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Old electronic music and New electronic music. Posted on: 07.06.2012 by Jolynn Schroyer How come when talking to the younger generation about music when i bring up the genre of electro house or the older type of rave music they instantly they tell me electro house sucks? When electro house has been around way longer then dubstep. I know people have there preference but thats just pisses me off. I dont bash dubstep but when ever you bring up old school techno or minimal techno they say its "GAY" or that shit sucks brah go jam out to skrillex. :rage:
Johnetta Olewine 08.06.2012	Originally Posted by MWagner Detroit was big into Italo Disco and Kraftwerk at the time, so there was an undeniably strong European influence. It's pretty well established that Techno itself started in Detroit though. It has nothing to do with believeing "everything comes from the US", so you can throw your strawman away. This.
Werner Bile 08.06.2012	Originally Posted by Sublim&All at the people who actually believe the origin of everything comes from the US. It's not like nothing happened in Europe at the same time... Detroit was big into Italo Disco and Kraftwerk at the time, so there was an undeniably strong European influence. It's pretty well established that Techno itself started in Detroit though. It has nothing to do with believeing "everything comes from the US", so you can throw your strawman away.
Danae Dumler 08.06.2012	BTW both the above tracks would mix well with dubstep but I don't believe it would be considered that - again, who knows with these genre discussions, often people figure out what they were doing years later. But long before dubstep and grime there was Miami Bass, so maybe we want to retroactively call that the beginning of dubstep
Danae Dumler 08.06.2012	Originally Posted by hola amigos I was under the impression that techno came from Europe/Uk. Real Tech house/ Minimal techno. Hearing detroit was shocking. Of course it depends what you want to call "techno" (Wikipedia claims the term was first used in 1988), but the prevailing wisdom is that what is called "techno" originated with the "Belleville Three" (Juan Atkins, Kevin Saunderson, Derrick May), but no question they were listening to Kraftwerk at the time, so arguably minimal techno starts with German electronic music from the 1970s. Then again some would argue an Indian wedding bandleader invented acid house in 1982 so who knows.
Augustina Zulu 08.06.2012	Originally Posted by Citizen_Insane You two win. You just win. On a related note, dubstep wasn't around until early 2000's. The earliest stuff that I've found and could label as such has been 2002/2003 (Plasticman, Digital Mystikz, Kode9, Loefah, Benga, Skream... etc.), arguably one of the first dubstep records is Benga & Skream's The Judgement (http://www.discogs.com/Skream-Benga-.../master/112100). I'd really like to hear this dubstep from 1998... Rotebass & Oliosky's hypothetical situation seems the most likely. So, which of you two started the steppin' eh? I remember some 2step tracks that used drum and bass style basslines that you could probably drop in to a dubstep set. I wasn't that into that scene in the late 90's so someone else may pull better examples but sorta like this -
Augustina Zulu 08.06.2012	Originally Posted by rdale be nice to hear some proper electro. last time i can recall it being played out was in the mid 90's mixed with breaks. http://community .djranking s.com/showthread.php?t=51894
Jolynn Schroyer 08.06.2012	I was under the impression that techno came from Europe/Uk. Real Tech house/ Minimal techno. Hearing detroit was shocking.
Viviana Tarno 08.06.2012	Originally Posted by shr3dder at the dude that didn't realise techno was from Detroit, people really should be forced to know the basics of electronic music history. at the people who actually believe the origin of everything comes from the US. It's not like nothing happened in Europe at the same time...
Deeann Cheron 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by hola amigos brostep gone bad? Fixed that for you
Marguerite Salsedo 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by rotebass It was a fine Saturday morning in June, back in 1998, the very day that Dubstep was invented... durr Originally Posted by oliosky Right blood. We was fookin avin it on da estates innit and then all of a sudden we was like dis shit sounds like garridge and dub put tuggeva like. Wot we gunna call it? You two win. You just win. On a related note, dubstep wasn't around until early 2000's. The earliest stuff that I've found and could label as such has been 2002/2003 (Plasticman, Digital Mystikz, Kode9, Loefah, Benga, Skream... etc.), arguably one of the first dubstep records is Benga & Skream's The Judgement (http://www.discogs.com/Skream-Benga-.../master/112100). I'd really like to hear this dubstep from 1998... Rotebass & Oliosky's hypothetical situation seems the most likely. So, which of you two started the steppin' eh?
Deeann Cheron 07.06.2012	This young chap may have the answers
Ara Tima 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by rdale be nice to hear some proper electro. last time i can recall it being played out was in the mid 90's mixed with breaks. Really? Poor bastard. I've got some Anthony Rother records that would've been released sometime after 2002 that are electro Dave Clarke's World Service CDs both have an awesome REAL electro disc. I still listen to them. The last one of those was 2004 or 2005? I'm sure there is more recent examples I've just stopped following it, a lot of earlyish Hacker stuff kinda bridged Electro-Electroclash/House. Electro House came after/out of Electroclash... Dubstep came out of UK Garage/2-Step, that was my vague recollections. possibly wrong, but it's always been how I remember the sound evolving at record shops, clubs, festivals etc. I remember listening to a King Unique essential mix in 2004 that blew me away, it was when that farting bassline sound that electro-house loves so much still sounded fresh., stuff like Rex The Dog, Alter-Ego etc. But meh. Genres give me the shits, but we'd be screwed without them, imagine trying to go through Beatport without them. at the dude that didn't realise techno was from Detroit, people really should be forced to know the basics of electronic music history.
Jolynn Schroyer 07.06.2012	dubstep gone bad?
Johnetta Olewine 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by rotebass It was a fine Saturday morning in June, back in 1998, the very day that Dubstep was invented... durr Right blood. We was fookin avin it on da estates innit and then all of a sudden we was like dis shit sounds like garridge and dub put tuggeva like. Wot we gunna call it?
Lela Umanskaya 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by hola amigos Dubstep has been around since 1998. It was a fine Saturday morning in June, back in 1998, the very day that Dubstep was invented... durr
Freida Leash 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by MWagner People confusing electro and electro house is kind of a touchy issue in places where electro is still popular. be nice to hear some proper electro. last time i can recall it being played out was in the mid 90's mixed with breaks.
Jolynn Schroyer 07.06.2012	we all love each other, bravo!!! teach me your ways young jedi.
Johnetta Olewine 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by and_leite Sorry guys, but all this conversation seems to me you are just trying to crucify someone because of their comment, which is not any different of the fact someone get pissed because some kid don’t know what they a talking about, but that’s what kids do. I am sure you weren’t that “savvy” when you were younger. My point is, people should stop to try naming everything. For me there are just two types of music, good music and bad music, because even among the genres I like the most I found some great tune and others that are just shit. No ones bashing the guy. The guy was making statements that were patently incorrect and there is just a bunch of folks on here who have alot more knowledge and subsequently corrected him, in a non insulting way. Think of it as an education edit: great minds eh guiltyblade
Alla Bluemke 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by and_leite Sorry guys, but all this conversation seems to me you are just trying to crucify someone because of their comment, which is not any different of the fact someone get pissed because some kid don
Werner Bile 07.06.2012	People confusing electro and electro house is kind of a touchy issue in places where electro is still popular.
Alla Bluemke 07.06.2012	Lol I believe just about everyone thought the exact same thing at the same time. Love when old house heads come out of no where.
Oren Arizola 07.06.2012	Sorry guys, but all this conversation seems to me you are just trying to crucify someone because of their comment, which is not any different of the fact someone get pissed because some kid don
Alla Bluemke 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by hola amigos Dubstep info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubstep House music info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_music Says house music has been around since 1980's thats pretty damn early. Didn't know techno originated from Detroit, Mi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno Probably explains the Detroit Musical Festival. If you are surprised by the dating of house being the early 80s then maybe your overall timing is wayyy off. I mean this came out early early 80s, maybe the first house track ever. even this was mid 80s
Johnetta Olewine 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by hola amigos Dubstep info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubstep House music info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_music Says house music has been around since 1980's thats pretty damn early. Didn't know techno originated from Detroit, Mi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno Probably explains the Detroit Musical Festival. Mate. Before arguing about the origins of various genre's it might be an idea to actually get a bit more knowledge of the scenes first. Find at watch this documentary http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0877337/ as well as the one above. 90s rave and electro house (not real Aux88, Model 500 electro) have very little in common.
Ulysses Vittetoe 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by hola amigos Dubstep info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubstep House music info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_music Says house music has been around since 1980's thats pretty damn early. Didn't know techno originated from Detroit, Mi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno Probably explains the Detroit Musical Festival. You should probably watch this.
Werner Bile 07.06.2012	yeah, because no one ever bashes dubstep. Also, just because House has been around that long doesn't mean electro house has.
Jolynn Schroyer 07.06.2012	Dubstep info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubstep House music info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_music Says house music has been around since 1980's thats pretty damn early. Didn't know techno originated from Detroit, Mi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno Probably explains the Detroit Musical Festival.
Danae Dumler 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by hola amigos Dubstep has been around since 1998. Really? I believe the first time I heard the term was like 2003-4. There's probably older stuff with that sort of sound, particularly bass heavy dub, but it's still a pretty far cry from what I would consider dubstep today. Do we have examples of 1998 dubstep?
Romelia Stankard 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by hola amigos Well it is electro house classic. I can't believe of anything I would call electro house in the 90s. French house/ neu disco picked up in the late 90s, electroclash in the early 2000s, and electro house evolved from there but I can't really believe of anything that is clearly electro house until about 2002.
Leeanna Ayla 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by hola amigos Well it is electro house classic. Originally Posted by Xonetacular Says who? I don't know anyone else who would really call that electro house. I sure wouldn't.
Cristian Carmona 07.06.2012	maybe cause kids today that a electro house song is cool and its just a rip off the OG techno, hardcore, drum & bass track and gives no credit to the OG source. But that goes for any music genre. I had one kid tell me if I had Joy Division cover to The Killers - Shawdowplay. He swore the Killers made the track. I nearly flipped out, but I told him it was the other way around and just said yeah right. Many different scenerios, but I believe its a lack of musical knownledge, thats all.
Romelia Stankard 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by hola amigos Well it is electro house. Says who? I don't know anyone else who would really call that electro house.
Jolynn Schroyer 07.06.2012	Well it is electro house classic.
Matt Kane 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by hola amigos There are many 90's electro house mixes on youtube this is one. imho this is far away from beeing electro house. this is considered as electro house.
Jolynn Schroyer 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by Xonetacular What are you considering 90s electro house? Just curious. There are many 90's electro house mixes on youtube this is one.
Onie Sarandos 07.06.2012	I date most things by Shaun of the Dead. Apparently Electro's been around since at least 2004.
Romelia Stankard 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by hola amigos No electro house has been around since 1990's. Dubstep has been around since 1998. Not that far apart but far enough to make a statement and should be respected for its activity in the industry. What are you considering 90s electro house? Just curious.
Jolynn Schroyer 07.06.2012	No electro house has been around since 1990's. Dubstep has been around since 1998. Not that far apart but far enough to make a statement and should be respected for its activity in the industry.
Matt Kane 07.06.2012	correct me if i

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