Virtual DJ VS Tractor Pro - Why not ?
Virtual DJ VS Tractor Pro - Why not ? Posted on: 21.12.2009 by Martha Desplinter I trully don't understand why everybody seems to ignore VDJ?I have been looking for an answer of this question for 2 days and hope somebody more pro will explain in details. Some say Tractor PRO Is more stable program, but is this is the only reason? The only thing I noticed with VDJ is that when change the pitich it sound unnatural like if the track always changes its speed and it is not stable. I believe with traktor pro it is not like that , but correct me if I am wrong. I have tried both and feel more fun using VDJ so the question is why would I change to Tractor PRO and why the PRO dj's seems to prefer it? | |
| Myrtle Billegas 24.09.2010 | just check the midi fight club report on the frontpage. i used VDJ in front of roughly 1200 people. Look at at the video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acKow...layer_embedded Do you have a link to the locked thread? VDJ is all about the right performance settings, i got it running on a 1.2 ghz atom netbook with all audio effects on! Netsearch is blocked by a few countries and their ISP. Get your info before purchasing i would assume. They even state that in their EULA, too. I tried it, it works. Its not that VDJ is the unstable part in your setup, its the vci |
| Martha Desplinter 23.09.2010 | 99 decks wow . I wonder how many problems they will have with all these if they can't even make 2 of them stable. I will tell you what is the main difference between VirtualDJ and traktor : VirtualDJ looks nice with extra video support and samples , but unstable and practicaly useless (maybe good only for a gig in a bedroom) Traktor has everything apart from the video support + extra effect that for a change sound nice and the samples will be added with the new S4 controller coming out soon + it is 100% reliable and usable for a real gig. Since I switched I haven't had a single crash. The only thing I can complain is the midi mapping VirtualDJ follows the programing coding similiar to javascript and PHP so you can do almost anything you want and it is all stored in simple XML file Traktor has small window that cannot be resized. can get lost easy because every function is a new line. Cannot combine functions and options for the same button so for example if you want to make a buton do somehting like : if the deck is playing , in loop and M1 = 1(controlling deck A), M1 = 2(controlling deck C) M2 = 1 The jog wheel will controll the loop length M3 = 1The jog wheel will move the loop It is impossible because each midi mapping line only can have only 2 modifiers for each function The samples are very important , but I am sure the new version will include them. about the video I am sure they are working on it and will include it once it is stable, unlike VirtualDJ which leave the beta testing to their customers. Hope they go out of business soon. Sorry for my attitude, but just can't stand the fact that I am $300 out of pocket , my account is blocked , the posts on their community s about my experience have been deleted and they are well protected behind their terms and conditions. Virtual DJ the best Beta software that doesn't work. If there is even a sinlge person that is not paid by VirtualDJ and can confirm that he uses VirtualDJ for real gigs with at least 1000 people, I will give him my serial number for free |
| Dannie Widlak 10.09.2010 | I love VDJ. Don't get me wrong, Traktor has a good deal of features that are superior... but VDJ has its areas of strength too. One is the mix preview window. You can see both waveforms, in time, and that's very handy to have. Video mixing is great too and most controllers that are compatible with Traktor also work with VDJ (and vice versa). FX are a little weaker, but you have a lot of available plugins and custom skins for VDJ, which helps to compensate. The key detection is an amazing feature and really helps me out when I'm spinning trance, where matching the keys is incredibly important. The database is implemented differently, but it's roughly equal in capability. The only big drawback to VDJ is having to run two instances to use 4 decks. That is very annoying.. but I hear that's being addressed in VDJ 7. I do a lot of streaming on various internet radio stations as practice, when I'm light on gigs. And VDJ is vastly superior to Traktor for this if only because Shoutcast support is built in. One could argue that Traktor's Icecast functionality is actually superior... but it's also not supported anywhere near as much as Shoutcast is, so for streaming on most stations, you pretty much have to go VDJ. Now I'm not knocking Traktor... I use both programs. I just tend to use Traktor more in a studio environment. NI rules the roost in that arena. Output quality is a hair better in Traktor, and you can sync it with pretty much anything. For streaming and video, I go with VDJ, and for most of my club gigs, I use VDJ as well, though if I'm doing a lot of live performing (on the synth and in ableton) in addition to spinning, I'll sometimes use Traktor. They both have their places, I believe. Can't wait for VDJ7, that's for sure. |
| Epifania Fiely 10.09.2010 | I have been running itch, serato, traktor pro and vdj, I basically have all the software I need but as much as I love traktor it gave me more errors and problems then vdj. I had initially bought VDJ for video dj'ing because serato video software was buggy as hell but now I'm actually believeing about switching completely to vdj for mixing, I have the ns7 and vci-100(arcade edition) and it runs smooth, coupled with my rme fireface 400. The new VDJ 7 will truly support up to 99 decks and they will revamp the syncing and will launch their new EQ system. Here's the new features: - True multi deck (up to 99 decks). - New "advanced" sound config panel - Improved "advanced" timestretch algorithm - Support "linein" input in sound config, complete with waveform display, effects, bpm sync, on-the-fly record, etc - Support "microphone" input in sound config, with effects, record, etc - New soundengine with three timestretch modes: "pure scratch", "fast" and "advanced" - New "fullscreen" browser mode - Improved video engine, with optimized faster H.264 decoding - Support midi over firewire for controllers (IE Stanton DJ controllers) And from what I hear it will be endorsed by Pioneer and Denon. I can't wait. |
| Martha Desplinter 07.09.2010 | Hi all I started this post and you would never believe the end of the story: After 1 month of troubleshooting virtual DJ's crashes I realised how wrong I was about it. My VCI-100 caused the VDJ to crash every few hours , but I assume it would crash with any other controllers as well , after 1 month of troubleshooting I gave up and asked them for full refund. The simple fact was that they couldn't find the cause for the crashes, and at the end just stopped replying to my requests for help in their ticket system. This made me quite annoyed and I complained in their open community so it is open for everybody to see my case. They literally replied within 1 hour and I was quite surprised as in their ticket system which should be main priority the reply time was 2-3 days. after my few more posts and companies they deleted every post I made and now even blocked my professional membership account which I paid for. Virtual DJ literally ROBBED ME. Within their trial period I didn't have the VCI-100 controller and I really regret that as I would have known I shouldn't buy it Few things everybody should know about Virtual DJ 1. The netsearch doesn't work for most EU countries and they want extra money ( |
| Charleen Duesenberg 10.08.2010 | Don't believeing about VDJ too much... If It's not good or cannot sold genuine software.... then It cannot stay until Version 6.. It's up to there Vision ..I'm a musician .. I play piano over 15 years...Drums .... some keyboard synth... First time I saw VST I knew...it's a Future of music and It's tech growing so fast... When I saw a New technology New way of music I'm Feel Happy and excited and I tried..to them but for someone they believe It's fake it's not Cool.....this is what's different |
| Nichelle Salls 10.08.2010 | I used to be an absolutely avid VDJ user, but made the happy switch to Traktor once I realised it's a much more robust, well written program. It runs MUCH MORE economically. I would run VDJ on my QuadCore 2.6 4GB Ram and still get latency pops etc... Switching to Traktor - problem solved! brilliant! |
| Towanda Rayment 10.08.2010 |
Originally Posted by greatmesk
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| Myrtle Billegas 10.08.2010 | The cracked versions of VDJ that get thrown around all over the interwebs are modified demo versions. Those cracks lack alot of features, are unstable as hell because of the changed code and some even had a nice bug programmed in that randomly gave a high pitched noise on the speakers, also stalling the pc. I wouldnt judge VDJ on those cracks, just try out the official 20 day trial. If thats not enough time to get sold, the teamers over at virtualdj even grant a extra trial time period. jus |
| Maisie Marras 10.08.2010 |
Originally Posted by dead_devil_66
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| Towanda Rayment 09.08.2010 |
Originally Posted by jakeintox
Ok, i'm almost sold. Oh, there is another cool thing about vdj: i can download it easily through torrents. Awesome |
| Ethel Feigum 09.08.2010 | ^^ yup |
| Towanda Rayment 09.08.2010 | and another thing about the cues: are they visible in the waveform like traktor???? |
| Myrtle Billegas 09.08.2010 | Thats another big plus. Live cam feed, Firetext, Netsearch, Musicgroups... If only the FX and midi sync where as good. But V7 is on its way |
| Ethel Feigum 09.08.2010 | My new favorite thing is running a live video feed through VDJ to mix crowd shots into my video shows. Also, I just got firetext, which allows the audience to send text messages that get displayed on the club's screens. Kinda cheesy imho, but people love it in top 40 clubs. |
| Towanda Rayment 09.08.2010 |
Originally Posted by greatmesk
Ok, that's a HUGE thing over traktor. Now i can see the reasons why VDJ is so expensive. |
| Myrtle Billegas 09.08.2010 | Both |
| Towanda Rayment 09.08.2010 |
Originally Posted by greatmesk
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| Myrtle Billegas 08.08.2010 |
Originally Posted by Kupujte_Pytle
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| Myrtle Billegas 08.08.2010 | Guys. Take a seat. Everyones sitting? How about drinks and popcorn, cause now its getting interesting... ready? Here we go: VDJ has infinite number of cue points! Not 5. Not 8. Not 99. Infinite. Like, as much as you want. I myself have some tracks that got like 24 cue points. Its the skins that are misleading cause they only show up to 5 cues or the keyboard that only goes to 9. With the right mapping possibilities are endless. IMHO Traktor only beats VDJ and Serato because of the effects, beatgrid and most importantly in my case, midi sync with ableton or maschine. But on the other hand i can rock serious video shit with VDJ without getting VSL for the price of a controller/ software. |
| Tianna Laguerre 08.08.2010 | Ive tried DVS both in Traktor and VDJ. Perhaps VDJ wasn't properly set-up but it lacked definitely "tightness"... can't be explained. You can tell just by using your hands. |
| Nan Pechart 08.08.2010 | It's seriously misleading, because some skins (even the official ones) have only buttons for 3 or 5, but pushing alt & a number on your keyboard sets a new one. (At least 9. Don't know if the 0 key gives you a 10th and you can maybe do something with other keys too. Like I said, I never needed more than 9.) |
| Towanda Rayment 08.08.2010 | in VDJ, can we have the number of cue points that we want?!!!! That would be really REALLY awesome |
| Nan Pechart 08.08.2010 | Because you can have 9 in VDJ. (Maybe more. Never needed more and don't know the keys for everything over 9, if there are any.) |
| Towanda Rayment 07.08.2010 | i don't remember VDJ being able to support 8 hot cues.... *roll eyes* |
| Lucien Kowis 07.08.2010 | Really enjoying the balance in this debate, when I saw the title I thought VDJ would get a slating! It was my first digital DJ program too and I loved it, DJed professionally with it for years. I never took to Traktor because I want the simple things doing with no fuss, and when I first used Serato ITCH I knew I had my program - it's all about the waveforms for me, and in that field both Serato ITCH and VDJ beat Traktor. I have to admit though, the second that new Traktor controller comes out I am shelling out for one because it looks the business, and I'll put up with any shortcomings in software to have a go on some of what it seems to offer. |
| Nan Pechart 07.08.2010 | Nice to see some love for VDJ. I never really understood its bad reputation, although if you really believe about it, it most likely came from its butt ugly skin pre V5 (The blue with the turntables), that Hercules controllers* came always with outdated and restricted versions that made many people believe it's what the full version is like and of course the lack of big names who endorse the product. I mean Traktor, Serato & Co advertise with names like Carl Cox, while all VDJ has to offer are Coldcut, who are without a doubt legends, but not a household name for da kids. But y'know, even with a torrented Version 3 I never had any stability or performance problems. Meanwhile I use a bought Version 6.1 and I still don't have any problems. I tried Traktor once for a while and I'm not saying it's a bad program, but I switched back to VDJ pretty quick. *Which are also much better than their reputation, although I can see why many DJs refuse to take something with such a cheap plastic case out of the bedroom. At least since RMX/Steel they ditched the plastic. |
| Myrtle Billegas 06.08.2010 | true. but why not, cheap entry djs are a huge market. once they get to know that it takes more than cheap gear, VDJ comes in handy: - native support for every midicontroller out there. Also every soundcard. If a controller is not supported natively its totally easy to map with a simple wrapper inside vdj. Get any good soundcard out there and it works. If something gets broken during a gig i just replace it with a backup unit. -Its stable as hell without much configuration.VDJ is laid out to work with everything out there -No limit to audio only. Karaoke, Video, Slideshows, VJing. All in one unit. Without the need to get a 200 dollar upgrade. - free upgrades - mapping abilities supperior to traktor imho - one can create a own skin/ GUI - quantized cuejumps was introduced in 6.0 -4 decks through multi instances are no problem, even 3 times or 4 Traktor (Scratch) Pro only has tighter sync, waaaaay better fx and 0.5 db more output But i hope things will get even when V7 arrives. But you all didnt know this from me... |
| Maisie Marras 06.08.2010 |
Originally Posted by krimen
but i hardly find this essential |
| Linn Prante 06.08.2010 | Hi everybody, i logged in just to reply. A) I use a VCI-100 (firmware 1.1)(in windows XP and now 7) for Hip-Hop scratching and live control. B) I use VDJ, because i experienced several crashes with traktor in any version of it (3 and pro). At first i thought it was a firmware issue, but it is not (because i solved it by swithching off/on and restarting traktor) the crashes came while scratching (+ FX + CUE jumping + ... ) C) since I moved to VDJ 6 I've had no crash. D) VDJ is lighter. E) It is true that EQ and FX are far better in Traktor. F) In Traktor you are able to use Boolean variables to Expand you mapping possibilities. G) In VDJ you map according to VDJ own programing language in which i'm getting into. By now i have infinite cue points, very useful for me. H) In VDJ you can use 2 sound cards, this is essential. I know nobody read long posts..neither do i hehehe, but this is my experience, with VDJ i improved in stability a lot, no crashes no bullshit just flow. |
| Martha Desplinter 02.01.2010 | Also just remembered. Have you noticed when using traktor and pitch bend the sound cuts for a milisecond before it restores the original tempo and it doesn't restore it smoothly like in vdj. I find this really non vinyl. Same thing done with VDJ sound amazing. |
| Martha Desplinter 02.01.2010 | advancd Midi maping is not an issue with VDJ anymore, also not havinf samples in tractor pro is a big step back!. About the effect have you tried all VDJ effects? There are plenty to use and love I wonder why Ean hasn't put his hands on this software yet and create some nice mapping and some cool DJtechschool skin |
| Vernon Vanderberg 24.12.2009 |
Originally Posted by transient
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| Many Atia 24.12.2009 | Yeah and you also get the option to use several different timecode signals, and any soundcard you damn well please unlike scratch live. I'm not going to switch anytime soon though |
| Victor BlueDragon 24.12.2009 | Yes, Traktor has it in the FX dept. , but that's all. Vinyl control is tight as hell with SSL TC, and even better with the SCS. I was very surpised with the perfromance when i started using 6. I was just like everybody else. Writing it off as "that" program everybody fooled around with on their computer. It ain't like that anymore. This is a serious DVS, and as I said already, the midi controll is even better. One area it beats Traktor is vinyl control, YES I SAID THAT!, due in part to the ability to easily go into the pref and adjust the sensitivity quickly. |
| Kum Krogman 24.12.2009 | I originally had VirtualDJ 5.2 and loved it. I learned how to DJ on it, and it inspired me to buy my TotalControl. But I wanted the Midi Mapping features in Traktor, which is why I switched. But now there is VDJ 6.0, with the new MIDI features and all. I try to use traktor, but as said before, I can't seem to get away from VDJ because its easy interface is what I learned on. |
| Myrtle Billegas 24.12.2009 | true, they kinda shot their own leg. But thats their business plan, cooperating with other companies and let them use the base of the program, like ejay mixstation, Numark Cue or Virtual Vinyl. As Atomix is a web-based company they did need the help of a settled hardware marketer like numark to get into stores in a physicall form. Numark Cue is essentially the same as VDJ or Virtual Vinyl. Only differences are: VDJ is a web-release, cant be bought in stores, Numark Cue is VDJ, but sold in stores and getting updates later cause numark checks them first, and Virtual Vinyl is like Numark Cue, but with a dedicated soundcard like SSL. I believe its a nice idea, that way people that dont buy ish online can get vdj too. |
| Josefina Morandi 23.12.2009 | Yeah true I like that little sampler bank you get down the bottom in VDJ! I really don't know why Numark sells VDJ as "Numark Cue" though, bit of a rip? |
| Myrtle Billegas 23.12.2009 | What about true 4-deck support in TP and double instances with VDJ? TP wins. How about Eans freeze trick. Or even a delay as effect? I cant believe off anything else that VDJ cant do. Dont get me wrong, i love my VDJ and wouldnt wanna trade, but honestly there are a few things where TP just wins. And there are points for VDJ also, like as you mentioned, the skin support, video, sampler, the overlapping waveforms (which i dont use nomore, mine lokks like ssl) and much more. A worthy competition IMHO |
| Martha Desplinter 23.12.2009 | I tried Tractor Pro and cant find any function that VDJ doesn't have , but I find few on VDJ that Traktor Pro doesn't have like waveforms overlapping , video mixxing ofcourse , skin support , better song organization (history , most played , compatible songs) |
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