Why use software to produce?
Why use software to produce? Posted on: 25.02.2009 by George Inji why use software? by some nice analog and digital hardware synths and drumcomputers, a good hardware sequencer, a nice nakamichi tapedeck, and start hammering out those tracks! | |
| Yuonne Cauthron 27.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by slyooney
a little bit of ableton is what i need, but i definately have hardware greed. as I stated in a previous thread, I've created my software patches to model after hardware synths I own. So I tend to produce entirely in software, and convert lead lines, etc. to hardware for live performance. |
| Letty Losordo 27.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by darrel855
Even my best mate - wich is a live addict since version 2, admit that rearrange a track is far more easier in acid, reaper or even the other classics in line seq. Anyway, it's a beautifull soft that stimulate creativity and enhance loops productivity and I'll certainly take the next version asap because of the new functions : Group tracks is just the things I waited for since V5, improvements of Operator are hudge and the vocoder just rock. But to stick back to the original subject of the thread, there's no need to opposit analog and digital. They both have pros and cons, but I always need the two of them to make and finish my songs. What's your A/D ideal balance ? |
| Yuonne Cauthron 27.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by darrel855
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| Letty Losordo 27.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by midifidler
Originally Posted by olafmol
Every soft has its own skills, but none is perfect for all purposes.
Originally Posted by midifidler
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| Random X 26.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by midifidler
Hear hear! |
| Random X 26.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by DvlsAdvct
ME! |
| Xavier Emanuels 26.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by RSDJMoniker
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| Anushka jayamaha 26.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by RSDJMoniker
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| Yuonne Cauthron 26.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by darrel855
You know I was believeing the same thing. Axiom + Ableton feels like I'm using a workstation keyboard. And I can even *gasp* record my analogue synths easily? Trust me you're not the first producer(?) to try to tell everyone that soft synths suck and can't produce a warm sound or whatever. Heck, everyone trashed the Access Virus for a while because it wasn't really Analogue, same with the Juno series! But now they are staples of the industry. Ultimately using only software is a GREAT solution for a user who is curious but may not have the money to invest in setting up an hardware studio. Everyone will eventually end up picking up a synth or two if they're continued interest in production stays. But what do I know... |
| Anushka jayamaha 27.02.2009 | A/D balance .... Lately I just sample the hell out of what ever strange piece of kit I get my hands on and make a sampler or drum racks patch out of em and give em back or sell em . |
| Yuonne Cauthron 27.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by slyooney
a little bit of ableton is what i need, but i definately have hardware greed. as I stated in a previous thread, I've created my software patches to model after hardware synths I own. So I tend to produce entirely in software, and convert lead lines, etc. to hardware for live performance. |
| Letty Losordo 27.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by darrel855
Even my best mate - wich is a live addict since version 2, admit that rearrange a track is far more easier in acid, reaper or even the other classics in line seq. Anyway, it's a beautifull soft that stimulate creativity and enhance loops productivity and I'll certainly take the next version asap because of the new functions : Group tracks is just the things I waited for since V5, improvements of Operator are hudge and the vocoder just rock. But to stick back to the original subject of the thread, there's no need to opposit analog and digital. They both have pros and cons, but I always need the two of them to make and finish my songs. What's your A/D ideal balance ? |
| Yuonne Cauthron 27.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by darrel855
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| Anushka jayamaha 27.02.2009 | you might wanna press tab and try out ableton's edit window for a couple hours |
| Letty Losordo 27.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by midifidler
Originally Posted by olafmol
Every soft has its own skills, but none is perfect for all purposes.
Originally Posted by midifidler
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| Random X 26.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by midifidler
Hear hear! |
| Adolf Hit 26.02.2009 | lol what a hilarious thread, Im believeing there were a few language barriers going on here, the posters discussion was not very consistent. Im believeing he was trying to encourage more discussion about anlalogue gear, but the way in which he phrased his first post kind of made it sound more like an attack on digital. But seriosly, Ableton has poor workflow ? ermm..... |
| Random X 26.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by DvlsAdvct
ME! |
| Xavier Emanuels 26.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by RSDJMoniker
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| Anushka jayamaha 26.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by RSDJMoniker
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| Yuonne Cauthron 26.02.2009 | haha, girls can't write musics! I have my boyfriend write it for me. |
| Roberto Viccione 26.02.2009 | Obviously, Monika, not all that much. Your intellect is directly proportional to how much you agree with the other side (damn, how many people thought I was gonna make a sexist remark?) |
| Yuonne Cauthron 26.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by darrel855
You know I was believeing the same thing. Axiom + Ableton feels like I'm using a workstation keyboard. And I can even *gasp* record my analogue synths easily? Trust me you're not the first producer(?) to try to tell everyone that soft synths suck and can't produce a warm sound or whatever. Heck, everyone trashed the Access Virus for a while because it wasn't really Analogue, same with the Juno series! But now they are staples of the industry. Ultimately using only software is a GREAT solution for a user who is curious but may not have the money to invest in setting up an hardware studio. Everyone will eventually end up picking up a synth or two if they're continued interest in production stays. But what do I know... |
| Virginia Ortiz 26.02.2009 | lolz this thread sounds like a bunch of turntablists hating on a bunch of controllerists. except way more justified |
| Anushka jayamaha 26.02.2009 | **wow, don't be so quick to judge. I've been producing music in my project-studio for quiet some time, even mastering and cutting them to vinyl, and i can tell you they both have their merits. And the sound of a well-kept vintage minimoog, oberheim, korg or roland are really something special which you cannot reach easily or even never with software.** Sound quality wise when it comes to cutting vinyl it really doesn't compare you loose a whole lot . As far as the synths you can get a number of vsti's that will sound just as good better or good enough I like having synths that sound exactly the same every day and don't sound better when it's less humid or what ever affects their sound on a day to day basis . **But even more important: workflow. Using a good hardware sequencer like the mighty yamaha RM1x or RS7000, or an akai MPC with some good hardware synths with direct control really gives very different results and instant acces than compared to using software.** If you are still using the MPC and RM1x but have Ableton as well you are using ableton completely wrong . A couple controllers laid out well with Ableton will give you jast as instant of acces . **you can buy an fully expanded Yamaha RS7000 for little money these days, add a microkorg, or a nord micromodular, or a moog little phatty, or a dave smith mopho,** Or get a new computer and do more than just produce music on it . As far as minimal sounding boring sorry it's not Ableton or the DA converters it's the producers plain and simple . |
| Random X 26.02.2009 | Back up mister.... It's quite okay, if you look at his other posts in this topic, so please rephrase that. |
| Amada Brierley 26.02.2009 | edit: grumpy hungover post removed |
| Random X 26.02.2009 | Hey Olaf, as long as you respect the skills! *~insert DJ Jean youtube vid here.~*
Originally Posted by JesC
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| Cristian Carmona 26.02.2009 | We can we be like Depeche Mode, they use the best of both world, Analog & Digital! |
| Xavier Emanuels 26.02.2009 | Right... seeings how the previous thead about production software thread has been successfully highjacked about analogue gear ive moved all the posts into a new thread. Now you can feel free to continue this discussion. Yes some of the users reactions were a bit harsh, you get a vinyl artist come in here and talk about how users as you put it "have to look at hardware stuff" and you will get the same reaction - those comments really strike a soft spot for the community because many of us do our productions and djing entirely digitally. Statements like: "you can hear all the standard ableton live plugins and presets over and over again", "it all comes from the same DA-converter, it's all getting so stale and predictive soundwise" "running your seperate plugins or tracks through different outboard pre-amps, effect-units etc and re-recording them again in software will make your mix sound much better" "And the sound of a well-kept vintage minimoog, oberheim, korg or roland are really something special which you cannot reach easily or even never with software." are very demeaning to purely digital artists - infact it almost sounds like the same arguements a vinyl artist makes about digital artists. |
| Ryan Morales 26.02.2009 | I agree with the comment about stock ableton plugins. Definately need to buy some decent ones to give you some freshness. I find ableton ok as a DAW but I dont really have heaps of experience in anything else. I believe I will just continue with it cos its what I know. |
| George Inji 26.02.2009 | wow, very interesting all these reactions. It feels a littlebit the same as showing midi-controllers for DJ |
| George Inji 26.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by BentoSan
Olaf |
| Belen Wermes 26.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by olafmol
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| Xavier Emanuels 26.02.2009 | The whole analogue over digital arguement is so dead in my mind, just because you have troubles getting phat rich organic sounds on software doesnt mean everyone else does. Anyway this is getting off topic, if you want to have a conversation about analogue vs digital gear take it into a new thread as this is about production software and nothing to do with analogue gear. |
| Letty Losordo 26.02.2009 | And then, you've got to work a lot. |
| Letty Losordo 26.02.2009 | Even a RS7000 is a good engine to start to create, You won't get the smashing sound with it un less you 've got a full studio behind, assuming you're a killer programmer to make the box sound loud...
Hi, I'm just wondering what are some of the software that Djs use to produce their tracks with?
It depends on the budget first then on your workflow. For exemple, On the january issue, you've got 2 interviews : Laidback luke wich only uses Fruity loops, a few selected VSTis, samples and a simple audio card. At the opposit, Chris Lake's studio is a good balance between digital/virtual/computer and analog gear. ANd he uses Logic. Many people here will talk about Ableton... Indeed, its good for musical ideas, loops and so on, I can't use it to finalise songs >reaper, ardour, logic, Cubase - the classic daws, are much more convenient for construction/structure purpose. So explore the community s, use google and youtube to define precisely what you want to do |
| George Inji 26.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by BentoSan
But even more important: workflow. Using a good hardware sequencer like the mighty yamaha RM1x or RS7000, or an akai MPC with some good hardware synths with direct control really gives very different results and instant acces than compared to using software. Not to say there isn't room for both, i've been using Cakewalk, Steinberg Nuendo, Reason (been a beta-tester for propellerheads from the days of Rebirth) and now ableton Live, but also the yamaha RM1x sequencer, Cubase on the old Atari ST, i use plugins, digital modulars and synths (especially love my Nord micromodular) but also analogue (just playing the roland juno 6 gives you instant mr.fingers house basslines ... Anyway, i guess what i am trying is that you also have to look at hardware stuff to produce, don't go right away at the software path. Different horses for different courses. Imho one of the reasons why this entire minimal sound got quiet boring and repetetive is that you can hear all the standard ableton live plugins and presets over and over again, it all comes from the same DA-converter, it's all getting so stale and predictive soundwise. Even running your seperate plugins or tracks through different outboard pre-amps, effect-units etc and re-recording them again in software will make your mix sound much better because some "organic" quality is added. So, don't count out hardware, you can buy an fully expanded Yamaha RS7000 for little money these days, add a microkorg, or a nord micromodular, or a moog little phatty, or a dave smith mopho, and you can make amazing sounding music away from your computer. just my 2cents Olaf |
| Xavier Emanuels 25.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by olafmol
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| Verona Fashbaugh 25.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by olafmol
I have a Microkorg and I love it to death. Haha actually I really like it though, hardware synth sometimes pwns software synth only because I still have trouble trusting computers for everything... but that's all changing... And sometimes it's nice to be able to jam something out without turning on a computer. Just me I guess... |
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