DJM-T1 or Z2?
DJM-T1 or Z2? | |
| Lizabeth Peight 19.05.2013 | Z2 edging in front...... and is the Z2 post fader when in external mode? and does Z2 allow for internal Traktor set recording when in external mode also? |
| Ervin Calvery 19.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by dillinger23
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| Lizabeth Peight 19.05.2013 | Now that is actually pretty sweet and a HUGE selling point for me. I imagine though that the Kontrol Z2 does the very same. Hmmmm. I seriously believe they missed a huge trick on the T1 by not having dedicated filters on channels A & B. These could even have functioned both in internal mode controlling Traktor, and then in external mode being hardware filters. I work around I was believeing of is having FX1 as three effects as now, but having FX2 with only on functional effect channel and remapping the A&B internal mixer filters to the 2nd & 3rd FX2 effects pots. Not ideal, but I could not give up my dedicated channel filters in software if I do not have them in hardware..... HUGE MISTAKE PIONEER!! Which leads me to a question re: the Z2. This has dedicated A&B filter pots. Am i correct in believeing these function in external standalone mixer mode, both when controlling Traktor AND when the same channel is being used to route a standard CDJ or vinyl deck???? The USB hub feature is also an enormous plus. |
| Darren Teboe 19.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by dillinger23
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| Lizabeth Peight 19.05.2013 | Hey! Great video. I have a question on the DJM-T1... which I suspect is a no :-( The question is, is it possible to change between internal and external modes while music is playing out of the master volume of the mixer??? the reason I ask is I would like to have access to post fader effects when controlling Traktor, but I will also have a DJ following me using CDJs playing CDs, not controlling Traktor. The switch is simple enough when mixer is in external mode, just change the channel input on the mixer (and take CDJ out of controller mode), but can mixer be taken out of internal mode into external with the mixers master out not affected?????? sorry a bit long winded that!! ) |
| Genesis Bruess 17.05.2013 | Old thread revival! What you guys believe... I have a S4... Should i sell and get a Z2 or T1? ot its poitless upgrade. |
| Marion Corbo 26.02.2013 | Can anyone PLEASE confirm if the Volume meters work when you are using the new firmware/tsi for the T1 that includes flux/post fader |
| Toya Myall 31.01.2013 | I believe the only thing I would like to see on the Z2 that isnt there is nudge buttons for each deck to move it into sync if it goes off the beat. That said, I can always use my turntable for that. but it would be nice to make it a more stand alone controller. |
| Anisa Fourte 30.01.2013 | Alright, I was considering the T1 for a bit, I've had my Z2 for over a month now and have to say, I love this thing. Was on an Audio 8/Vestax PMC-08 for the longest time and the Audio 8 has been faltering so had to make the plunge. I have to say, the USB hub was one of the biggest things for me on this. Before, I had 4 controllers setup on a normal gig (5-8 at home and at some gigs). Just for the record, these items are: Nessesary - X1, F1, Maschine MK1, Dicers... Only part-time - RigKontrol 2, 2xCDJs, Pioneer DJM-850/900. With only two USB ports on my computer and always having the Audio 8 on a dedicated one, this is of course was a problem. I had a 4-port USB hub for most gigs, and then when I played on CDJs, I implemented a USB hub card on my expresscard slot. Now, (which either mixer would have allowed really, T1 with some custom programming) I've been able to take out 1-3 of my midi controllers (X1, Dicers, DJM), basically one I was happy to get rid of (X1 and DJM), and 1 that I like, but don't really need (custom mapped Dicers), plus I gained 2 fully powered USB ports! Now, for most gigs, I don't even need to bring a separate hub anymore (eliminates 2 components and cables from my normal gig bag), and I can have my 3 essential midi controllers plus my interface! Now I understand, my setup is one of the kinda extreme situations, but the USB hub was truly vital to minimizing it. The one thing I do wish was that they would have put in 4 FX knobs... Either for full control over 2 FX decks, or, how about this? Setup the top two knobs for Macro FX units 1/2 and the bottom two knobs for FX decks C/D?!?! Seriously? That's what I would program into the T1 if I bought it (hint hint for you T1 guys, thank me later... haha!). The faders are bomb... My crossfader could use a "little" more cut in time imo for scratching, but I'm also one of the guys that likes the stiffer channel faders as I am also big on "house style" mixing through those and only scratching with my X-fader, also why I don't miss the transformer switches. I would have loved curve control, but honestly, the pioneer curve control has never impressed me anyway, so no big deal. InnoFaders built in far surpasses any advantage the T1 had in the that area. Dedicated Filter knob was a must for me. I see this as a winning replacement for the are those transformer switches I barely ever used were. Flux buttons weren't a must, and I'm still tempted to just reprogram those to my Play/Pause buttons and the current method of Play/Pause reprogrammed to Flux. Could have programmed T1 for that as well though, no problem. Honestly, I believe it's the other biggest thing is simply, it's an NI mixer, who is going to be able to integrate better with Traktor then them? Seriously? Anything else I want, I just add on and program myself. Sure, those remix decks don't fully integrate with them, yet.... But who's gear do you believe NI will let work with them first? Multi-colored cue buttons? Z2.... I like my mic/aux input on the back. 1/8" and 1/4" headphone out.... Forbid you ever lose that pesky adapter on a gig. I will never doubt Pioneer's build.. But the Z2's build quality is the best I've seen from NI other then my RigKontrol. Mind you I have every controller from them other then the S2/S4 (including the old Kore 2 one)... And it's ready for travel. Only problems is the paint issue, which NI is already promising all of us new face-places once the designs are done, so I'm happy there. Maybe even get a custom one! All three sections are magnetically on for easy replacing, awesome! Also, the Z2 just plain out looks cleaner then then T1. The T1 seems over cluttered with some stuff, and I was looking to simplify. All-in-all I am very satisfied with my choice in buying the Z2 over the T1. It has 90% of the features I was looking for, and some I didn't even believe about. All the ones it doesn't have, the T1 doesn't really either (honestly only thing is the extra FX knobs/buttons), and missing some of the big ones that the Z2 does have (USB hub and filters). The integration is as tight as possible, and I'd have to do a lot of custom programming to get the T1 to the same point imo, which while I'm very capable, is still a big PITA if I don't "have" to do it. |
| Toya Myall 10.01.2013 | so I took the plunge and got a Z2 - brilliant mixer and integrates with the traktor workflow amazingly. I've barely scratched the surface but I can say I'm happy to have made the choice i did. Love the faders, love the feel of the knobs - verything apart from the x fader feels slightly dampened - which i like. The different no's of fx knobs vs the t1 isnt a problem, as you can select either fx for each channel, so effectively you've got one less effect per channel than the t1. Add in the filter, which i would probably use as an effect and I'd say you've got parity on that score. Hugely impressed. coming from a background of djing with just a bog standard vestax for the last 20 years this is like going from a ford escort to a porsche. |
| Fidel Hakimian 06.01.2013 | Exactly, the drop down option to select live input. |
| Hipolito Scionti 06.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by Ravishing
But are you then in internal mode? Not that i massively care, i actually believe traktor's internal mode is pretty nice now, thanks to 2.6 and i suppose the z2 cheers |
| Fidel Hakimian 06.01.2013 | You can make a deck into a live input and add Traktors FX to that sound. You have to manually do this in the preferences when using the Z2. Select what input the live sound will come in through. Because by default the Z2 switches to Direct through mode (Not Live Input) when disabling the channel via the Traktor button, and that sound cannot be manipulated by Traktor FX. Took me a while to figure it out. |
| Hipolito Scionti 06.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by photojojo
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| Tashia Mcdunn 04.01.2013 | I had a Pio DJM 707 which I don't believe is the same fader at the T1 but the fader on the z2 is much smoother. The ergonomics of the z2 are excellent, everything feels like it is where it should be. The single knob for the effects is really not an issue for me as the superknob effects sound great, and even standard effects are cool since I mainly just adjust the wet/dry of the effect. I like that simplicity. The mixer is built super solid too, its more solid than my djm 707 which says a lot. Jim
Originally Posted by Kurse
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| Hipolito Scionti 03.01.2013 | i started another on this so pls answer there but has anyone tried using traktors effects with real vinyl using live input on the z2? http://community .djranking s.com/showthread.php?t=65606 |
| Doyle Reifer 03.01.2013 | Well, the only reason if i want one of both mixer its just because i'm tired to plug/unplug my audio4 and it will be easier to record mix. I dont use effects, loops or whatever. I only use traktor with timecode vinyls and 2 sl 1200 m3d. I spin drum and bass and do some little scratch. I liked the idea of the djm t1 because EQ and fader will be similar of other mixer when i'm mixing live. But, i don't trust the crossfader for Scratching.. The Z2 have a good crossfader, but will not be the same of other pioneer mixer. Which one is more solid? Do you know if its possible to put a innofader in the T1? Thank you! |
| Shad Rametta 03.01.2013 | ^ Yeah, why didn't they include Send/Returns on either of these mixers? ^ |
| Fidel Hakimian 03.01.2013 | I would say that if you already own controllers like an X1 or Midi Fighter etc, than the Z2 would be a no brainer. But if you don't already own controllers and want a true all in one, than the T1 would be the way to go because of the dedicated FX controls. That is the only thing that gives the T1 a nod over the Z2. But that's about it. Remember, without Traktor the T1 is a pretty limited Analog mixer (no FX or no Filter, no FX SN/RETURNs) just a basic two channel mixer. The Z2 at the least gives you the Hardware Filters and it has Inofaders. |
| Doyle Reifer 04.01.2013 | After reading this thread, i still dont know which one to buy |
| Werner Bile 02.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by DJLiteral
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| Kelvin Ogdon 31.12.2012 | Yea man the T1 has better effects control but on the Z2 - hardware filters, remix decks, and USB Hub are baller. They're both awesome mixers for different reasons. I'm sure I'd be happy with the T1 too, and actually plan on getting one as a back-up anyway. |
| Fidel Hakimian 30.12.2012 | Just purchased the Z2 after seriously considering the T1. I must say that the quality (Build and Sound) of this mixer is TOP NOTCH!! The deciding factor for me was something that many are overlooking. Number 1 is the built in USB HUB. I use a Macbook Air so the two USB ports would seriously hamper my connectivity options. But with this mixer I can connect 3 additional controllers on 1 USB port. But the best feature is the hardware Filters!!! If you don't use a computer (Traktor) you can mix your analog sources and still apply the Hi and Lo pass filter to that signal! This was the deal breaker for me. And the Faders (Inofaders) are a dream!! This is the best Mixer I have ever owned! Some side notes: This thing is HUGE! and it's SOLID! It is still small enough to be considered mobile, but make no mistake, this thing is a TANK! |
| Addie Engbrecht 26.12.2012 | The "T" in T1 stands for Traktor. It was built specifically for Traktor and even has a Traktor Scratch certified soundcard. The sound card does not even work w/ SSL. |
| Ervin Calvery 26.12.2012 | I'm with FEP - I believe that the Z2/T1 make more sense for Traktor. @DJLiteral The Z2 lets you juggle all eight cue points of all four decks - it's really nice. |
26.12.2012 | Would it make sense to buy the T1 if not using any software for the refurbished price ($419)? |
| Kelvin Ogdon 26.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
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| Xenia Gorin 26.12.2012 | Well any program that let's you use any soundcard ....... |
| Tatum Ansaldo 26.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by DJLiteral
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| Kelvin Ogdon 25.12.2012 | I believe the T1 is best for Serato, and the Z2 is best for Traktor. Unless the T1 can also utilize the remix decks. The Aux Out and built in USB hub on the Z2 are definitely made for Traktor users. |
| Maryanna Caliguiri 24.12.2012 | i have got the DJM-T1 and have tried the Z2 at a store and at a friends. Overall i prefer the pioneer. 3 effects nobs rather than just the one and now with the update, you can do all that the Z2 can do for a cheaper price!! Also the feel of the buttons that can be pressed seem a lot nicer on the pioneer, but the Z2 buttons can be a bit small and clicky. Another thing, the DJM T1 has the PIONEER name which have produced unbeatable top mixers that clubs have used all over the world, so you can be sure it will last a life time. |
| Kelvin Ogdon 22.12.2012 | Just got the Z2 and I seriously love it, sound quality is top-notch, solid amount of knobs, and the faders are a dream. Some people like a curve adjustment on the channel faders (Z2 doesn't have em) but I believe they're perfect. |
| Tatum Ansaldo 16.12.2012 | Merged. |
| Xenia Gorin 16.12.2012 | Doesn't mean you cant remap it....... |
| Tamela Batara 16.12.2012 | I recently looked at the new video for the T1. Have you seen how complicated some of the functions look? Probably not too bad once your used to it mind you. For example, have a look at what you have to do for Flux... (2.50 on the below video). http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=CTY_tL6aTAg#! |
| Rolanda Clodfelder 16.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by Koenraku
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| Catherina Monay 16.12.2012 | Alright guys, I'm looking for a new mixer to buy. I have narrowed my searches own to the pioneer djm-t1 or the kontrol z2. Both seem to be able to do the same things pretty much from what i have read on reviews and stuff so i am wondering if anyone has actually used both of these. both mixers have a traktor soundcard already installed so no need to buy an external one it is all plug your turn tables in and then go. I already have a few other controllers for traktor like the f1, x1, maschine etc so i am looking for someones opinnion who knows a lot about both. both are pretty much the same price, within |
| Donald Rychel 12.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by rdej47
What is the most impressive function of the Z2 that the DJM-T1 doesn't match, if you don't mind me asking ? I'm also wondering if anyone is aware if there are any plans to enable the effects for LIVE sources on either ? I read that this is only a software limitation and of course, there is no need to "beatgrid" it if it's just effects you want ... a good idea, perhaps ? I'm Andrew, by the way. a recently unemployed old computer guy. Hello folks ! I'm very familiar with community culture and hope that there will be at least a few good people here. |
| Toya Myall 02.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by djkidmt
Interesting move by pioneer. Z2 still looks slicker in operation; this looks like a quick fix that doesn't work as well |
| Ruthanne Heiman 02.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by lenodd
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