How is dubfire using his maschine i have been believeing about this for a while now how is dubfire using his maschine is he creating drum patterns on the fly or controlling traktor |
Lela Umanskaya
10.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by photojojo
Are there maybe two definitions of "engineer" being used here? One where the engineer makes rough drafts of tracks then hands them over to be finished? The other where the engineer is handed completed tracks and does some mastering or mix down work on it?
The first description you provide is a composer IMO. Coming from my background recording and playing in bands, having an engineer, or several, involved in the process is common practice. The engineer handles all the technical aspects (micing the instruments, mixdowns, etc) and also has limited creative input ("I believe it would be best if you guys laid back here" or "This part would sound really cool with this effect on the drums"). An engineer is a fresh set of ears that doesn't have an emotional attachment to the material being tracked. |
Georgina Schatzman
10.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by rotebass
How is this amazing? It's pretty common practice to have engineers involved in the process, different people have different skills, when you put them all together the whole is greater than the individual parts.
It's not amazing that he has an engineer, it's amazing that he's openly talking about and "admitting" it. |
Dorie Scelzo
10.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by Street Knowledge
There was a RA top 15 dj who asked the VJ at a local club if he "Could just play a dvd instead of performing because he was worn out from touring" I have seen a bunch of *big* names who just show up with a set in ableton in arrangement mode already set who literally hit play and mess with effects the rest of the time.
People get big and literally just ride the fame. PM me if you guys want names, but I wont post em in public.
That's a completely different situation. |
Lela Umanskaya
09.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
amazing how he blatantly talks about how he uses an "engineer" to make his music... lol
How is this amazing? It's pretty common practice to have engineers involved in the process, different people have different skills, when you put them all together the whole is greater than the individual parts. |
Quiana Sedey
09.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
amazing how he blatantly talks about how he uses an "engineer" to make his music... lol
There was a RA top 15 dj who asked the VJ at a local club if he "Could just play a dvd instead of performing because he was worn out from touring" I have seen a bunch of *big* names who just show up with a set in ableton in arrangement mode already set who literally hit play and mess with effects the rest of the time.
People get big and literally just ride the fame. PM me if you guys want names, but I wont post em in public. |
Elmer Kindinger
09.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by padi_04
I'm glad he didn't take the path Sharam did
+1! |
Georgina Schatzman
09.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by padi_04
I'm glad he didn't take the path Sharam did
Couldn't agree more! |
Nedra Fresneda
08.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by JasonBay
Still hard to imagine he was 1/2 of Deep Dish all those years ago.
I'm glad he didn't take the path Sharam did |
Dorie Scelzo
08.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
amazing how he blatantly talks about how he uses an "engineer" to make his music... lol
I mean…audio engineering and writing/playing are completely different skills. Most bedroom dance producers do both (as well as several other jobs) because they can't afford an engineer.
I feel like way more of an engineer than a musician at times. And I really wish I knew as much about scales, harmonies, and writing melodies as I do about compressors and mixers.
Originally Posted by JasonBay
Still hard to imagine he was 1/2 of Deep Dish all those years ago.
Heh…the styles are very different, but I'm glad people are accepting the change…too often an artist "grows" or just "changes" and loses all credibility for not still being the same person you grew up with. And there was a bit of those elements to the deep dish stuff I remember. |
Georgina Schatzman
08.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
amazing how he blatantly talks about how he uses an "engineer" to make his music... lol
Still hard to imagine he was 1/2 of Deep Dish all those years ago. |
Efrain Scharr
07.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Yeah I only know from this
amazing how he blatantly talks about how he uses an "engineer" to make his music... lol |
Johnetta Olewine
07.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
Yeah…I thought the same thing for a long time about all the minimal guys…especially him and hawtin. Impressive technique and gear
and planning and stuff but boring result.
Then I listened to a hawtin set really loud in a mostly dark room at 5am on a combination of caffeine (my normal amount), alcohol (buzzed…normal weekend), sleep deprivation (it was 5am), and sinus medicine (summer in GA…sorry) with a couple good friends who liked dancing. Totally different experience.
Some of my favorite DJs are people I can't stand to listen to when I'm in the wrong environment.
I've seen Dubfire a couple of times now in a very similar environment. Fucking snore both times.
Hawtin on the other hand is a master of that sound and eases you into a groove with such skilled programming. That guy can somehow have a daytime festival crowd heaving to stripped back minimal techno at 2 in the afternoon. |
Hanna Ridenbaugh
17.06.2012 | saw this and thought I'd post it up
http://www.be-at.tv/brands/off-sonar...tec/dubfire.go |
Dorie Scelzo
10.06.2012 | I have mixed feelings.
It's not like guitarists invented their amps, and John Mayer (whatever you say about his taste, he's an awesome guitarist when he wants to be…even if lacking a little soul at times) both collaborated with two rock and other people to refine his tone. It's not like drummers (apart from a very few) actually helped design their physical drums. And a lot of people just work from presets.
It's one more skill to help set people apart, but I'd much rather be able to write an awesome melody than get an awesome sound out of a synth. Then again…maybe I'm just fantasizing about the skills I kind of suck at. |
Georgina Schatzman
10.06.2012 | Guess there's different levels of what an "engineer" does based on the skill set of the actual artist. If the engineer is doing sound design and actually programming stuff that would be more like a "collab" ala Loco Dice and Martin Buttrich |
Dorie Scelzo
10.06.2012 | Depending on who the engineer is and what his experience is, I could also see him doing sound design.
So, it could be more like the artist does the writing and arranging and the engineer does sound design (synth programming), recording, mixing, etc.……which would be more like the way every non-dance record is made. |
Georgina Schatzman
10.06.2012 | From what I gathered over the years, in the dance music scene the artist will make a track, arrangement and so on and then when it comes to actually mixing it down and polishing it off, that's when they'll go an engineer. Some one who has more experience in the actually "audio engineer" department. |
Lela Umanskaya
10.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by photojojo
Are there maybe two definitions of "engineer" being used here? One where the engineer makes rough drafts of tracks then hands them over to be finished? The other where the engineer is handed completed tracks and does some mastering or mix down work on it?
The first description you provide is a composer IMO. Coming from my background recording and playing in bands, having an engineer, or several, involved in the process is common practice. The engineer handles all the technical aspects (micing the instruments, mixdowns, etc) and also has limited creative input ("I believe it would be best if you guys laid back here" or "This part would sound really cool with this effect on the drums"). An engineer is a fresh set of ears that doesn't have an emotional attachment to the material being tracked. |
Leeanna Ayla
10.06.2012 | Are there maybe two definitions of "engineer" being used here? One where the engineer makes rough drafts of tracks then hands them over to be finished? The other where the engineer is handed completed tracks and does some mastering or mix down work on it? |
Georgina Schatzman
10.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by rotebass
How is this amazing? It's pretty common practice to have engineers involved in the process, different people have different skills, when you put them all together the whole is greater than the individual parts.
It's not amazing that he has an engineer, it's amazing that he's openly talking about and "admitting" it. |
Dorie Scelzo
10.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by Street Knowledge
There was a RA top 15 dj who asked the VJ at a local club if he "Could just play a dvd instead of performing because he was worn out from touring" I have seen a bunch of *big* names who just show up with a set in ableton in arrangement mode already set who literally hit play and mess with effects the rest of the time.
People get big and literally just ride the fame. PM me if you guys want names, but I wont post em in public.
That's a completely different situation. |
Lela Umanskaya
09.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
amazing how he blatantly talks about how he uses an "engineer" to make his music... lol
How is this amazing? It's pretty common practice to have engineers involved in the process, different people have different skills, when you put them all together the whole is greater than the individual parts. |
Quiana Sedey
09.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
amazing how he blatantly talks about how he uses an "engineer" to make his music... lol
There was a RA top 15 dj who asked the VJ at a local club if he "Could just play a dvd instead of performing because he was worn out from touring" I have seen a bunch of *big* names who just show up with a set in ableton in arrangement mode already set who literally hit play and mess with effects the rest of the time.
People get big and literally just ride the fame. PM me if you guys want names, but I wont post em in public. |
Elmer Kindinger
09.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by padi_04
I'm glad he didn't take the path Sharam did
+1! |
Georgina Schatzman
09.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by padi_04
I'm glad he didn't take the path Sharam did
Couldn't agree more! |
Nedra Fresneda
08.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by JasonBay
Still hard to imagine he was 1/2 of Deep Dish all those years ago.
I'm glad he didn't take the path Sharam did |
Dorie Scelzo
08.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
amazing how he blatantly talks about how he uses an "engineer" to make his music... lol
I mean…audio engineering and writing/playing are completely different skills. Most bedroom dance producers do both (as well as several other jobs) because they can't afford an engineer.
I feel like way more of an engineer than a musician at times. And I really wish I knew as much about scales, harmonies, and writing melodies as I do about compressors and mixers.
Originally Posted by JasonBay
Still hard to imagine he was 1/2 of Deep Dish all those years ago.
Heh…the styles are very different, but I'm glad people are accepting the change…too often an artist "grows" or just "changes" and loses all credibility for not still being the same person you grew up with. And there was a bit of those elements to the deep dish stuff I remember. |
Georgina Schatzman
08.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
amazing how he blatantly talks about how he uses an "engineer" to make his music... lol
Still hard to imagine he was 1/2 of Deep Dish all those years ago. |
Elmer Kindinger
08.06.2012 | He's not long done a set in my hometown and he was using his normal setup of Maschine with 2 X1s with the new F1 addition. He was using a 92 instead of the DB4 tho...
You can just see the F1 on his far right.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=1&theater |
Nedra Fresneda
07.06.2012 | You don't need drugs to enjoy Dubfire or Hawtin
Seeing Plastikman live (while totally sober) at creamfields a few years back was still one of the most memorable sets I experienced. |
Efrain Scharr
07.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Yeah I only know from this
amazing how he blatantly talks about how he uses an "engineer" to make his music... lol |
Johnetta Olewine
07.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
Yeah…I thought the same thing for a long time about all the minimal guys…especially him and hawtin. Impressive technique and gear
and planning and stuff but boring result.
Then I listened to a hawtin set really loud in a mostly dark room at 5am on a combination of caffeine (my normal amount), alcohol (buzzed…normal weekend), sleep deprivation (it was 5am), and sinus medicine (summer in GA…sorry) with a couple good friends who liked dancing. Totally different experience.
Some of my favorite DJs are people I can't stand to listen to when I'm in the wrong environment.
I've seen Dubfire a couple of times now in a very similar environment. Fucking snore both times.
Hawtin on the other hand is a master of that sound and eases you into a groove with such skilled programming. That guy can somehow have a daytime festival crowd heaving to stripped back minimal techno at 2 in the afternoon. |
Dorie Scelzo
07.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by oliosky
yet what comes out of the speakers is still incredibly mundane... So much complexity for so little result.
Yeah…I thought the same thing for a long time about all the minimal guys…especially him and hawtin. Impressive technique and gear
and planning and stuff but boring result.
Then I listened to a hawtin set really loud in a mostly dark room at 5am on a combination of caffeine (my normal amount), alcohol (buzzed…normal weekend), sleep deprivation (it was 5am), and sinus medicine (summer in GA…sorry) with a couple good friends who liked dancing. Totally different experience.
Some of my favorite DJs are people I can't stand to listen to when I'm in the wrong environment.
Originally Posted by 1mco
I went to see Afrojack…
Afrojack kinda sucks. The one time I've seen him live, it was vaguely enjoyable, but……it doesn't take long to get sick of electro unless you only listen to dance music the one time a month when you go out for 2 or 3 hours and are buzzed the entire time. |
Kristofer Krauel
07.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by oliosky
yet what comes out of the speakers is still incredibly mundane... So much complexity for so little result.
Haha so fucking true. I'm actually a dubfire fan but that's a lot of gear for what he plays!! sounds complicated. |
Alfred Takala
07.06.2012 | I went to see Afrojack and his at the Koolhaus (at the guvernment complex, Toronto) which was 2 hours then went right over to the main complex only to find out he had another 1:30 minute set... let's just say i couldnt Take Over Control of my head the next day. |
Johnetta Olewine
06.06.2012 | I'd happily watch someone like Danny Tenaglia or Tom Middleton for 8 hours... At least there'd be a bit of diversity. |
Leeanna Ayla
06.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by oliosky
yet what comes out of the speakers is still incredibly mundane... So much complexity for so little result.
Originally Posted by JasonBay
I'm not going to get into this debate, other than saying it's something you really have to experience more than listen to.
There's no debate, I could say the same thing.
<insert any dubstep or trance or electro DJ> back to back for 8 hours... Would probably be the worst headache I've had in ages. |
Johnetta Olewine
06.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
oli is not a big dubfire fan, loco dice is his real favorite to see live
hahahaha. Dubfire and Loco Dice back to back for 8 hours... Would probably be the best sleep I've had in ages. 909 clap, 909 clap, snore. |
Georgina Schatzman
06.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
oli is not a big dubfire fan, loco dice is his real favorite to see live
I agree with him 100% on that one actually |
Romelia Stankard
06.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by JasonBay
I'm not going to get into this debate, other than saying it's something you really have to experience more than listen to.
oli is not a big dubfire fan, loco dice is his real favorite to see live |
