Behringer Nox 606
Behringer Nox 606 Posted on: 17.02.2011 by Dana Ordinario What is everyone thoughts on this piece of gear. I have heard nothing but great things about the DDM4000 so as long as they haven't taken a giant leap backwards with the new model. I've been scouring the web and have not been able to get any kind of price on this. I am about to buy a new mixer I have been saving for a DDM4000 but if this is going to be released within the next few months I'll wait and save a little more. Has anyone heard whispers of a price/street date? | |
| Ralph Alderette 11.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by r08zy
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| Elmer Kindinger 13.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by nem0nic
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| Elmer Kindinger 13.04.2012 | Digging up an old thread instead of making a new one... I've had 2 NOX606's now, the first one had buttons falling off it straight out the box and the second one had lights that stop working after 3 days of owning it. I only used it once in those three days and the 'tap' BPM button on the FX unit stopped working when the mixer was turned on. It wouldn't bother me that much if I had abused the button but I never even used it. Needless to say I won't be buying another and will put the |
| Ralph Alderette 17.01.2013 | i don't remember a "Cue" button on the Microphone section, so prob not.. As for through the booth output, probably since it's just a copy of the Master output |
| Mickey Colfax 16.01.2013 | Cool thanks, How about the mic being output through the booth or not? Or through the heaphones when the cue mix is used? It'll be nice if it doesn't but I don't hold my breath |
| Ralph Alderette 12.01.2013 | ok so, without plugging a microphone in I noticed that the FX Assign knob at the top left of the mixer has a "Mic 1" channel assign |
| Mickey Colfax 11.01.2013 | Cheers bro It will be nice to know that it functions the same as the 92 before I pull the trigger and buy it. Obviously I'm not expecting it to sound the same as the xone, I'm expecting a fake Rolex type product but as long as it does me for 6+ months I'm happy |
| Ralph Alderette 11.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by r08zy
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| Mickey Colfax 10.01.2013 | Hi Guys I've got a couple of questions for owners of this mixer re: the mic inputs and booth outputs. Do the mics come through the booth output, I know this is a clone of a 92 which doesn't route the mic to booth, is this mixer the same? When a DJ uses the cue/mix knob does the mic come through that or is it purely routed to the master, record and aux outs? Also are the effects able to be routed to the mic channels alone? would be nice to have a little bit of echo on the mic. Thanks |
| Ralph Alderette 10.01.2013 | I just picked up a new NOX606 as well. Will be posting a review here soon |
| Laci Billingham 03.01.2013 | this mixer looks basically like a imitation xone 92, while the interface of this mixer looks super appealing i am scared of the build and sound quality. while i would be upgrading from a 100$ numark M6 i am still scared the jump in sound quality will not be worth it. with that in mind this is the most appealing option i have come across to upgrading my budget setup. |
| Marita Vahlkamp 02.01.2013 | Just purchased one of these from zzsounds. Right now, I can only play through the usb from my computer and am unsure if my mixer is broken or it's a software issue. Trying to put on the filters onto channel 1 (the only channel with usb input) and both Filter 1 and Filter 2 don't affect channel 1 at all. Can't find anything that would hint the usb input can't be used with the filters, and I don't have a way of testing if the filters work at all at the moment. Anyone with insight? |
| Lamonica Basenberg 16.04.2012 | I bought one of these last week... I returned it, the felling and sound was what i expected i'll be faithfull to my dear XONE:22 |
| Leeanna Ayla 15.04.2012 | I'm Seriously considering one of these, but haven't been able to find much real world usage reportson the web. I'm interested in hearing other first hand reports of the NOX 606. |
| Diogo Dj Dragão 15.04.2012 | It's probably either a gain stage issue or a ground loop. Either issue is easily fixable. I suggest that you give Behringer support a call. They can walk you through a fix. |
| Hellen Heelan 14.04.2012 | Hi, I have the new Nox 606 setup with 2 Reloop contour i Love the mixer but i can't use to record my mixes because the sound that come from the usb to Audacity is very bad so i connect the record out of the Nox in one channel of my VMS4 (Asio) and record soo good, can be a problem with the nox??? can you Help me to use my nox sound card to record?? [email protected] THANKS! |
| Elmer Kindinger 13.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by nem0nic
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| Diogo Dj Dragão 13.04.2012 | Hey mike, can you PM me and let me know where you bought them from? It would be appreciated. |
| Elmer Kindinger 13.04.2012 | Digging up an old thread instead of making a new one... I've had 2 NOX606's now, the first one had buttons falling off it straight out the box and the second one had lights that stop working after 3 days of owning it. I only used it once in those three days and the 'tap' BPM button on the FX unit stopped working when the mixer was turned on. It wouldn't bother me that much if I had abused the button but I never even used it. Needless to say I won't be buying another and will put the |
| Brunilda Kora 08.02.2012 | Groovy. |
| Diogo Dj Dragão 08.02.2012 | Yup - I agree. Noted! |
| Brunilda Kora 08.02.2012 | Great review, Konix!
Originally Posted by Konix
Nem0nic - take note! |
| Jacquie Whipp 07.02.2012 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txEI3l3W-pI&hd=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_1D28qKCXc&hd=1 Hey guys, sorry about the delay. Check out my little videos above. I did get to play around with the 606 for about a week, but ultimately had to return the mixer. Something was wrong with the mixer right out of the box. The right side filter frequency knob didn't work correctly, it seemed to jump to full cut at random spots when turning the knob. Probably a bad potentiometer. The left side's filter worked fine though, but I use filters pretty religiously so only having one working filter was something I couldn't accept. Overall though I did like the 606 and what it had to offer. Obviously it's a clone of the Xone:92. Pretty much button for button, knob for knob. So if you've ever played on the 92 you'll feel right at home. Pretty much same features and functions, with the inclusion of the FX. Unfortunately though, and probably pretty obvious being a Behringer, it's no where near the quality of the 92. Despite it's size, the mixer is light as a feather, much like the DDM-4000. I did open the mixer up to take a peak inside, and again like the DDM-4000, it's just one big, but thin PC board, and not much else. I believe the rack mount ears included in the box weigh more than the mixer itself. The top faceplate is a nice sturdy metal, however, I found the edges to be very rough and actually sharp. I actually scrapped and finger/hands several times from just my hand brushing up against the faceplate while using the crossfader and whatnot. It's like they didn't sand or smooth it down after they cut the faceplate out. Really wish they would have tapered or smooth the edges out. Being a 92 copy, the 606 features its famous 4-band EQ; a high, two mids, and a low. The EQ curves and cutoffs sounds quite different than the 92 though. The 606 has a low EQ cutoff of 50Hz, the 92's is 250Hz. This is a matter of preference, but I actually prefer the lower 50Hz cutoff. One thing I (and many others) didn't like on the 92 is its rather high 250Hz cutoff for the low EQ, it just takes out way too much of the track. And for reference also, the DJM-800/900's low EQ cutoff is 70Hz. Overall, I'd say the 606's EQ sounds more closer to the DJM's than the 92's. The EQ knobs themselves have a nice rubber feel a la DJM-800, and good resistance when turning them. However, all the pot stems are plastic, and as such, there's a good bit of wobble to the knobs and overall plasticly feeling. Unlike the 92 though, there's good spacing between the EQ knobs so your fingers won't be cramped. The LED meters for the channels don't have any indicators, so you really don't know where 0 is. It just goes from yellow to red. If you use the logic on most other mixers, then somewhere between the last yellow and first red should be 0. Well, at that point, I found the volume quite low in my headphone (I live an apartment, so I don't have any speakers and only play in my headphones). So I'd have to crank the gains quite high to get any decent sounding volume. Another thing that bothers me, and I found the same on the DDM-4000, is the gain knobs don't fully kill the music when turned down/left fully. Also, the cue/master knob for the headphone cue seems odd, when turned fully right, you should only hear the master signal (at least on all mixers I've used). I still heard a little bit of the cue channel/signal even with the knob fully right on master. Not a major issue, just slightly annoying. Next are the channel faders. Very light and plasticly feeling with a bit of wobble too unfortunately. Standard alpha faders, so they are prone to bleeding eventually. The crossfader though is an Infinium optical crossfader, and is one of the selling points of the entire NOX range. This felt pretty solid though unlike the channel faders. Adjustable tension too via a little screw when you take the fader cap off (screwdriver not included in the box). On to the filters and FX. Filters are good, but again, not nearly as good as the 92's. But just like the 92 though (and unfortunately, another major gripe with the 92), you get that little pop/clicking sound when you engage the filters, so try to engage them on beat to cover up the popping noise. I mostly only use the high pass filter anyway, so I usually just leave it always on. Adjustable resonance from mild to wild, but quite as much resonance on wild as the 92. LFO knob on the filters as well if you want a cyclic filter. Tap tempo button to tap it in to the beat. Worked as should. With FX, they are pre-fader unfortunately, just like on the DDM-4000, unless you have to effect set to the Master, then they are post fader. But if set to just and individual channel, they are pre-fader. So sorry scratch guys, no scratch echo or reverb outs for you. Kind of big oversight on Behringer I would believe, considering they put a "scratch" crossfader in there. As for the FX themselves, I particularly liked the tape echo and reverbs, but not nearly as good as the DDM-4000's effects, and quite cumbersome to use honestly, at least for the beat effects. I like the intensity fader as a dry/wet (could be longer though), but for whatever reasons, Behringer decided to make the beat amount a knob (labeled Frequency) with no indicators telling you where on the knob is which beat amount (e.g. 1/2, 1/1, etc.). So you either have to just get to know where on the knob each beat increment starts/ends, or cue the effect prior to applying it and dial it in. Maybe with enough practice you can set the beat correctly on the fly, but I couldn't. Certainly not a simple as using the FX on the Pioneer DJM mixers. Other oddities I noticed is the flanger and phaser effects don't start at the top of their cycles. You know, as with the DJM mixers, when you engage the flanger or phaser, they start at the top of their cycle when you push the big glowing on button and go through the cycle to whatever beat amount you have set. Not the case with the 606, they just seem to start randomly somewhere in the middle of the cycle. Unless of course you tap the beat in prior via the tap button then it seems to start on cycle, but then that throws the beat amount off on the knob and you have to adjust it again. The non-beat effects though are strait forward enough to use. These include the reverbs, filters, vocoder and limiter-distortion. I liked the reverbs and probably used those the most. Sounded pretty good actually. There's really no need to the extra filters in the FX section on the 606 as you have dual filters already (well, only one in my case ), really wished Behringer would have swapped these out with different ones on the 606. But the FX filters sound quite different than the channel filters. Much more digital sounding. The limiter-distortion effects is pretty much useless. The vocoder is only really good for vocals and didn't play around with that one much. So overall, the beat effects (echos, flanger and phaser) seemed quite troublesome to use on the fly and get sounding right. I really wished they would have used buttons for the beat amount or even just a simple notched knob selector, this would make using the beat effects much easier. In comparison, the DDM-4000's effects sound much better, more options, and a lot easier to use in practice. Onto the MIDI and soundcard. The MIDI is fairly limited in comparison to the DDM-4000. The 606 sends MIDI clock data, and only a few buttons and knobs and the crossfader only send MIDI controls. To be honest, I didn't test the MIDI out as it does not work over the USB connection, only through the 5-pin DIN connector, and I don't have DIN to USB (M-Audio UNO) cable anymore. The soundcard is a good bonus though. Makes it super easy to record your set. It's just a generic USB Audio Codec driver, so nothing to install, just plug it in an select that as the soundcard in Audacity, Soundforge, Adobe Audition, or whatever program and record away. Recordings sounded good (see FX demo video, the audio was recorded this way). Most people are using either Traktor or Serato these days, so it might be a little redundant. I mainly use Scratch Live, but I don't like recording in SL. Plus I end up opening the recording anyway in a wave editor program to normalize, split the tracks up, etc., so might as well skip Serato all together and just record strait into the wave editor. The soundcard can also be used for playback from most programs. Though only on channel 1 on the mixer. It's just a 2-in/2-out soundcard though, so no DVS capabilities. Good if you just want to playback a song from iTunes or something. Well, you can use it with Traktor or Ableton of course, but you'd have to sum all the decks/channels to just that one output. I believe that about covers it all. Overall, I believe the 606 is a decent mixer for the price (I paid $339 on price match), but compared to the DDM-4000, I believe the DDM-4000 is still the better mixer from Behringer. You get a lot more features and functionality for roughly the same price. Actually cheaper for me, I got the DDM-4000 for $299 when it first came out. Used DDM's go for cheaper than that. Just a few things I would have liked to see on the 606: *Effects could easier to use *Post fader effects when set to channel and not master *MIDI over USB *Gains fully kill music *Better level meters Questions, comments, concerns? |
| Kristofer Krauel 31.01.2012 |
Originally Posted by Konix
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| Eve Muehring 31.01.2012 | Hi, I'm new to this community
and would like to ask a question addressed to the mixer behringer nox606 into question. It should connect to the computer via usb-midi because the mixer has midi un'out, and map it with traktor pro, since I own a novation of the launchpad already mapped by me in the past, I would like to use as my launchpad and four deck Behringer mixers on nox606. Now I ask you to map each button and faders with this connection? I await an answer as it is urgent! Regards, Daniel. ps: I am Italian and I do not know if the translation is the best! |
| Jazmin Sumara 28.01.2012 |
Originally Posted by Konix
Thanks! |
| Diogo Dj Dragão 11.01.2012 |
...we should see some new shinny things from Behringer in 2013.
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| Lisa Lochotzki 11.01.2012 | And now that the Numark's head is now for Behringer (http://www.skratchworx.com/newspage....nts&fn_id=1873), we should see some new shinny things from Behringer in 2013. Nothing bad about Behringer, it's another level, another competitor, competition is good and healthy. |
| Jacquie Whipp 11.01.2012 | Bringing this thread back from the dead, a lot of places (in the USA at least) now have the NOX606 in stock and ready to ship. So I just ordered one from zZounds. Priced matched it to $349 (regularly $399), and they beat by $10. So for $339, and free ground shipping...can't go wrong there. And zZounds has a no questions asked 30-day return policy. So even if it sucks or I just plain don't like it, I can send it back for a full refund (minus shipping of course, unless it's DOA). At $339, don't really have much to lose either way. I took a gamble with the DDM-4000 when it came out and was thoroughly impressed with it, and from the sound of things and a few positive reviews I've seen/heard on the NOX404 already, the NOX606 should be a winner. I imagine Behringer is going to sell a heck of a lot of NOX606s, much like the DDM-4000. I'll have my thoughts, reviews and demo videos up some time next week after I get it and play around with it for a few days. |
| Shelia Daurora 25.10.2011 | It's great to see a product developer posting in an online community
. I'm believeing of getting a nox303 and have a couple questions. First, a softball: how would you compare the audio fidelity of the nox mixer to a Xone or Pioneer? Typically the club guys make big frowns at anything that's not their favorite brand, but is there anything to that? Second, am I right that the USB Audio interface is not meant for high-end use? So I shouldn't expect low latencies or high sample rates? |
| Diogo Dj Dragão 03.10.2011 |
I do take offence to your comment, not what I would expect from a rep.
The person that told me about the changes was the head of customer support for Germany ...and it was he who informed me of the staffing changes (which resulted in quite a few complaints from customers due to the German staff being given notice and the support levels dropping for a while - I can include the email if you like, but it doesn't show you in a good light and I promised not to publish it).
As for the DSP's you didn't design them, and you don't own their patents
It wasn't my intention to offend you - simply to point out that you have no idea what is running on those DSPs, or how many resources are left. So you're in no position to trivialize how they're currently being used. If that puts a bee in your bonnet, I can't help that. I'm just answering the questions being asked. |
| Faustino Stringfellow 02.10.2011 | I do take offence to your comment, not what I would expect from a rep. The person that told me about the changes was the head of customer support for Germany ...and it was he who informed me of the staffing changes (which resulted in quite a few complaints from customers due to the German staff being given notice and the support levels dropping for a while - I can include the email if you like, but it doesn't show you in a good light and I promised not to publish it). As for the DSP's you didn't design them, and you don't own their patents ... they are in other gear so not only your engineers know what they do .... perhaps I do know what they are capable of, perhaps it's my electronics engineering degree that allows me to know .... I am not a school kid, but a veteran with 25 years experience .. ANYONE want to buy A DDM4000? Not sure if i still want to be a customer |
| Patty Mcgilbra 02.10.2011 | are there any reviews out or when do you believe some might come up? really interssted to see how the NOX 606 performs even though I only really need 4 channels but at that price I'll take the 2 extra ones |
| Diogo Dj Dragão 02.10.2011 |
We are probably flogging a dead horse here, the Behringer group underwent a huge structural change a year or so back, and many of the engineers i would chat with are now long gone.
The German office hasn't lost any more personnel than would be expected of any large company in a year. We didn't make some massive move to China or India as you imply. Behringer is a company with over 4000 employees, and we have major offices in at least 6 countries. Of course the biggest facility is the factory, but product development doesn't happen there. The base for Behringer product development is in the US office in Seattle (where I work). The office in Germany was always and continues to be research and development. What I believe you might be referring to is that we consolidated all of the tier 1 tech support to our Seattle office (which is staffed with multi-lingual personnel for nearly 18 hours a day). The handful of support guys in Germany were spread too thin, so we moved the bulk of the calls to the US and have Andy and Rolf and those guys working primarily on tier 2 support issues. But they're still with us, and they're still in Germany.
Those Blackfin DSP's are not really used to their full advantage (IMHO) outlined here on a very old page
Unfortunately the NOX series isn't what i'm looking for as an upgrade ... i'll stick with the DDM4000
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| Diogo Dj Dragão 02.10.2011 |
I used to have long talks with Germany (before they sent them all off to India/China - can't remember where they were all sent.
These are improvements that could give your unit a higher street value...
...but I'm pretty sure flashing the firmware with your own code voids the warranty in any case so they wouldn't have to support it per se.
...aren't these things usually installed on standard sized chips?
...I would pay extra for an update that fixed annoyances and added functionality.
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| Faustino Stringfellow 02.10.2011 | We are probably flogging a dead horse here, the Behringer group underwent a huge structural change a year or so back, and many of the engineers i would chat with are now long gone. It's great to see they are developing new kit, but as the DDM4000 is the only MIDI capable mixer in the line (and is promoted as their only Professional mixer), it would be nice to have it working as well as it could ... Those Blackfin DSP's are not really used to their full advantage (IMHO) outlined here on a very old page http://community .speakerplans.com/inside...opic23217.html but even if you did nothing, it's still a great mixer and i've not had a reason to complain .. unlike the Pioneer 800, ADJ VMS4, Denon SC & MC, Audio 8 ........... Unfortunately the NOX series isn't what i'm looking for as an upgrade ... i'll stick with the DDM4000 |
| Danae Dumler 02.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by nem0nic
In the meantime this is a big boost for companies that do get this right, like A+H. Of course for what they charge for a mixer they can afford to do it right, and the user is more justified in expecting that. |
| Faustino Stringfellow 02.10.2011 | It is something the users have been asking for from the start though, I can see his point. I used to have long talks with Germany (before they sent them all off to India/China - can't remember where they were all sent. I even had one of the very first green LED unit's to replace my blue LED one (excellent 24 hour service BTW). I gave my suggestions to them and they were compiling a list of software improvements to issue later (so i know something was been worked on) ..... These are improvements that could give your unit a higher street value, remember how people used to instantly say Berry's are crap, without even using one ... now they have and they realise it's quite a beast. Now to make that beast loveable ..... I'd even pay for the upgrade if if did two things (1) setting saving, (2) reworked filter ...turn left LP, turn right HP. |
| Diogo Dj Dragão 02.10.2011 | I understand the feeling behind your post, but what you're asking for isn't as easy as you make it out to be. You're talking like it's just a software update, and the only thing missing is the will or the personnel. This is NOT the case. When a product is specified, it's typically made to sell at a specific price point. Typically manufacturers don't over qualify their products (or at least not by much). So in most cases, it's not possible to change the firmware at all if it alters the size. You have a VERY finite space to work in. So if a major change is needed, sometimes whole sections of code need to be rewritten - even if they work - in order to fit something else in. That takes up a lot of manpower and costs a lot of money. It can be a lot easier to just start from scratch with a new product. Open sourcing the firmware might also sound like a great idea, but when a company is responsible for SUPPORTING that product, it's a evening mare. And in some cases you legally can't deny support. |
| Danae Dumler 01.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by JSM
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