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How much longer will timecode vinyl be around?
Posted on: 06.09.2012 by Johnsie Kingrea
Just curious on your guys thoughts on how much longer timecode vinyl will be around. As of now it seems like only reason you'd use a serato box or an NI soundcard is to get timecode vinyl support. Right now timecode cd's are pretty much out the window now that the major players have HID support. I'd really hate to see timecode vinyl go.
Darren Teboe
08.09.2012
Originally Posted by Bassline Brine
The thing about it as well... is people WANT to see a DJ using turntables. That's what they picture when they THINK of a DJ. Not someone using a controller, or even a CDJ.
It's funny... while we are always up on the next big thing coming out, the crowd still recognizes an actual turntable as the standard. I still can't believe how many people (club/bar clientele) give me props for using a set of techs. That goes back to the organic sense of it. There's a "soul" factor to them. It's silly really, but the fact that patrons who really have no reason to care about the tools you are using, get excited about seeing turntables in use... that speaks to the soul of these things.
Ossie Pooley
08.09.2012		kelso-burn.jpg
Darren Teboe
08.09.2012
Originally Posted by crakbot
When a controller maker is not a afraid to make a hardware based solution that works better and is cheaper than a real turntable.

NI could make a controller with a built in sensor that works just like DVS that only costs $200 or so. But it will ruin their reputation with current DJs.

Seriously, as someone new to DJ gear , the whole concept of DVS is pretty stupid. It's like making a smart phone that looks like an old style telephone with a rotary dial because that's what people believe a "real phone" looks like. Granted, I admit I want to get a DVS setup but when you believe about it, it's pretty stupid.

Your words reflect your inexperience and lack of respect for the past. Understand that there is easily 3 decades worth of people that came up using turntables. For all of the great technology out there (I love all of it in honesty), they still haven't captured the feeling and a mechanical match for a turntable. Venture outside of what you see as the world of DJing, and you'll find it's a bit bigger than you thought. There is a slew of people out there that still love turntables, and it's peppered with more who are just discovering them. They all share a common trait in that they find it a bit more fun with a pair of technics. That alone makes DVS anything but stupid.
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
08.09.2012		Exactly the same unit, just relaunched with a different software the same as the SCS3d & SCS1M... The same mappings will be built into the next version though. I usually see these on eBay for $300, the only thing that stopped me pulling the trigger was firewire connections..
Danae Dumler
08.09.2012
Originally Posted by crakbot
it's like making a smart phone that looks like an old style telephone with a rotary dial
do want!!
Danae Dumler
08.09.2012
Originally Posted by synthet1c
It's getting re-released with VDJ soon and will be native HID, but the guys who are using the unit in VDJ Pro say it's amazing.
Nice! The same unit or an upgraded version? My wishlist: USB instead of firewire, and no DaRouter....
Danae Dumler
08.09.2012
Originally Posted by Bassline Brine
(And I do have to state: individual cases are a lifesaver if you don't drive a beast of a car, or are the hulk!)
Very true. Best thing I ever did for my back was buy individual cases and sell my coffin....
Johnsie Kingrea
08.09.2012		I knew about the Stanton one and yes it is sad it never got off the ground. Think of the space you'd have with no tone arm you could put some sweet controls on it. I believe the dicer is one of the greatest inventions for turntablists, truly lets you do things you couldn't do on vinyl.
Rebbecca Fennell
08.09.2012		ah stanton, great ideas that never really get off the ground
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
07.09.2012		The Stanton SCS1D is the closest IMO, It's got the motor from the ST-150, effects controls, midi lcd screens for incredible feedback, dual layer for controlling 2 decks with 1 unit, motorised pitch fader for seamless deck switching, and a 10 inch platter.

The reason it never sold well or got recognition is the middleware software "DaRouter" and it's use it traktor was apparently terrible... It's getting re-released with VDJ soon and will be native HID, but the guys who are using the unit in VDJ Pro say it's amazing. The only negative IMO is the two tone colour but that could easily be fixed with an overlay or a bit of paint.


That said I use DVS It's not going anywhere until someone comes out with a 12 inch platter, although I kind of like placing the needle on the record and like the limitation of it jumping if I get too rough... M447's last about a year before needing replacement and timecode vinyl lasts about the same. Replacement costs are paid gladly.
Audrey Pinda
07.09.2012
Originally Posted by crakbot
I agree with everything you are saying. My post probably came out wrong. I wasn't really saying vinyl was stupid, I was saying that when looking at it from a certain perspective, it seems pretty silly. For example, most people who see someone using DVS probably assumes the DJ is actually spinning real vinyl. If you told them the records are "fake" and just control a song in the computer, they would be like WTF, why even bother with the turntable then? I understand there are situations where it makes sense, but for many others it seems really silly and overly complicated.
I actually disagree with that. A lot of people understand that a DJ, when they have their computer up, is using the computer.

But it's the feel man. Nothing is the same as a spinning platter on the 1200's. It took me a long time to decide which route I wanted to go when I finally bought my setup. And honestly? I love having the turntables. I've lugged them to gigs, house parties, friends houses to jam, everywhere. And it's still worth the effort. (And I do have to state: individual cases are a lifesaver if you don't drive a beast of a car, or are the hulk!)

The thing about it as well... is people WANT to see a DJ using turntables. That's what they picture when they THINK of a DJ. Not someone using a controller, or even a CDJ. It may not be fancy scratching, but seeing them do the little things... it does make a difference from that vanity perspective. If you are talking to someone, and they ask you what you use, saying that you use 1200's w/ Serato or Traktor has a lot more respect behind it than saying you use XYZ controller with XYZ software. It's just how it is.

I'm probably going to make the switch to CDJ's in the future, when I can afford them. (For removing my computer from my setup mostly, nothing else). But I don't believe I'll ever sell my TT's. Because as others have said, being able to just pull out your old records and throw those on, have some fun with it? It's a priceless feeling.

I wish I could afford to spin on purely vinyl. But it's not in my price range, and not many people can keep up with that.
Frieda Swoboda
07.09.2012
Originally Posted by oneapemob
Well it' maybe because you aren't seeing the value of the dvs (and i mean digital VINYL solution) due to not knowing yet (i'm guessing from your post but maybe i'm wrong) what it's like to dj with vinyls.

The feeling is more organic, and at least to me more pleasurable. But the true value of dvs lies in the fact that you can switch from vinyl to the dvs at the flick of a switch, and thus you can mix your regular vinyl collection alongside your digital library AND keep the feeling of using vinyl. And more importantly, you can do all that while still keeping everything that the digital side gives you : loops, cues, cue jumps, effects, remix decks, etc...

I will admit tho that unless you are doing scratching, or have prepared something special, vinyl in club usage is really down, because only a few types of djs still bother with vinyl (D&B, dubstep, some house and deep house, and scratch/turntablists). When 15/10 years ago, you would find everything in vinyl ( like top 40s type of stuff ), but today the top charts aren't available on vinyl anymore ( not that it's a big loss ).

The tldr : the feeling, the feeEeeling maaan !
I agree with everything you are saying. My post probably came out wrong. I wasn't really saying vinyl was stupid, I was saying that when looking at it from a certain perspective, it seems pretty silly. For example, most people who see someone using DVS probably assumes the DJ is actually spinning real vinyl. If you told them the records are "fake" and just control a song in the computer, they would be like WTF, why even bother with the turntable then? I understand there are situations where it makes sense, but for many others it seems really silly and overly complicated.
Shonda Soulier
07.09.2012		The feel of vinyl is unprecedented. Perfectly slip cueing a "1" is a feeling unlike any other. You can't get this with any controller right now, and probably won't for a long time. The Numark CDX had a great feel, but nowhere close to a Technics turntable.

If a controller came out like the EKS Otus with a HID motorized slip vinyl I'd probably be all over it. The question is--how far away are we from something like this?
Bertie Metro
07.09.2012
Originally Posted by crakbot
Seriously, as someone new to DJ gear , the whole concept of DVS is pretty stupid. It's like making a smart phone that looks like an old style telephone with a rotary dial because that's what people believe a "real phone" looks like. Granted, I admit I want to get a DVS setup but when you believe about it, it's pretty stupid.
Well it' maybe because you aren't seeing the value of the dvs (and i mean digital VINYL solution) due to not knowing yet (i'm guessing from your post but maybe i'm wrong) what it's like to dj with vinyls.

The feeling is more organic, and at least to me more pleasurable. But the true value of dvs lies in the fact that you can switch from vinyl to the dvs at the flick of a switch, and thus you can mix your regular vinyl collection alongside your digital library AND keep the feeling of using vinyl. And more importantly, you can do all that while still keeping everything that the digital side gives you : loops, cues, cue jumps, effects, remix decks, etc...

I will admit tho that unless you are doing scratching, or have prepared something special, vinyl in club usage is really down, because only a few types of djs still bother with vinyl (D&B, dubstep, some house and deep house, and scratch/turntablists). When 15/10 years ago, you would find everything in vinyl ( like top 40s type of stuff ), but today the top charts aren't available on vinyl anymore ( not that it's a big loss ).

The tldr : the feeling, the feeEeeling maaan !
Rena Estabrook
07.09.2012
Originally Posted by rdej47
I wonder why no one has come out with an HID USB turntable. I'd pick one up in a second, no needles, no serato/traktor box.
Does the new Denon 3900 qualify?
Frieda Swoboda
07.09.2012		When a controller maker is not a afraid to make a hardware based solution that works better and is cheaper than a real turntable.

NI could make a controller with a built in sensor that works just like DVS that only costs $200 or so. But it will ruin their reputation with current DJs.

Seriously, as someone new to DJ gear , the whole concept of DVS is pretty stupid. It's like making a smart phone that looks like an old style telephone with a rotary dial because that's what people believe a "real phone" looks like. Granted, I admit I want to get a DVS setup but when you believe about it, it's pretty stupid.
Johnsie Kingrea
07.09.2012		I wonder why no one has come out with an HID USB turntable. I'd pick one up in a second, no needles, no serato/traktor box.
Reginia Tramble
07.09.2012		ask A-Trak
Ossie Pooley
07.09.2012		My bet's on Vestax. =s
Leeanna Ayla
07.09.2012
Originally Posted by oliosky
As long as people still want to scratch properly...
that's not necessarily true. While the S4 is no record on a turntable its feel and how they managed to do it is much better than anything else I've ever used. It may not be NI (or maybe it will be) , but I'm confident someone will come out with something that rivals the real vinyl feel.
Matt Kane
07.09.2012
Originally Posted by photojojo
15 years, 3 months and 32 days.
only the devil could have told you this secret!
Johnetta Olewine
07.09.2012		As long as people still want to scratch properly...
Leeanna Ayla
07.09.2012		15 years, 3 months and 32 days.
Renaldo Chansky
07.09.2012		I certainly don't see vinyl DVS use increasing, but I can't see a DJ future without turntables. Perhaps not in the clubs, but for the rest of the world who don't play clubs, I see it carrying on for many years. That's not a romantic notion from an old timer like myself - that's an opinion based on how many units SSL and Traktor still shift, and how many needles are still sold.
Leigh Dollyhigh
07.09.2012		god i remember when people were saying 'how long does vinyl have left...or vinyl is dead'

but now timecode vinyls...really has it already come to this??


as long as hip hop and turntablists keep doing traditional routines timecode vinyls will be popular. so imagine still a very long time
Bertie Metro
07.09.2012		I'd say as long as the turntables last Which would mean another two decades at least :P

Untill the day that you can't find parts anymore, and that the last vinyl pressing plant closses, untill then even "normal" vinyl will still be around, at least to feed us turntablists.
Golden Faubert
07.09.2012		not all clubs/bars have cdj's with HID support, i use pioneers 800's on a thurs and 1000's on a friday, i mean i'd love the HID but it's no big deal to me.
Ossie Pooley
07.09.2012		Vinyl feels classic. I don't believe it'll disappear any time soon.

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