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New controllers, brand
Posted on: 10.07.2011 by Caridad Fan
Hi there!
So... Here is the thing... I'm making a brand for new controllers. I already have contacts to sell these and produce them with a good price.
Now, i'm searching for what people need!

My first controller idea is to round up effects and loop modules... What do you believe? For you, as digital djs, what do you look for? What's the things that you would love to have on a controller?

Starting with just effects and loop modules is easier for the investment and this way I can gain some experience on the market. Later I'll go with a full controller... Even though, ideas? I want to know what you would love to have on the controllers...
Kiyoko Wellisch
10.07.2011		Oh fucks sake I forgot all the faderfoxes. They are like the most obvious examples. Ah well.

Yeah basically I believe the BCR is cool, just too big.
Caridad Fan
10.07.2011		No no not problem at all but i'm aiming for a medium controller not a a small one.
Kiyoko Wellisch
10.07.2011		I named 5 controllers which are all knobs/whatever and are small controllers. Something wrong with them?

Shall I name more? Akai lpd8, gemini firstmix, numark dj2go, hercules dj console mk2, doepfer pocket fader, reloop contour, denon dn hc1000s...
Caridad Fan
10.07.2011		Huge? So you want something with knobs encoders and buttons and want it to be tiny?
Kiyoko Wellisch
10.07.2011		It's fucking huge.
Caridad Fan
10.07.2011
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Midi controllers are cross platform by nature, right? :P

Basically the way I see it is that the only bank of control style controllers we have on the market at the moment are the korg nanokontrol, the novation nocturn and the livid code. The code is expensive, the nanokontrol is poorly built and lacks encoders and the nocturn has a retarded layout and annoying software.

We need a couple of decent quality knobs and encoders at a decent price. I don't know why no one makes it. Same as I don't know why it's impossible to get a midi mixer controller without fucking jog wheels and other fluff.
http://www.musicstore.de/pt_PT/PTE/C...PCM0003513-000 what about this one?
Caridad Fan
10.07.2011		Yes but even though you have to select some stuff... hard to explain.
Kiyoko Wellisch
10.07.2011		I'm not overly familiar but I believe you make a midi channel and send the output to the controller and write the midi data actually as a piano score type thing.
Caridad Fan
10.07.2011
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Midi controllers are cross platform by nature, right? :P

Basically the way I see it is that the only bank of control style controllers we have on the market at the moment are the korg nanokontrol, the novation nocturn and the livid code. The code is expensive, the nanokontrol is poorly built and lacks encoders and the nocturn has a retarded layout and annoying software.

We need a couple of decent quality knobs and encoders at a decent price. I don't know why no one makes it. Same as I don't know why it's impossible to get a midi mixer controller without fucking jog wheels and other fluff.
These are interesting statements... I really agree with you. I believe i'll be the first to make a controller with knobs and encoders.
The problem with livid code are those leds and silicone buttons. hard to make. it values the money but still...

About cross-platform... the problem is the sends of the software. So, let's say you want to control leds for example for when you activate something. Traktor does this pretty well through the controller manager but what about ableton for example? Still don't know how ableton live acts with sends for example.
Kiyoko Wellisch
10.07.2011		Midi controllers are cross platform by nature, right? :P

Basically the way I see it is that the only bank of control style controllers we have on the market at the moment are the korg nanokontrol, the novation nocturn and the livid code. The code is expensive, the nanokontrol is poorly built and lacks encoders and the nocturn has a retarded layout and annoying software.

We need a couple of decent quality knobs and encoders at a decent price. I don't know why no one makes it. Same as I don't know why it's impossible to get a midi mixer controller without fucking jog wheels and other fluff.
Caridad Fan
10.07.2011
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Doesn't matter what on really. I dislike the fact there's so little in the way of controllers build around a certain workflow. I've hardly found anything that suits my desires which is largely why I don't use midi controllers.

Midi controllers would benefit massively from shedding this strange fashion of imitating a cdj+mixer type setup. Richie Hawtin has it right, his gear doesn't pretend to be anything else and has been designed to suit his needs perfectly.
that's why i'm asking around here what people look because I agree with you. so ... more knobs and encoders... that's something to believe about... it's even interesting as a cross-plataform thing, dj production, ableton traktor whatever...
Kiyoko Wellisch
10.07.2011		Doesn't matter what on really. I dislike the fact there's so little in the way of controllers build around a certain workflow. I've hardly found anything that suits my desires which is largely why I don't use midi controllers.

Midi controllers would benefit massively from shedding this strange fashion of imitating a cdj+mixer type setup. Richie Hawtin has it right, his gear doesn't pretend to be anything else and has been designed to suit his needs perfectly.
Caridad Fan
10.07.2011
Originally Posted by dj stifffy
id like some big endless encoders that corispond to effects that move like jog wheels so can flick when needed, buttons to match, a set of 8 cues for each deck, a shift button to trigger samples, and for the effects button for 4 preset fx selects, loop encoder and jump mode, then filter controls for each deck... this would be my ideal "x1"type controller, shame I already use my hercules mp3 e2 like this though
effects that move like jogs? say what? ehehe

MrPopinjay, this would be an interesting thing to do... Do you really use all these encoders and rotaries? On traktor?
Kiyoko Wellisch
10.07.2011		Just these really.

http://www.doepfer.de/pd.htm
http://www.doepfer.de/pc.htm

With a few buttons under each column.
Loralee Erban
10.07.2011		id like some big endless encoders that corispond to effects that move like jog wheels so can flick when needed, buttons to match, a set of 8 cues for each deck, a shift button to trigger samples, and for the effects button for 4 preset fx selects, loop encoder and jump mode, then filter controls for each deck... this would be my ideal "x1"type controller, shame I already use my hercules mp3 e2 like this though
Jerold Nesselrode
10.07.2011		If you are serious about this, I have some ideas for small extra controllers (everyone daydreams from time to time) I believe having a conversation could benefit this idea. And right now one that I'm researching is a midi mixer. Shoot me a PM.
Caridad Fan
10.07.2011
Originally Posted by djchriswoods.co.uk
wireless capability, either via bluetooth or wifi. the reason being is for a tidier setup. i have a 13" MBP which only has 2 usb ports that are currently taken up by audio 8 and a xone 1d and im loathed to get a powered usb hub...messy!lol

i do have a design idea for a tidy MBP compatible and powered usb hub if ur interested?
well, the problem with bluetooth / wifi and these kind of software and controller is as obvious latency and price. but that's a pretty interesting idea... i'll check that out thanks for the idea.

about the powered usb hub... i don't see a use for now, maybe later when i do a controller with integrated sound card.
Teresia Janusch
10.07.2011		wireless capability, either via bluetooth or wifi. the reason being is for a tidier setup. i have a 13" MBP which only has 2 usb ports that are currently taken up by audio 8 and a xone 1d and im loathed to get a powered usb hub...messy!lol

i do have a design idea for a tidy MBP compatible and powered usb hub if ur interested?
Caridad Fan
10.07.2011
Originally Posted by mr.drumer.boy
dude look at the price of the s4, its alot but if it is worth the money people will buy it.

Now ideas, believe creative, something that will catch someone like ean golden or richie hawtins eye, something like moldover did with the mojo. He did it oin the shape of his hand, you could build a new feature or introduce a new workflow idea, work on the design abit and make some prototypes and you could have yourself the next s4.
well but let's be fair, S4 has pretty expensive components on it. If my controller costs as much as S4, people won't buy right?
For now, I don't want to do a S4, I want to start small.
To reach a good design, I need to know what I'll have on the controller first eheheh
Marva Cupid
10.07.2011		dude look at the price of the s4, its alot but if it is worth the money people will buy it.

Now ideas, believe creative, something that will catch someone like ean golden or richie hawtins eye, something like moldover did with the mojo. He did it oin the shape of his hand, you could build a new feature or introduce a new workflow idea, work on the design abit and make some prototypes and you could have yourself the next s4.
Caridad Fan
10.07.2011		I've seen that already but each of those costs 12$ so... let's say you want 10 encoders it will cost 120$ plus the cost of each encoder. See the impracticality?
About nice feel... I'm believeing on using micro switches. I have circle and square caps i'll have to decide the best. I could use something like Akai buttons but that way I need touch sensitive pads and then I need a bigger case. Once again it will bump the price. I could use arcade buttons also... That can be a solution but I can't use on everything otherwise I'll have to have a bigger case once again.

The problem with bumping the price is that no one will buy it then.
Allene Manitta
10.07.2011		http://www.djranking s.com/community /sho...d+ring+encoder
hope that helps

would love to seem more of them on controllers

buttons for practically anything... have to be quite big and have a "nice feel" (touchy, bouncy, responsiveness)
Caridad Fan
10.07.2011		led feedback on encoders is kind of hard to get. they have to be custom made. i didn't find any supplier of that yet, at least for an interesting price.
buttons of course but... for what?
Allene Manitta
10.07.2011		buttons
encoders with led feeback!

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