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Old electronic music and New electronic music. Posted on: 07.06.2012 by Jolynn Schroyer How come when talking to the younger generation about music when i bring up the genre of electro house or the older type of rave music they instantly they tell me electro house sucks? When electro house has been around way longer then dubstep. I know people have there preference but thats just pisses me off. I dont bash dubstep but when ever you bring up old school techno or minimal techno they say its "GAY" or that shit sucks brah go jam out to skrillex. :rage:
Lashawn Maycock 19.06.2012	Originally Posted by oliosky Electro house sullied the term house. Those cunts just ran with it. braaaaaaaaaavo! hear, hear!
Romelia Stankard 18.06.2012	Originally Posted by aidanday Well, I'm going to go ahead and disagree with Wikipedia. No way Electro House precedes the Electro Clash thing of 2001/2. Wikipedia certainly doesn't mention electro house in the 90s- OP is confused.
Ara Rynd 18.06.2012	Originally Posted by hola amigos Yeah exactly I'm going to take the wikipedia answer. Electro house was in the 1990's and dubstep was in the 1998's therefore electro house was out before dubstep. Well, I'm going to go ahead and disagree with Wikipedia. No way Electro House precedes the Electro Clash thing of 2001/2. Period. Also, no way 'Dubstep' precedes the 2nd UK garage boom of 99/00/01, because it derives out of 2 musical movements later. I.e. Dubstep is the grandchild of UK Garage. I feel like the fans of these two genres are trying to create an artificial nostalgia or history for them. They're the 2 newest forms of EDM by a mile. 90s Electro House. Lol.
Lashawn Maycock 12.06.2012	Originally Posted by Shane Says When it comes to the evolution of a sound Wikipedia sucks for a source. If you werent there from the begining you either hit up some good documentaries or listen to tracks/mixes of that sound in chronological order where you can see the progression. I find it hilarious when people use wiki as a source for the evolution of a sound. You're probably better off using discogs. Good point, totally agree.
Romelia Stankard 12.06.2012	Originally Posted by hola amigos Yeah exactly I'm going to take the wikipedia answer. Electro house was in the 1990's and dubstep was in the 1998's therefore electro house was out before dubstep. Where on wikipedia it says that electro house was in the 90s? There isn't even a wikipedia page at all for electro house- wikipedia deleted it because there weren't enough sources. House music in the 90s is not the same thing as electro house just because it has 'house' in the name. This thread went four (eight by default) pages and a lot of people took the time to respectfully explain the evolution of the scene and genres which you are choosing to ignore. I'm not sure if you're just trolling now or what.
Johnetta Olewine 12.06.2012	Originally Posted by hola amigos Yeah exactly I'm going to take the wikipedia answer. Electro house was in the 1990's and dubstep was in the 1998's therefore electro house was out before dubstep. no. I dont believe you are listening.
Lashawn Maycock 19.06.2012	Originally Posted by oliosky Electro house sullied the term house. Those cunts just ran with it. braaaaaaaaaavo! hear, hear!
Johnetta Olewine 19.06.2012	Electro house sullied the term house. Those cunts just ran with it.
Jerica Salava 18.06.2012	I believe David Guetta ruined Electro House. He kidnapped the genre and sabotaged it. Why didn't he and his gay swedish mafia come up with their own genre? like Nut Sac Blo or Cul De Sacs or Sac of Crap or something? There is nothing house about them.
Werner Bile 18.06.2012	Anyone who wants to learn the in depth story of how techno started should pick up the book "Techno Rebels: The Renegades of Electronic Funk" by Dan Sicko. Its' a fantastic read and really details not only how Techno started, but why it started as well.
Veta Hrouda 18.06.2012	Great info, everyone. I've been learning so much from lurking this community . I don't know quite enough to give an educated opinion on this topic. I just love and appreciate the music.
Neva Lahr 18.06.2012	So many subgenres! In the hip hop world, "electro" just meant stuff like Afrika Bambaataa. Who knew? I've learned a lot from this discussion.
Romelia Stankard 18.06.2012	Originally Posted by aidanday Well, I'm going to go ahead and disagree with Wikipedia. No way Electro House precedes the Electro Clash thing of 2001/2. Wikipedia certainly doesn't mention electro house in the 90s- OP is confused.
Ara Rynd 18.06.2012	Originally Posted by hola amigos Yeah exactly I'm going to take the wikipedia answer. Electro house was in the 1990's and dubstep was in the 1998's therefore electro house was out before dubstep. Well, I'm going to go ahead and disagree with Wikipedia. No way Electro House precedes the Electro Clash thing of 2001/2. Period. Also, no way 'Dubstep' precedes the 2nd UK garage boom of 99/00/01, because it derives out of 2 musical movements later. I.e. Dubstep is the grandchild of UK Garage. I feel like the fans of these two genres are trying to create an artificial nostalgia or history for them. They're the 2 newest forms of EDM by a mile. 90s Electro House. Lol.
Lashawn Maycock 12.06.2012	Originally Posted by Shane Says When it comes to the evolution of a sound Wikipedia sucks for a source. If you werent there from the begining you either hit up some good documentaries or listen to tracks/mixes of that sound in chronological order where you can see the progression. I find it hilarious when people use wiki as a source for the evolution of a sound. You're probably better off using discogs. Good point, totally agree.
Salvatore Husley 12.06.2012	When it comes to the evolution of a sound Wikipedia sucks for a source. If you werent there from the begining you either hit up some good documentaries or listen to tracks/mixes of that sound in chronological order where you can see the progression. I find it hilarious when people use wiki as a source for the evolution of a sound. You're probably better off using discogs. Also, arguing if electro house came before dubstep isn't really a good approach. Dubstep may have been around in 02 but the brostep sound didn't hit until 07, making it sound closer to electo house than the original sound from early 00's (which didn't sound like electro house at all).
Romelia Stankard 12.06.2012	Originally Posted by hola amigos Yeah exactly I'm going to take the wikipedia answer. Electro house was in the 1990's and dubstep was in the 1998's therefore electro house was out before dubstep. Where on wikipedia it says that electro house was in the 90s? There isn't even a wikipedia page at all for electro house- wikipedia deleted it because there weren't enough sources. House music in the 90s is not the same thing as electro house just because it has 'house' in the name. This thread went four (eight by default) pages and a lot of people took the time to respectfully explain the evolution of the scene and genres which you are choosing to ignore. I'm not sure if you're just trolling now or what.
Johnetta Olewine 12.06.2012	Originally Posted by hola amigos Yeah exactly I'm going to take the wikipedia answer. Electro house was in the 1990's and dubstep was in the 1998's therefore electro house was out before dubstep. no. I dont believe you are listening.
Jolynn Schroyer 12.06.2012	Yeah exactly I'm going to take the wikipedia answer. Electro house was in the 1990's and dubstep was in the 1998's therefore electro house was out before dubstep.
Salvatore Husley 12.06.2012	But this converstion could go on forever.
Matt Kane 12.06.2012	Originally Posted by Ed Paris correct me if i
Lashawn Maycock 12.06.2012	Originally Posted by aidanday I have noticed this thing where I feel like people try to say they were hip to Dubstep a lot earlier than they really were. I dropped out of the scene for a couple years around 07/08 and before I did, I feel like there was no trace of Dubstep in Detroit. When I came back, there it was. It was definitely in the UK as far back as 2005/6, but those tracks were often either forms of slow D&B or odd Grime / Bassline remixes. It's really a stretch to me that someone would suggest they were listening to Dubstep by our current aesthetic in 2003. I just don't believe it. Short answer, they're about the same age. 2003/4 ish for Electro House, 2005/6ish for Dubstep. If you're calling a handful of UK Garage tracks 'Dubstep' then I guess that's a possible argument for dating it all the way back to 2000ish, but again, I don't buy it. A wobble bass is neither necessary nor sufficient for 'Dubstep'. All opinion here, but I'd bet google would largely agree. Fair enough, you make some good points. Apologies in advance as I don't know your background and if you're familiar with the London pirate radio/club scene however the term was definitely 'dubstep' was being banded around much earlier than 2005/06. I've noticed with most dance music genres which bubble up, it can take several years for something to take hold and establish a definition as well enter more mainstream culture. Music within the genre will always evolve, hence early dubstep may well sound different to now but the term is still valid if the scene coins it as such. Just my two penneth worth, have a good day all.
Ara Rynd 11.06.2012	Originally Posted by MWagner Additionally, Detroit is where techno incorporated the Futurist philosophy that set it apart from other styles. I don't know how much of that philosophy still exists outside of Detroit, but it certainly lives on here. A lot of artists from Detroit have had a political message behind their music as a result. UR being the prime example of this, with Drexciya in particular having a rather expansive mythology to their music. I was going to touch on that, but my post was already TLDR. The extra-musical content/philosophy is one part of what makes it so much more meaninful to us than random Euro-Ibiza stuff. That stuff is party music, yeah, fun, good times; I get it. In contrast, a lot of what Underground Resistance and Juan and Derrick tried to do was a musical statement about post-industrial dystopia, etc etc.... Also, I'm gonna just be frank and say it: Black People. Our scene was largely composed of Black producers and DJs in the beginning. Sorry, but that makes a difference, too. There's a whole poverty/technology political paradox in Detroit techno that's lost on the Tiesto/Skrillex crowd.
Ara Rynd 11.06.2012	I have noticed this thing where I feel like people try to say they were hip to Dubstep a lot earlier than they really were. I dropped out of the scene for a couple years around 07/08 and before I did, I feel like there was no trace of Dubstep in Detroit. When I came back, there it was. It was definitely in the UK as far back as 2005/6, but those tracks were often either forms of slow D&B or odd Grime / Bassline remixes. It's really a stretch to me that someone would suggest they were listening to Dubstep by our current aesthetic in 2003. I just don't believe it. Short answer, they're about the same age. 2003/4 ish for Electro House, 2005/6ish for Dubstep. If you're calling a handful of UK Garage tracks 'Dubstep' then I guess that's a possible argument for dating it all the way back to 2000ish, but again, I don't buy it. A wobble bass is neither necessary nor sufficient for 'Dubstep'. All opinion here, but I'd bet google would largely agree. I was frustrated by a few bad posts and by misinformation on Teh Internets in general, but encouraged by the people who had great information.
Lela Umanskaya 11.06.2012	Originally Posted by aidanday Euro-Handbag House You lost me at Ugh, but this was the icing on the cake. It's music people...
Jolynn Schroyer 11.06.2012	Originally Posted by aidanday Ugh. I arrived here from google and honestly, I had to register just to address a number of topics in this thread. well written, now i understand more.
Salvatore Husley 11.06.2012	Why would you start with ugh? Like we said something wrong, but only to just say we were right.
Werner Bile 11.06.2012	Additionally, Detroit is where techno incorporated the Futurist philosophy that set it apart from other styles. I don't know how much of that philosophy still exists outside of Detroit, but it certainly lives on here. A lot of artists from Detroit have had a political message behind their music as a result. UR being the prime example of this, with Drexciya in particular having a rather expansive mythology to their music.
Ara Rynd 11.06.2012	Ugh. I arrived here from google and honestly, I had to register just to address a number of topics in this thread. Background: Detroit Rave / Underground club scene FAN since 1997 Producer / DJ since 2000 At my peak I opened for artists such as Seth Troxler, Charles Seigling of Technasia, Konrad Black, Keith Kemp and Matthew Dear in a number of Detroit venues. I say this just to establish my credibility. I certainly don't know everything and a lot of young cats know more music that I do, but I've been around the block a few times. Subject #1: How old is Electro House? A number of people have suggested that it didn't really emerge until just after the Electroclash thing in 2002ish and I'd say that's about right. Yeah, you can post vids of tacky Euro-Handbag House from the 1990s and there are a few congruencies, but it's not Electro House and no one used the term when I was 'coming up' in the late 90s. We used hundreds of genre terms, but never Electro House. It didn't exist in record stores, nor did anyone claim to spin that genre. 2004 is about right - but that's still only 'proto-Electro-House'. Subject #2: Electro House is not Electro Enough said. Electro is a completely different genre, a breakbeat form using a certain set of drum and synth timbres (cowbells lol, 808 drums, dirty monosynth basslines, vocoding and NEVER harmony or chords). Those Dave Clarke World Service CDs are great examples of the Electro which still existed in 2005 (although I believe he still relied on old tracks a lot at that point). Electro peaked in the 80s, but the sound definitely carried on as a niche genre all the way through until about the mid-2000. To my ears, Electro House has very little to do with real Electro, and I kind of believe it should be called 'Electric House' or something instead - but that's just me. Subject #3: "Lolwut? Techno is from Detroit?" Wow. As a Detroiter, of course I'm proud of this heritage and I'm shocked that people still don't grasp this. Did the Belleville 3 'invent Techno out of nothing'? No. Of course not. Chicago and New York House were emerging and Acid House was on the tip of London's tongue. But Detroit definitely had a musical voice which was as globally important and influential as these other cities. What I'm more proud of re: Detroit's scene is that it has continually persisted from that first movement and that we have some of the most discerning, educated EDM fans in the world. We had a second wave in the 90s with Hawtin and Carl Craig, another in the 2000s with Ghostly and Paxahau, and we still put out a lot of records. There's an entire colony of Detroit expats thriving in Berlin right now, including Seth Troxler who was DJing shady after-hours spots when he was 16 (#2 RA DJ poll? #1 this year?). Anyway, yeah - 'Real Undergound Techno' comes from Detroit and we've continued to have among the greatest impact on its sound over the last 25 years (along with Berlin, Montreal, London, Tokyo and, to a lesser extent, New York). The David Guettas and Tiestos of the world? That's a COMPLETELY different tradition and history. That's all derived from continental European stuff (post-post Italo Disco) that has nothing to do with Techno.
Dania Harmonson 11.06.2012	I believe that the first mainstream elektro house song here in Europe was benny benassi - satisfaction
Lashawn Maycock 11.06.2012	Originally Posted by Shane Says I wasn't there but I was under he impression that in the early 2000's the term dubstep was still battling with the terms, FWD (music), techstep (I know that's a subgenre of DNB) and sublow (grime). Either way I was guessing 2003 when dubstep beat the other names on my first post but plastician posted this a while back. http://www.dubstepcommunity .com/viewtopic.php?t=100924 Absolutely, I agree, there was a lot of terms flying about then for the sub genres of UK Garage. I recall listening to Mary Anne Hobbs' Breezeblock shows on Radio 1 and it coming up - she really is an awesome DJ, shame the Beeb let her go but her shows on XFM are just as good.
Salvatore Husley 11.06.2012	Originally Posted by backtothefront just taking a half time break, shame about the equaliser, anyhoo... Dubstep, I defintely heard the term coined in the UK around 2001/2002 on the back of the 2nd renaissance of UK garage, the first being around 1997. Dubstep also coincided with the launch of BBC Radio 1Xtra, which had many different shows showcasing UK garage and it's offshoots... The 1Xtra UKG Mix show being one of them. I wasn't there but I was under he impression that in the early 2000's the term dubstep was still battling with the terms, FWD (music), techstep (I know that's a subgenre of DNB) and sublow (grime). Either way I was guessing 2003 when dubstep beat the other names on my first post but plastician posted this a while back. http://www.dubstepcommunity .com/viewtopic.php?t=100924
Lashawn Maycock 11.06.2012	Originally Posted by Shane Says Also dubstep definitely wasn't coined until the mid 2000's. Check out this mix from Skream from 2004. This is what "dubstep" sounded like back then. Really it was in it's in between stage from dark 2-step garage to dubstep. http://www.liveforthefunk.com/2011/0...am-jan-04-mix/ just taking a half time break, shame about the equaliser, anyhoo... Dubstep, I defintely heard the term coined in the UK around 2001/2002 on the back of the 2nd renaissance of UK garage, the first being around 1997. Dubstep also coincided with the launch of BBC Radio 1Xtra, which had many different shows showcasing UK garage and it's offshoots... The 1Xtra UKG Mix show being one of them.
Alla Bluemke 11.06.2012	Originally Posted by Sublim&All at the people who actually believe the origin of everything comes from the US. It's not like nothing happened in Europe at the same time... Nice try to start something. But no.
Salvatore Husley 09.06.2012	It's faulty in some areas but it helps a lot of young guns understand how everything relates (look under breakbeat for electro): http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/ Electro house and electro are two different genres. Electro house and brostep sound close and were created around the same time. Also dubstep definitely wasn't coined until the mid 2000's. Check out this mix from Skream from 2004. This is what "dubstep" sounded like back then. Really it was in it's in between stage from dark 2-step garage to dubstep. http://www.liveforthefunk.com/2011/0...am-jan-04-mix/ If you want a better understanding of it's history please listen to: http://www.getdarker.com/audio/sets/...-1---06-12-10/ There are two parts. Also use this chart to help understand key players in the development of dubstep: http://joenice.net/files/pics/ROOTS.jpg
Nilsa Erben 09.06.2012	Even this is not "old electronic music" - I thought you were going to talk about Autobahn, or go even further back to Switched on Bach or something! Anyhow, this is seminal stuff, I would believe you all knew about things like this... Planet Rock
Freida Leash 08.06.2012	Originally Posted by djproben But long before dubstep and grime there was Miami Bass, so maybe we want to retroactively call that the beginning of dubstep The Miami Bass/Electro act that I loved was Soul Oddity, later albums under a different name Phoenicia was more on the click and whirl tip of autechre, arovane or mouse on mars.
Johnetta Olewine 08.06.2012	Originally Posted by SirReal The US has had a very positive exchange with the UK & Europe over the years musically. The Beatles & Stones were influenced by US Blues and Rock & Roll becoming the 2 biggest, most respected Rock & Roll bands ever. While Techno & House may be considered to have come from Detroit & Chicago respectively, it took the UK to ingest, tweak & step it up to outdoor Raves & Full Moon Parties (Some bringing that vibe back to the States and starting parties here.) It's all very cyclical. Really good point. It was much more of a co-operative relationship rather than a competitive one. Really wish I was part of the scene, be it in the UK/Europe or Detroit at the time, it would have been wild!
Antonetta Wikel 08.06.2012	The US has had a very positive exchange with the UK & Europe over the years musically. The Beatles & Stones were influenced by US Blues and Rock & Roll becoming the 2 biggest, most respected Rock & Roll bands ever. While Techno & House may be considered to have come from Detroit & Chicago respectively, it took the UK to ingest, tweak & step it up to outdoor Raves & Full Moon Parties (Some bringing that vibe back to the States and starting parties here.) It's all very cyclical.
Ulysses Vittetoe 08.06.2012	Originally Posted by MWagner Detroit was big into Italo Disco and Kraftwerk at the time, so there was an undeniably strong European influence. It's pretty well established that Techno itself started in Detroit though. It has nothing to do with believeing "everything comes from the US", so you can throw your strawman away. Yeah no one was even claiming that everything comes from the US. You can never doubt Europe's role in the development/birth of so many electronic music genres.

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