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Help needed on NI and USB 3.0
Posted on: 20.06.2012 by Jenell Knorpp
Been looking all over the lovely internet, but at no avail..

I have been saving for 3 years since i bought my last macbook.. Finally it was time.. But not being savy when it comes to computers i foolishly decided to listen to the salesperson in the applestore, and left with a brand new macbook air.. lovely machine.. fast and light.. BUT.. he failed to mention that theres a difference between the pro and air usb ports.. and even though i showed him the requirements for traktor, he advised me to go with the air..

So here i am.. With a broken setup as i cant get my trusty old Audio 8 to work.. So what now?.. Is there any known fix for this?.. I found none.. Do any of the other NI audio cards work with usb 3.0?.. Found none here too..

So are there any audio cards that work well with traktor AND usb 3.0?.. Or am i just fucked?..

If anyone has any suggestions, solutions or ANYTHING constructive, plz add.. im angry, and desperate and sad.. And unable to digital dj..
Lina Rawie
26.06.2012
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
So you can set windows to prevent programs from stealing association's? Nice. How do you do that?
You clearly aren't even reading what I'm saying. What you're saying is utterly irrelevant. But to answer your question, you can use a group policy, User Account Control, or a restricted user account.
Kiyoko Wellisch
26.06.2012
Originally Posted by DJSigma
No, he's wrong because he believes that software setting file associations without asking is the ONLY way for software to work in Windows. It's not. I complained about Quicktime on DJ Forums and his response was to post a wall of words about how shit Windows, Microsoft in general, and Silverlight are. He's just a fanboy idiot.
So you can set windows to prevent programs from stealing association's? Nice. How do you do that?

Originally Posted by frequencym
As I recall you stated you tried an A6. From all I've seen the A6/A10/S2/KA6 work on the new Macs, it's the older interfaces A2/A4/A8/S4 that don't. And I've seen several reports on the NI community s of those not working on Windows PC's as well. (Although that gets even more complicated as at least some of those reports would be of pre-Ivy Bridge PC's where the USB 3.0 chipset vendor would be someone other than Intel).

...

Bottom line is I don't believe what OS you decide to run is going to give you blanket immunity from this problem.
Bingo.
This is going to be a pain for all OS's I believe.
Allan Neubert
26.06.2012
Originally Posted by DJSigma
Well, perhaps you should consider what this thread is about - USB 3.0 not working properly on Macs. It works fine for me.
As I recall you stated you tried an A6. From all I've seen the A6/A10/S2/KA6 work on the new Macs, it's the older interfaces A2/A4/A8/S4 that don't. And I've seen several reports on the NI community s of those not working on Windows PC's as well. (Although that gets even more complicated as at least some of those reports would be of pre-Ivy Bridge PC's where the USB 3.0 chipset vendor would be someone other than Intel).

I've also seen reports that the S4 worked great on 10.7.3, and broke when people installed the 10.7.4 update Apple released a couple of days after the IB laptops were released. (Note that the retina MBP shipped with 10.7.4.)

Bottom line is I don't believe what OS you decide to run is going to give you blanket immunity from this problem.
Lina Rawie
26.06.2012
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
What? You're saying that the operating system giving applications free reign to hijack file type associations isn't a flaw..? That's like saying that a security flaw isn't a problem with the OS, it's a problem with the malware that abuses it...
No, it's not a flaw at all. Software installed on OS X can automatically set file associations as well. That wasn't the point though. The point was that Mostapha was wrong, as he often is. If you install a media player on Windows and it hijacks every audio/video file type without asking you, that is 100% the fault of the author of that piece of software.

Well written software will ask you which file types you want to associate, as VLC does, for example: -

Kiyoko Wellisch
26.06.2012
Originally Posted by DJSigma
Also, as anyone that has actually used Windows for more than 5 minutes knows, applications can either associate themselves with file types without asking (bad practice in many cases), they can associate themselves with no file types, or they can give the user the option on install (which is good practice for software that does music/video playback). It is not a Windows issue as he claimed. It's an issue with the software being installed.
What? You're saying that the operating system giving applications free reign to hijack file type associations isn't a flaw..? That's like saying that a security flaw isn't a problem with the OS, it's a problem with the malware that abuses it...
Lina Rawie
26.06.2012
Originally Posted by mostapha
Not an option. Not having to use Windows is worth more to me than the cost of CDJ-2000s.
Yeah, from the posts you make about Windows on DJF it is pretty clear that you haven't used it, lol.

Still, I'm sure Apple will get there eventually.
Dorie Scelzo
25.06.2012
Originally Posted by DJSigma
Go Windows 7
Not an option. Not having to use Windows is worth more to me than the cost of CDJ-2000s.
Cristian Carmona
26.06.2012		guy back on topic, por favor.
Leighann Kashat
26.06.2012		As I was talking with NI's support regarding my Traktor Collection (which got sorted out!), they said they have noted Apple HQ about their products not working properly with the new MacBooks USB 2.0 / 3.0 ports, so hopefully it should be sorted out relativly quickly.
Lina Rawie
26.06.2012		Can you not figure it out from what I've written already? I'll repeat it: -

I complained on DJF about Quicktime hijacking file associations on Windows. Mostapha (jumping to Apple's defence as always) said that this was the fault of Windows as that was the way all software worked on Windows.

He's wrong, because software on Windows can do 1 of 3 things when you install it: -

1) It can associate itself with file types without asking the user (depending on Windows/account settings).
2) It can associate itself with no file types at all.
3) It can ask the user on install and let them choose which file types they want to associate.

So if the software does 1, then it is the fault of the software author, not the fault of Windows. What you were talking about is irrelevant to this.
Kiyoko Wellisch
26.06.2012		What are you saying then?
Lina Rawie
26.06.2012
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
So you can set windows to prevent programs from stealing association's? Nice. How do you do that?
You clearly aren't even reading what I'm saying. What you're saying is utterly irrelevant. But to answer your question, you can use a group policy, User Account Control, or a restricted user account.
Kiyoko Wellisch
26.06.2012
Originally Posted by DJSigma
No, he's wrong because he believes that software setting file associations without asking is the ONLY way for software to work in Windows. It's not. I complained about Quicktime on DJ Forums and his response was to post a wall of words about how shit Windows, Microsoft in general, and Silverlight are. He's just a fanboy idiot.
So you can set windows to prevent programs from stealing association's? Nice. How do you do that?

Originally Posted by frequencym
As I recall you stated you tried an A6. From all I've seen the A6/A10/S2/KA6 work on the new Macs, it's the older interfaces A2/A4/A8/S4 that don't. And I've seen several reports on the NI community s of those not working on Windows PC's as well. (Although that gets even more complicated as at least some of those reports would be of pre-Ivy Bridge PC's where the USB 3.0 chipset vendor would be someone other than Intel).

...

Bottom line is I don't believe what OS you decide to run is going to give you blanket immunity from this problem.
Bingo.
This is going to be a pain for all OS's I believe.
Allan Neubert
26.06.2012
Originally Posted by DJSigma
Well, perhaps you should consider what this thread is about - USB 3.0 not working properly on Macs. It works fine for me.
As I recall you stated you tried an A6. From all I've seen the A6/A10/S2/KA6 work on the new Macs, it's the older interfaces A2/A4/A8/S4 that don't. And I've seen several reports on the NI community s of those not working on Windows PC's as well. (Although that gets even more complicated as at least some of those reports would be of pre-Ivy Bridge PC's where the USB 3.0 chipset vendor would be someone other than Intel).

I've also seen reports that the S4 worked great on 10.7.3, and broke when people installed the 10.7.4 update Apple released a couple of days after the IB laptops were released. (Note that the retina MBP shipped with 10.7.4.)

Bottom line is I don't believe what OS you decide to run is going to give you blanket immunity from this problem.
Lina Rawie
26.06.2012
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
He's wrong in believeing it's a flaw for an OS to let apps hijack file associations?
No, he's wrong because he believes that software setting file associations without asking is the ONLY way for software to work in Windows. It's not. I complained about Quicktime on DJ Forums and his response was to post a wall of words about how shit Windows, Microsoft in general, and Silverlight are. He's just a fanboy idiot.

Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
And I still don't get your "apple will get there some day" remark. Windows is fucking terrible with USB audio/midi devices in my experience, in what respect do you believe it's vastly superior to Mac OS and other OS's?
Well, perhaps you should consider what this thread is about - USB 3.0 not working properly on Macs. It works fine for me.
Kiyoko Wellisch
26.06.2012		He's wrong in believeing it's a flaw for an OS to let apps hijack file associations?
I believe that's a flaw.

I'm also willing to bet that when he said he stopped using Windows a decade ago he means stopped using it as his primary OS. I dare say he's tried it since.

And I still don't get your "apple will get there some day" remark. Windows is fucking terrible with USB audio/midi devices in my experience, in what respect do you believe it's vastly superior to Mac OS and other OS's?
Lina Rawie
26.06.2012
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
What? You're saying that the operating system giving applications free reign to hijack file type associations isn't a flaw..? That's like saying that a security flaw isn't a problem with the OS, it's a problem with the malware that abuses it...
No, it's not a flaw at all. Software installed on OS X can automatically set file associations as well. That wasn't the point though. The point was that Mostapha was wrong, as he often is. If you install a media player on Windows and it hijacks every audio/video file type without asking you, that is 100% the fault of the author of that piece of software.

Well written software will ask you which file types you want to associate, as VLC does, for example: -

Kiyoko Wellisch
26.06.2012
Originally Posted by DJSigma
Also, as anyone that has actually used Windows for more than 5 minutes knows, applications can either associate themselves with file types without asking (bad practice in many cases), they can associate themselves with no file types, or they can give the user the option on install (which is good practice for software that does music/video playback). It is not a Windows issue as he claimed. It's an issue with the software being installed.
What? You're saying that the operating system giving applications free reign to hijack file type associations isn't a flaw..? That's like saying that a security flaw isn't a problem with the OS, it's a problem with the malware that abuses it...
Lina Rawie
27.06.2012
Originally Posted by Mostapha
The instant I can start a text file with #!/bin/bash on Windows, set mode 700, and have it work correctly without having to resort to a stop-gap like cygwin, I'll consider re-believeing my opinion
lol...... Well, I'm glad you have a good reason for avoiding Windows.

Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Why do you believe he hasn't used it?
Because I read what he writes on DJ Forums. For instance, I complained about Quicktime on Windows taking over file associations without asking, and this was part of the wall of words he wrote as a response: -

Originally Posted by Mostapha
That's a Windows issue. It does that any time you install software that opens specific files, though it seems that it used to be better about it the last time I used Windows (NT and 2000 for a long time then XP for a few months before I jumped ship).
XP came out 11 years ago.

Also, as anyone that has actually used Windows for more than 5 minutes knows, applications can either associate themselves with file types without asking (bad practice in many cases), they can associate themselves with no file types, or they can give the user the option on install (which is good practice for software that does music/video playback). It is not a Windows issue as he claimed. It's an issue with the software being installed.

Basically, it's common for Mostapha to make inept, lengthy posts about things he knows fuck all about and Windows is just one of them. He compares aspects of old versions of Windows that are 10+ years old with the latest version of OS X in order to make his point, which is clearly bollocks, hence the reply above: -

Originally Posted by Jack Bastard
You aren't really up to date on Windows by the looks of it Mostapha.....

27.06.2012		You aren't really up to date on Windows by the looks of it Mostapha and it doesn't look like you have a huge amount of experience anyway. You can create a text file from Powershell in exactly the same way that you can in bash.
Dorie Scelzo
26.06.2012		Actually, I've been employed as a windows network/system admin for a startup and might end up doing that again. I've trouble-shot IIS and MS SQL for small/medium businesses for pay. I've installed automated network backup stuff. I've done vsphere implementations, data deduplication, server setups, etc.. I've done registry hacks to fix botched login information when one of the labs at Tech lost the only machine in the school that could run our EEG and it somehow got a password that no one knew about and ended up correcting a boot sector virus manually (well…using a linux live cd). I'm not a n00b when it comes to Windows.

I don't consider myself amazing at Windows because I try to avoid it and have to re-learn things just about every time they come up. But I'd hazard to say that I'm still in the top 10 or 15% even with having to look things up all the time……at least, with anything not dealing with audio…because I just don't care about audio on Windows.

But, there is nothing I've found on Windows that beats out the ability to use a real shell or highly integrated scripting. If I never saw Windows again, I'd be a happy camper. And while Apple scares the shit out of me with their continued devotion to iOS, they've got a long way to go before I give up on them. It's possible. But I just don't see it happening. I also used to hate OS X as "that pretty thing that you can't do anything with" up until OS X.

Then again, I admit I'm weird. I don't use a mouse to browse the web.

The instant I can start a text file with #!/bin/bash on Windows, set mode 700, and have it work correctly without having to resort to a stop-gap like cygwin, I'll consider re-believeing my opinion…and when it has a package manager that actually works.

But it won't be Windows anymore.

Until that happens, I'm a *nix-like fanboy through and through. And OS X is the one that can run audio apps that don't suck.

I'd love it if real audio apps ran on Linux (with the real-time kernel, of course) because I could ditch a lot of the eye candy and "features" that I still believe get in the way. And it takes me a little while to get a normal install of OS X to work the way I want it to. But I just don't see that happening any time soon, mostly because things change too fast and it would be really hard to keep up with linux updates and version skew for everything that you'd need to run.
Kiyoko Wellisch
26.06.2012		Why do you believe he hasn't used it?

Get where?
Lina Rawie
26.06.2012
Originally Posted by mostapha
Not an option. Not having to use Windows is worth more to me than the cost of CDJ-2000s.
Yeah, from the posts you make about Windows on DJF it is pretty clear that you haven't used it, lol.

Still, I'm sure Apple will get there eventually.
Dorie Scelzo
25.06.2012
Originally Posted by DJSigma
Go Windows 7
Not an option. Not having to use Windows is worth more to me than the cost of CDJ-2000s.
Cristian Carmona
25.06.2012
Originally Posted by itajeN
Go SSL. Problem = solved.
Itajen hit me up and said its working with the SL-1 with 3.0 but hes getting some crazy display issues
Lina Rawie
25.06.2012
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
What card Sigma?
ASMedia, built into this MOBO: -

http://uk.asus.com/Motherboards/Inte...s_IV_GENEZGEN3

EDIT - Oh yeah, if you meant which sound card, then it's a Traktor Audio 6.
Kiyoko Wellisch
25.06.2012		What card Sigma?
Lina Rawie
25.06.2012
Originally Posted by itajeN
Go SSL. Problem = solved.
Go Windows 7 = problem solved too. USB 3.0 works great for me.
Kiyoko Wellisch
25.06.2012
Originally Posted by itajeN
Go SSL. Problem = solved.
So do the SL# cards have no problems with USB 3.0?
Dorie Scelzo
25.06.2012		Oh, so my SL1 will work on USB 3.0 ports?
Dewey Melchi
25.06.2012		Go SSL. Problem = solved.
Stanley Peckman
24.06.2012		Just want to say thanks to all the poster's on this thread, I wanted to buy a new MBP, came on here read this and bought the outgoing 13" 10.74 late 2011 spec with usb 2.0's instead of the new model on Friday evening . Got a good discount too.

Without this community I'd be gutted right now crying in to my beer.

Serious Thanks.
Dorie Scelzo
23.06.2012		Money.

2000s are the only ones I feel like I'd be happy with, and they're not worth it considering that it's about the same price as the stanton unit (which I know is crap and something I'll throw away eventually), plus a room worth of treatments, a decent desk, and another 2TB backup drive. If I'm going to compromise anyway just to be able to record and "practice" without switching completely back to vinyl, it's either around $1000 for CDJs that I'm not going to be happy with or $500 for that thing that I'm not going to be happy with……both would be a sunk cost since I'm not excited about the prospect of re-selling…and that one's cheaper.

Or TS A6. That'd be even cheaper…it'd just require the computer. Ugh. Too complicated. All I want to do is play music without headaches or feeling like I'm wasting money (like my last Pioneer CDJs).

Whatever…too far off topic.

Edit: Or…when my GF buys a new computer, I could probably get my old Macbook back, install SSL, and just never upgrade. That'd be even cheaper. Yeah…that's what I'm going to do.
Kiyoko Wellisch
23.06.2012		Why an scs.4dj rather than a CD player?

Also weren't Eks making a scs.4dj style thingy with The One inside?
Dorie Scelzo
23.06.2012		I mean…the thing is that it's totally doable for a DJ setup. Taking the computer completely out of a production rig is, well, possible……but it's a huge PITA.

Would I be completely stupid for considering vinyl + SCS.4dj for home and rekordbox-prep'd keys for anywhere else? Or just not practicing. That could work.

Also…yeah…I love it when threads go completely off topic.
Sylvia Greener
23.06.2012
Originally Posted by mostapha
Personally, I'm debating taking the computer completely out of my dj setup just to make that side simpler. Unfortunately, that also makes it more expensive.
Same here. Not intending to take the computer out of my DJ setup but especially reducing its importance in my production. But as we all have noticed: Hardware is damn expensive...
Kiyoko Wellisch
23.06.2012		I'm in a similar situation here. Sadly the CD players I'm interested in are not cheap
Dorie Scelzo
23.06.2012		I'd imagine a driver update would fix a lot of them. Depending on exactly how things work, I'd imagine that some would just be fucked, which seems to match what NI said about the audio 2/4/8 and what serato seems to have said about the sl1.

It's one of those times when everything is about to get expensive and people using "legacy" hardware are about to just have to stop upgrading. The same thing happened when apple switched to intel. An before that. And the PCIx to PCIe switch. It'll happen again and again
Kiyoko Wellisch
23.06.2012		That's it, I have no idea what the problem is. I'm entirely ignorant so I'm asking questions

Is a new driver all that is needed?
Sylvia Greener
23.06.2012
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
So is there really no fixing it? Is this going to be a problem with all cards?

Will all our existing USB soundcards become completely worthless when no laptops include usb 2.0 ports?
This isn't a hardware problem, is it? So the companies would have to fix the driver and software issues and the problem will be solved.

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