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Pioneer xdj-r1?? Posted on: 07.05.2013 by Dannie Dimora I never heard of this "controller" up until someone in a thread here mentioned it and uploaded some photos. In case you haven't seen them, here they are: 2.JPG 3.JPG 4.JPG So it seems pioneer has gone the all-in-one route that numark and gemini have taken quite some time ago, But i'm just wondering. Is there a niche market for pioneer that's big enough to justify such a product? I understand it's rekordbox compatible and everything, but at probably the price of 2 cdj400 and a little mixer, will this market be big enough for pioneer to make a profit? Also, do you guys believe that since this thing is probably based off cdj400s, it will support HID in traktor?
Verlene Geevarghese 26.05.2013	This looks like a fantastic little system indeed. Hopefully it isn't more than a grand. Dropping gridded tracks wirelessly just sounds like a good time, and having the opportunity to fully utilize Rekordbox without spending 6 g's will be welcome.
Nila Ragonese 26.05.2013	June release
Leota Dolney 14.05.2013	Originally Posted by Polygon Great, thanks Thanks for the pictures. It looks like from the pictures, the 3 hot cue buttons have a 2nd mode for a "sampler". That is a very interesting addition. Unfortunately, it looks like it lost the Aero's "record to USB" functionality as I don't see a button for it. I'll be curious to see the specs and official features when it comes out...which, according to the site linked in the pictures (which may not be accurate at all), looks like it will be in June.
Ashanti Andreacchio 13.05.2013	it's got the sound color FX like the DJM800 now that kind of nice Hotcues or samples it looks like quite an update to the Aero after all
Norris Swartzfager 13.05.2013	Played with cdjs on a party last week (first time ever) and I finally get it. this would be a nice secondary setup to prepare on if you dont want, or cant lug all your gear around to your next gig.
Dannie Dimora 13.05.2013	Originally Posted by skjutar More pics: http://www.preciodj.es/pioneer/zona-...l#!prettyPhoto[gallery]/2/ Great, thanks
Vida Popejoy 13.05.2013	More pics: http://www.preciodj.es/pioneer/zona-...l#!prettyPhoto[gallery]/2/
Dannie Dimora 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 Waiting a second isn't so bad, but waiting 6+ seconds per track is just awful. Why bother with that when you can read straight from the CD instantly. The xdj-aero takes about 5 seconds to load a track from a mobile device.
Alphonso Deitchman 10.05.2013	Waiting a second isn't so bad, but waiting 6+ seconds per track is just awful. Why bother with that when you can read straight from the CD instantly.
Dannie Dimora 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 What if you want to play Track 3 for example? That would interrupt any buffering, and the track you choose can't even be buffered because that would just create more delays every time you load a track. There are plenty of reasons why this hasn't been implemented - even on the Nexus players. Loading a track is not that slow. Reading a whole cd at 52x usually takes less than a minute, divide that by an average of 10 tracks, and you have 6 seconds a song. Do you really need first-second loading times? Can you actually create a mix where you switch to a new track 6 seconds after the previous started? Also, that's why i said the first track is the only "problem" here, because after those 6 seconds the player would be available and could switch to track3 or 4 or 5 no problem.
Alphonso Deitchman 10.05.2013	What if you want to play Track 3 for example? That would interrupt any buffering, and the track you choose can't even be buffered because that would just create more delays every time you load a track. There are plenty of reasons why this hasn't been implemented - even on the Nexus players.
Dannie Dimora 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 Scratching, looping, and reverse can work just fine by reading from a CD. Why wouldn't it? There's no way they're going to cache whole uncompressed tracks at 1411kbps. LINK through CD does not work simply because you can't read from two positions at once on a disc. Just add a 1-2gb buffer to the unit, maybe loading the first track won't be instantaneous, but after that things should go pretty smoothly.
Alphonso Deitchman 10.05.2013	Scratching, looping, and reverse can work just fine by reading from a CD. Why wouldn't it? There's no way they're going to cache whole uncompressed tracks at 1411kbps. LINK through CD does not work simply because you can't read from two positions at once on a disc.
Dannie Dimora 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by dj gullum Yes one CD player. I believe this is going to be aimed at Wedding/mobile DJ witch sometime get handed a CD they have to play at their gig. But then again the R1 has line in so having maybe a CDJ350 or similar cheeper player could solw that problem for those who needed it. Yes but even a 350 weighs in at half the price of the whole r1, so what's the point in that? And if i were a wedding dj, i'd hate to have an "all in one " controller that needs another piece of hardware to suit my needs.
Dannie Dimora 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 You can't use LINK with CDs right now so I can't see how a 1 CD player system would work. Audio CDs in particular stream directly from the disc so you can't run 2 decks from 1 disc. If you don't want CD drives, get the Aero. Because it's an all-in-one unit. So no cables involved. Everything is controlled by one processor and one circuit board. Link doesn't work with cd's because it's not implemented, and i don't believe cdjs stream audio directly from cds (otherwise how would scratching or looping or reverse work?), so it wouldn't be hard at all for pioneer to implement it.
Alphonso Deitchman 10.05.2013	You can't use LINK with CDs right now so I can't see how a 1 CD player system would work. Audio CDs in particular stream directly from the disc so you can't run 2 decks from 1 disc. If you don't want CD drives, get the Aero.
Ashanti Andreacchio 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by Polygon Agreed. However, removing the CD units altogether would have made the differences between the aero and the r1 so small, that they would have to call it aero mkII, and people who bought the aero less than a year ago would be heavily dissatisfied. If i were pioneer i'd go with a 1 cd player solution.. Yes one CD player. I believe this is going to be aimed at Wedding/mobile DJ witch sometime get handed a CD they have to play at their gig. But then again the R1 has line in so having maybe a CDJ350 or similar cheeper player could solw that problem for those who needed it.
Dannie Dimora 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50 Sooo true.. I don't see why they bother to waste money on adding CDs. I guess because they're trying to stay true to the whole 'CDJ' thing, but does anyone actually still DJ with CDs??? The only reason why I could see you would still use CDs is if you have an older unit, but there's no reason to keep it on for newer gear ... Probably could have saved about 25-50 bucks by skipping the CD feature (and make it a whole lot smaller) Agreed. However, removing the CD units altogether would have made the differences between the aero and the r1 so small, that they would have to call it aero mkII, and people who bought the aero less than a year ago would be heavily dissatisfied. If i were pioneer i'd go with a 1 cd player solution..
Dannie Dimora 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 They don't include Send/Return on any of their low end mixers so I wouldn't expect it to appear on a budget-oriented all in one. Take a look at the facebook pictures, no send/return in sight.
Dedra Kreinbring 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50 Sooo true.. I don't see why they bother to waste money on adding CDs. I guess because they're trying to stay true to the whole 'CDJ' thing, but does anyone actually still DJ with CDs??? The only reason why I could see you would still use CDs is if you have an older unit, but there's no reason to keep it on for newer gear ... Probably could have saved about 25-50 bucks by skipping the CD feature (and make it a whole lot smaller) I agree yes and no for this. Lots of the clubs near me still only have CDJ 1000's (if I am lucky). I had a look in a booth the other day, and he was running 1 800 and 1 1000. The addition of CD's just gives the R1 the complete "learn at home how to play in a club" even if the club doesn't have the newest CDJ's. Just pioneer giving the R1 the biggest customer base possible. For me especially, I would want to be prepared for all situations, so I believe that is what it is trying to cover, even though the majority won't use it. Also it would allow people who have huge CD collections to use it, and not feel like they are buying a new product that makes their current media obsolete. This is just a bit of rationale of why they will have done it, although send / return was a big omission.
Leota Dolney 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50 Sooo true.. I don't see why they bother to waste money on adding CDs. I guess because they're trying to stay true to the whole 'CDJ' thing, but does anyone actually still DJ with CDs??? The only reason why I could see you would still use CDs is if you have an older unit, but there's no reason to keep it on for newer gear ... Probably could have saved about 25-50 bucks by skipping the CD feature (and make it a whole lot smaller) Someone will jump all over SlvrDragon50s statement and shout that "hey I still used CDJs, and a whole bunch of people in my area still uses CDs...this [insert name here] big name DJ still uses CDs..." But that is not the point. The point is that more of us including the local guys and a lot of the big name djs are moving toward the USB/Rekordbox model. Personally, I want to see a reaktion from Native Intruments on this. Traktor DJ for iPad proved that you don't need a full blown PC/laptop to perform and run traktor...especially if you are not using the DVS...since many of us play straight from digital files, the next logical step is a player that skips the middleman (sorry CDs) and just plays media files.
Gaynell Rydberg 09.05.2013	Originally Posted by DirtyNerd Funnily enough, I'm kind of disappointed that they added actual CD players to the unit. I kind of like that the aero is its own thing...similar workflow to CDJs, but without the need to be actual CD players...CDs will be around for a long time, but the trend does seem to be toward USB drives, Rekordbox and WiFi (new Remotebox maybe?)... I can see the appeal, practice at home with CDs or USB etc, then play out at the club with their gear ...but for me, CDs will be an unused feature. I would have rather seen that effort go to Send/Return to get integration with, say, an RMX1000. Sooo true.. I don't see why they bother to waste money on adding CDs. I guess because they're trying to stay true to the whole 'CDJ' thing, but does anyone actually still DJ with CDs??? The only reason why I could see you would still use CDs is if you have an older unit, but there's no reason to keep it on for newer gear ... Probably could have saved about 25-50 bucks by skipping the CD feature (and make it a whole lot smaller)
Rolanda Clodfelder 09.05.2013	Originally Posted by dj gullum But as a sale point of viwe it would not be stupid. you buy the R1 and not satified with the FX you buy an RMX-1000 for that Mobile Jocks and Hire Companies are gonna love these. However: WHEN WILL THIS JOKE WITH THE SHORT PITCH FADERS END? This !
Ashanti Andreacchio 09.05.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 They don't include Send/Return on any of their low end mixers so I wouldn't expect it to appear on a budget-oriented all in one. But as a sale point of viwe it would not be stupid. you buy the R1 and not satified with the FX you buy an RMX-1000 for that
Alphonso Deitchman 09.05.2013	They don't include Send/Return on any of their low end mixers so I wouldn't expect it to appear on a budget-oriented all in one.
Leota Dolney 09.05.2013	Originally Posted by HarryK Seems like a really fine unit, an all in one by Pioneer is a treat many people have been waiting for. However: WHEN WILL THIS JOKE WITH THE SHORT PITCH FADERS END? Seriously. . . Funnily enough, I'm kind of disappointed that they added actual CD players to the unit. I kind of like that the aero is its own thing...similar workflow to CDJs, but without the need to be actual CD players...CDs will be around for a long time, but the trend does seem to be toward USB drives, Rekordbox and WiFi (new Remotebox maybe?)... I can see the appeal, practice at home with CDs or USB etc, then play out at the club with their gear ...but for me, CDs will be an unused feature. I would have rather seen that effort go to Send/Return to get integration with, say, an RMX1000.
Corey Ganer 09.05.2013	Seems like a really fine unit, an all in one by Pioneer is a treat many people have been waiting for. However: WHEN WILL THIS JOKE WITH THE SHORT PITCH FADERS END? Seriously. . .
Leota Dolney 08.05.2013	Originally Posted by diezdiazgiant it's nice to see pioneer branching out. I'm not interested in this but I can see it being pretty useful for a number of people Agreed. It is nice to see some branching out. I liked it when NI put out the Z2. I like Pioneer putting out the XDJ-Aero and now this R1 device. Personally, I am interested in it. I mainly use Traktor, but want a "CDJ" setup at home for practice...I am not about to spend massive $$$ for a CDJ-2000 or even a CDJ-900 just to sit in my studio for practice. Some people may have that kind of spare change, but I don't. The Aero, and possibly this R1 can be used at home for practice, and also (at least the aero) seems reasonably sized to take out if need be.
Rebbecca Fennell 08.05.2013	it's nice to see pioneer branching out. I'm not interested in this but I can see it being pretty useful for a number of people
Leota Dolney 08.05.2013	Originally Posted by haze324 https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pione...52905784725808 Thanks for the link! Booth Out is nice...Send/Return would be good...but I am skeptical that it would be included..I hope i'm wrong.
John Aird 08.05.2013	Originally Posted by xs2man I would love to see it output the individual "sides" seperately so I could use it simply as separate sources and let my DB4 do the mixing. Well, you could do that by send one player through the phones out and the other through master out... If you use Traktor, usb to DB4 for the sound and use the R1 as midi deck controls and map the mixer section as traktor fx control...
Dannie Dimora 08.05.2013	Originally Posted by haze324 https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pione...52905784725808 Aw shoot, no fx send/return...
Julissa Serrone 08.05.2013	https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pione...52905784725808
Leota Dolney 08.05.2013	Originally Posted by haze324 there's some pics on facebook it has booth out. Couldn't tell if the other rca's were send/return. Looks like a sweet rig. Do you have link to those pics or the FB post by any chance?
Julissa Serrone 08.05.2013	there's some pics on facebook it has booth out. Couldn't tell if the other rca's were send/return. Looks like a sweet rig.
Leota Dolney 08.05.2013	Originally Posted by Polygon Yeah i noticed that. Maybe it's a 2way version of rekordbox on which you can import tracks from the cd player to a mobile device, and set the cue points there.. I did notice the "Remotebox:...but the XDJ-R1 does seem to be mentioned my name in the Pioneer Rekordbox PDF Manual...so not sure what "Remotebox" will be.
Dannie Dimora 08.05.2013	Oh yeah and the platters should be exactly the same dimension as the ddj-sx, since the outer rim looks identical.
Dannie Dimora 08.05.2013	Originally Posted by OmniRoss Yeah this. I'd seriously consider this if I did regular house parties. It'd just be so convenient. Anyone notice 'Remotebox' instead of Rekordbox? Yeah i noticed that. Maybe it's a 2way version of rekordbox on which you can import tracks from the cd player to a mobile device, and set the cue points there..
Annalisa Shogren 08.05.2013	Originally Posted by DirtyNerd What i'd love to see added: Hot cues (already there by all appearances) Send/Return Booth Output add track markers to mix record as in the DJM-350 Yeah this. I'd seriously consider this if I did regular house parties. It'd just be so convenient. Anyone notice 'Remotebox' instead of Rekordbox?
Tamela Batara 08.05.2013	I would love to see it output the individual "sides" seperately so I could use it simply as separate sources and let my DB4 do the mixing.

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