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which midi to trigger cue points? Posted on: 22.07.2011 by Shu Dietiker Hi I own an x1 kontroller from traktor which i find awesome because of the backlight but since I now own an s4 and I don't believe I need it except for triggering 8 cue points. I'm looking for something similar to the nanopad from korg. does anyone have any idea of a tiny midi controller with perhaps only 16 tiny pads which would also be backlit??? thanks
Chasidy Heckenbach 20.08.2011	Originally Posted by DJ_Pabloco the only reason i would get the idj is to be able to control effects and like turn everything into superfaders. like the crossfader would be an echo freeze or something it would make a cool effects controller in additional to another - with so many pots, buttons and the 5 faders to map. plus the jogs are pretty cool, very responsive and send out different data depending on whether you're moving via the top or the edges and/or whether you enabled the scratch mode button.
Chasidy Heckenbach 20.08.2011	Originally Posted by chillinzzd Just saw iStage, I believe APC 20 would be better for extra few bucks i don't like the size of the apc20, way too bulky for what i want. currently looking at a 2nd LP, the istage, vestax padone or just cheaping out and buying a 2nd lpd8. atm i can easily fit all my controllers in one laptop bag, with them all in their own sleeves. i like that kind of portability. kind of "mix & match" depending on how i feel like controlling traktor/ableton.
Chasidy Heckenbach 20.08.2011	Originally Posted by chillinzzd but in case you're serious - http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._5683355_n.jpg there is the same option available for the midifighter classic ah.... yep - i was in fact being serious ah well... show's how much i know i've seen those style arcade buttons but didn't know they were now an option on a midifighter.
Percy Keehan 20.08.2011	Originally Posted by zestoi true - i'd like one but its way too expensive for that it is imho yep - it is quite big - tho gives u lots of stuff to map. not sure about "too much" as i only paid 80gbp for mine new - which isnt much more than stuff like the nano's etc. not going to get much cheaper than that. unless by "much" you just mean the number of buttons ofc... true lol - but they are uber cheap. you don't have many options left really i don't believe. there is the iStage by ICON that is like a small launchpad - but i don't believe its any cheaper: http://www.icon-global.com/ShowPro.aspx?ID=100 i paid 100gbp for my icon idj and i believe this is the same price. why not just a midifighter classic - its 16 pads and not a bad price. not backlit but has leds by each control at least. the only reason i would get the idj is to be able to control effects and like turn everything into superfaders. like the crossfader would be an echo freeze or something
Leeanna Ayla 20.08.2011	Originally Posted by chillinzzd but in case you're serious - http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._5683355_n.jpg there is the same option available for the midifighter classic Pretty sure those rings are just clear and the light being picked up is from the LED's.
Chasidy Heckenbach 20.08.2011	Originally Posted by chillinzzd at first glance i thought this was a troll because 99% of his description fit the midifighter perfectly lol nope - not backlit. a version of the MF with lit buttons (or at least rings around ala lpd8) would be cool tho instead of the little leds they have...
Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2011	Originally Posted by moey2k2001 thnx again =D very helpful cheers - no problem i'd be very interested to hear what u believe of the icon istage if you do that that. seems to be not much info about at all on the icon products. i believe they were announced back in 2010 and they were slow to finally release them or something. i found one 'idj' on ebay and havent seen any since - tho i have seen a couple on ebay.com.
Chasidy Heckenbach 20.08.2011	Originally Posted by DJ_Pabloco the only reason i would get the idj is to be able to control effects and like turn everything into superfaders. like the crossfader would be an echo freeze or something it would make a cool effects controller in additional to another - with so many pots, buttons and the 5 faders to map. plus the jogs are pretty cool, very responsive and send out different data depending on whether you're moving via the top or the edges and/or whether you enabled the scratch mode button.
Chasidy Heckenbach 20.08.2011	Originally Posted by chillinzzd Just saw iStage, I believe APC 20 would be better for extra few bucks i don't like the size of the apc20, way too bulky for what i want. currently looking at a 2nd LP, the istage, vestax padone or just cheaping out and buying a 2nd lpd8. atm i can easily fit all my controllers in one laptop bag, with them all in their own sleeves. i like that kind of portability. kind of "mix & match" depending on how i feel like controlling traktor/ableton.
Chasidy Heckenbach 20.08.2011	Originally Posted by chillinzzd but in case you're serious - http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._5683355_n.jpg there is the same option available for the midifighter classic ah.... yep - i was in fact being serious ah well... show's how much i know i've seen those style arcade buttons but didn't know they were now an option on a midifighter.
Marva Cupid 20.08.2011	Y don't you just keep you x1 in cue mode and then you also have control of the second two effect banks
Myriam Goulart 20.08.2011	http://www.ultimarc.com/ultralux.html Or you can mod sanwa buttons to be backlit if you manage to get a midifighter kit. alternatively mod a usb gamepad with arcade buttons and build your own ???
Kiyoko Wellisch 21.08.2011	You couldn't turn those faders into super faders easily, firmware won't support it. You'd have to run it through some midi translator software to achieve that.
Percy Keehan 20.08.2011	Originally Posted by zestoi true - i'd like one but its way too expensive for that it is imho yep - it is quite big - tho gives u lots of stuff to map. not sure about "too much" as i only paid 80gbp for mine new - which isnt much more than stuff like the nano's etc. not going to get much cheaper than that. unless by "much" you just mean the number of buttons ofc... true lol - but they are uber cheap. you don't have many options left really i don't believe. there is the iStage by ICON that is like a small launchpad - but i don't believe its any cheaper: http://www.icon-global.com/ShowPro.aspx?ID=100 i paid 100gbp for my icon idj and i believe this is the same price. why not just a midifighter classic - its 16 pads and not a bad price. not backlit but has leds by each control at least. the only reason i would get the idj is to be able to control effects and like turn everything into superfaders. like the crossfader would be an echo freeze or something
Leeanna Ayla 20.08.2011	Originally Posted by chillinzzd but in case you're serious - http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._5683355_n.jpg there is the same option available for the midifighter classic Pretty sure those rings are just clear and the light being picked up is from the LED's.
Penelope Lamczyk 20.08.2011	Just saw iStage, I believe APC 20 would be better for extra few bucks
Penelope Lamczyk 20.08.2011	but in case you're serious - http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._5683355_n.jpg there is the same option available for the midifighter classic
Penelope Lamczyk 20.08.2011	now you're messing with my head lol Have you seen the new midifighter buttons with rings around them? i'm definitely falling for your trap -_-
Chasidy Heckenbach 20.08.2011	Originally Posted by chillinzzd at first glance i thought this was a troll because 99% of his description fit the midifighter perfectly lol nope - not backlit. a version of the MF with lit buttons (or at least rings around ala lpd8) would be cool tho instead of the little leds they have...
Penelope Lamczyk 20.08.2011	at first glance i thought this was a troll because 99% of his description fit the midifighter perfectly lol
Leeanna Ayla 19.08.2011	The X1 goes great with the S4.
Chasidy Heckenbach 19.08.2011	just realised the icon istage is velocity sensitive... was believeing of picking up another lpd8 or forking out for a vestax padone then realised the istage might be better instead. has anyone bought one of these yet?
Shu Dietiker 23.07.2011	well i gotta save first i do my shoppings every end or beginin of the month. this month i already spent 500euros... so i gotta wait 3 weeks til i get my paychecks from my gigs... i will post here thou as soon as i get it. its the next on my list.
Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2011	Originally Posted by moey2k2001 thnx again =D very helpful cheers - no problem i'd be very interested to hear what u believe of the icon istage if you do that that. seems to be not much info about at all on the icon products. i believe they were announced back in 2010 and they were slow to finally release them or something. i found one 'idj' on ebay and havent seen any since - tho i have seen a couple on ebay.com.
Shu Dietiker 23.07.2011	thnx again =D very helpful
Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2011	Originally Posted by moey2k2001 i am actually looking into buying these nano stuff myself... well for mobile while on vacation or train or whatever... i believe to improvize the nano stuff is pretty okay. baring in mind as i said that it weights less i am going to get the following.. whats ur reviews about them? 1. korg nanokey (220grams) 2. KORG NANOKONTROL 3. icon - pad (as mentioned before) baring in mind when u transport a lot of gear .. i believe these 3 stuff for my needs would probably be good to transport mobile. all 3 items will weight about 1kg. if i would buy the korg akai lpk25 seems pretty cool but it weights almost 700g.... my only comments are really what i already said. the nanokey is better than nothing if you want to compose - which is why i bought it - but do wish i had gone for the lpk. i just find it too hard to play more than one note at a time on and find it almost impossible to play any chord that involves any sharps or flats... the nanokontrol is great - i would go for the mk1 for the extra channel and cheaper price personally - but the mk2 is a better build quality. i dont know much about the icon ipad - only found a couple of reviews on the interweb.
Shu Dietiker 23.07.2011	i am actually looking into buying these nano stuff myself... well for mobile while on vacation or train or whatever... i believe to improvize the nano stuff is pretty okay. baring in mind as i said that it weights less i am going to get the following.. whats ur reviews about them? 1. korg nanokey (220grams) 2. KORG NANOKONTROL 3. icon - pad (as mentioned before) baring in mind when u transport a lot of gear .. i believe these 3 stuff for my needs would probably be good to transport mobile. all 3 items will weight about 1kg. if i would buy the korg akai lpk25 seems pretty cool but it weights almost 700g....
Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2011	Originally Posted by moey2k2001 i looked all the other products from them. the keyboard seems to be interesting for mobile transport... but again korg has produced a better one on the weight. i am goin to buy the nano stuff from korg... except the pad i will get from icon the only good thing about the nanokey is its size and weight. i wish i had bought the akai lpk25 personally. tho the icon one looks pretty cool - esp with the 2 touch strips. the nanokontrol mk1 is very good - 9 channels is a nice layout for what i use it for in ableton. the mk2 seems to be better built - more buttons - but only 8 channels. if i was buying three nano-type-controllers i'd be buying the akai lpd8 + akai lpk25 + korg nanokontrol.
Shu Dietiker 23.07.2011	i looked all the other products from them. the keyboard seems to be interesting for mobile transport... but again korg has produced a better one on the weight. i am goin to buy the nano stuff from korg... except the pad i will get from icon
Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2011	Originally Posted by moey2k2001 the price is a little heavy but affordable compared to the vestax... i believe i will take this... cool - glad that info came in handy not sure why i didn't believe of it before really... i only ordered my icon idj last week and my brother has already played with it and seems to be living up to what reviewers have said that they're pretty well built devices. not sure on the tiny jog wheels on the icon idj but they are touch sensitive and i wanted to try it out...
Shu Dietiker 23.07.2011	i already have a maschine as well as a x1. maschine is very good but then again too many buttons for my needs and a big for mobile transport (since i have the s4 bag from ranking s, weighing already 13kg). the x1 is awesome but i dont need the knobs. just the buttons. best would be ofcourse to cut the x1 in half
Ok Moroski 23.07.2011	+1 on the midi fighter. Having messed around with pad controllers, their lack of haptic feedback (the pads don't go down or do anything to let your fingers know they actually hit them) would really bother me with cue points. The only other thing you might consider is a Maschine if you have the money to splash out and would like to try it with the production end of things as well, though it has the same lack of haptic feedback issue. Still, a Maschine would fit your 16 button requirement perfectly and would also allow you to control effects with good feedback, plus there are some solid Traktor mappings for it out there. I currently have an S4 and an x1, and am believeing about a Maschine mostly for production purposes - though it would be fun to use with Traktor too. It is a bit steep just for a midi controller though, so make sure you have a use for the Maschine software too.
Shu Dietiker 23.07.2011	i menat too much as in the buttons. i dont really care about the price unless it is reasonable... the vestax is ridiculous with its price... the midi fighter is not backlit but one of the best i guess... and finally... the icon seems to be coool... yeah your right its a mini launchpad but its the exact size i would need to place next to the s4... plus i can use the extra buttons to map more cue points... (as far as i remember, traktor allows you to have more than 8 cue points) the price is a little heavy but affordable compared to the vestax... i believe i will take this...
Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2011	Originally Posted by moey2k2001 the vestax pad one is cool but quiet pricy... true - i'd like one but its way too expensive for that it is imho the launchpad is too much and too big... (i already own a maschine from NI) yep - it is quite big - tho gives u lots of stuff to map. not sure about "too much" as i only paid 80gbp for mine new - which isnt much more than stuff like the nano's etc. not going to get much cheaper than that. unless by "much" you just mean the number of buttons ofc... the lpd is not really that useful... waste of space with the knobs... (which i would probably never use) and having two was not the idea... true lol - but they are uber cheap. you don't have many options left really i don't believe. there is the iStage by ICON that is like a small launchpad - but i don't believe its any cheaper: http://www.icon-global.com/ShowPro.aspx?ID=100 i paid 100gbp for my icon idj and i believe this is the same price. why not just a midifighter classic - its 16 pads and not a bad price. not backlit but has leds by each control at least.
Shu Dietiker 23.07.2011	hey i have been looking for hours on the net to find something but the only thing i did find useful from this community and was probably the midifighter... the vestax pad one is cool but quiet pricy... the launchpad is too much and too big... (i already own a maschine from NI) the lpd is not really that useful... waste of space with the knobs... (which i would probably never use) and having two was not the idea... i could probaly work around with 6 cue points... but i still need em doubled as of the way i juggle and play through my sets with cue points... i need them always active... i am still looking...:eek: let me know if ya guys find anything...
Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2011	Originally Posted by transient dicer! ah.... totally forgot about those i almost bought a pair recently just to add a few more buttons in my setup. about 80gbp for a pair i believe they were? not bad at all... 10 biggish pads and 6 smaller ones. so exactly the 16 the OP was asking about (ish)
Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2011	Originally Posted by mynameisjonthenoob I honestly have only used a Launchpad a few times and would not describe myself as being too comfortable around it. Would you give it a good ranking overall though? i love the flexability of it - i use some software so i can assign multiple pages to it (you could also use midikatapult etc) and use it to control ableton and traktor at the same time. the pads really aren't as bad as i had expected - after reading what other people had said on the net. they're not mpc style pads at all as you need to actually push them down a bit like a normal style button - compared with mpc/mpd/lpd/etc style pads that are really designed for finger drumming etc and so are touch sensitive. it's pretty well made for the price too i reckon and i'll probably pick up a 2nd one for a kind of 16x8 style combined grid for clip launching. i only paid 80gbp for mine new too - which is a bargain imho. if you really want mpc style pads u can drum on (or need velocity sensitivity ofc) then look elsewhere - but for what its designed for its pretty good. edit: i do also use mine for cue points in traktor and have had no issue with it for that
Nguyet Shedenhelm 23.07.2011	dicer!
Marcellus Androski 23.07.2011	Originally Posted by zestoi i love my launchpad but the pads arent perfect if you need to quicky juggle cue points - could be good enough tho. the new vestax padone has 12 backlit pads if 12 was enough but its quite expensive for what it is. the lpd8 is a bargain price but only 8 pads but i've seen quite a few people just using one per deck. they're not quite backlit - but there is a ring of light that lights up round them. best bang for the buck - even buying two - and then you'd have 16 extra pots - tho i guess you might not be interested in those... I honestly have only used a Launchpad a few times and would not describe myself as being too comfortable around it. Would you give it a good ranking overall though?
Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2011	Originally Posted by MrPopinjay Spesh since it comes with the worlds most fucking useless knob caps. Even my thin little fingers have problems with them. true.... only good thing about them being so low is that the unit fits in my korg nano case thing that is designed for 3 nanos....

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