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My Outlandish ,speculations on what Traktor Hardware Native Instruments will put out.

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My Outlandish ,speculations on what Traktor Hardware Native Instruments will put out. Posted on: 10.05.2013 by Leota Dolney I had a few thoughts that had been floating around in my brain finally coalesce while I was participating in a couple of posts regarding base model Pioneer CDjs, XDJ-Aero, and speculation on the yet to be releases XDJ-R1 and "Remotebox". The thoughts are centered around what will NI do next with Traktor. They introduced the Z2..ok, that was interesting. Then Traktor DJ for iPad...much in demand and expected given the competition. Pioneer put out the XDJ-Aero which is an all in one media player that can play tunes remotely over wifi using rekordbox or off a USB stick. Along with the CDJ2000 nexus with rekordbox and wifi support. What I am seeing is a trend to embrace the digital workflow rather than the "analog" workflow: e.g., vinyl and CDjs. In that light, I would love to see a few things come from Native Instruments: 1) a modular Kontrol (e.g., Kontrol R2) that is a dedicated FX processor like the RMX1000. It would not simply be a MIDI controller, it would have built-in emulation of Traktor's FX, and Macro FX, and hopefully some isolator and release FX like in the RMX. It could control the FX units in Traktor using it as a midi divide, or standalone paired with a mixer with RCA & 1/4" jacks to process the audio signal. The key is that this could either be a pure FX processor like the RMX1000 by emulating traktors FX (like the Z2 emulates the EQs and filters) or it could be an FX controller (over HID/MIDI) for traktor's FX and enable access/full control over new Traktor FX unit features (e.g., Isoloator FX, release FX, etc.) as the F1 did with Remix Decks. 2) I could see NI looking into creating a media player (e.g., Kontrol P1) that runs the internal traktor algorithms emulated in hardware and play digital media files off a USB and do something like "dropbox sync" over wifi, or just export the library to the USB to keep cues, loops etc up to date. It would support hot cues, loops, waveform display etc. and be linkable to other such controllers to enable SYNC, library sharing off a single USB etc. 3)...i'll leave that open
Doreen Schurle 10.05.2013	I smell a triple-banning approaching.
Alphonso Deitchman 10.05.2013	Build quality matters if you plan on mixing outside the bedroom. If NI want to lock features to their own gear, they should at least offer something that can compare to typical high end hardware.
Julissa Serrone 10.05.2013	Stewe... I agree greatly with Oct and there was a thread about this a long time ago. Someone will ask "what's a good controller" and some dude will say "man I just rocked 4 great gigs with my mixtrack, and it was only 249.00, it's built awesome. I strongly recommend it. It goes great with a midi fighter" When in reality he's never seen a DJM mixer, CDJ, Xone, etc. In a community environment it's difficult to put suggestions into context with experience and true wealth of knowledge that some very well do have on this community .
Kellie Myrum 10.05.2013	You saying that nobody ca do great mix on beginner level gear ? Quality does mater if you want your controller to last but it got nothing to do with your creativity and love for the music you mix.
Kathe Stump 10.05.2013	Some dude literally just said he was playing out on a mixtrack.... saying build quality doesn't matter. Threads like this make me sad about the community format.... Where bedroom DJs who don't even play gigs appear just as credible as people touring and playing on real gear....
Kellie Myrum 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign I'm ^^ serious. Well mostly...
Kellie Myrum 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by Sambo The Macro FX turned my attention to two things, firstly that the FX haven't been updated majorly since Traktor Pro 1.2.6. I know they added the bouncers and such, but by large nothings changed. Still three parameters, three buttons, and dry wet. True. In 2.5 they tried to make FX unit mappings more simple by joining pages but they made it even more complicate by adding 'is in fx unit' condition for still not that rich Traktor modifier system. Meaning, that is cool for most of mappings but disadvantage in my case.
Doreen Schurle 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by Stewe It's two PL-1's and MM-1
Kellie Myrum 10.05.2013	It's two PL-1's and MM-1
Norris Swartzfager 10.05.2013	traktor integrated maschine deck and opening up remix decks with maschine. I want to buy a maschine anyway, but it would make it easier knowing this would be upcoming
Doreen Schurle 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by haze324 You can already do this with Rekordbox on "industry standard" CDJ's. Reaches a much larger audience than just traktor users as Serato, Traktor and DJ's who use CD's can still play on them. Yes, because CDJs have all of the features of Traktor. /s
Julissa Serrone 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign I still stand by assertion that what they NEED to do, however, is offer portable libraries. When that happens, people will be walking into DJ booths that already have big-ass displays and rackmount PCs installed in them, plugging their USB stick and controller in, and away they go. 6 months after NI crack that and they'll be the "industry standard". . You can already do this with Rekordbox on "industry standard" CDJ's. Reaches a much larger audience than just traktor users as Serato, Traktor and DJ's who use CD's can still play on them.
Lorri Bobar 10.05.2013	i hope their next all-in-one or next-gen s4 has rotating platters and better quality faders! i like the NI products a lot but i've had a maschine and s4 break on me
nayit ruiz jaramillo 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by Stewe Saw this picture in a few years back made by somebody. I still believe this is pretty sweet and the most of it that double deck focus is some of my mapping tricks as well Just for giggles, here's the mock up I made about a 6 months before the S4 was even announced to the Beta Team. Someone re-posted it on the NI Facebook and it got taken down. I was told "that is so close to what we have coming, it's not even funny" and they showed the pic around the Berlin office. I was on the initial beta team for the S4 so it was a nice turn of events. Pretty obvious which controllers I mashed up to make this.
Doreen Schurle 10.05.2013	I fully expect the next "big thing", hardware-wise, to be the inclusion of LCD displays (probably OLED) in their products to display waveforms over HID. Probably a modular, Numark V7-style controller (sans moving platter, but a similar size), with the controls from the X1/S4 integrated alongside some big jogwheels. I still stand by assertion that what they NEED to do, however, is offer portable libraries. When that happens, people will be walking into DJ booths that already have big-ass displays and rackmount PCs installed in them, plugging their USB stick and controller in, and away they go. 6 months after NI crack that and they'll be the "industry standard". EDIT: As for all this Karlos drama, just ban these assholes. I could believe of at least two people in this thread alone who basically spend their entire time on the community disagreeing with specific community members and pushing their contrary agendas. It's like they fail to understand this is DJTechTools and not DJCDJTools.
nayit ruiz jaramillo 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by Tha Gooch Disagreement is different than accusing the mods of having a secret agenda to sell us all DJTT and NI gear . If you know what you're talking about I'm sure you'll be providing that link were the mods discuss their evil plans to make us all mindless consumers of their favorite products. And that sums up my point perfectly. Thank you Tha 'Gooch'
Meaghan Machold 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by Sambo Horrifying how many people seem to ignore the fact that Pioneer endorses nearly every big name/festival to make itself "The club standard". I sit my S4 set up next to a pioneer set up and use it all together flawlessly. Build quality shmild quality, it all boils down to whether or not you can mix and entertain. seriously, wtf is all this nonsense about build quality. I DJed out and about on a numark mixtrack pro, worst build quality on a controller, and it worked fine. you guys act like you're all rockstars who need the highest build quality, as if you're going to be smashing your gear after your set and lighting it on fire. treat your gear like you'd treat your laptop and you have no problems.
Jetta Drenzek 10.05.2013	Horrifying how many people seem to ignore the fact that Pioneer endorses nearly every big name/festival to make itself "The club standard". I sit my S4 set up next to a pioneer set up and use it all together flawlessly. Build quality shmild quality, it all boils down to whether or not you can mix and entertain. Back on topic, I definitely believe a Z4 is likely. I believe the idea behind the Z2 was just to satiate the DVS users who had been put on the back burner with Traktor since the X1, but then obviously the shit-tide of people going "ERMAHGERD, MAKE IT 4 CHANNEL AND TAKE MY MONEY" will have no doubt set off the design team over at NI. There'll be no Traktor integrated hardware/CDJ clone, I just can't imagine them doing such a thing. Going into direct competition with Pioneers hold on the market would be suicide for any company. I predict big things coming with the effects personally. The Macro FX turned my attention to two things, firstly that the FX haven't been updated majorly since Traktor Pro 1.2.6. I know they added the bouncers and such, but by large nothings changed. Still three parameters, three buttons, and dry wet. Secondly, it showed that NI do know this, and they did something knew, they created a knob that controlled multiple parameters of multiple FX. That's big news, imagine being able to map those macro FX knobs yourself like you can do in the new Deckadance. So, based on this I wouldn't be surprised if traktor released a unit similar to the KORG Kaoss Pads. Obviously just a controller, not a standalone FX unit, and I personally would buy one of those up in a snap. That way they can compete with the RMX/EFX and Deckadance's FX power. I mean, Traktor is almost synonymous with FX. No one who's used Traktor for a decent amount of time can deny they've once gone bananas with a flanger to the point where they annoyed even themselves.
Janell Selser 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by octostout ^^^^ Thank you. This is exactly what I'm saying. A TINY percentage of pro-level DJs use NI's garbage controllers (besides the X1, of course <3 ), yet so many of the mods on the biggest DJ tech community on the internet are fanboys over them, and are constantly using their position to empower their silly fan opinions. I bring up the fact that Karlos is a mod, because he is absolutely CONSTANTLY using that fact, even outwardly, just like he is now. I say this all the time: If you have a "moderator" tag under your name, you should not be participating in arguments, because consciously or not, you are using your status as a moderator to unfairly enhance your credibility, and that's not how discourse should work. The moderators should be using alternate accounts for that kind of shit. It's like arguing with a child holding a gun. But go ahead Karlos, pull that trigger and ban me for knowing what I'm talking about and disagreeing with you. Disagreement is different than accusing the mods of having a secret agenda to sell us all DJTT and NI gear . If you know what you're talking about I'm sure you'll be providing that link were the mods discuss their evil plans to make us all mindless consumers of their favorite products.
Julissa Serrone 10.05.2013	I'd say more folks used the Xone 4D a few years back. Now THAT was serious build quality....just not the same integration and no real jogs, but that integration or lack of is part of what some of the folks on this thread are discussing. Karlos --- ha!! The Itch avatar was classic, exactly what I was referring to, I remember posting your mock up on the NI community and Facebook page and the bosses were upset with you!! Classic. Have a good one my man, remember it's just the interwebs.
Meaghan Machold 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by octostout ^^^^ Thank you. This is exactly what I'm saying. A TINY percentage of pro-level DJs use NI's garbage controllers (besides the X1, of course <3 ), yet so many of the mods on the biggest DJ tech community on the internet are fanboys over them, and are constantly using their position to empower their silly fan opinions. I bring up the fact that Karlos is a mod, because he is absolutely CONSTANTLY using that fact, even outwardly, just like he is now. I say this all the time: If you have a "moderator" tag under your name, you should not be participating in arguments, because consciously or not, you are using your status as a moderator to unfairly enhance your credibility, and that's not how discourse should work. The moderators should be using alternate accounts for that kind of shit. It's like arguing with a child holding a gun. But go ahead Karlos, pull that trigger and ban me for knowing what I'm talking about and disagreeing with you. i can rattle off 5 DJs off the top of my head that have toured with the s4 zedd porter carnage Flosstradamus and even Pete fkin Tong have all used the s4 on tour. thats more than any other controller i or u can believe of.
Kathe Stump 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 You brought up "Traktor features" despite that not being relevant, then compared it to Serato which was also not relevant. Octostout was complaining about NI's hardware and you basically said "Traktor is good and their gear is good" without really addressing the points made. Very few "pros" use the gear in question, and instead limit their Traktor use to the software - which is not being disputed - and the sound cards that are required to use that software. How exactly does offering full Traktor Scratch functionality to the DJMs and exclusively offering HID control to Pioneer CDJs (the only way to get decent jog wheel performance outside the S2/4 I might add) not constitute some "pairing up"? ^^^^ Thank you. This is exactly what I'm saying. A TINY percentage of pro-level DJs use NI's garbage controllers (besides the X1, of course <3 ), yet so many of the mods on the biggest DJ tech community on the internet are fanboys over them, and are constantly using their position to empower their silly fan opinions. I bring up the fact that Karlos is a mod, because he is absolutely CONSTANTLY using that fact, even outwardly, just like he is now. I say this all the time: If you have a "moderator" tag under your name, you should not be participating in arguments, because consciously or not, you are using your status as a moderator to unfairly enhance your credibility, and that's not how discourse should work. The moderators should be using alternate accounts for that kind of shit. It's like arguing with a child holding a gun. But go ahead Karlos, pull that trigger and ban me for knowing what I'm talking about and disagreeing with you.
Kellie Myrum 10.05.2013	Saw this picture in a few years back made by somebody. I still believe this is pretty sweet and the most of it that double deck focus is some of my mapping tricks as well
Nedra Fresneda 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by octostout Okay I'll be the one to say it, does anyone else tire of the absolutely insane NI ass-kissing done by and encouraged by some of the mods? Other people do it as well, but I have to point out that the mods have specifically sated that they have to encourage this sort of thing for DJTT's business plan. Can we at least get better at calling them out on it, guys? The bullocks being spewed by karlos santos right now is fucking world-class. We don't have to encourage anything for the store, NI or anyone. Any mod that does so is because he believes that recommending that is valid, just like any other user would. Our job isn't to boost sales, it's to keep this place clean so you and everybody else in the community can have a good browsing experience and don't have to dig through piles of spam or hateful comments a la youtube.
Alphonso Deitchman 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by Karlos Santos Eh..? Traktor was a small part of my post. In fact one paragraph. The rest was addressing his ridiculous opinion about Pio and NI and stating that NI was successfully selling hardware no matter how they market it. How was that post "almost entirely software-sided" ? You brought up "Traktor features" despite that not being relevant, then compared it to Serato which was also not relevant. Octostout was complaining about NI's hardware and you basically said "Traktor is good and their gear is good" without really addressing the points made. Very few "pros" use the gear in question, and instead limit their Traktor use to the software - which is not being disputed - and the sound cards that are required to use that software. How exactly does offering full Traktor Scratch functionality to the DJMs and exclusively offering HID control to Pioneer CDJs (the only way to get decent jog wheel performance outside the S2/4 I might add) not constitute some "pairing up"?
nayit ruiz jaramillo 11.05.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 I thought octostout's original post was fair and an accurate assessment of NI's current hardware sales approach. It was completely oriented at the quality of NI hardware, yet you retalliated on an almost entirely software-sided argument without addressing the points made. We're all Traktor fans here - otherwise we wouldn't care either way what hardware they're putting out. Eh..? Traktor was a small part of my post. In fact one paragraph. The rest was addressing his ridiculous opinion about Pio and NI and stating that NI was successfully selling hardware no matter how they market it. How was that post "almost entirely software-sided" ? Originally Posted by Polygon Ok, no need to get defensive now, i haven't done a thing. You asked a question. I answered so that you understood the gravity of the issue. That's all. Did I say you had "done a thing" ? Nope. Originally Posted by haze324 ^ We all know deep down Karlos hearts Itch That was one of my better avatars. Of course none of the people in this thread will be aware that I was the guy that spoke out claiming "itch" to be better software than Traktor when we were discussing hi-res jog wheels, and championed the 4 channel NI controller years before it happened....oooor even remember the mock up controller I posted that turned out to be an almost copy of the future S4. That's cus I only defend Traktor right..? Originally Posted by djmetalgear theres community s are quickly becoming my least favorite place to discuss anything DJ related... and thats mainly what the mods like Karlos Santos are trying to keep from happening. but its impossible when you have so many clowns spewing nonsense for example mods being in the pockets of NI Dude don't side with me. You will be accused of being in my pocket. Although it is nice that you have noticed that I have been trying to clamp down on the aggressors on DJTT. How about you lot get on with talking about the future of NI products rather than me, as interesting as I am.
Kellie Myrum 11.05.2013	We don't want to see lock coming this way. Back to topic please.
Meaghan Machold 11.05.2013	theres community s are quickly becoming my least favorite place to discuss anything DJ related... and thats mainly what the mods like Karlos Santos are trying to keep from happening. but its impossible when you have so many clowns spewing nonsense for example mods being in the pockets of NI
Dannie Dimora 11.05.2013	Originally Posted by haze324 ^ We all know deep down Karlos hearts Itch nah, mixxx
Dannie Dimora 11.05.2013	Originally Posted by Karlos Santos So no, I don't believe I am taking it too far. Ok, no need to get defensive now, i haven't done a thing. Oh, i seem i haven't read the whole post... he was definitely accusing you.
Alphonso Deitchman 11.05.2013	I thought octostout's original post was fair and an accurate assessment of NI's current hardware sales approach. It was completely oriented at the quality of NI hardware, yet you retalliated on an almost entirely software-sided argument without addressing the points made. We're all Traktor fans here - otherwise we wouldn't care either way what hardware they're putting out.
Julissa Serrone 11.05.2013	^ We all know deep down Karlos hearts Itch
nayit ruiz jaramillo 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by Polygon I don't want to interfere, but don't you believe you're taking it a bit too far? What, do you believe that I should simply take my reputation as a Moderator so lightly that I should allow someone to accuse me of being so partisan that I am giving advice in order to sell product? Really? I don't believe you understand the importance some Mods put on their roles and how much we (I certainly) strive to be seen as impartial. It is VERY important to me because my rep as an impartial mod has enabled me to be involved with various companies on their products. I don't believe people send me stuff to test and review to get a sycophantic reply. They do it because they know I will tell them what I believe. I am a fan of Traktor which is why I am involved with NI but I am not in their pay, I am not a fan of NI, just Traktor. So no, I don't believe I am taking it too far. That was a personal attack on me and my reputation and I stand by what I said.
Julissa Serrone 10.05.2013	I've had an S4 and surely it can take "some" beating and there is a tradeoff between price and build quality. I had my S4 pre-purchased from DJTT and sent to me in Iraq of all places. It took a beating getting to me, and it worked under some crappy conditions and I didn't have a case for it. However, I would not say it's in the same build quality of a DJM-800 or a Rane 57 which are used evening after evening by numerous DJ's who care less about the house gear . If it's your personal S4, you are going to treat it better than the house mixer.
Alphonso Deitchman 10.05.2013	As suggested earlier, NI are really pushing the bedroom DJs to buy all the NI gear with all the software restrictions they place on other hardware. The lack of integration with CDJs is just the same as the restriction on MIDI jog wheels, Remix Decks, and Timecode.
Dannie Dimora 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 Like with the DB2/4, the fact that they're non-existant in clubs means there's little incentive to support them. Still, the xones are not based on an industry standard design. It would have been, you know, nice, if NI thought about the countless bedroom djs who have these players at home.
Alphonso Deitchman 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by Polygon Probably, seeing how much the community wanted 350 and 850 hid implementation, and no progress has been made in that direction. Like with the DB2/4, the fact that they're non-existant in clubs means there's little incentive to support them.
Dannie Dimora 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by Karlos Santos If you ever accuse me of what you have in the post above without proving it I will shut you down. Simple as that. I don't want to interfere, but don't you believe you're taking it a bit too far? Let's all chill and contribute to the thread in a positive way, mmkay?
nayit ruiz jaramillo 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by Stewe More damn condition slots! +1
nayit ruiz jaramillo 10.05.2013	Originally Posted by octostout Okay I'll be the one to say it, does anyone else tire of the absolutely insane NI ass-kissing done by and encouraged by some of the mods? Other people do it as well, but I have to point out that the mods have specifically sated that they have to encourage this sort of thing for DJTT's business plan. Can we at least get better at calling them out on it, guys? The bullocks being spewed by karlos santos right now is fucking world-class. I was fully expecting this from you. First off, I am not in the pay of NI or DJTT. You're post is the same bile I have heard before and it is boring. I am the one criticising NI on their own community when I don't agree with them. When has a Mod ever stated that they encourage anything for DJTT business...??? Point this out to me or do not make such ridiculous statements again. I could care less about DJTT's bank balance. I am here cus I like the community and some of the people. You are spouting typical bile. I've heard it all before (apart from the DJTT business plan). The problem with people like you is that you have selective hearing/reading. You pay no attention when I or anyone else agrees on a point where NI have boobed. All you do is pick point at when I or anyone else legitimately and objectively praises them. Its soooooo boring. I tell you what we can get better at calling out. People like you that attack, attack, attack and cannot enter into discussion without being either aggressive, obnoxious or personal. Now, I know you like to come off all bitchin' on the community but this time you have overstepped the mark... If you ever accuse me of what you have in the post above without proving it I will shut you down. Simple as that.

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