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So who's got an F1 and how are you finding it ?
Posted on: 07.06.2012 by Cira Ditz
I'm broke this month so my hopes of getting an F1 at launch time had to take a backseat.

Then there's been the whole huge drama of 2.5, but to be honest I'm rather liking 2.5 on my Mac with my S4 and so still hoping to get an F1 at some point next month.

Just wondering if anyone's got an F1 already and what you're thoughts are on it ?
Cira Ditz
09.07.2012
Originally Posted by dfinch805
try setting a master clock that all 4 decks sync to in the top right under metronome? although for this you need to always be sitting at 1 bpm if you rely on sync button.
Thanks so much for the suggestion and I'll def look into that (I remember Ean did a tutorial mentioning the metronome a few weeks back but never had time to explore it.)

Have to say I was working on a mix over the weekend and was my first attempt with the remix decks, and the constant Master assignnig itself to the remix deck was a complete pain and so many times I had to keep clicking on A or B as while trying to find the best places to cut/blend I'd be stopping the main decks and my remix deck would just grab it every time. After two days was starting to get really annoying.

I'm sure (well, am'hoping') it's just how my preferences for my S4 and F1 are set though so will try and sort it out next weekend when have more time, but believe I'll give my F1 a miss for my Friday clubevening this week.
Michell Wehrmeyer
08.07.2012
Originally Posted by Jane
Well I tried it out on my Friday evening along with my S4 and although it was fun did have one headache, but I believe that's more to I've not got it set up right rather than the unit.

My remix deck which was on the C deck of my S4 kept assigning itself as the Master which kept throwing out my syncs as my track decks A,B and D would loose the Master. Does any of you guys know how to make sure the sample/remix decks never become masters but always sync to track decks ?
try setting a master clock that all 4 decks sync to in the top right under metronome? although for this you need to always be sitting at 1 bpm if you rely on sync button.
Ashanti Andreacchio
28.06.2012
Originally Posted by scamo
Edit-/ yeah, call me an idiot for not reading the manual.

scamo
Hehe Who reads a manual :P when you put all of the F1 futures to use there little you can't do. I totaly love my 2 F1's
I can export my own songs as loops and mas them up live. Making live mashups of popular songs and doing live remixes is now just a push of a button away
Leeanna Ayla
22.06.2012
Originally Posted by neilmcm
How do I switch the F1 to track deck mode , can't find it in the manual.
Section 4.12 starts on page 110.
Rey Holubar
20.06.2012
Also, @BigTimber - Try also setting the auto gain setting for the Mix Decks. That might help your volume issue straight off.

Originally Posted by quality control
That shift key on the F1 is money, I mean it absolutely changes everything and anything about the F1. The one part I do find as a downfall is the absolute endless arrays of buttons and features. I am finding it hard to remember all the combinations and ways to fix and adapt situations, constantly googling how to do this, or where to find that. They should have given a cheat sheet with this thing
It's not a cheat sheet, but this video is a pretty good tutorial.



And for those who have a Machine, here is also a great video.



scamo
Cody Mcnall
20.07.2012
I did the same thing going back and forth as well but i believe after jsut getting use to it for a while it will be good. I believe i might just use remix deck D jsut for my vocal drops and acapellas and deck C for my beats. But agreed theres so much I haven't played around with yet and im pretty pumped up for my new mix to use it in!
Cody Mcnall
20.07.2012
Im in the same boat i was pretty upset at first at the release of a new controller but I just got mine yesterday and the level of control/detail and flexibility they deisgned is ridiculous! I believe what I like about it the most is that it was so simple to use.....I knew how to work all the controllers in a bout and hour.....didnt test out the user map yet but I already have some ideas on how I want to midi map it so wel done on behalf of NI as the F1 is truely the best controller to use the new remix decks....have it paired up with my s2 and mikro so things are gonna get really messy!
Rey Holubar
09.07.2012
Ah, that should be possible. Just someone has to do it.

scamo
Verdell Garic
09.07.2012
I'm not talking about using the Mf's for the mix decks. I'm talking about taking the F1 and putting the midi fighter mappings on it, completely forgetting about the remix decks. It's got all the controls needed to emulate any one of the MF pro's. It might even be possible to do a mash-up of all of them onto one F1 controller.
Rey Holubar
09.07.2012
Yeah, you just need to get off of auto-master mode. That mode causes the "on-air" deck to take over as master automatically. That is great for track decks 99% of the time, but terrible for using the Mix Decks, if you don't want the Mix Deck to take over as master, which doesn't really seem right. However, if you have samples at the same BPM running, it really shouldn't be an issue....theoretically.

scamo
Cira Ditz
09.07.2012
Originally Posted by dfinch805
try setting a master clock that all 4 decks sync to in the top right under metronome? although for this you need to always be sitting at 1 bpm if you rely on sync button.
Thanks so much for the suggestion and I'll def look into that (I remember Ean did a tutorial mentioning the metronome a few weeks back but never had time to explore it.)

Have to say I was working on a mix over the weekend and was my first attempt with the remix decks, and the constant Master assignnig itself to the remix deck was a complete pain and so many times I had to keep clicking on A or B as while trying to find the best places to cut/blend I'd be stopping the main decks and my remix deck would just grab it every time. After two days was starting to get really annoying.

I'm sure (well, am'hoping') it's just how my preferences for my S4 and F1 are set though so will try and sort it out next weekend when have more time, but believe I'll give my F1 a miss for my Friday clubevening this week.
Rey Holubar
08.07.2012
You can't map any of the MFs to run an entire Mix Deck at this time. NI had decided to not enter the midi commands in the Controller Manager in Traktor 2.5. You'd need some other "hacking" to get it done.

scamo
Verdell Garic
08.07.2012
So has anyone mapped out the MF pro mappings for the F1? It's basically got everything needed for all the mappings... It'd be interesting to see.
Michell Wehrmeyer
08.07.2012
Originally Posted by Jane
Well I tried it out on my Friday evening along with my S4 and although it was fun did have one headache, but I believe that's more to I've not got it set up right rather than the unit.

My remix deck which was on the C deck of my S4 kept assigning itself as the Master which kept throwing out my syncs as my track decks A,B and D would loose the Master. Does any of you guys know how to make sure the sample/remix decks never become masters but always sync to track decks ?
try setting a master clock that all 4 decks sync to in the top right under metronome? although for this you need to always be sitting at 1 bpm if you rely on sync button.
Cira Ditz
08.07.2012
Well I tried it out on my Friday evening along with my S4 and although it was fun did have one headache, but I believe that's more to I've not got it set up right rather than the unit.

My remix deck which was on the C deck of my S4 kept assigning itself as the Master which kept throwing out my syncs as my track decks A,B and D would loose the Master. Does any of you guys know how to make sure the sample/remix decks never become masters but always sync to track decks ?
Shantae Faile
05.07.2012
Loving it. I've had it for A bit before it came out so I've had some time to be aquinted with it, and I've been using it at my gigs However, my hdd crashed on me some time ago so I lost my sample library (about 13 gb of samples) and a few remix sets that had a lot of irreplaceable samples. Needless to say, I had no recent backup.

The unit is genius, I've said that since i first got my hands on it. Got 2 already and believeing of getting another 2.
Cira Ditz
02.07.2012
Well I finally got mine at the weekend (has felt such a very long wait) and rather love it.

I had a quick go and all seemed exactly as was hoping for, and tried out some of the sample packs which were illustrative, but I quickly felt I need to make my own samples up. Also I def need to watch all those videos to get my head around all the modes and possibilities and I've already booked off thus and fri this week to have some time to get into it.

Looking forwards to putting together some sets with it, but one is def more than enough for me (plus I do sometimes use three decks)
Ashanti Andreacchio
28.06.2012
Originally Posted by scamo
Edit-/ yeah, call me an idiot for not reading the manual.

scamo
Hehe Who reads a manual :P when you put all of the F1 futures to use there little you can't do. I totaly love my 2 F1's
I can export my own songs as loops and mas them up live. Making live mashups of popular songs and doing live remixes is now just a push of a button away
Rey Holubar
28.06.2012
Whoah, Dudes and Dudettes! Who knew about the "Gate Mode"? Awesome. The explanation is towards the end of the video. I believe this is also something a lot of people where asking for and it was already there to begin with.



Edit-/ yeah, call me an idiot for not reading the manual.

scamo
Lynetta Stanislav
21.06.2012
Thanks tried it but my nothing seems to work , all the buttons are lit and no hot cues are working.
Leeanna Ayla
22.06.2012
Originally Posted by neilmcm
How do I switch the F1 to track deck mode , can't find it in the manual.
Section 4.12 starts on page 110.
Judi Sissel
22.06.2012
I know that 'shift' + 'browse/midi' defaults the pad into cue points? Not sure if thats is what you're looking for though.
Lynetta Stanislav
22.06.2012
How do I switch the F1 to track deck mode , can't find it in the manual.
Leota Dolney
20.06.2012
Loving my F1. Have been really enjoying playing with it. So far I am using it as a transition to mix out of "regular" tracks into some live remixing and then mixing back into another track in my set. By doing that, I can re-introduce certain sounds and beats throughout the mix and that helps add continuity to the mix as a whole.

I thought I would only use decks A&B as track decks and deck C as a remix deck and not really use deck D. But I am finding that I am using Deck D as a Remix deck and makes me wish I had another F1 to dedicate to it. Switching between them using one F1 is "easy", but I have messed things up a little switching back and forth when I thought that the volume fader on one slot was up when it was really down etc.


Overall though, I love it, but I am nowhere near using it to all it can do...yet.
Rey Holubar
20.06.2012
Also, @BigTimber - Try also setting the auto gain setting for the Mix Decks. That might help your volume issue straight off.

Originally Posted by quality control
That shift key on the F1 is money, I mean it absolutely changes everything and anything about the F1. The one part I do find as a downfall is the absolute endless arrays of buttons and features. I am finding it hard to remember all the combinations and ways to fix and adapt situations, constantly googling how to do this, or where to find that. They should have given a cheat sheet with this thing
It's not a cheat sheet, but this video is a pretty good tutorial.



And for those who have a Machine, here is also a great video.



scamo
Horacio Stranathan
19.06.2012
That shift key on the F1 is money, I mean it absolutely changes everything and anything about the F1. The one part I do find as a downfall is the absolute endless arrays of buttons and features. I am finding it hard to remember all the combinations and ways to fix and adapt situations, constantly googling how to do this, or where to find that. They should have given a cheat sheet with this thing
Tanisha Kaupe
19.06.2012
Thanks scamo, that's gonna change my whole perception of the device.
Rey Holubar
18.06.2012
Originally Posted by BigTimber
Has anyone else had issues with the volume of the remix decks being high enough? I might have A+B set too high for headroom, but when I take the remix decks to full volume, they're about 75% as loud as A+B, anyone have a suggestion on what the headroom should be for A+B? Or a way of leveling this out?

Oh and for the question of how it feels, it's super solid. It feels like you could bang the crap out of it. It's surprisingly steady.
You can change the overall volume quite easily and per Mix Deck slot. It is a cool feature as you can only control the overall gain of the Mix Deck with the gain knob.

How to do it.....

Press "Shift" on the F1, then pull down the volume fader(s) to about the level you believe the sound is too less. So if you say the Mix Decks are only about 75% of the needed volume, then lower the faders a 1/4 to a third of the way down. Then release the "Shift" button and you can now push up the faders and get more volume.

scamo
Horacio Stranathan
18.06.2012
I bought the F1 with the mindset that it is new, hot, and I could unload it by selling it for he same amount I paid in no time. I love this thing. I was so against NI releasing another piece of hardware, but I kind of understand why they did. If you used the remix decks with any other hardware I believe it would ruin the reputation of exactly how good these work and feel with the right hardware.

I haven't played too much, and I am trying to figure out how to save my maschine samples and create my own remix decks, and once I do that, it will be off the chain!
Tanisha Kaupe
18.06.2012
Has anyone else had issues with the volume of the remix decks being high enough? I might have A+B set too high for headroom, but when I take the remix decks to full volume, they're about 75% as loud as A+B, anyone have a suggestion on what the headroom should be for A+B? Or a way of leveling this out?

Oh and for the question of how it feels, it's super solid. It feels like you could bang the crap out of it. It's surprisingly steady.
Ashanti Andreacchio
15.06.2012
Just ordered mine today and should get it next friday I hope. Been messing around with the Lemur mapping witch is nice but I love to feel the buttons I'll probalby export some of my songs as individual loops from Reason and triger the loops live insted of just pressing play
Cliff Lohman
15.06.2012
Also, I LOVE the midi mode where you can get the colors on the hotcues.. this looks great and is super useful for knowing whats what.. I do hope they give the ability to utilize more colors on the hotcues down the road. Or at least give us one more type of hotcue with a different color. If I had yellow for load, blue for hotcue drums, red for hotcue highs/vox, green for loops - I would be pretty satisfied. But I'll live with the 3 current ones for now
Cliff Lohman
15.06.2012
Like the F1 more than I thought I would..

My only gripe at the moment is the stiffness of the pads.. whatsup with that? I wonder if theyll get broken in after a while? Right now, you really got bash the button to get it to trigger the hotcue. 2+ finger 'drumming' is tough to get on time. Im finding I need to use two hands to do a rapid fire trigger..

I dont see anywhere in settings where you can adjust sensitivity. Wtf? This seems like something NI would have/should have nailed like they did with the X1 buttons. I realize the pads arent velocity sensitive but neither are the X1.

Im so used to the X1 which I believe has the absolute PERFECT feel for buttons used for hotcues, etc. My friend gave me it and it was used for a few months so I have no idea if that is also just as stiff when brand new. Or maybe this is wishful believeing

What does everybody else believe of the pad stiffness/responsiveness?
Leeanna Ayla
15.06.2012
Do you have the save sample setting checked in preferences?
Tamra Millus
15.06.2012
I love my F1 but I'm going crazy!
Cant save my captured samples! I do like in all tutorials and i was able to capture a sample from a song, and when i save the set the sample is gone! What am i doing wrong?!
Rey Holubar
15.06.2012
Hehe, then put the F1 in Vegas mode. At least then it will look real good.

scamo
Elissa Zubal
15.06.2012
Originally Posted by scamo
Hey thanks Pop. I guess RTFM is the case here. (It should be set on as default.)

scamo
Agreed it should be on by default - I only found the setting because I couldn't get my one shots to work properly coming off a loop in the same bank of samples. Needless to say I didn't read the manual either!

First time performing with it toevening - not sure I've had enough practice so knowing me I'll use it once early doors and then be too scared to touch it once people are on the floor...
Rey Holubar
15.06.2012
Hey thanks Pop. I guess RTFM is the case here. (It should be set on as default.)

scamo
Elissa Zubal
15.06.2012
Originally Posted by scamo
yep, although NI put a lot of thought into the F1, there are still some oversights that need improving.

1. Not being able to start a one-shot, when the slot is in punch mode. One shots should just ignore punch mode.

scamo
There's a setting buried in the Remix Deck Preferences for this - look for "One-Shot Samples Ignore Punch Mode".

Loving the F1 - needs a real time investment in terms of prep to put together good remix sets, but even just being able to capture a page of loops from various tracks to be fired off as needed is really very useful indeed.
Rey Holubar
13.06.2012
The action now is like cueing up a track, isn't it? If you aren't using quantize, then having the sample stop on the second press of the button wouldn't seem right to me. Maybe the Quantize should control the functionality being suggested?

So...

Quantize on: Press once, sample starts - Press twice, sample stops
Quantize off: Press once, sample starts - Press twice, sample restarts

Just believein...

scamo

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