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My Outlandish ,speculations on what Traktor Hardware Native Instruments will put out.
Posted on: 10.05.2013 by Leota Dolney
I had a few thoughts that had been floating around in my brain finally coalesce while I was participating in a couple of posts regarding base model Pioneer CDjs, XDJ-Aero, and speculation on the yet to be releases XDJ-R1 and "Remotebox".

The thoughts are centered around what will NI do next with Traktor. They introduced the Z2..ok, that was interesting. Then Traktor DJ for iPad...much in demand and expected given the competition. Pioneer put out the XDJ-Aero which is an all in one media player that can play tunes remotely over wifi using rekordbox or off a USB stick. Along with the CDJ2000 nexus with rekordbox and wifi support. What I am seeing is a trend to embrace the digital workflow rather than the "analog" workflow: e.g., vinyl and CDjs.


In that light, I would love to see a few things come from Native Instruments:

1) a modular Kontrol (e.g., Kontrol R2) that is a dedicated FX processor like the RMX1000. It would not simply be a MIDI controller, it would have built-in emulation of Traktor's FX, and Macro FX, and hopefully some isolator and release FX like in the RMX. It could control the FX units in Traktor using it as a midi divide, or standalone paired with a mixer with RCA & 1/4" jacks to process the audio signal. The key is that this could either be a pure FX processor like the RMX1000 by emulating traktors FX (like the Z2 emulates the EQs and filters) or it could be an FX controller (over HID/MIDI) for traktor's FX and enable access/full control over new Traktor FX unit features (e.g., Isoloator FX, release FX, etc.) as the F1 did with Remix Decks.

2) I could see NI looking into creating a media player (e.g., Kontrol P1) that runs the internal traktor algorithms emulated in hardware and play digital media files off a USB and do something like "dropbox sync" over wifi, or just export the library to the USB to keep cues, loops etc up to date. It would support hot cues, loops, waveform display etc. and be linkable to other such controllers to enable SYNC, library sharing off a single USB etc.

3)...i'll leave that open
Nedra Fresneda
12.05.2013
Originally Posted by DarioJ
Seriously. Its the same 4/5 people

@Padi - No disrespect to your or Karlos, but at this point why are you guys keeping this thread open?
I know you guys can do better . The rest of the thread can be cleaned once we get back on track.
Leota Dolney
12.05.2013
Originally Posted by Big Panda
I believe NI will continue to try and breach the gap between controller and analogue gear.

The new generation of DJs are growing up on controllers, and NI has a large dominance (software wise predominantly, but also hardware too).

These bedroom DJs are going to want to evolve onto analogue hardware and club setups, and NI need a way to satiate them, whilst still tying them into the software.

The Z2 gives an easy evolution for controller DJs to DVS or CDJ HID systems, incorporating the key elements of both.

I also believe whilst NI are trying to do this, Pioneer are in fact going the opposite way, and I can see Pioneer launching Rekordbox as a fully fledged software to use with Laptop and controller, or on usb with CDJs.

So for me, a Z4 or even as mentioned above a single CDJ style player will be their next move. With the change in generation of DJs, just as technics are rare to be found in clubs (near me) and were ousted by the CDJ, the next move is hard to tell, but I can see it being much more adaptable than the current CDJ and mixer. (edited that because what I said before made little sense).

I believe pioneer and NI will become very similar, and who will be the next industry standard is anyones guess.

Pioneer will win if they create a stable and good software.

NI will win if they can create superior hardware, although it will be a hard job loosening Pioneers grip on the market.

Serato I have no idea.

That is my one huge stab in the dark
I sort of agree with this. Pioneer had forever been just about the hardware...i.e., mixers and CDJs. That (and 1200s) was "Pro" gear for the longest time. In a separate realm, laptop-based digital DJ'ing arose and with it, a plethora of MIDI controllers. Similar functionality and even look/layout to Mixer+CDJs, but with a different workflow...all the brains was in the software and the controller was just for tactile control.

NI is a software company...they developed Traktor and eventually decided to branch out to create dedicated controllers for their software...they "improved" on the MIDI shortfalls with their native comm protocol between their controllers and Traktor...by all accounts, this was very well-received; the X1 is hugely popular and (build-quality discussions aside) so is the S4.

NI saw benefit in tighter Hardware and software integration (e.g., the F1) and in developing some nice dedicated hardware like the Z2.

Pioneer is going the other way. They have been a hardware company, but there are limitations to supporting advanced features for mixers/CDJs when those features are implemented as pure hardware...as evidence, consider that you can download firmware updates for new Pioneer gear that either fixes or adds new features to their hardware...Pioneer created Rekordbox and has it intgegrated into their latest products...some don't even need actual CDs or even USB, you can send tracks directly from an iPad or iPhone, or Android phone right to the player over WiFi...this feels very much "software-ish" to me!

So where does all that leave things...to me it seems like both companies are moving toward more hardware and software integration, albeit from very different directions...will they come to the exact same place...i don't know. I doubt it. But I do believe that both companies will continue to move toward the same direction of HW/SW integration.

Like some have said, the "Z4" seems like a natural next step for NI. With the release of Traktor DJ for the iPad, I can imagine NI releasing a controller, either all-in-one, or modular "mixer" and/or "players" etc. that integrates with the iPad so that you can play from the iPad but control from either...e.g. certain things is nice to have a touch screen (X-Y pad for certain FX), but others is nice to have actual knobs and faders... I guess we'll see. That is the fun of speculating.
Dedra Kreinbring
12.05.2013		I believe NI will continue to try and breach the gap between controller and analogue gear.

The new generation of DJs are growing up on controllers, and NI has a large dominance (software wise predominantly, but also hardware too).

These bedroom DJs are going to want to evolve onto analogue hardware and club setups, and NI need a way to satiate them, whilst still tying them into the software.

The Z2 gives an easy evolution for controller DJs to DVS or CDJ HID systems, incorporating the key elements of both.

I also believe whilst NI are trying to do this, Pioneer are in fact going the opposite way, and I can see Pioneer launching Rekordbox as a fully fledged software to use with Laptop and controller, or on usb with CDJs.

So for me, a Z4 or even as mentioned above a single CDJ style player will be their next move. With the change in generation of DJs, just as technics are rare to be found in clubs (near me) and were ousted by the CDJ, the next move is hard to tell, but I can see it being much more adaptable than the current CDJ and mixer. (edited that because what I said before made little sense).

I believe pioneer and NI will become very similar, and who will be the next industry standard is anyones guess.

Pioneer will win if they create a stable and good software.

NI will win if they can create superior hardware, although it will be a hard job loosening Pioneers grip on the market.

Serato I have no idea.

That is my one huge stab in the dark
Alphonso Deitchman
12.05.2013		There's the DJM 707 and 909 too, and other big scratch mixers from Rane and Vestax that NI will never be able to top.
Michell Wehrmeyer
12.05.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
But you were talking about competing with "the competition", not build quality etc. I don't believe the Z2 has competed with the competition as well as many other NI products. People are still buying Pioneer over the Z2, therefore it has not competed that well, imo.

The S4 may indeed be due an update but you cannot deny it's popularity. It basically made all other all-in-ones redundant over evening from a sales perspective, which is what I thought we were discussing?
I don't believe many scratch DJs that use traktor are buying pioneer over Z2. I am positive they will make money of the Z2 which is all that really matters. Not to mention that pioneer makes nothing in between DJM 700 and DJM 350, so there is a gap which the Z2 fills. They have the T1 but I am willing to bet the Z2 is more successful than the T1.
Kristofer Krauel
11.05.2013		What hardware i'd like to see:
Cdj style single deck controller (obviously with native control) with a nice big platter. I'd be happy with a larger version of the s4 platter but I realise others wouldn't be. 8 pots for controlling effects with associated buttons to trigger. Looping controls a la X1 and 4 or 8 buttons (similar to those on the s4) that are freely mappable for cue points or effects combos etc. The big thing for me would be a decent full colour screen to show the waveform and grid markers etc plus track info and also used for browsing. This (for me) would be a perfect controller to run along side a mixer for external mixing and would remove the reliance on buying a higher end pioneer CDJ for those who use cdj 'style' mixing and want to use HID control. Seems the next logical step for me given their foray into hardware mixers.
Rochel Papillion
11.05.2013		oh wow, i should smack myself, i ve used the xone eq config b4 and never remarked it was 4 eq band
Kellie Myrum
11.05.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
Traktor's mixer is bypassed when using an external mixer. But you can set the internal mixer to 4 band too.
This.
Alphonso Deitchman
11.05.2013		Traktor's mixer is bypassed when using an external mixer. But you can set the internal mixer to 4 band too.
Rochel Papillion
11.05.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
People use the 92 for the 4 band EQ, complex filters, and analogue sound; things that will never appear on NI hardware. A Z4 would have a much better chance at competing with the DJM 750/850.
that always was perplexing to me, xone 92 has 4 band but traktor has 3 and they still use traktor
Alphonso Deitchman
11.05.2013		People use the 92 for the 4 band EQ, complex filters, and analogue sound; things that will never appear on NI hardware. A Z4 would have a much better chance at competing with the DJM 750/850.
Rochel Papillion
11.05.2013		The only place the Z4 might have had a chance to shine would have been xone 92 users tht use traktor to play but I just dont see NI able to have a mixer on par with the sound of a xone 92.sheet, the digital xone mixers didnt convert too many xone 92 users to "upgrade"
and professional djs that I know of that were using the S2/S4 didnt upgrade to Z2
(only person I know of r Craze n Shiftee. Atrak got one but he hasnt played out with one yet - still on DJM 900)
Judi Sissel
11.05.2013
Originally Posted by DirtyNerd

If people want to get the thread back on track and discuss speculations in a fun and civilized way, then i'm in, otherwise, I see no point in having yet another thread with name calling, and insults.
I believe we could get it back on track, and not to undermine the MOD's, but I believe you should open a new thread. Just so people dont have to sift through 9 pages.
Leota Dolney
11.05.2013
Originally Posted by DarioJ
Seriously. Its the same 4/5 people

@Padi - No disrespect to your or Karlos, but at this point why are you guys keeping this thread open? There is less then 1 page of actual post that relate to the original subject. You should just have the OP or someone reopen the thread. IMO, leaving this thread open is just asking these guys to perpetuate it. Heaven forbid they find another thread to do it in.
+1

I'm the OP and didn't even bother continuing because in very short order this degenerated into something WAY off from the original idea. I just was speculating on some things (admittedly after a few drinks and up late at evening ) and thought it would be a good thread to discuss what we as a community saw as the next steps...but it quickly became uncivilized.

If people want to get the thread back on track and discuss speculations in a fun and civilized way, then i'm in, otherwise, I see no point in having yet another thread with name calling, and insults.
Judi Sissel
11.05.2013
Originally Posted by keithace
you motherfuckers are begining to tire me...
Seriously. Its the same 4/5 people

@Padi - No disrespect to your or Karlos, but at this point why are you guys keeping this thread open? There is less then 1 page of actual post that relate to the original subject. You should just have the OP or someone reopen the thread. IMO, leaving this thread open is just asking these guys to perpetuate it. Heaven forbid they find another thread to do it in.
Nedra Fresneda
11.05.2013		Let's keep the discussion civilised and avoid further name calling to keep this thread open. I'm not against discussion of the subject but believe we need to take a step back and cool down a bit.
Margie Pavell
11.05.2013		whats up with all the name calling if people don't believe the way you do? Aren't different ideas, methods, workflow, thoughts, points of view etc...important?

you motherfuckers are begining to tire me...
Johnsie Kingrea
11.05.2013		Where I live not a single club provides gear.
Dedra Kreinbring
11.05.2013		Ignorant?

I believe it would be naive to assume that all DJs play in places that already have gear. Party DJs? Mobile DJs?
I played in a club that has no gear, and expects whoever is playing to bring their own.

Also cost comes into it massively, as many people can't justify buying top of the range gear for home use. And using different gear can be a fresh and interesting thing, rather than using the same gear at work as you do at home.
Kathe Stump
11.05.2013
Originally Posted by rdej47
I'd gladly pay for a Z4 that has midi controls on it. As much as I liked having the 900 it didn't have any midi controls on it for Traktor. A Z4 with higher build quality then the Z2 and midi controls for cue's, remix decks, fx, and browse capabilities would be awesome.
this would be just as much of a mistake as the Z2 was, because of this:


Originally Posted by bumtsch
Dual interfaces would be pretty cool, but I doubt it'd make much sense for NI to pursue the club install-easy changeover market : it doesn't seem like it really panned out for Rane/Serato with the Sixty Eight (and the SL4). Back when those came out the feature seemed decisive and I can't remember if it prompted much clamouring for its NI equivalent on the community s.

We've had significant certified mixers since that thanks to Pioneer. If there was a company to push dual interface, $DVS_of_choice Certified club mixers, it'd be them and I doubt they would - it'd have to be a joint effort with NI, and what's in it for them anyway?
NI could go for it in a 4 channel mixer but, again... that alone wouldn't turn the mixer into a game changer (it didn't for the 68).

90% of mixers are bought for one of two reasons, either by DJs for home use, or by clubs. The other 10% is dumbasses bringing their own mixers to clubs.

The Z2 and Z4 are stupid ideas, because
A: They are NEVER going to be purchased as club installs, for a million obvious reasons.

B: They are not going to be purchased for home use by any DJ who knows what he's doing. you never want to build specific gear into your workflow that you can't use live, and as previously mentioned, the amount of DJs ignorant enough to bring their own mixer to a gig is too small to make many sales.
Johnsie Kingrea
11.05.2013		I'd gladly pay for a Z4 that has midi controls on it. As much as I liked having the 900 it didn't have any midi controls on it for Traktor. A Z4 with higher build quality then the Z2 and midi controls for cue's, remix decks, fx, and browse capabilities would be awesome.
Delila Vandommelen
12.05.2013		A Z4 of sorts has been an easy target for a while now. Seems like a safe bet.

Dual interfaces would be pretty cool, but I doubt it'd make much sense for NI to pursue the club install-easy changeover market : it doesn't seem like it really panned out for Rane/Serato with the Sixty Eight (and the SL4). Back when those came out the feature seemed decisive and I can't remember if it prompted much clamouring for its NI equivalent on the community s.

We've had significant certified mixers since that thanks to Pioneer. If there was a company to push dual interface, $DVS_of_choice Certified club mixers, it'd be them and I doubt they would - it'd have to be a joint effort with NI, and what's in it for them anyway?
NI could go for it in a 4 channel mixer but, again... that alone wouldn't turn the mixer into a game changer (it didn't for the 68).
Alphonso Deitchman
11.05.2013
Originally Posted by frankle
After purchasing an X1 when it first came out I have only really embraced it in the last 9 months after some custom mapping and now use it for C&D control. I can't believe it took me so long to get into it, possibly my favorite piece of kit right now. My only issue is with the soft-takeover that is very hit and miss, and unfortunately it's one of those units that can't be firmware upgradable so it'll stay this way forever ... I'm hanging on to see if there's a X1mk2 that overcomes these niggles.

That brings me to my next want ... I'd like the X1 to be class-complaint so that it could be used with the iPad and TraktorDJ, mostly so that I can have NUDGE! I added the iPad to my gig last evening and the hardest part was trying to launch the track exactly on beat when going from laptop track playing to iPad track. I ended up bending back the laptop track to get it in time I can see the iPad TraktorDJ thing growing very big very quick!
+1. The X1 would be a perfect accompaniment to Traktor DJ, and insisting on their silly proprietry control method killed off soft takeover and made MIDI mode useless.
Sonja Roybal
11.05.2013		I saw this thread and was mad interested. Then I started read it and was mad disappointed. Nobody cares about your guy's pissing match.
Rebbecca Fennell
11.05.2013		Man fuck new controllers just give me some library management that doesn't make me wish I was using serato.

And before anyone goes flaming me believeing I'm a serato fan boy trolling, I use both and maintain a library for both, and there some annoying faults in traktors library management
Margareta Mogilevsky
10.05.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
I found this video(15:00) of Porter and Zedd so satisfying after hearing them quoted in so many S4 arguments. They have the exact same jog wheel issue that happened on my last S4, and I see posts of others having the same problem all the time.
I've had issues with my S4 as well and have shelved it for the moment (high load, mic/channel 4 issues) as it happened to me while speeches were on at a 21st! Great, I purchased it so I had something compact and portable to use Traktor with whenever I did a mobile. When it was working it worked well for my intended purpose, and I've taken it to several club gigs over the last 2 years but now it's starting to gather dust.

Regarding touring artists and what they request to have on stage (I do DJ backline production work for festivals in Melbourne Australia in between my full time job and 2 DJ residencies), it's pretty much 3 x CDJ2000(nxs) and DJM900 ... and for those who want something a little nicer it's a Xone:92 (plus soudcard for Traktor) and 3 x CDJ2000(nxs) ... and then you have Richie Hawtin's current setup, Xone:92 to be supplied and he brings along 2 x X1, Maschine, an RME Fireface UFX and a bucket load of cables!

There have however been 2 touring artists in the last 12 months request an S4 ... compared to 36 x CDJ2000's spread over 8 stages at the last festival I did.

Back on topic ... although there is a massive want for a Z4 (me included), it's not going to happen any time soon and I'm about to purchase a DJM850 for this reason.

After purchasing an X1 when it first came out I have only really embraced it in the last 9 months after some custom mapping and now use it for C&D control. I can't believe it took me so long to get into it, possibly my favorite piece of kit right now. My only issue is with the soft-takeover that is very hit and miss, and unfortunately it's one of those units that can't be firmware upgradable so it'll stay this way forever ... I'm hanging on to see if there's a X1mk2 that overcomes these niggles.

That brings me to my next want ... I'd like the X1 to be class-complaint so that it could be used with the iPad and TraktorDJ, mostly so that I can have NUDGE! I added the iPad to my gig last evening and the hardest part was trying to launch the track exactly on beat when going from laptop track playing to iPad track. I ended up bending back the laptop track to get it in time I can see the iPad TraktorDJ thing growing very big very quick!

In the NI community s I've posted in the S1 request thread ... basically a CDJ1000 sized controller, big platter, HID display and control, USB hub, internal PSU (figure-8 power cable) ... I'm not holding my breath on this one though.
Dannie Dimora
10.05.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
I found this video(15:00) of Porter and Zedd so satisfying after hearing them quoted in so many S4 arguments. They have the exact same jog wheel issue that happened on my last S4, and I see posts of others having the same problem all the time.
Sorry, too distracted by the girl in black :P
Kathe Stump
10.05.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Because despite the fact I personally dislike the S2/4 - primarily when judged against their competition in the same price bracket - the simple fact is that all of the hardware YOU advocate is so much more expensive than an S2/S4, you'd have to be insane to recommend it instead.

I don't care if you can shoot a CDJ2000 with a 40mm artillery round and have it keep playing, the fact is that when you're saying to people, "you should save up and get a set of Pioneers" instead of just buying something they can AFFORD and playing music, it's bloody mental.
Are you kidding?

Originally Posted by makar1
How is advocating the use of an X1 and a sound card "so much more expensive than an S4"? That's what I use for gigs, and it's what I recommend to people using controllers while neglecting existing booth gear.
^This.

If you know what you're doing, and you're playing actual gigs with standard gear , you utilize it with Traktor. I play every just about every gig on rigs worth ~$6000, and the only gear I bring is a pair of midi fighters, and only because I do some non-traditional stuff that requires extra controls.

If you're playing in your bedroom, or you're still playing gigs where you have to bring your own setup, that's fine, but I don't want to hear your opinion about how good you believe your gear setup is... Because you don't know what else there is.

I played probably 100 gigs on an S4 before I figured all of this out. Now that I am using CDJ2000's and a DJM 900 at every gig, I can comfortably say that if you're using a shitty all-in-one like an S4 at your gigs, it's because you haven't figured this shit out yet. Yes that goes for whichever stupid kid trap/dubstep/electrohouse producers you're rattling off. Just because you get famous for making tracks in ableton, that doesn't mean you instantly know shit about DJ gear.

No matter what your workflow is, if you're using at least two track decks, then controlling them with a $6000 rig you don't have to pay for is so good, you're silly not to do it. If you play in a non-traditional style, bring whatever supplemental modular controllers you need to do your shit. That's why I have a pair of midi fighters.
Alphonso Deitchman
10.05.2013		I found this video(15:00) of Porter and Zedd so satisfying after hearing them quoted in so many S4 arguments. They have the exact same jog wheel issue that happened on my last S4, and I see posts of others having the same problem all the time.
Dannie Dimora
10.05.2013
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
its a duo, so it shows how much you know about what you're talking about.
Sure i know they're a duo, i was talking about j2k, who is the one that puts "remix" videos up on yt.
And i wasn't talking about the gear they use, i was talking about their production methods.

Originally Posted by djmetalgear
people here are either illiterate, ignorant, or just plain dumb.
Oh and before calling others dumb, you might want to expand your understanding of sarcasm a bit.
Kellie Myrum
10.05.2013
Originally Posted by haze324
Stewe...

I agree greatly with Oct and there was a thread about this a long time ago. Someone will ask "what's a good controller" and some dude will say "man I just rocked 4 great gigs with my mixtrack, and it was only 249.00, it's built awesome. I strongly recommend it. It goes great with a midi fighter" When in reality he's never seen a DJM mixer, CDJ, Xone, etc. In a community environment it's difficult to put suggestions into context with experience and true wealth of knowledge that some very well do have on this community .
Haze,

That's classic noob situation. If you feel that his answer was wrong you can always correct him if you like and he will also learn something new. That happen...

Personally, I believe as controllerist and for me it stands music before gear. The way to manipulate the music where gear is just there to help you out to express your performance however you know is more important than actual gear. I agreed that quality is quality and that's no doubt if you are able to buy some solid peace that can last for years that's OK. Good example is quality and design of Livid TX. That things are just made for crazy scripts, tools and mappings no button saying this, no button saying that fully customizable as well as the MIDIfighter.

But other hand, I can still pull up my BCD3k and have same ultimate mapping and do same sh* awesome. I see it all as note and CC
Alphonso Deitchman
10.05.2013
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
its a duo, so it shows how much you know about what you're talking about.

and i didnt say tat u can tour the world on a mixtrack pro. im saying a good DJ can still rock a party on a MTP over a clown who THINKS he knows what hes doing on 2 1200s and whatever mixer
Funny, most of the pictures of Flosstradamus on Google Images show them using 2 1200s and "whatever" mixer. And others show them using CDJs + X1 with Traktor, which is what I recommend.
Margie Pavell
10.05.2013
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
its a duo, so it shows how much you know about what you're talking about.

and i didnt say tat u can tour the world on a mixtrack pro. im saying a good DJ can still rock a party on a MTP over a clown who THINKS he knows what hes doing on 2 1200s and whatever mixer and believes he's going to "Educate the crowd" with his extensive knowledge of electro house because he refused to play anything that club goers want to hear. I've been playing clubs for 2 years on my s4, some clubs that pack 2,500 people. Im not a bedroom DJ, so another assumption completely wrong. At least know what you are talking about before you criticize people or DJs or gear.

people here are either illiterate, ignorant, or just plain dumb.
ftfy...
Meaghan Machold
10.05.2013
Originally Posted by Polygon
Doesn't he only use an ipod shuffle and an 808?
its a duo, so it shows how much you know about what you're talking about.

and i didnt say tat u can tour the world on a mixtrack pro. im saying a good DJ can still rock a party on a MTP over a clown who THINKS he knows what hes doing on 2 1200s and whatever mixer and believes he's going to "Educate the crowd" with his extensive knowledge of deep house because he refused to play anything that club goers want to hear. I've been playing clubs for 2 years on my s4, some clubs that pack 2,500 people. Im not a bedroom DJ, so another assumption completely wrong. At least know what you are talking about before you criticize people or DJs or gear.

people here are either illiterate, ignorant, or just plain dumb.
Dannie Dimora
10.05.2013
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
Flosstradamus
Doesn't he only use an ipod shuffle and an 808?
Alphonso Deitchman
10.05.2013		Ears > tactile > visual. Headphones work fine for cueing don't they?
Dannie Dimora
10.05.2013		GUYS, back on topic, my friend over here just had this AMAZING idea for the next NI controller.
I really believe it's genius, and would be an amazing feature: Platter (and maybe fader) tactility synced with beat detection.
In layman's terms, little motors or actuators that raise or make vibrate the platter when traktor detects a beat. This would make cueing so much better in terms of not relying on visual cues.

He literally suggested this one 5 minutes ago, and since then i've been believeing how frickin awesome it would be.
Alphonso Deitchman
10.05.2013		How is advocating the use of an X1 and a sound card "so much more expensive than an S4"? That's what I use for gigs, and it's what I recommend to people using controllers while neglecting existing booth gear.
Doreen Schurle
10.05.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
Any reason you're not expressing your usual opinions on the S2/4 in this thread?
Because despite the fact I personally dislike the S2/4 - primarily when judged against their competition in the same price bracket - the simple fact is that all of the hardware YOU advocate is so much more expensive than an S2/S4, you'd have to be insane to recommend it instead.

I don't care if you can shoot a CDJ2000 with a 40mm artillery round and have it keep playing, the fact is that when you're saying to people, "you should save up and get a set of Pioneers" instead of just buying something they can AFFORD and playing music, it's bloody mental.
Alphonso Deitchman
10.05.2013		Any reason you're not expressing your usual opinions on the S2/4 in this thread?

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