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Pioneer xdj-r1?? Posted on: 07.05.2013 by Dannie Dimora I never heard of this "controller" up until someone in a thread here mentioned it and uploaded some photos. In case you haven't seen them, here they are: 2.JPG 3.JPG 4.JPG So it seems pioneer has gone the all-in-one route that numark and gemini have taken quite some time ago, But i'm just wondering. Is there a niche market for pioneer that's big enough to justify such a product? I understand it's rekordbox compatible and everything, but at probably the price of 2 cdj400 and a little mixer, will this market be big enough for pioneer to make a profit? Also, do you guys believe that since this thing is probably based off cdj400s, it will support HID in traktor?
Norris Swartzfager 31.05.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign Just to clarify, it's $1099; with regional UK inflation it'll probably be
Dannie Dimora 31.05.2013	Originally Posted by bieberatemytaco I must have missed the answer to this, but does this unit have quantized looping? if analyzed with rekordbox then yes.
Verlene Geevarghese 31.05.2013	Originally Posted by bieberatemytaco I must have missed the answer to this, but does this unit have quantized looping? Si
Anissa Perusek 31.05.2013	I must have missed the answer to this, but does this unit have quantized looping?
Dannie Dimora 31.05.2013	Originally Posted by donstone $899 MAP on this at a few stores already. Defintitely adding one of these thing ASAP to my gear. Anyone want an S4 with case? how much? :P
Oretha Afful 31.05.2013	$899 MAP on this at a few stores already. Defintitely adding one of these thing ASAP to my gear. Anyone want an S4 with case?
Tamela Batara 31.05.2013	Originally Posted by Jane ah - ok found some answers on the various videos now up on youtube. There's this comparison video which mentions there may well be a traktor TSI later on (down in the comments below) So basically the Aero if you want a wee toy for parties, and the R1 if you want a serious machine then?
Dannie Dimora 31.05.2013	Originally Posted by guiltyblade the 350 feels like there is damn sand underneath. This, my primary complaint with all cdj's that aren't in the 900-2000 range.
Cira Ditz 31.05.2013	ah - ok found some answers on the various videos now up on youtube. There's this comparison video which mentions there may well be a traktor TSI later on (down in the comments below)
Cira Ditz 31.05.2013	also - I can't seem to see if the R1's beat effects work post fader ? That was def one of the things I loved about the AERO that the echo trails would carry on after closing the fader down
Cira Ditz 31.05.2013	I'm planning on putting down a deposit on this or a white AERO this weekend (sadly had to sell all my CDJ/DJM/RMX a few weeks back to pay for the loss I made on a recent festival I put on - went well but sadly and painfully not well enough) It feels like both units have a lot in common but also each has certain plus points. Am just trying to remember from when I used an AERO a few months back what were the things the R1 doesn't have. So far my list is: - jog drum mode - rekorbox wifi streaming from ios/android app or laptop - 4 sample buttons (R1 has three) - Traktor TSI (handy as I've still got a version of Pro 2 I use a fair bit, but I prefer using Rekordbox prepped tracks and a hardware mixer) - Record direct to USB stick am I missing anything else ?? Biggest downer for me about the AERO is lack of hotcue buttons without using traktor, but tbh I can work around it With the R1 I'm loving the on/off buttons for the colour effects, the CD players are a very handy addition, and the Remotebox app is something that looks a lot of fun (especially the XY things - great way to have a few DJM 2000-like mixing options). And hotcues are a BIG welcome addition for me. Just can't decide which to go for - this'll likely be my main device for a year or so until I can save again to get back the DJM/CDJ/RMX I sadly had to sell so want to make the right choice.
Leota Dolney 30.05.2013	I mentioned this before it was officially released, but if it had send/return loop for use with an RMX1000, this would have definitely been a serious contender for me.
Alla Bluemke 30.05.2013	If the jogs are like the aero they will actually be pretty good. The aero's jogs aren't too bad at all. Much much better then the 350, the 350 feels like there is damn sand underneath.
Oretha Afful 30.05.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign Just to clarify, it's $1099; with regional UK inflation it'll probably be
Alphonso Deitchman 30.05.2013	So you didn't even look at the device pictures before making those complaints? The CDJ 350 also has a slot on the front to compare to, and its jog wheel seems similar in diameter to the XDJ R1. That must mean it has "tiny and reasonable" jog wheels, right?
Doreen Schurle 30.05.2013	Originally Posted by Polygon No , sorry to disagree but they are completely different. They are capacitive and MUCH smoother than the 400. They basically are the same as the ddj-sx (you can see this since they are identical on the sides) without the led rings. Actually, judging by the CD slot on the front, they look like 6 inch jogwheels which is a lot more reasonable tbh.
Verlene Geevarghese 30.05.2013	The Pioneer XDJ-R1 looks similar to the previous model in the XDJ range, the XDJ-Aero. But whereas the XDJ-Aero can stream music wirelessly from any device running Rekordbox, the XDJ-R1 drops that capability, instead adding the ability to remote control the unit from any iPad, iPhone or iPod touch. I just don't understand this. Pioneer is always finding a way to make you pick and choose between one device or another for crucial features. They REALLY believe about how they can avoid cannabalizing sales for their hardware, and while I understand it for the CDJ's, I don't get it here. Remotebox is the 'killer feature' of this unit. Let me stream tracks from my laptop.
Dannie Dimora 30.05.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign I've used the 350s, they're tiny. And aside from a change to the bevelling on the edges, the R1's are the same. No , sorry to disagree but they are completely different. They are capacitive and MUCH smoother than the 400. They basically are the same as the ddj-sx (you can see this since they are identical on the sides) without the led rings.
Doreen Schurle 30.05.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 The 350 jogs don't look that tiny to me. And the XDJ R1 jogs are clearly not the ones used on the 350s. Has anything you've contributed to this thread actually been genuine? The only thing you need an Ipad for is the X-Y FX. Everything else can be achieved directly on the player, besides randomly switching between non-sequential loop sizes. I've used the 350s, they're tiny. And aside from a change to the bevelling on the edges, the R1's are the same.
Alphonso Deitchman 30.05.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign Don't get me wrong, it's more sensible than buying a pair of CDJ350s, but don't forget it uses those tiny jogwheels from the 350s. The 350 jogs don't look that tiny to me. And the XDJ R1 jogs are clearly not the ones used on the 350s. Has anything you've contributed to this thread actually been genuine? The only thing you need an Ipad for is the X-Y FX. Everything else can be achieved directly on the player, besides randomly switching between non-sequential loop sizes.
Doreen Schurle 30.05.2013	Just to clarify, it's $1099; with regional UK inflation it'll probably be
Jeffrey Akinsanya 30.05.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign I'm not saying it renders it useless, just that to use some of its features - the important features for some people tbh - you have to buy an iPad as well. does alot more than the competition does without the need for a laptop. quantised loops are within the Rekordbox software it "analyses" the mp3s which you then export to allow quantisation... there is no reason you would need a ipad for this.
Alfredo Tooher 30.05.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign Watch the video, the guy clearly states there are features which are ONLY accessible using the RemoteBox software. EDIT: Needle search, instant autoloop (of anything other than 4 beats), XY FX, searching for tracks, etc. watched video, features you can do on iPad progress bar to quickly jump to a part of a track, you can still use the FF and RW buttons on R1 though to search auto loop quickly around from 2 to 8 to 4 etc...... but you can still select a sized loop on the R1 with the rotary and jump up or down between them effects - you have more control IF you use the iPad but you still have good effects without the iPad I'm not saying it renders it useless, just that to use some of its features - the important features for some people tbh - you have to buy an iPad as well. the rendering useless was from another post also but it was a misunderstanding, he wasnt saying it was totally useless I do agree to some people they ARE important features that can make or break the user from buying the unit, But for most, I would believe it's fine the way it is, Plus so many people have iPhones or iPads and i am sure this will be on Droid also, so its not asking a lot to have the device plugged in. for under $1000, I believe the unit is great and worth it, I personally will not own one, there are features keeping me from buying it that I don't like but for someone looking into the controller world, this thing is definitely pretty cool ESPECIALLY if Serato and Traktor put out mappings for it
Doreen Schurle 30.05.2013	Originally Posted by brichi right, quantized looping is not one of them and maybe the 1 or 2 tricks you can do with the iPad but that doesnt render the deck useless if you dont own an iPad I'm not saying it renders it useless, just that to use some of its features - the important features for some people tbh - you have to buy an iPad as well.
Alfredo Tooher 30.05.2013	right, quantized looping is not one of them and maybe the 1 or 2 tricks you can do with the iPad but that doesnt render the deck useless if you dont own an iPad
Doreen Schurle 30.05.2013	Originally Posted by brichi and just to answer the quote above of you can do quantized looping with no iPad just so you know. A RB analyzed exported track on a usb drive is quantized on the R1 by turning it on on the deck (shift+time button) Watch the video, the guy clearly states there are features which are ONLY accessible using the RemoteBox software. EDIT: Needle search, instant autoloop (of anything other than 4 beats), XY FX, searching for tracks, etc.
Jeffrey Akinsanya 30.05.2013	Originally Posted by Polygon NO! thanks for making me see sense lol!
Alfredo Tooher 30.05.2013	and just to answer the quote above of No, there are features which REQUIRE the iPad, such as quantized looping. you can do quantized looping with no iPad just so you know. A RB analyzed exported track on a usb drive is quantized on the R1 by turning it on on the deck (shift+time button)
Sonja Roybal 30.05.2013	It kind of seem like a big fuck you from Pioneer to people that can't traditionally dj. It's perfect for home use for cdj's. it's a very practical piece of gear though.
Dannie Dimora 30.05.2013	Originally Posted by brichi ahhhh, I thought you bolded the word to stress that you had to own an ipad to use the R1 yeah sorry should have used italics
Alfredo Tooher 30.05.2013	ahhhh, I thought you bolded the word to stress that you had to own an ipad to use the R1
Dannie Dimora 30.05.2013	Originally Posted by brichi just to clarify, you do not "need" an ios device to use this unit, you can either control VDJ (or other software in the future if they jump on board) or export your tracks onto a usb drive, plug it into the R1 and play as normal. They iOS device is just a big screen to more easily access your tracks and use some functions on the iPad instead of the controller for ease of use That's why i bolded the word. Still, i find it a bit steep for the features it offers.
Alfredo Tooher 30.05.2013	that doesnt make it "function properly" which was my point, the R1 is perfectly capable on its own without an iPad, If you "need" quantized looping then you may need the ipad which makes no sense, i have to look into that. There is not reason why you cant export a quantized track from Rekordbox on your mac like you already do for the other players and loop it on the controller quantized, the iPad is only a controller, it doesnt control the quantizing done on the track
Doreen Schurle 30.05.2013	Originally Posted by brichi just to clarify, you do not "need" an ios device to use this unit, you can either control VDJ (or other software in the future if they jump on board) or export your tracks onto a usb drive, plug it into the R1 and play as normal. They iOS device is just a big screen to more easily access your tracks and use some functions on the iPad instead of the controller for ease of use No, there are features which REQUIRE the iPad, such as quantized looping.
Alfredo Tooher 30.05.2013	Originally Posted by Polygon heh yeah. 1100$, mind you. More than the SX, and you need an ios device to have it function properly. just to clarify, you do not "need" an ios device to use this unit, you can either control VDJ (or other software in the future if they jump on board) or export your tracks onto a usb drive, plug it into the R1 and play as normal. They iOS device is just a big screen to more easily access your tracks and use some functions on the iPad instead of the controller for ease of use
Dannie Dimora 30.05.2013	Originally Posted by johney lol, those pitchfaders... seriously heh yeah. 1100$, mind you. More than the SX, and you need an ios device to have it function properly.
Augustine Mitzen 30.05.2013	lol, those pitchfaders... seriously
Verlene Geevarghese 30.05.2013	Yeah I wouldn't go swapping 900's and an analog mixer for this. Don't sacrifice better gear with the same capabilities just because it is modular.
Dannie Dimora 30.05.2013	Originally Posted by MRG12EG i believe a lot of thought went in to this unit... basically with this it allows you to use rekordbox, cdj's, and software... all within one device... any one looking at the pioneer 850's must surly be tempted by this? do you believe its worth swapping from 900's and a analog mixer to the xdm-r1?? NO!
Dannie Dimora 30.05.2013	Originally Posted by loverocket i was believeing this too. maybe a future app update? nah, you know pioneer...

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