2012 | I owned the T1, liked it but never loved it. One of my biggest issues, though small was that it did not have a dedicated filter knob. Additionally the sound quality was not as good as my S4. which I owned at the same time. I looked it up and the sampling rate of the T1 is 48kHz compared to S4's 96kHz. NI Z2 sound card is much better than that of the T1. Other specs as follows: - Frequency: 20 Hz to 20 kHz - Distortion: Less than 0.004% - Headroom: 19 dB I had the mixer about 6 months but ended up using my s4 at clubs because of the portability and work flow at the time. Probably the best bang for your buck before the z2 came out. |
| Johnsie Kingrea 27.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by djAB3
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| Marquetta Sarnie 24.10.2012 | Can you run 4 decks with T1? |
| Jason Mcewing 20.10.2012 | it's actually rubberized metal. |
| Devin Raffield 20.10.2012 | djm-t1 all day the z2 is pretty but thats about it. the djm-t1 has 3 effects knobs to control group effects as the z2 only has one. also the play pause "nudge" buttons are on the t1. the fader on the t1 is good too. for the people saying it breaks i have a fix |
| Bertie Metro 18.10.2012 | I don't want to sound like an ass, but yeah of course it won't work with external mode... The only way to make it work in external mode is thru a physical send/return connection between your soundcard and your mixer, and then selecting an fx slot in traktor to be in "send" mode. But when doing that you need to have a mixer that can itself send its audio post fader on the fx loop. If you take the example of the denon dn x 1600 in external mode, the fx loop is post fader, but i dont believe it can feed the fx send/return to the integrated soundcard. So unless you map something on the dnx1600 to "cut" the sound in traktor, then any traktor fx not on the physical send/return will be pre fader. If you are using the dnx1600 in internal mode as a midi controller, then any fx you choose to be postfader in traktor will be fed postfader in the main output. |
| Johnsie Kingrea 18.10.2012 | By the sounds of this message from Keir over on the NI community
s it doesn't sound like we'll be getting post fader fx in external mode, which pretty much makes any Traktor certified mixer inferior to the Z2. Further to my last email, I need to clarify: It will only work in internal mixing mode fully. In external mode only the midi controls have effect. I hope that clears things up for you. Cheers, Keir. Keir @ NI wrote: Hey, If you use the USB connection to Traktor you should be fine. I had to ask the Traktor guys and have been told things are a little different if you hook up a mixer just using audio connections. It's complicated but the effects won't fade out when pulling down the fader, but when you use a filter controller you will hear fade out. I hope that helps. Best wishes, Keir. dej47 wrote: Hey Keir can you confirm whether or not the new post fader fx will work in external mode? I've got the DJM T1 and have been waiting for post fader fx. |
| Bertie Metro 18.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by Rukks
And if you are using vinyl or cd, then yeah there is less delay if it doesn't have to go thru traktor, but then the t1 and the z2 are the same on that point, and both lack physical send/return. I might add that it might be possible ( let's see when the z2 is out ) to instead of using the direct connection for vinyl/cd, have then as audio thru in deck A and B in traktor and thus, if your computer is connected, be able to use the fx postfader. Doable with a minimum of mapping. And i would have thought that you could do the same with the t1, be able to use it both as internal or external mixer. And when in internal, have it only do midi, and have the led meters and everything driven by traktor. |
| Johnsie Kingrea 17.10.2012 | The really funny thing about the T1 is that they could have beat the Z2 to some features, if all they did was include a send/return loop they could have just used Traktor's send/return outputs and had post fader fx's when they first released the mixer. But they didn't....bunch of bums |
| Osvaldo Newhall 17.10.2012 | I would go for the T1. |
| Cassidy Galindez 17.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by GI Trackt
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| Johnetta Olewine 17.10.2012 | Post fader effects only work with internal mixing on the Z2? |
| Lang Abriel 17.10.2012 | You can look at post fader effects as a huge advantage of the z2 but you can also look at the fact that you need internal mixing to have post fader effects as a huge downfall. There will be a delay with the internal crossfader compared to the external of the djm t1...it may not be huge but for me with a windows computer, I see that number of signals being sent as just another way to make traktor crash on windows. You could just always leave decks playing and not need a start/pause button....u can just cue using the hotcues. I see it highly unnecessary to buy another controller just to have a play button. |
| Johnsie Kingrea 17.10.2012 | I can confirm as a T1 users that I'm certain post fade fx won't be possible with it. Since you need to use the DJM T1 in external mode it won't be available. And even if you use internal mode and map the Eq and faders the DJM T1s Eqs will still working so in this sense you'd be adding double the EQ, the T1's and the internal traktor eq. NI really shot the T1 in doing this. I'm now looking to move from the T1 to Z2 |
| Barton Rigazio 17.10.2012 | Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the T1 has full transport control but the Z2 does not. This means the T1 can essentially be used as a sole controller for traktor but the Z2 would still need another controller for play/pause etc....right? |
| Arletha Shupert 17.10.2012 | With the new price drop I'm leaning toward the T1 over the z2. In my opinion it doesn't seem like the Z2 brings in anything new. While the initial mapping is different, the T1 can be set to do everything the Z2 does and more. Besides the sample buttons that can change color, USB inputs, and a shiny faceplate, is there really any different? |
| Lang Abriel 17.10.2012 | oh my bad, you can set certain decks to internal move which is controlled via midi. I haven't used serato but i would image the sampler player is serato is internally routed. Decks C&D with the djm-t1 would most likely be the remix decks in which case a volume knob would replace a fader. The loop knob has a secondary function using shift that can control the volume of the deck or the volume of each individual sample. There is a vido demonstrating what i am talking about. If you wanted full eq over decks C&D then you could control the internal eq using midi on the djm-t1. (when using internal on a particular deck there is no need for an audio input because it is not using timecode or HID). You could map the grey knobs on the djm-t1 to any midi controls you wanted so it could be a 3 band eq with gain if you wanted. |
| Arletha Shupert 17.10.2012 | I'm having difficulty following as I don't know Traktor yet. If you go that route, how is it possible to control decks C and D's audio? Would you take the two out lines from C and D of an audio 10 and bridge them into the aux input on the 909? I'm sure there is a way that makes more sense that I don't understand. |
| Lang Abriel 17.10.2012 | The default mapping for the djm t1 sets the loop knob to have a shift function to control levels for C&D. NI kind of jacked the idea from them haha. I'm believeing of going the 909 route with an x1. with macro effects I can remap the x1 to have 2 effects knobs, 2 filters, and volume control for decks C&D all on the top 8 knobs. then just have the shift layer use the sample deck mapping. I don't need more than 8 samples at a time. |
| Arletha Shupert 17.10.2012 | I'm a long time 909 and SSL user and am looking to switch it up and go the Traktor route. The 2+2 aspect of the Z2 looks awesome, but I feel as though I would miss the feeling of my 909. Is it possible to reassign the FX1&2 3 knobs to control the volumes of decks C and D on the DJM-T1? if so, what would be the advantage of picking up the z2 over the T1? I'm torn between the two because it seems as though they can both offer the same things. Also, in Traktor, is it possible to map the headphone cues of decks C and D to the FX1&2 2 knobs so samples can be previewed before going live? Thanks. |
| Dung Domingus 09.10.2012 | I can get a t1 for the same price as the z2. The only problem I see with the t1 is that you can't cue the remix decks properly from what I've read. I've been trying to work out some hybird setup of external and internal mixing with the t1 so that I can cue properly in my head, but can't come with a solution because cuing is handled externally within the t1 and not in traktor...Looks like I'm going to be getting a k2 even though I voted for the t1. Hopefully we can figure out how to get a long body innofader in there soon! |
| Addie Engbrecht 09.10.2012 | NI hasnt had the best track record when it comes to build quality, and also lets not forget the abortion a lot of people were put thru when the S4 came out, and their soundcard drivers had conflicts in Windows . It wasnt so much the conflicts I had issue with, but it was the way they handled their paying customers. I'd go T1 all day. |
| Kristin Tesfamichael 09.10.2012 | metal vs plastic, internal vs external mixing. yeah I would go with the T1. |
| Nadia Shelmadine 09.10.2012 | DJM-T1 has had another price drop: http://www.westenddj.co.uk/Product/PIONEER/DJMT1/ For 569 |
| cala mar 09.10.2012 | Having gone from a VCI-100 to Xone gear anything without a metal faceplate starts to fall into "toy" category for me. anyone that has laid hands on gear where the control elements are bolted directly to the metal face plate should agree, nothing feels better. that said I like the feature set the Z2 offers (the usb ports are a sweet idea) but id buy a solid standalone mixer any day of the week. |
| Tatum Ansaldo 08.10.2012 | Oops thought you just said the faceplate. The middle isn't removable unfortunately. |
| Dierdre Stillabower 08.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by nestaselect
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| Concetta Delorie 08.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
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| Edwina Fagel 08.10.2012 | I saw the DJM-T1 for around 700€. Z2 for innovation, DJM-T1 for Pioneer quality stuff. |
| Tatum Ansaldo 08.10.2012 | Nope. Plastic. EDIT: The glossy section is metal, the outside sections are aluminum. |
| cala mar 08.10.2012 | is the faceplate and casing metal on the z2? |
| Tatum Ansaldo 08.10.2012 | I'm pretty sure there will be a Z4, it's just a matter of time.
Originally Posted by rdej47
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| Danae Dumler 08.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
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| Johnsie Kingrea 07.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
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| Bunny Sockel 07.10.2012 | If there was a Z4 i would buy it instantly, The Z2 seems like it will be a huge seller |
| Jolynn Schroyer 07.10.2012 | i want one SOOO BAD THE Z2 is flawless. Good job NI. +1 |
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