Anyone build a hackintosh for music related stuff?
Anyone build a hackintosh for music related stuff? Posted on: 29.01.2012 by Romelia Stankard I was debating building a new desktop since mine is older and meomory/cpu go through the roof if I have too many VSTs open or kits loaded into maschine and it doesn't even really make sense to dump any money into this thing.I have no experience with building hackintoshes and it seems like they can be a pain in the ass but promising with good planning and buying the right parts there may not be any issues. Windows is also really starting to annoy me so the prospect of building a $5000 mac pro for $1000 is very appealing. I just wonder would there be any particular issues with building a hackintosh for music related stuff? I mean I believe the hardware restrictions would only apply to system components right? Once all the drivers work on the desktop could there be any unforseen issues with software, soundcards, midi controllers, and other basic studio devices? | |
| Dorie Scelzo 31.01.2012 | Mercury or OCZ drives benchmark extremely well, perform great in practice, and din't require TRIM support because their controller chips weren't designed by morons. And other world computing's warranty is better. |
| Romelia Stankard 30.01.2012 | Hmm I've built a lot of computers but not since SSDs have become affordable, there are just so many to choose from and I'm not sure what to look out for in good value/performance in the 120gb range. For backup I'll just use time machine so not really worried about that. |
| Lang Abriel 30.01.2012 | Your believeing of backing up on an SSD is not completely correct. First off it will be much easier to recover data if you have it on a strictly storage drive but I am speaking from a windows perspective, I've never dealth with OSX with multiple drives. But keeping your 'important' files and apps and OS separate is more likely to save files, what reasons would a storage drive have to fail other than mechanical failure? Or if you are worried, buy 2 1TB drives for the cost of 1 120GB SSD and just back the data up twice...if you lose data off both drives then you sir are not meant to use a computer. |
| Dorie Scelzo 30.01.2012 | Or buy an SSD that has a real controller chip and doesn't use that BS stop-gap solution that should have never been necessary. Also, I've been lucky, but SSDs have higher failure rates than hard drives and lower MTTF times, in general. They're just so blazing fast that they're worth it. If my Mercury 6G dies, I'll order another one of the same drive and be back up in 24 hours, booting off a drive in a FW chassis in the mean time. If you want data integrity that survives drive crashes |
| Makkins Clifton 30.01.2012 | My Corsair Force F120 works very good with OSX Lion. So should any other SSD. You just have to install the Trim Enabler to have the TRIM-command working. |
| Romelia Stankard 30.01.2012 | I more want space to keep projects and important data on a SSD for security not just for performance. I've had hard drives die and even with regularly backing up it is just peace of mind having it on an SSD. |
| Nila Ragonese 30.01.2012 | Major curiosity about this Quo thing... Anyone ever use one or have one? |
| Dorie Scelzo 30.01.2012 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
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| Romelia Stankard 30.01.2012 |
Originally Posted by rgtb
http://quocomputer.com/ on the other hand is alive and strong and lets you put on whatever you want. |
| Nila Ragonese 30.01.2012 | Prystar is very different. They were selling "non apple branded" machines with OSX in it. This is clearly in violation of Apple's EULA. |
| Ngan Ernestine 30.01.2012 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
i wanna clarify that i'm neither american nor a lawyer. so the initial statement i made was by no means supposed to be the opinion of an expert. i was basically saying what i remembered from the IT press from a few years back. i did a bit of reading on wikipedia and elsewhere and it seems psystar (which built hackintoshs) was found guilty of violating Apple's copyright and of the DMCA. it seems apple employs technical protection measures to prevent people from installing os x on non-apple branded hardware. circumventing those measures might violate that DMCA. |
| Romelia Stankard 30.01.2012 | Hmm maybe I could get by with a 120. I just want to have enough room to save all my projects, samples, and lots of apps. |
| Arcelia Siebeneck 30.01.2012 | just get a 64/128gb SSD for the OS and a regular HDD for your storage |
| Romelia Stankard 30.01.2012 | Only component I'm not really sure of is which SSD since I have a lot of regular HDDs sitting around. They are pretty expensive and I would want at least 240gb and I have no idea the difference between them. |
| Makkins Clifton 30.01.2012 |
Originally Posted by Toast
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| Nila Ragonese 30.01.2012 | So basically a hackintosh is like Fight Club? |
| Marguerite Truka 30.01.2012 | just to respond to hedgehog Apple can put whatever they want in there user agreement it does not make it legally binding. they could put in there user licence that you have to eat pineapples whilst using there products. Would a court take any notice of it. No would a court take notice of something that went against something that goes against a piece of legdeslation they signed up to. Probably not but america has done it in the past In my experience america love signing unto international agreements but just ignore them if they want to do something different |
| Arcelia Siebeneck 30.01.2012 | no worries - didn't mean to bite your head off... just one of my pet peeves with Apple... the fact that they're able to earn almost 1 billion dollars per week profit, have amazing mindshare of the public and yet be one of the most annoyingly forward believeing yet at the same time draconian software/hardware company's out there. And yeah, I can understand why some companies wouldn't want you to use hackintosh hardware... it's not illegal, but at the end of the day if you're (presumably) making money from a gig then you should try and do everything as legit as possible. |
| Dorie Scelzo 30.01.2012 | That could make akai look bad. It's kind of like how if you work for a studio or a tv/movie production company and you say something bad about an artist/actor |
| Makkins Clifton 30.01.2012 | Thanks for the heads-up. I corrected it in my post. |
| Romelia Stankard 30.01.2012 | +1 Mil0, breaking a contract is not illegal. |
| Dorie Scelzo 30.01.2012 | It's also probably not worth apple's time to get on a few people making hackintoshes. I mean |
| Arcelia Siebeneck 30.01.2012 |
Originally Posted by HedgeHog
What we're talking about is a civil matter between two parties - a hackintosh user and Apple. Civil matters aren't considered illegal by the state or federal courts so it isn't criminal to break an EULA as no laws are broken. http://lowendmac.com/ed/fox/09ff/hac...-legality.html
End User License Agreement
This is where Apple's EULA kicks in. They have you agree to a contract before running the software for the first time. That contact states that it can only be installed on Macintosh computers. To do anything else is a breach of contract. The only thing I see here is that breaking a contract is not the same as breaking a criminal law. People break contracts all the time. It is neither a crime nor a sin. Sure, there can be penalties, but people don't generally end up in jail over breaking a contract. Penalties would generally include things like compensatory damages, consequential damages, attorney fees, etc. So by no means is breaking a contract a trivial thing, but it's not a crime. However, it may well be against the community rules to discuss hackintosh stuff so lets wait and see what the community admin say. |
| Lang Abriel 31.01.2012 |
Originally Posted by rgtb
Some solid proof would of weather this is or is not legal would be nice. Don't wanna cause trouble here, I honestly did and do not believe this is illegal but I am up for any proof. Edit: ppl post before I can get my post up...neglect the proof statement, but I still don't see why they don't go after other sites...i mean the hits on google for 'hackintosh' are ridiculous. |
| Makkins Clifton 31.01.2012 | [EDIT] It's atleast against their EULA. EULA of Mac OSX 10.7.2. (Lion) says:
2.I. The grants set forth in this License do not permit you to, and you
agree not to, install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-branded computer, or to enable others to do so. Unless otherwise permitted by the terms of this License: (i) only one user may use the Apple Software at a time, and (ii) you may not make the Apple Software available over a network where it could be run or used by multiple computers at the same time. You may not rent, lease, lend, sell, redistribute or sublicense the Apple Software. P.S. I've got two nicely working Hackintoshes which I can't use because of this legal stuff. You shouldn't use them in public. Apple may sue the shit out of you. It's not worth taking the risk even if the chance of getting caught is small. |
| Nila Ragonese 31.01.2012 |
Originally Posted by Rukks
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| Lang Abriel 31.01.2012 |
Originally Posted by CryderSteez
I've used it and i know quaddro is set up for it but honestly the quaddro cards are pretty pathetic these days, mainstream gaming cards are much more powerful for the price. The cards recommended aka the 6870 is more powerful than the desktops for my school and those seem to run solidworks alright...really depends how intense the models are but at some point you are going to get alot of lag anyways, unless your running 8 cores and multiple cards which at that point you should just build two rigs...one specifically for CAD work. |
| Lang Abriel 31.01.2012 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
From what I've read it is legal if you buy the OS...which you can do. I'll stop posting about it if theres gonna be a legal issue but as an admin if you feel like poking around that site that I posted earlier you can find for sure if its illegal or legal, that site made me believe it was all legal when I was in the process of messing about with it. Edit: Ill dig around more but if apple really wanted to im sure they would have the main sites discussing hackintosh shut down aka hackintosh.com |
| nayit ruiz jaramillo 30.01.2012 | I have only one interest in this thread and that is whether Forum Admin wish to allow it. I personally have no interest in the whys, and wherefores about doing, making, selling, licking, shagging a Hackintosh which is why i wont get involved in the conversation on legality... Im in this thread as a Moderator. If Admin say yay or nay its up to them... thats the law. Peas. |
| Nila Ragonese 30.01.2012 | The issue isn't installing or talking about installing OSX on a hackintosh or any computer. The issue is selling something with OSX installed on it. I believe but i know nothing. |
| Marguerite Truka 30.01.2012 | Its not true that it is illegal to install OSX on a non Apple machine. Infact they have never taken an individual to court. As another company might jump on it and rip that licence agreement to shreds. The USA recognises the digital millennium copyright act which explicitly states people can modify any software they have for personal use. This means that patches for OSX are not illegal. The way they could of been created could of been illegal however there isn't any proof of that. Hence y non of the hackintosh community s get any abuse off apple. more do the jail breaking sites. The reason these companies got fucked selling them was it was no longer deemed personal use. So that would be like me buying traktor adding a few new features then selling it as toms amazing dj software. Not cool. the open source licence agreement is different and that can kinda be done |
| Arcelia Siebeneck 30.01.2012 | Not that I want to start an argument with the DJTT moderators, Apple or the US courts of law but if I was to discuss how to grow weed using hydroponics and UV lights on a community
, I wouldn't expect the DEA to shut said website down. What's being discussed is for 'educational' use only. What people do with said information in the privacy of their homes is their own business. As far as I'm aware it's not illegal to discuss how to grow weed. The EULA certainly isn't enforceable in UK criminal law so it's an even more ridiculous comparison. It's just another thing that really irks me about how Apple does its business. The interesting thing is that until recently Apple has been a relatively small player in the PC market and so could get away with creating a EULA that prohibits installing its OS on non-Apple x86 hardware. But now Apple has got quite a sizeable share of the PC market, it's pretty strange how they don't attract the interest of the EU anti-competition / anti-trust departments much like Microsoft regularly does/did. meh. edit: I'm not debating whether or not we're breaking the EULA by the way. I'm saying that the EULA itself is of dubious legal merit. edit2: and for the sake of not starting a big argument, I'm happy to abide by the DJTT community rules and not discuss banned topics (if this is indeed a banned topic). |
| Dorie Scelzo 30.01.2012 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
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| nayit ruiz jaramillo 30.01.2012 |
Originally Posted by rgtb
Just musing about it is one thing but getting further into it simply means trouble for Ean and DJTT. Everyone is well aware that Apple are quite happy to stick their foot down someones throat. |
| Golden Faubert 30.01.2012 | i'm waiting on a little net book coming running osx, paid |
| Ngan Ernestine 30.01.2012 | Just FYI: while it is perfectly fine to build a hackintosh in many countries, it isn't in the US. US courts have repeatedly upheld apple's EULA which prohibits installing os x on non-apple hardware. In fact, for that reason, most us-based community s prohibit discussion of hackintosh. |
| Cliff Lohman 30.01.2012 | I entertained this idea about a year ago and did custom build my pc with the suitable parts.. I knew i wanted a nice pc anyways.. I spent a few days mucking around with the hackintosh installs and i found it was more trouble than it was worth. I got it working somewhat but had lots of compatibiity issues with hardware and display issues. I dunno.. Im generally pretty good with cpu issues but this just got to the point of more trouble than it was worth and i abandoned the mac os idea. |
| Tillie Sliman 30.01.2012 |
Originally Posted by Rukks
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| Romelia Stankard 29.01.2012 | Wow that site is exactly what I was looking for, thanks! Damn there is so much crap I want to buy. Every time I try to save up for CDJ-2000s I always believe of all the other things I could just buy instead or save my money. $3200 on CDJ 2ks, or spend half as much and get a whole bunch of more useful things. I still need to put aside money for a hotel for ultra... |
| Lang Abriel 29.01.2012 | http://tonymacx86.blogspot.com/search/label/CustoMac Pick around that site for a while...thats a new page that I didn't have when i built one... Honestly I don't care for the OS at all but my gf wanted it and I could see why you would want mac for your desktop since I know you have a macbook pro. I might get back into hackintosh if I ever hear back from apple about jobs haha Then again for what I do i bet they still use windows haha edit: Graphics cards are the most important thing, basically any intel CPU will work but the wrong graphics card can really f u. As you can see from that page they basically match up the hardware inside the 'desktop' apple computers. |
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