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Am I Totally out of my mind thinking this is total garbage
Posted on: 06.06.2012 by Sarai Suchman
Okay so this is a post off a different community . People actually believe this post is considered "VALID" Djing. I'm sorry but its shit like this that pisses me off...and further more people actually consider this being a DJ...Fuck me if this is what it has come down to i may as well throw away all my gear.


"I'm a Virtual DJ program DJ. I line up songs and let the program do a 4 second automix. On most evening s, the most I'll do is change the automix points of songs, so that it comes in when I want it to and cuts off any unnecessary intro's and outro's. I do it for a living, it takes care of me and my wife, and we live pretty comfortably. I have 4 guys who work for me, and last year my company had almost 700 shows. Everything from 12 year old birthday parties to Weddings, plus, mostly, a lot of bars and restaurants. In any given evening we can go from top 40, to old school hip hop, to 90's rock, to country... Whatever seems to fit the mood of the crowd. I charge about $50 per hour with a 4 hour minimum for the basic shows, obviously, much more for Weddings and the more complicated gigs. If I've got a dance floor slammed, and I'm playing a bunch of songs that would go well mixed together, I'll usually do some basic beat matching and mixing within Virtual DJ and throw in a few effects sparingly, but nothing fancy, and frankly, usually people don't know the difference between my beatmatched mix, and virtual DJ's quick automix. In a way, I do it just to look busier. Also, some of the area DJ's that mix give me shit because I'll "press play, and walk away"... But I'm usually off engaging specific people in the crowd. Checking in on the different groups of people, cracking jokes, getting to know the newcomers, basically trying to make damn sure that everybody is having a good time and that they know who I am and that they can and should come up and engage me.

I often shake my head when I go on DJ boards and hear people bad mouthing program DJing. I can believe of a bunch of DJ's off the top of my head in my area who mix and work really hard at it, and are pretty damn good at it. But they don't make good and consistent money or get consistent shows, because they don't adapt to different crowds as well. With that said, there are also a few DJs in my area that mix top 40, are really good at it, and are like local celebrities. I'm happy for their success. I would never bad mouth mixing, but there is more than one way to skin a cat. We're all supposedly about the music, I'd rather play 50 random incredible songs that fit my crowd, in their entirety, than 100 similar styled, pretty good songs, that we're beatmatched and cut up.

Now, I'm here because I'm trying to teach myself to mix a lot better, and I'd like to start using my NS6 out once in a while if the show seems to call for it. But I definitely wanted to chime in to say that plenty of people out there in my fairly affluent Chicago suburbs have a blast getting drunk while I DJ, and I usually don't mix at all. Song selection is the key for me, I love it when at the end of the evening , the hipsters, dubsteppers, country girls, and top 40 fans are all leaving happy. I love it when I play a track and people go apeshit because it's an awesome song that they forgot existed and they still remember every word... that's my favorite. I love being a DJ, I just haven't needed to mix to love it, or to profit from it. "
Georgina Schatzman
06.06.2012
Originally Posted by VanGogo
Sorry for being slow to type a response
Just have to get faster

=p
Charline Dye
06.06.2012
Guys, when I started typing my post, I would have been the second response to the OP. I got interupted for just a few minutes and when I finished and hit the button I saw I was on page three.

Sorry for being slow to type a response
Matt Kane
06.06.2012
Originally Posted by JasonBay
Yeah, starting to realize people don't bother to read anymore
i hate people who don
Georgina Schatzman
06.06.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
already mentioned all the stuff you
Matt Kane
06.06.2012
Originally Posted by VanGogo
Why should you care what someone else does number one. Number 2, song selection and reading the crowd is the most important thing for a DJ to do. Which he says he does well.
Also being a mobile DJ is a whole different ball game than being a club DJ and both are different than being radio DJ. When you go to a club you expect to hear some one mix well, at weddings and birthday parties etc. the crowd just wants to hear familiar tunes they can dance to and don't care about mixing.

I don't believe that it's professional to just hit auto mix and go talk to the crowd though.

I understand why this twisted your knickers. You feel this guy is crapping on your chosen art form by not caring about the same things that you count as essential to the art you are passionate about. He isn't worried about the same things you are though. He's running a business, and his business is doing well from what he tells us, so he must be providing what his customers want.
already mentioned all the stuff you
Charline Dye
06.06.2012
Why should you care what someone else does number one. Number 2, song selection and reading the crowd is the most important thing for a DJ to do. Which he says he does well.
Also being a mobile DJ is a whole different ball game than being a club DJ and both are different than being radio DJ. When you go to a club you expect to hear some one mix well, at weddings and birthday parties etc. the crowd just wants to hear familiar tunes they can dance to and don't care about mixing.

I don't believe that it's professional to just hit auto mix and go talk to the crowd though.

I understand why this twisted your knickers. You feel this guy is crapping on your chosen art form by not caring about the same things that you count as essential to the art you are passionate about. He isn't worried about the same things you are though. He's running a business, and his business is doing well from what he tells us, so he must be providing what his customers want.
Rosenda Gossage
06.06.2012
Originally Posted by Gapout
The reason why im pissed...is that this came directly from another "Digital" Djing community board and was considered as "Valid" Djing.

How the hell is this valid djing in any way shape or form.
He's playing recorded music to an audience. What do you believe DJing actually is?
Cristian Carmona
06.06.2012
700 gigs is impressive, thank you for doing the gigs i hate doing! Im sure your compensation for those gigs are pretty good. Let the haters hate, do your thing.
Georgina Schatzman
06.06.2012
Originally Posted by Gapout
I was reading a thing where they have a new itunes integration where u can vote for the next song through your phone and whatever song gets the most votes will be played next.
I read that too, but I still don't believe it can replace what the DJ can do with reading the crowd, planning a head, building up to "something" (whatever you wanna call it) and creating an experience for the end user.
Lela Umanskaya
06.06.2012
Originally Posted by Gapout
the reason why i am hating, is because its people like this that will eventually destroy the DJing industry
BPM Studio has been around for how many years now? Hasn't killed DJing yet, stop crying, get back to practicing...
Matt Kane
06.06.2012
i just read your sig "I dont care if you use 2 ipads...2 cassette tapes...or a washboard and a wooden spoon...if you rock it, you rock it."

and this is exactly what i
Sarai Suchman
06.06.2012
Originally Posted by JasonBay
Because you still need to be able to read the crowd, and no playlist will be able to do that.
Actually they will be.

I was reading a thing where they have a new itunes integration where u can vote for the next song through your phone and whatever song gets the most votes will be played next.

No Joke it was on the DigitalDJtips site.
Georgina Schatzman
06.06.2012
Originally Posted by Gapout
so the only difference is that there is a person

Yup, like I said in my original post, he's nothing more than a Juke box
Noelia Martig
06.06.2012
Ummmm here is the deal I beleive most of us here are more of an underground style DJs/Producers/Controllerist/Turntablist. That guy is a commercial DJ the kind that does weddings, childrens parties, bar mitzvahs and what not. I don't expect that type of DJ to even understand what mixing, midi, production or even have talent to mix at a club or underground. The dude is doing what gets him payed. Am I mad? Nah he is doing his thing. Would I ever want to do those type of gigs? Fuck no I would rather slit my own d#%k errrm wrist. I do find comercial style DJs more like our nerdy cousin we don't like to talk about. PLUR hahahaha
Sarai Suchman
06.06.2012
juke-box

A money-operated phonograph or compact disk player, equipped with pushbuttons for the selection of particular recordings

so the only difference is that there is a person
Georgina Schatzman
06.06.2012
Originally Posted by Gapout
How long do you believe it will take for all the local clubs to realize hey why the hell should i pay someone good money to "DJ" when i can just get virtual DJ line up 300 songs and just use the auto mix?
Because you still need to be able to read the crowd, and no playlist will be able to do that.
Georgina Schatzman
06.06.2012
Depends on your definition of what a DJ is and should do. He goes out, plays music, make sure people are having a good time and gets paid.

Sadly, that's all it takes to be considered a "DJ".
Matt Kane
06.06.2012
Originally Posted by Gapout
okay explain to me how he is a "DJ"
"A disc jockey, also known as DJ, is a person who selects and plays recorded music for an audience. "
Sarai Suchman
06.06.2012
the reason why i am hating, is because its people like this that will eventually destroy the DJing industry.

How long do you believe it will take for all the local clubs to realize hey why the hell should i pay someone good money to "DJ" when i can just get virtual DJ line up 300 songs and just use the auto mix?
Matt Kane
06.06.2012
Originally Posted by Gapout
Im sorry but hes not even using discs...hes using virtual DJ without a controller, and automix.

I guess im just too old school in my believeing...I love the digital world, and controllers and having laptops...but this is just stupid.

I guess this is what happens when you take a job which is considered to be an artform...and turning it into a profession...all soul is ripped out of it and your left with a laptop and a mouse.
who needs discs or controllers if you can throw down a decent mix using a mouse or a keyboard?

like in this video for example (no self promo!)

Sarai Suchman
06.06.2012
okay explain to me how he is a "DJ"
Matt Kane
06.06.2012
and what exactly is it that pisses you off?
1. he
Sarai Suchman
06.06.2012
The reason why im pissed...is that this came directly from another "Digital" Djing community board and was considered as "Valid" Djing.

How the hell is this valid djing in any way shape or form.
Georgina Schatzman
06.06.2012
My god, he's an over priced juke box in the worst way possible. Just goes to show how ignorant the masses really are
Aundrea Lenore
06.06.2012
Why are you pissed?

He's doing his thing, who cares. I wouldn't bother even believeing about it any further.

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