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How much longer will timecode vinyl be around? Posted on: 06.09.2012 by Johnsie Kingrea Just curious on your guys thoughts on how much longer timecode vinyl will be around. As of now it seems like only reason you'd use a serato box or an NI soundcard is to get timecode vinyl support. Right now timecode cd's are pretty much out the window now that the major players have HID support. I'd really hate to see timecode vinyl go.
Ruthe Byro 15.09.2012	Originally Posted by sobi I have several friends that were or are a rental service or venue owner, and every single one would giggle themselves wet if they read this. In small talk about gear, the amazement of how rock solid technics were always seemed to come up with every single one of them. So much so, that I know a handful of people who believe Panasonic's business model was flawed for making such a reliable device. i read with interest what deevey wrote on cdj reliability. admittedly, i had a job in an gear rental service before cdjs became big. we mostly rented out those dual cd players from monacor, denon, and occasionally pio iirc. and technics 1210s. but again, it was my experience the cd players rarely needed servicing. and our standard monacor dual cd players weren't exaxtly top-of-the line. technics, on the other hand, constantly had small issues. continually, stylus replacements were necessary. the tonearm rest (not sure what the proper english term is, this thing on which you can set the tonearm and affix it) broke all the time. the tonearm itself, ground cables, and rcas came back damaged. bearings and the inside were full of dirt and fluids and had to be cleaned. plus the usual regular replacements of target light and pitch. and i'm sure i must have forgotten quite a few other things that broke... i'm not making this shit up. our technics rental prices were fairly high because there were so many issues. edit: not that the cd players never broke down. but, the bottom line, is with the technics there was a problem after rental or every other rental.
Darren Teboe 14.09.2012	Originally Posted by pychonaut technics need way more servicing than cdjs. ask any rental service or club owner. I have several friends that were or are a rental service or venue owner, and every single one would giggle themselves wet if they read this. In small talk about gear, the amazement of how rock solid technics were always seemed to come up with every single one of them. So much so, that I know a handful of people who believe Panasonic's business model was flawed for making such a reliable device.
Rolanda Clodfelder 11.09.2012	Originally Posted by UncleFunky On the subject of fake turntables, these things would be sizeable and, as they couldn't play vinyl, they wouldn't be touched by anyone with real records to listen to. How could I spin my James Brown 45s on a TT without a tonearm? Backlit laser perhaps ... http://www.elpj.com or of course you could just record them as audio files
Desire Piedmont 11.09.2012	Originally Posted by djproben Vinyl's death has been greatly exaggerated. Even from the view of the public; here's a chart of vinyl record sales since 1993. 2012 figures aren't in yet but projections are for at least a 17% increase over 2011, which was already a huge increase from the year before that, and so it goes. Most of the new buyers probably aren't DJs but that's not the issue here: Attachment 12237 It's going up, sure, but once upon a time one big seller could move as many units as are now sold in a year. Don't get me wrong though, I am obsessed with vinyl and was buying it at the depths of that graph ('93) and still buy it now. I'm waiting on a delivery any day now. On the subject of fake turntables, these things would be sizeable and, as they couldn't play vinyl, they wouldn't be touched by anyone with real records to listen to. How could I spin my James Brown 45s on a TT without a tonearm?
Rolanda Clodfelder 11.09.2012	Originally Posted by pychonaut technics need way more servicing than cdjs. ask any rental service or club owner. the tech "inside" a cdj is all solid state which is far less likely to fail than the moving mechanical and electromechanical parts in a technics. in clubs where the owner is unfamiliar with the concept of maintenance the technics are usually way more fked up than the cdjs. technics need way more servicing than cdjs. ask any rental service or club owner. the tech "inside" a cdj is all solid state which is far less likely to fail than the moving mechanical and electromechanical parts in a technics. Gotta disagree with you there, there's far more moving parts in a CDJ than a 1210 that can go wrong and having been in Technics Rental for 10 years they needed far less maintenance than almost every other piece of kit we put out. Throw in a new pitch control and cables every 2+ years and occasionally someone would screw up the tonearm bearings. The cost factor of repair cheap compared to CDJ's and the resale of a 5yr old ex-rental deck was not much less than buying one wholesale. 27 buttons vs 3 (or 4) Pitch Slider - Both CD drive vs Technics Platter Motor Internal Electronics minimal vs advanced LCD display on CDJ Rotary pots and encoders on CDJ. Rotating Touch sensitive platter on CDJ And yes the technics are usually more fucked due to them being way older than the CDJ's and in most cases these days the redundant things djs' throw midi controllers on. Anyhows, back OT .. Will DVS die out? not for a very long time, the current crop of Scratch DJ's are still using it so not until they retire - say 20/30 years Its kinda funny that people complain about the cost of technics and DVS when an entire setup can cost less than a single CDJ2k..... hmmmmm, now that I say it out loud.
Ruthe Byro 11.09.2012	Originally Posted by oneapemob Because the cdj has more tech inside, is more prone to failure technics need way more servicing than cdjs. ask any rental service or club owner. the tech "inside" a cdj is all solid state which is far less likely to fail than the moving mechanical and electromechanical parts in a technics. on the broader issue, i believe it is misguided to shift the discussion towards the technological advantages of technics vs the rest. imo, all that matters is what gear djs demand to have in the booth. and my impression is fewer djs use vinyl, timecode or not. yes, maybe the scratch djs stick to it. but in other areas (such as dubstep or house djs), it seems to me the late '00 vinyl boom is coming to an end. -- in clubs where the owner is unfamiliar with the concept of maintenance the technics are usually way more f**ked up than the cdjs.
Julissa Serrone 10.09.2012	Originally Posted by crakbot A manufacturer could easily make a device that has a 12 inch platter, a motor, and an internal optical tracking mechanism that is as good as a time coded fake record. It would be cheaper, easier to use, more consistent and wouldn't require as much hardware. . Well they've tried with the NS7 and V7. I still don't believe you get it that for some scratches and techniques you NEED a vinyl record and an arm. You simply CAN NOT do it on the V7's. So it is not stupid. Another to consider for those who said Timecode will get ditched soon, you are forgetting the sales that soundcards generate. There is more money in hardware than software.
Danae Dumler 10.09.2012	Originally Posted by oneapemob But it has been a decade that people declared the vinyl DEAD, personally i can see that it's disappearing, but only from the view of the "public". Because if you want a piece of vinyl, there are ways and places where you can find it. Vinyl's death has been greatly exaggerated. Even from the view of the public; here's a chart of vinyl record sales since 1993. 2012 figures aren't in yet but projections are for at least a 17% increase over 2011, which was already a huge increase from the year before that, and so it goes. Most of the new buyers probably aren't DJs but that's not the issue here: Vinyl-Record-Sales-3024.jpg
Danae Dumler 10.09.2012	Originally Posted by pychonaut i believe traktor is most likely to be the first to ditch TC control. I can't see that happening; plenty of scratch DJs use TSP. Actually I can't see the point to anyone ditching it - it's already implemented in most software, and there's not a whole lot to improve about it; it's not like it costs them a lot to maintain it in the code base. They might farm out sales of timecode vinyl to other companies if it suits them to quit making it (or go the VDJ/Ms Pinky route and allow any other company's time code vinyl to work) but that's certainly not NI's style.
Darren Teboe 10.09.2012	Originally Posted by crakbot From a design stanpoint, DVS is pretty stupid, you can't argue that and that doesn't mean it's an attack on using DVS or that it's not fun to use DVS. If there were a current solution that was a mechanical match to turntables, I'd agree. YOU seem to be missing the point. One thing that I do as a hip hop DJ on certain evening s, is rely on scratching. I can say with certainty, that most scratch DJ's don't feel there is any solution that gives the control that a turntable and wax give you. If there were, battle DJ's would be using controllers or CDJ's. If that were the case, I'd say I agree with you, but it's not illogical or stupid from a design standpoint at all. I no longer have to carry around several crates of records to play an entire evening . I no longer have to worry about damaging limited release 12" records. Also, DVS has diminished the need to have precise tone arm calibration with relative mode... it doesn't matter if the needle jumps. All of that, and I still can use the best tool available for scratching.
Julissa Serrone 09.09.2012	Originally Posted by crakbot From a design stanpoint, DVS is pretty stupid, you can't argue that and that doesn't mean it's an attack on using DVS or that it's not fun to use DVS. Dude you do understand that when DVS first came out it gave artist the ability to play music from their laptops instead of having to carry multiple crates to a gig. This was brilliant and revolutionary. It's what has paved the way for what DJing is today (laptop DJing and controllers). Also, there are certain scratches and techniques that you simply can not perform unless it's on actual vinyl and stylus....no matter what new tools come out -- the V7's and NS7 came close, but not still not really it.
Maegan Flotron 09.09.2012	Originally Posted by crakbot Engineering something to be like something else just because that's what people are accustomed to is "stupid" from a design standpoint. But it's not like 'something else'. You still have to use a turntable, you still use vinyl even though the music comes from elsewhere. Unless you can afford to get all your favourite tunes on vinyl, something like this certainly doesn't seem "stupid" from a design standpoint. In fact, I believe DVS has allowed many DJs (who otherwise wouldn't have) to experience vinyl. I see DVS setups everywhere (at least in the genres of music that I follow) and I believe this popularity speaks for itself. If you ask me, it's quite an achievement from a design standpoint. In short, I don't believe there's anything silly about it, after all, everything new is well-forgotten old. And I believe you're a bit caught up in believeing that people are taking some kind of 'side' in this, it's just a discussion. No one is defending or attacking anything :P
Ruthe Byro 15.09.2012	Originally Posted by sobi I have several friends that were or are a rental service or venue owner, and every single one would giggle themselves wet if they read this. In small talk about gear, the amazement of how rock solid technics were always seemed to come up with every single one of them. So much so, that I know a handful of people who believe Panasonic's business model was flawed for making such a reliable device. i read with interest what deevey wrote on cdj reliability. admittedly, i had a job in an gear rental service before cdjs became big. we mostly rented out those dual cd players from monacor, denon, and occasionally pio iirc. and technics 1210s. but again, it was my experience the cd players rarely needed servicing. and our standard monacor dual cd players weren't exaxtly top-of-the line. technics, on the other hand, constantly had small issues. continually, stylus replacements were necessary. the tonearm rest (not sure what the proper english term is, this thing on which you can set the tonearm and affix it) broke all the time. the tonearm itself, ground cables, and rcas came back damaged. bearings and the inside were full of dirt and fluids and had to be cleaned. plus the usual regular replacements of target light and pitch. and i'm sure i must have forgotten quite a few other things that broke... i'm not making this shit up. our technics rental prices were fairly high because there were so many issues. edit: not that the cd players never broke down. but, the bottom line, is with the technics there was a problem after rental or every other rental.
Darren Teboe 14.09.2012	Originally Posted by pychonaut technics need way more servicing than cdjs. ask any rental service or club owner. I have several friends that were or are a rental service or venue owner, and every single one would giggle themselves wet if they read this. In small talk about gear, the amazement of how rock solid technics were always seemed to come up with every single one of them. So much so, that I know a handful of people who believe Panasonic's business model was flawed for making such a reliable device.
Rolanda Clodfelder 11.09.2012	Originally Posted by UncleFunky On the subject of fake turntables, these things would be sizeable and, as they couldn't play vinyl, they wouldn't be touched by anyone with real records to listen to. How could I spin my James Brown 45s on a TT without a tonearm? Backlit laser perhaps ... http://www.elpj.com or of course you could just record them as audio files
Desire Piedmont 11.09.2012	Originally Posted by djproben Vinyl's death has been greatly exaggerated. Even from the view of the public; here's a chart of vinyl record sales since 1993. 2012 figures aren't in yet but projections are for at least a 17% increase over 2011, which was already a huge increase from the year before that, and so it goes. Most of the new buyers probably aren't DJs but that's not the issue here: Attachment 12237 It's going up, sure, but once upon a time one big seller could move as many units as are now sold in a year. Don't get me wrong though, I am obsessed with vinyl and was buying it at the depths of that graph ('93) and still buy it now. I'm waiting on a delivery any day now. On the subject of fake turntables, these things would be sizeable and, as they couldn't play vinyl, they wouldn't be touched by anyone with real records to listen to. How could I spin my James Brown 45s on a TT without a tonearm?
Rolanda Clodfelder 11.09.2012	Originally Posted by pychonaut technics need way more servicing than cdjs. ask any rental service or club owner. the tech "inside" a cdj is all solid state which is far less likely to fail than the moving mechanical and electromechanical parts in a technics. in clubs where the owner is unfamiliar with the concept of maintenance the technics are usually way more fked up than the cdjs. technics need way more servicing than cdjs. ask any rental service or club owner. the tech "inside" a cdj is all solid state which is far less likely to fail than the moving mechanical and electromechanical parts in a technics. Gotta disagree with you there, there's far more moving parts in a CDJ than a 1210 that can go wrong and having been in Technics Rental for 10 years they needed far less maintenance than almost every other piece of kit we put out. Throw in a new pitch control and cables every 2+ years and occasionally someone would screw up the tonearm bearings. The cost factor of repair cheap compared to CDJ's and the resale of a 5yr old ex-rental deck was not much less than buying one wholesale. 27 buttons vs 3 (or 4) Pitch Slider - Both CD drive vs Technics Platter Motor Internal Electronics minimal vs advanced LCD display on CDJ Rotary pots and encoders on CDJ. Rotating Touch sensitive platter on CDJ And yes the technics are usually more fucked due to them being way older than the CDJ's and in most cases these days the redundant things djs' throw midi controllers on. Anyhows, back OT .. Will DVS die out? not for a very long time, the current crop of Scratch DJ's are still using it so not until they retire - say 20/30 years Its kinda funny that people complain about the cost of technics and DVS when an entire setup can cost less than a single CDJ2k..... hmmmmm, now that I say it out loud.
Ruthe Byro 11.09.2012	Originally Posted by oneapemob Because the cdj has more tech inside, is more prone to failure technics need way more servicing than cdjs. ask any rental service or club owner. the tech "inside" a cdj is all solid state which is far less likely to fail than the moving mechanical and electromechanical parts in a technics. on the broader issue, i believe it is misguided to shift the discussion towards the technological advantages of technics vs the rest. imo, all that matters is what gear djs demand to have in the booth. and my impression is fewer djs use vinyl, timecode or not. yes, maybe the scratch djs stick to it. but in other areas (such as dubstep or house djs), it seems to me the late '00 vinyl boom is coming to an end. -- in clubs where the owner is unfamiliar with the concept of maintenance the technics are usually way more f**ked up than the cdjs.
Julissa Serrone 10.09.2012	Originally Posted by crakbot A manufacturer could easily make a device that has a 12 inch platter, a motor, and an internal optical tracking mechanism that is as good as a time coded fake record. It would be cheaper, easier to use, more consistent and wouldn't require as much hardware. . Well they've tried with the NS7 and V7. I still don't believe you get it that for some scratches and techniques you NEED a vinyl record and an arm. You simply CAN NOT do it on the V7's. So it is not stupid. Another to consider for those who said Timecode will get ditched soon, you are forgetting the sales that soundcards generate. There is more money in hardware than software.
Maegan Flotron 10.09.2012	People always try to apply logic/reason to turntables/vinyl but yet here we are still using them and I myself still buy vinyl. I'd like to believe that "A manufacturer could easily make a device that has a 12 inch platter, a motor, and an internal optical tracking mechanism that is as good as a time coded fake record." but the truth is that there isn't anything like that. A turntable is not just a motor with an internal mechanism... I believe it has a very intricate relationship with vinyl, a unique medium in my opinion. Without the vinyl itself, a turntable would indeed be 'silly'. Despite all the seemingly logical arguments against vinyl/turntables, they're still here. Going back to the original question, timecode will exist for a very long time and its existence depends on the existence of vinyl records I believe. And why should vinyl die out? Many generations have been brought up with it and there will always be a busy underground scene which accounts for a lot of the vinyl out there.
Danae Dumler 10.09.2012	Originally Posted by oneapemob But it has been a decade that people declared the vinyl DEAD, personally i can see that it's disappearing, but only from the view of the "public". Because if you want a piece of vinyl, there are ways and places where you can find it. Vinyl's death has been greatly exaggerated. Even from the view of the public; here's a chart of vinyl record sales since 1993. 2012 figures aren't in yet but projections are for at least a 17% increase over 2011, which was already a huge increase from the year before that, and so it goes. Most of the new buyers probably aren't DJs but that's not the issue here: Vinyl-Record-Sales-3024.jpg
Bertie Metro 10.09.2012	I see where you're coming from crakbot, but here is another thing to consider : turntables for djs, as they exist today, are a very solid, very resilient and mostly "technologically" "there" piece of gear . That means that aside from some tlc and some spare parts, the technics that are in the clubs today will still be there in 10/15 hell maybe even 20 years. And because the turntable has pretty much evolved to the point where you can only add so much to it, it means that clubs won't invest the same money like they do on a cdj. Because the cdj has more tech inside, is more prone to failure and is in fact (and that is the biggest difference) more prone to technological obsolescence. That obsolescence is the main problem with cdjs; in how many years do you see the cd drive going the way of the dodo ? And then flash drives ? And the vinyl ? Well a piece of vinyl is an experience in and of itself, it's an object of pasion, it "feels" like it has a soul, even if it's maybe some kind of a placebo effect or something. But it has been a decade that people declared the vinyl DEAD, personally i can see that it's disappearing, but only from the view of the "public". Because if you want a piece of vinyl, there are ways and places where you can find it. I mean to say that there will always be a group of irreductible people that will not let it die, at least no before the cd goes boooyaa. Having a new solution, like the one you theorize isn't impossible nor vain. But that new piece of technology will have to face both cdjs and turntables, and also require wide adoption. Because i'd love to have that solution, but then you show up at a club and the cdj has a regular non moving platter, will you be bringing the pair of new shiny to the clubs weeks after weeks ? If by some magic marketing it becomes the norm in club instal, then great, more power to all of us, untill then, turntables aint going nowhere.
Jonathan Chiuchiolo 10.09.2012	I disagree that anything would be cheaper, You must have never used turntables otherwise you would know that to get good performance you need a big strong (heavy) direct drive motor... the weight and the movement means you need to encase it in a solid case so plastic is out of the question, metal is the only answer adding to the cost and the weight. If you are investing a lot of money you are hardly going to use sub par plastic controls from an S2/4 that will bring the overall feel of the unit down so now you are adding premium components at more cost. In the end you have an expensive and heavy unit (cost more to ship) like the SC-37/3900, SCS1.D, NS7. There is no way you could make it much cheaper than these other existing options. For people who already own tech's which are a precision instrument and much more natural than any controller, DVS allows them to evolve their setup and still use their favourite format for playing their tunes. It's good to have the limit of a needle that can jump as it forces you to improve your technique (it doesn't jump very often unless you suck).
Frieda Swoboda 10.09.2012	First off, just to be clear, I don't want to argue or fight or anything. It's just a discussion so no hard feelings. DVS that uses a real turntables, and believeing that will be around for while is what I'm talking about. A manufacturer could easily make a device that has a 12 inch platter, a motor, and an internal optical tracking mechanism that is as good as a time coded fake record. It would be cheaper, easier to use, more consistent and wouldn't require as much hardware. That's what I am saying is stupid. Why the hell even still use a needle and an arm? A cheap gaming mouse has an optical tracking system that is more than adequate to track the movements of scratching or playing. But any major maker like Native Instruments would get a ton of blowback if they did that. Heck, people still bitch about the "sync" button. Imagine if a company made scratching and vinyl cheap and easy. They would lose cred with all those old school DJs. You guys would all be on here crying "Oh great, now every kid believes he can scratch" Don't forget!! The discussion was about whether DVS will be around in a while. And I'm saying eventually people will realize it's OK to not have a turntable with an arm and needle touching a fake record. You can get the exact same performance cheaper and easier if people would accept it.
Danae Dumler 10.09.2012	Originally Posted by pychonaut i believe traktor is most likely to be the first to ditch TC control. I can't see that happening; plenty of scratch DJs use TSP. Actually I can't see the point to anyone ditching it - it's already implemented in most software, and there's not a whole lot to improve about it; it's not like it costs them a lot to maintain it in the code base. They might farm out sales of timecode vinyl to other companies if it suits them to quit making it (or go the VDJ/Ms Pinky route and allow any other company's time code vinyl to work) but that's certainly not NI's style.
Ruthe Byro 10.09.2012	i believe as well that TC is here to stay as some sort of small niche. like sobi mentions above, there are users such as scratch djs for which no solutions superior to TC exist. at the same time, i see it becoming more marginalized. only like 3-4 years ago, i remember that in certain venues, TC vinyl was the only way of playing digital. it was just that TC vinyl was not quite as frowned upon as TC CDs or controllers. but acceptance for CDJs is increasing, as is acceptance of controller DJing. plus, for more and more DJ CD players, you don't need TC anymore. so again, i see TC becoming more marginalized. i wouldn't be terribly surprised if at least one of the big vendors drops support for it in 5 years or so. and i believe traktor is most likely to be the first to ditch TC control.
Darren Teboe 10.09.2012	Originally Posted by crakbot From a design stanpoint, DVS is pretty stupid, you can't argue that and that doesn't mean it's an attack on using DVS or that it's not fun to use DVS. If there were a current solution that was a mechanical match to turntables, I'd agree. YOU seem to be missing the point. One thing that I do as a hip hop DJ on certain evening s, is rely on scratching. I can say with certainty, that most scratch DJ's don't feel there is any solution that gives the control that a turntable and wax give you. If there were, battle DJ's would be using controllers or CDJ's. If that were the case, I'd say I agree with you, but it's not illogical or stupid from a design standpoint at all. I no longer have to carry around several crates of records to play an entire evening . I no longer have to worry about damaging limited release 12" records. Also, DVS has diminished the need to have precise tone arm calibration with relative mode... it doesn't matter if the needle jumps. All of that, and I still can use the best tool available for scratching.
Julissa Serrone 09.09.2012	Originally Posted by crakbot From a design stanpoint, DVS is pretty stupid, you can't argue that and that doesn't mean it's an attack on using DVS or that it's not fun to use DVS. Dude you do understand that when DVS first came out it gave artist the ability to play music from their laptops instead of having to carry multiple crates to a gig. This was brilliant and revolutionary. It's what has paved the way for what DJing is today (laptop DJing and controllers). Also, there are certain scratches and techniques that you simply can not perform unless it's on actual vinyl and stylus....no matter what new tools come out -- the V7's and NS7 came close, but not still not really it.
Maegan Flotron 09.09.2012	Originally Posted by crakbot Engineering something to be like something else just because that's what people are accustomed to is "stupid" from a design standpoint. But it's not like 'something else'. You still have to use a turntable, you still use vinyl even though the music comes from elsewhere. Unless you can afford to get all your favourite tunes on vinyl, something like this certainly doesn't seem "stupid" from a design standpoint. In fact, I believe DVS has allowed many DJs (who otherwise wouldn't have) to experience vinyl. I see DVS setups everywhere (at least in the genres of music that I follow) and I believe this popularity speaks for itself. If you ask me, it's quite an achievement from a design standpoint. In short, I don't believe there's anything silly about it, after all, everything new is well-forgotten old. And I believe you're a bit caught up in believeing that people are taking some kind of 'side' in this, it's just a discussion. No one is defending or attacking anything :P
Frieda Swoboda 09.09.2012	Sobi, once again you are unable to grasp what I was saying because you are too busy defending DVS. Engineering something to be like something else just because that's what people are accustomed to is "stupid" from a design standpoint. Something can be stupid or illogical and still be the norm, or even be good. People do it all the time. The whole country coming to a stop for the Super Bowl, a simple football game, is arguably stupid. But it's still fun and people enjoy it. From a design stanpoint, DVS is pretty stupid, you can't argue that and that doesn't mean it's an attack on using DVS or that it's not fun to use DVS. Some carpenters like to use old fashioned turn of the century tools for woodworking because they believe it's more fun or has a better feel. That's fine, but if a power tool company came out with some weird mix of new tools meant to look like and perform like old tools, that would be weird and stupid. Might be interesting, but it seems silly. Anyway, I'm done giving examples, I believe people here are just too caught up in things to see outside their world for a brief second. I see what you are saying, but you are unable to see what I am saying.
Darren Teboe 09.09.2012	Honestly, if you actually like TT's, then awesome. Your earlier posts (as illustrated above) somewhat seemed like you had a different stance.
Darren Teboe 09.09.2012	Originally Posted by crakbot My comments are neither pro or con turntables or DVS. Originally Posted by crakbot Seriously, as someone new to DJ gear , the whole concept of DVS is pretty stupid.
Rosina Steinkuehler 09.09.2012	Originally Posted by Nicky H This. Closest to a TT yet for Traktor... Agree'd. I picked up a pair this week and have been in heaven! The feel of the 3900s is amazing!
Janyce Henningson 09.09.2012	Originally Posted by HighTopFade Does the new Denon 3900 qualify? This. Closest to a TT yet for Traktor...
Benjamin Sieh 08.09.2012	I personally believe DVS will be around until we can no longer obtain quality turntables. I know many DJs who refuse to buy numark or any other brand because of they don't do the job as well as Technics. BEcause of this, I've only ever seen on DJ who wasn't using Technics, and I go to a DJ caffe, where there's a different DJ playing every evening . Simulating a DVS with CDJs works great no matter what player you have, and if you just want the ablity to midi map in serato, then that seems like the best choice. Well, thats what i plan to do at least. Controllerism is great when it works how we want it to. I have a novation twitch, that works with both NI and Serato. But the twitch only has its signature features in Serato. HID is a wonderful thing, but it sucks when you buy a contoller for a specific feature set to only find out that it doesn't work in the program you wanted it to work in. Turntables don't have that problem. Once you have the right box, its guaranteed to work with that program with the same low latency, and high accuracy as any controller that utilizes HID. And any features you don't get with turntables can be mapped to controllers like the midi fighter and launchpad. So to wrap up, as long as we can keep buying quality decks, then DVS will still be around. Because there is much less of a programing war going on. Which can be seen through the compatibility issues we have with controllers that require HID for the better features to function properly. Examples: The DJ Tech Tools Review of the NS6 with HID scratching in Serato Itch, and compatible with Traktor.
Julissa Serrone 08.09.2012	Originally Posted by crakbot . My comments are neither pro or con turntables or DVS. I believe you last post you stated the whole DVS thing is stupid, and his reply is a response as why it's not. I've played on so many set-ups, bought and sold tons of gear and always come back to the enjoyment of playing on 1200's.
Frieda Swoboda 08.09.2012	Originally Posted by sobi Your words reflect your inexperience and lack of respect for the past. Understand that there is easily 3 decades worth of people that came up using turntables. For all of the great technology out there (I love all of it in honesty), they still haven't captured the feeling and a mechanical match for a turntable. Venture outside of what you see as the world of DJing, and you'll find it's a bit bigger than you thought. There is a slew of people out there that still love turntables, and it's peppered with more who are just discovering them. They all share a common trait in that they find it a bit more fun with a pair of technics. That alone makes DVS anything but stupid. It's true, I have no respect for the past. Even things I like, I always hated reminiscing or looking back on things fondly. But respectfully, as much as you deride my inexperience and lack of perspective, you are guilty of the exact same thing with your inability to see my point of view. I actually find turntables interesting and am looking to buy a dual 1200 setup as soon as a I can find a pair I am comfortable with buying. So I have nothing against turntables or DVS. But you seem to be too caught up in your own world to see what I am truly trying to say. My comments are neither pro or con turntables or DVS. I understand there is a feel to turntables and even a romantic look to a DJ spinning them. I believe what I'm trying to say is a little too nuanced for this crowd or maybe you guys are just too sensitive to be objective. Which isn't surprising considering the amount of threads claiming that this music, that artist, or this controller is "Killing DJ'ing"
Tanner Adis 08.09.2012	Originally Posted by rdej47 I wonder why no one has come out with an HID USB turntable. I'd pick one up in a second, no needles, no serato/traktor box. Um Numark V7, or NS7 Just with a smaller platter!!!
Isa Erik 09.09.2012	Originally Posted by sobi It's funny... while we are always up on the next big thing coming out, the crowd still recognizes an actual turntable as the standard. I still can't believe how many people (club/bar clientele) give me props for using a set of techs. That goes back to the organic sense of it. There's a "soul" factor to them. It's silly really, but the fact that patrons who really have no reason to care about the tools you are using, get excited about seeing turntables in use... that speaks to the soul of these things. true...even when I (-> got an all digital setup) go to a club and see the DJ using 1200+DVS I get excited. but then again, in 99% cases it turns into "fuck that shit" when I realize the dj spins house/top40 with A->B mixing. yeah, but he is a "proper" dj <sarcasm>
Johnetta Olewine 08.09.2012	Originally Posted by sobi Your words reflect your inexperience and lack of respect for the past. Understand that there is easily 3 decades worth of people that came up using turntables. For all of the great technology out there (I love all of it in honesty), they still haven't captured the feeling and a mechanical match for a turntable. Venture outside of what you see as the world of DJing, and you'll find it's a bit bigger than you thought. There is a slew of people out there that still love turntables, and it's peppered with more who are just discovering them. They all share a common trait in that they find it a bit more fun with a pair of technics. That alone makes DVS anything but stupid. Succinct and bang on point

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