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To all of you complaining that the dubstep scene isn't what it used to be
Posted on: 11.02.2012 by Nereida Jasnoch
Every once in a while on the internet (DJTT included) I see these people complaining on how the dubstep scene changed the last decade. If you count yourself among these people I have something to say to you.

Last evening I went to a dubstep party (like I tend to do every couple of weeks) and I just want to describe the atmosphere there.
The booth: Not separated from the crowd in any way, you could look over the DJ 's shoulder. Technics 1200 at the ready. There were also CDJ-1000s but they saw a lot less action.
The crowd: Not a single frat boy in sight. However there was one douchebag that insulted my friend once because he had long hair. But for the most part really cool "alternative" people. Loads of weed though, but you won't hear me complaining about that.
The music: To give you a rough idea, there was a lot of older skream, coki, mala, digital mystikz played.

If I had stepped into a time machine I would have assumed I was in London in 2004 but actually I was in Leuven in 2012. So people complaining about the artist who must not be named or anything similar or if you post the picture below in threads, please for the love of god, stop your bitching.

TL;DR: Read it all or don't bother, have a nice day.

Lashawn Maycock
17.09.2012
Originally Posted by Cybertrash
Personally I love dubplate culture, it helps keeping things fresh, guarantees everyone isn't playing all the same stuff.
Definitely, the strong dubplate culture in D&B & UKG (including Dubstep) is great and frustrating at the same time, it helps fuel fresh music as becoming a producer as well as a DJ can open up channels to get exclusive tracks, but this also means months of waiting for a full, if ever, release. The DJ's therefore remain the taste makers to some extent unlike other dance music genres in which tracks are immediately available for every man and his dog, where there are a lot of DJ's 'sounding the same' having downloaded the latest top10 off Beatport etc. Long live the dubplate, promo, track swapping culture!!
Evelyn Navarijo
17.09.2012
Originally Posted by PsycoCarrot
I'm definitely jealous. I'd say if I were to go way out of my way to attend a evening , it would be for Mala or Youngsta.

I wish dubstep didn't have that whole "dubplate culture" thing going on. I get it, but I don't use turntables, so my access to several artists' music is restricted to me due to vinyl-only releases.
Personally I love dubplate culture, it helps keeping things fresh, guarantees everyone isn't playing all the same stuff.
Nereida Jasnoch
16.09.2012
Originally Posted by Cybertrash
Shame some people don't know how to act in a dance tho
Please refer to this instructional video:

Alvaro Kuczewski
16.09.2012
Originally Posted by Cybertrash
Saw Mala last evening . Was huge. Shame some people don't know how to act in a dance tho
I'm definitely jealous. I'd say if I were to go way out of my way to attend a evening , it would be for Mala or Youngsta.

I wish dubstep didn't have that whole "dubplate culture" thing going on. I get it, but I don't use turntables, so my access to several artists' music is restricted to me due to vinyl-only releases.
Matt Kane
17.09.2012
Originally Posted by Cybertrash
Saw Mala last evening . Was huge. Shame some people don't know how to act in a dance tho
seen him countless times and i have to confess that he is one of the best acts ever to play dubstep! loving his style!
Stefania Herb
31.08.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou put on the Holy Needle. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Drop of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
gotta love me sum Python!
Nereida Jasnoch
23.08.2012
Originally Posted by wrong chris
i believe anyone who got to attend parties before 2008 should just feel fortunate that they got to enjoy the scene before the mainstream got it's slimy mitts allover it! :P
The whole reason I made this thread a long time ago (but not in a galaxy far, far away) is to disprove people like you making statements that "the good stuff" is gone.

I have to agree a little bit, we 're not in the "golden age" anymore. And part of that magic vibe that I wasn't able to experience, sadly, is also gone. Or at least it exists to a lesser extent.

BUT all of that doesn't matter, the good parties, the good people, the good atmosphere is still around to this day !

People who claim that the genre is practically dead are living in a lie. (a little over the top, but fuck it)



But don't take my word for it, believe whatever you want to believe, 90% of the people on this community just physically can't have a mature discussion about dubstep so whatever man, I don't even care anymore.



Want a tl;dr ?
Basicly this:

Erich Vallabhaneni
21.08.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou put on the Holy Needle. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Drop of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
gotta love a holy grail reference!!
Ione Mizelle
13.02.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou put on the Holy Needle. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Drop of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
Karlos' post was funny. This reply was divine. </rimshot>
Lashawn Maycock
17.09.2012
Originally Posted by Cybertrash
Personally I love dubplate culture, it helps keeping things fresh, guarantees everyone isn't playing all the same stuff.
Definitely, the strong dubplate culture in D&B & UKG (including Dubstep) is great and frustrating at the same time, it helps fuel fresh music as becoming a producer as well as a DJ can open up channels to get exclusive tracks, but this also means months of waiting for a full, if ever, release. The DJ's therefore remain the taste makers to some extent unlike other dance music genres in which tracks are immediately available for every man and his dog, where there are a lot of DJ's 'sounding the same' having downloaded the latest top10 off Beatport etc. Long live the dubplate, promo, track swapping culture!!
Evelyn Navarijo
17.09.2012
Originally Posted by PsycoCarrot
I'm definitely jealous. I'd say if I were to go way out of my way to attend a evening , it would be for Mala or Youngsta.

I wish dubstep didn't have that whole "dubplate culture" thing going on. I get it, but I don't use turntables, so my access to several artists' music is restricted to me due to vinyl-only releases.
Personally I love dubplate culture, it helps keeping things fresh, guarantees everyone isn't playing all the same stuff.
Nereida Jasnoch
16.09.2012
Originally Posted by Cybertrash
Shame some people don't know how to act in a dance tho
Please refer to this instructional video:

Alvaro Kuczewski
16.09.2012
Originally Posted by Cybertrash
Saw Mala last evening . Was huge. Shame some people don't know how to act in a dance tho
I'm definitely jealous. I'd say if I were to go way out of my way to attend a evening , it would be for Mala or Youngsta.

I wish dubstep didn't have that whole "dubplate culture" thing going on. I get it, but I don't use turntables, so my access to several artists' music is restricted to me due to vinyl-only releases.
Matt Kane
17.09.2012
Originally Posted by Cybertrash
Saw Mala last evening . Was huge. Shame some people don't know how to act in a dance tho
seen him countless times and i have to confess that he is one of the best acts ever to play dubstep! loving his style!
Evelyn Navarijo
15.09.2012		Saw Mala last evening . Was huge. Shame some people don't know how to act in a dance tho
Alvaro Kuczewski
14.09.2012		I just got into dubstep last year, where skrillex led me to skream and roots-ier dubstep. I enjoy that deep minimal vibe so much, it's actually the entire reason I'm learning to DJ. Listened to a few DJ Youngsta mixes, and it really inspired me.

My favorite artist at the moment is probably Truth, but the old classics like skream and digital mystikz will always be dons.

I'm a little bummed that I didn't get into it while it was still a growing scene, and also the fact that the nearest "proper" dubstep evening is 300 miles away.
Stefania Herb
31.08.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou put on the Holy Needle. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Drop of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
gotta love me sum Python!
Belen Wermes
23.08.2012		no worries mate.

i meant bassnectar used to be more fringe underground kind of party at smaller venues, now he plays to more mainstream crowd at huge concert venues.

maybe not the best example, he never really was one of those "real dubstep" guys like skream or benga.
Nereida Jasnoch
23.08.2012		^

Well to be honest the main thing I got from your post was, in essence, this:

pre-2008 = Good
2008-2012= Bad (well maybe not extremely bad, but at least worse)


And although my English is quite good, I have no idea what to make of "kind of a trip seeing bassnectar parties go from being a hippie/gypsy crowd to the teenage hipster crowd. used to be all hoola hoopers, dreadlocks and patchouli stank haha"

So yes you were right def a language barrier, on my end at least haha
Belen Wermes
23.08.2012		hold your horses there little partner. i did not say "the good stuff is gone" or that there are "no good parties anymore", don't put words in my mouth ... i was just illustrating one example of how things have changed and it wasn't from a haters perspective.

i notice you are from belgium so maybe it's a language barrier, but you've clearly misunderstood my point.

i'm happy that you found a party with good music on the weekend. yes they still exist, nobody suggested that they don't.
Nereida Jasnoch
23.08.2012
Originally Posted by wrong chris
i believe anyone who got to attend parties before 2008 should just feel fortunate that they got to enjoy the scene before the mainstream got it's slimy mitts allover it! :P
The whole reason I made this thread a long time ago (but not in a galaxy far, far away) is to disprove people like you making statements that "the good stuff" is gone.

I have to agree a little bit, we 're not in the "golden age" anymore. And part of that magic vibe that I wasn't able to experience, sadly, is also gone. Or at least it exists to a lesser extent.

BUT all of that doesn't matter, the good parties, the good people, the good atmosphere is still around to this day !

People who claim that the genre is practically dead are living in a lie. (a little over the top, but fuck it)



But don't take my word for it, believe whatever you want to believe, 90% of the people on this community just physically can't have a mature discussion about dubstep so whatever man, I don't even care anymore.



Want a tl;dr ?
Basicly this:

Belen Wermes
23.08.2012		kind of a trip seeing bassnectar parties go from being a hippie/gypsy crowd to the teenage hipster crowd. used to be all hoola hoopers, dreadlocks and patchouli stank haha

i believe anyone who got to attend parties before 2008 should just feel fortunate that they got to enjoy the scene before the mainstream got it's slimy mitts allover it! :P
Evelyn Navarijo
23.08.2012		Dubstep is a lot older than what most people believe, Tempa's first release was in 2000, and whilst it wasn't strictly Dubstep, one would be mad to say that it was entirely unrelated to Dubstep.

Anyway, I get what you're saying, stuff runs in cycles, the Dubstep scene has split in two, there's still good "original" stuff coming out (albeit not quite as boundry-pushing as it used to be) and the Brosteppers get their stuff (or so I'd imagine, I honestly have no idea), there's enough music for everyone.
Galina Mancinas
23.08.2012		Honestly I'm kind of blown away that the Dubstep scene has been around long enough to be going through this kind of turn, but trust me any scene that sticks around long enough to enjoy any kind of success goes through it.

I remember people believeing that Hip-Hop was ruining Black music in the early 80's.

I remember people believeing that my crowd was ruining Rock moshing to STP, Alice & Chains, Nirvana, etc.

I remember believeing that the BS, poppy, commercialized version of Rap\Hip-Hop was ruining Hip-Hop in the mid-late 90's.

I remember people believeing that stadium-y Trance (PVD, Tiesto, etc.) was ruining the vibe of Rave culture.

At this very moment it gets me that poppy Rihanna remixes and screechy ass Electro and "Radio-DJ's" being at shows screaming "Put your fucking hands up.." over actual DJ's are ruining House.

And you know what, all of those groups were probably right, yet we were (and continue) missing the point. Music moves forward, fans of a style get older, then a newer style which appeals to younger people comes along, scenes change. Music changes around you just as life changes around you. Poppy shit isn't ACTUALLY ruining House, I still find new House tracks every week that are fire.

My timeline is just really tripped out that people are now complaining that "new" Dubstep is ruining the Dubstep scene.
Erich Vallabhaneni
21.08.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou put on the Holy Needle. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Drop of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
gotta love a holy grail reference!!
Tesha Freudenstein
20.08.2012		i enjoy me a little brostep every once in a while. the following these guys have is really annoying though. a damned circle pit during every buildup? come on...half way through the evening you are more worried about defending yourself against moshing idiots than enjoying why you have originally come there.
Gino Henderlight
20.08.2012		The best answer when I'm seing people who want to mosh and listen to brostep is playing Coki ... works evertime
Reginia Tramble
13.02.2012		*coughcough*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9bgKm9RTq4
Ione Mizelle
13.02.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou put on the Holy Needle. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Drop of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
Karlos' post was funny. This reply was divine. </rimshot>
Nereida Jasnoch
14.02.2012		Wow this really blew up !
After all this was just an answer to "OMG, skrillex ruined dubstep" "Fuck you, good dubstep died in 2008" "Fucking retarted teens won't recognize good music when it's right in their faces"
I just wanted to state that this is not the case and just say that not all dubstep lovers,17 year olds like me or not, are like "Oh Em Gee, where 's the drop hurr durrr"

BUT more importantly, this is also not me hating on "brostep" as many people call it, I fucking love some doctor P tracks and hell there are even some tracks by skrillex that I can enjoy.

So I don't see what the fuss is about.
Danuta Freyholtz
13.02.2012		I like deeper dubstep and brostep. Though i do believe that people are getting ignorant of where the roots are, it pisses me off when people are like "Skrillex is da king of da dubstepz!" like half of his music isn't even dubstep. I do like skrillex's music put he should tell his fans to stop giving our nice deep dubstep a bad name. Also all you old-schoolers seem to believe that us teenagers only listen to brostep. That's narrow minded, here in france me and some friends managed through a couple of partys in some fields (I don't believe i should say "raves" cause it was darkstep and dubstep and there was only like 300 people) to convert practically the whole school over to dubstep, except theres no brostep listeners. My english might be bad, i'm french. It's a fucking awesome school now
Marguerite Salsedo
13.02.2012
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
I rest my case.


ORDER! Order in the court!
nayit ruiz jaramillo
12.02.2012
Originally Posted by MaxOne
I'll be defending myself your honour...
I rest my case.
Hipolito Scionti
12.02.2012
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos

I believe you have inadvertently invalidated the invalidation of this argument thus rendering it valid.
I'll be defending myself your honour...
nayit ruiz jaramillo
12.02.2012
Originally Posted by MyUsername
Basicly the whole point of this thread is just me wanting to say "Your argument is invalid"
and not necessarily get a discussion going that is just like the 1000 discussions that proceeded it.
You cant start a thread on a 'discussion community ' and not expect a discussion.

I believe you have inadvertently invalidated the invalidation of this argument thus rendering it valid.
Kasi Marget
11.02.2012
Originally Posted by Cybertrash
a lot of them [parties] have been plagued by 18-year olds who came there cause they wanted to hear Brostep, that get shitfaced real early, start moshing violently and generally makes life poor for everybody else.
Exactly.
I'm more a brostep guy than a "real" dubstep listener. I don't enjoy these deep wub wub wub.
Still, last evening I went to see Feed Me + others guests at a club in Paris. Moombahton/core warmup was nice, first 30 mins of one of the guests were nice too, then it started to get violent. After 1h of violent moshing when i was more busy about "protecting" one of my friend (girl) (you've obviously know what i mean. Creating an undestructible circle using the "fence" in the front row and your arms...) than enjoying the music, we stepped back from the first rows.
It was SO crowded and violent that we decided to leave around 3AM, ending not seeing Feed Me, which was the purpose of the party.

I'm seriously considering not going to clubs anymore unless I'm behing the decks. (or at least not for brostep parties, even though brostep is part of my favorites genre, along with "hard" electro and moombahcore)
Brunilda Kora
11.02.2012
Originally Posted by I 3> my username
Basicly the whole point of this thread is just me wanting to say "Your argument is invalid"
and not necessarily get a discussion going that is just like the 1000 discussions that proceeded it.
Have you heard you???
Nereida Jasnoch
11.02.2012		Basicly the whole point of this thread is just me wanting to say "Your argument is invalid"
and not necessarily get a discussion going that is just like the 1000 discussions that proceeded it.
Random X
11.02.2012		Release the Holy Handgrenade!
Evelyn Navarijo
11.02.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou put on the Holy Needle. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Drop of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.

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