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CDJ-2000 looks like it has been discontinued- time for the CDJ-2000 Nexus speculation
Posted on: 03.02.2012 by Romelia Stankard
So it looks like the CDJ-2000 is officially discontinued according to a few sources and the CDJ-2000 Nexus will be released in April.

Have any photos or details been leaked? I'm hoping for better screens and scrolling waveforms. What else could they add?

http://excessiverecordsdjshop.blogspot.com/

PIONEER PRO DJ NEW PRODUCT UPDATE 2012
PIONEER PRO DJ NEW PRODUCT UPDATE 2012.

CDJ 2000 DISCONTINUED , REPLACED BY CDJ 2000 NEXUS. [ AVAILABLE IN April 2012 ]

DJM 700 DISCONTINUED , REPLACED BY DJM 850. [ Details coming soon ]

HDJ 1000 DISCONTINUED , REPLACED BY HDJ 1500 in SILVER and BLACK 2 COLORS SELECTION [ AVAILABLE IN April 2012 ]

DJM 250 [ AVAILABLE IN March or April 2012 ]

*remarks, PRICE will be announce soon.

STAY TUNE FOR SPEC UPDATE.
Alla Bluemke
01.03.2012		hmmm possibly for the local support, or they offer some type of warranty? Who knows.
Dione Haimes
01.03.2012		@Karlos, my local store is the same they dont stock 2k's you have to order through them (i still dont see why you would order through a shop and not just buy them yourself through pioneer)
Makkins Clifton
01.03.2012		Expect them at Musikmesse Frankfurt which is held from 3-21 till 3-24.
Felipe Rasper
01.03.2012		Any news on this yet ?
Tamela Batara
24.02.2012
Originally Posted by TJP
This leak predicted the DJM-850 release correctly, although it looks like it's the DJM-800 that it's replacing. So we may just see a cdj-2000 nexus soon. The only odd one out here is the DJM-250, that was announced a long time ago. Maybe it's meant to be a CDJ-250?
http://www.pioneer.eu/uk/newsroom/ne...250/index.html
Gwenda Legendre
24.02.2012
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
Dont see a problem there either. They wanna sell their stuff.

I wonder how many CDJ2000s have been sold..? Does anyone have a figure?

I mean, ive no idea at all. My local store doesnt even sell CDJ2000's like many UK stores cus they are a finance risk. There's a stupidly high percentage of CDJ2000s bought in UK on stolen credit cards that it has actually stopped shops from selling them. Serious.
Technically ( from a retail standpoint ) Karlos statement kills the cost theory.

When the MPC 2000XL hit, a similar thing happened. But stores stopped carrying it ( or made it special order only ) because the insurance loss was too high based on the high cost of the product.

What might be happening is they only cost $300-500 to make, but they sell them at $1100-1300 wholesale, which would make far more sense.

Of course that's still a hefty profit.
Branda Sake
24.02.2012
Originally Posted by ekwipt
Conspiracy nut inside me says NI will adopt Advanced HID straight off the bat with these as Serato paid money to be the sole Advanced HID software for the CDJ2000mk1s. Nexus mixer TSP certified Nexus CDJ2000 TSP certified.
Well I don't believe that Serato paid money for being the only one with Advanced HID support because even Virtual DJ supports Advanced HID (Although I don't know how good, but didn't hear anything negative so far).
Also Pioneer stated that anyone can get the specification and implement Advanced HID with a DJ software.

Here's my Advanced HID petition, glad if you could sign it too:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/n...r-advanced-hid
Hope it's okay that post it here? NI didn't like it in their community , obviously...

In the meantime NI should fix all the timecode CD bugs (e.g. cue point jumping, ...) they introduced with 2.1.2 - Those are pretty annoying, especially since I get to play with CDJs more often than before. In my opinion such an important feature shouldn't stay buggy for more than a week - So how long are we waiting already? -.-
Dan Winston
24.02.2012		This leak predicted the DJM-850 release correctly, although it looks like it's the DJM-800 that it's replacing. So we may just see a cdj-2000 nexus soon. The only odd one out here is the DJM-250, that was announced a long time ago. Maybe it's meant to be a CDJ-250?
Celestine Porebski
16.02.2012
Originally Posted by Toast
There margins for the dealer aren't much bigger than other manufacturers but in dollars it's more because there product is more expensive.
QFT. US prices are dirt cheap compared to what we in Europe have to pay (applicable to any electronics device as well as clothing and probably loads of other stuff too)
Alfredo Tooher
16.02.2012
Originally Posted by Audeo
Well shit. The venue I work at just bought four CDJ-2000's, expecting the same product life of the CDJ-1000 MK3..
did they believe the 2000's came out last month? they have been out for almost 2-1/2 years now, The 1000's were updated every 2-3 years so the 2000 would be right on track if they update them soon
Christel Croak
16.02.2012
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
I mean, ive no idea at all. My local store doesnt even sell CDJ2000's like many UK stores cus they are a finance risk. There's a stupidly high percentage of CDJ2000s bought in UK on stolen credit cards that it has actually stopped shops from selling them. Serious.
My friend was telling me about this, but I didn't really believe it, but that's insane. I cant imagine how that's affecting the market. Sure they're loosing less money from the stole cards, but are they going to lose sales for them now that they're not in stores? Because not everyone is willing to dish out 2K online.

What I'm wondering though is: Why only for the 2000s? Because I'd imagine this has being going on for a while with other gear too, but they're still in stores, so is it because of the cost of the 2000's alone? And with new Pioneer CDJs and mixers coming out (which will surely cost as much as the cdj2000) will they be sold in stores in the UK? It doesn't really impact me much, but just interesting to hear.
Romelia Stankard
15.02.2012
Originally Posted by Audeo
Well shit. The venue I work at just bought four CDJ-2000's, expecting the same product life of the CDJ-1000 MK3..
Well they did have the same product life as the CDJ-1000MK3s. MK3s were are for three years before getting replaced by the 2000s and the 2000s came out in 2009.
Venetta Cawyer
09.02.2012		Well shit. The venue I work at just bought four CDJ-2000's, expecting the same product life of the CDJ-1000 MK3..
Mimi Mahaffee
09.02.2012
Originally Posted by Toast
Well i wasn't comparing to super high end audio more like talking about dj products.
There margins for the dealer aren't much bigger than other manufacturers but in dollars it's more because there product is more expensive.
When i say margin i'm saying the gross profit margin that Pioneer is making when selling to the dealers.
Allrite then i understand you.
Yeah perhaps pioneers margins are high, would be fun to know how high although.
Romelia Stankard
07.02.2012
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
Dont see a problem there either. They wanna sell their stuff.
I mean I don't blame them and it makes sense, it's just disappointing knowing that it probably won't happen where SSL will get full advanced HID support since it requires rane hardware anyway. NI should just support advanced HID and only unlock it to owners of Traktor Scratch Pro 2 software and not Pro 2 and everyone would be happy.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
07.02.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
. Really though I just suspected NI didn't develop advanced HID because it would mean fewer copies of Traktor Scratch Pro 2 and Audio 10s sold.
Dont see a problem there either. They wanna sell their stuff.

I wonder how many CDJ2000s have been sold..? Does anyone have a figure?

I mean, ive no idea at all. My local store doesnt even sell CDJ2000's like many UK stores cus they are a finance risk. There's a stupidly high percentage of CDJ2000s bought in UK on stolen credit cards that it has actually stopped shops from selling them. Serious.
Makkins Clifton
07.02.2012		That's what I heard as well. My local DJ-gear candyman couldn't give me a better price on CDJ2000s and DJM2000 than the bigger stores without loosing money.
Nila Ragonese
07.02.2012		Well i wasn't comparing to super high end audio more like talking about dj products.
There margins for the dealer aren't much bigger than other manufacturers but in dollars it's more because there product is more expensive.
When i say margin i'm saying the gross profit margin that Pioneer is making when selling to the dealers.
Mimi Mahaffee
07.02.2012
Originally Posted by Toast
I believe 500 is a lot.
The CDJ-2000 probably costs around 300 per unit. If you add engineering, marketing, shipping, warehouse costs, all the operational costs and what not it's probably up in the 500 price range total. Pioneer is notorious for making big margins.
I work in a electronic retailer shop(although no pioneer dj gear i do sell speakers, home cinema aplifiers, blu rays and stuff from them. However i gave them a call recently asking for the price of cdj 2000 and it was really high compares to other deals i for example made with canton, yamaha etc.. So i duno bout their margins, however the retailers margins on pioneer cdjs aint high..
Its funny cuz they are a "budget" brand in the hifiworld
Rochel Gleese
07.02.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Really? I'm so sick of NIs politics with scratch certification and if this is true then advanced HID. Really though I just suspected NI didn't develop advanced HID because it would mean fewer copies of Traktor Scratch Pro 2 and Audio 10s sold.

It would make me pretty happy if NI did offer advanced HID and they improved the screens and offered scrolling waveforms. Something close to a full Traktor deck on each CDJ would be sick.

anyway check out these CDJ-2000s

Insurance scam, waiting for the mk2 to be released
Evelyn Navarijo
07.02.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Really? I'm so sick of NIs politics with scratch certification and if this is true then advanced HID. Really though I just suspected NI didn't develop advanced HID because it would mean fewer copies of Traktor Scratch Pro 2 and Audio 10s sold.
This. So much. NI are being jerks on the whole Scratch certification thing.
Makkins Clifton
07.02.2012
Not sure if you're serious about working for NI
Why wouldn't I?

...and yes I won't be able to talk but at least know what is going on.

@Xone: Are these yours ? :P
Romelia Stankard
07.02.2012
Originally Posted by ekwipt
Conspiracy nut inside me says NI will adopt Advanced HID straight off the bat with these as Serato paid money to be the sole Advanced HID software for the CDJ2000mk1s. Nexus mixer TSP certified Nexus CDJ2000 TSP certified.
Really? I'm so sick of NIs politics with scratch certification and if this is true then advanced HID. Really though I just suspected NI didn't develop advanced HID because it would mean fewer copies of Traktor Scratch Pro 2 and Audio 10s sold.

It would make me pretty happy if NI did offer advanced HID and they improved the screens and offered scrolling waveforms. Something close to a full Traktor deck on each CDJ would be sick.

anyway check out these CDJ-2000s

Rochel Gleese
07.02.2012
Originally Posted by HedgeHog
While highly speculative this sounds reasonable to me. The CDJ2000 integration could be better in Traktor.

Where did you get the information that Serato is the only software to support Adv. HID on the CDJ2000?

I'm tired of this politics mumbo-jumbo but I will soon get sucked even deeper in it when I work for NI.
There's no info to the contrary.

Not sure if you're serious about working for NI but I doubt you'll be able to say anything about the subject if you ever do
Nila Ragonese
07.02.2012
Originally Posted by guiltyblade
Thats probably about right. If you add the random other things like shipping cost, etc. I'd say its close to there, cause they probably sell it to retailers at about 1200-1500. So then retailers can mark up.
I believe 500 is a lot.
The CDJ-2000 probably costs around 300 per unit. If you add engineering, marketing, shipping, warehouse costs, all the operational costs and what not it's probably up in the 500 price range total. Pioneer is notorious for making big margins.
Makkins Clifton
07.02.2012		While highly speculative this sounds reasonable to me. The CDJ2000 integration could be better in Traktor.

Where did you get the information that Serato is the only software to support Adv. HID on the CDJ2000?

I'm tired of this politics mumbo-jumbo but I will soon get sucked even deeper in it when I work for NI.
Rochel Gleese
07.02.2012		Conspiracy nut inside me says NI will adopt Advanced HID straight off the bat with these as Serato paid money to be the sole Advanced HID software for the CDJ2000mk1s. Nexus mixer TSP certified Nexus CDJ2000 TSP certified.
Makkins Clifton
07.02.2012		It's actually a DVD-ROM drive in the 2000s.

An upgrade to BD-ROM wouldn't make much sense as anyone is likely to use USB-keys for higher capacities.

In the long run they'll ditch the optical drive but it still too early for that.
Lindy Jonker
07.02.2012		Thanks for setting me straight, HedgeHog.
Lisa Lochotzki
07.02.2012
Originally Posted by guiltyblade
Thats probably about right. If you add the random other things like shipping cost, etc. I'd say its close to there, cause they probably sell it to retailers at about 1200-1500. So then retailers can mark up.
mark up on Pioneer products is pretty lame. 10-15% mark up in most store. It used to be 30-40%
Emely Metz
07.02.2012
Originally Posted by TeddyWhite
looking forward to the djm 250
didn't this has been out for quite some time?

waiting for CDJ-250 though
Alla Bluemke
07.02.2012
Originally Posted by ekwipt
The whole unit problem costs less than $500 to build at cost then
Thats probably about right. If you add the random other things like shipping cost, etc. I'd say its close to there, cause they probably sell it to retailers at about 1200-1500. So then retailers can mark up.
Rochel Gleese
07.02.2012
Originally Posted by Toast
I assure you it costs between 30-45 USD for the entire DVD rom. Including PCB's with controlling chips, firmware, buffer, all the other stuff involved.
The whole unit problem costs less than $500 to build at cost then
Laci Billingham
06.02.2012		looking forward to the djm 250
Lisa Lochotzki
06.02.2012		cheap laser DVD pickup don't last with vibration, as simple as that. Replacement Laser Assy' for a CDJ is round 115$-125$ COST.
Nila Ragonese
06.02.2012
Originally Posted by ekwipt
I'm sure it would cost more than $15 to put one of those in there. The pcb would become a lot smaller, platter would t need to interact with the hardware at all, internal software. Surely there's more to it than simply wacking a cd player inside???
I assure you it costs between 30-45 USD for the entire DVD rom. Including PCB's with controlling chips, firmware, buffer, all the other stuff involved.
Rochel Gleese
06.02.2012
Originally Posted by GRiNSER
Seriously? What's so expensive about the DVD drive in there? Buying a cheap dvd drive sets you off about 15 bucks. Okay, it got special damping but that has already been engineered for the CDJ100, therefore this can't cost that much either...
I'm sure it would cost more than $15 to put one of those in there. The pcb would become a lot smaller, platter would t need to interact with the hardware at all, internal software. Surely there's more to it than simply wacking a cd player inside???
Branda Sake
05.02.2012
Originally Posted by Toast
Actually the DVD Rom is one of the more expensive parts in there...
Seriously? What's so expensive about the DVD drive in there? Buying a cheap dvd drive sets you off about 15 bucks. Okay, it got special damping but that has already been engineered for the CDJ100, therefore this can't cost that much either...
Alla Bluemke
05.02.2012		Awesome I just bought my CDJ 2000sssss... ugghhhhh but well i got them cheap and they are stilll sooooo rad. I'm interested to see what improves on cdj 2000s

I believe:

Colored wave form
touch screen
track search capabilities (maybe touch screen keyboard)
Slip mode
Better HID support
Felipe Rasper
05.02.2012		meaby they will add a USB3.0 port.

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