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If you were waiting for a reason to get Live 8 and Max for live, here it is
Posted on: 12.05.2010 by Breana Singerman
http://www.ableton.com/movies?type=tutorials

It's the video on the top of the page, the Schwarzonator.

Unbelievable to say the least, will totally change the game for the better me believes if more people start to catch on to it.

Looking into getting Live 8 and Max for Live now as we speak.
Dorie Scelzo
21.05.2010
Originally Posted by tpsowden
you can apply what you jsut said about scales to beat matching and phasing... especialy with vinyl.. if its out of key most of the time it'll sound like shit.. jsut like if you use the wrong keys it'll sound like shit...
Not really. Beat matching is perfectly regimented
Toni Hinga
21.05.2010		"The visual art analogy to this plugin isn't someone who accidentally makes a masterpiece
Dorie Scelzo
21.05.2010
Originally Posted by tpsowden
you can apply what you jsut said about scales to beat matching and phasing... especialy with vinyl.. if its out of key most of the time it'll sound like shit.. jsut like if you use the wrong keys it'll sound like shit...
Not really. Beat matching is perfectly regimented
Toni Hinga
21.05.2010		"The visual art analogy to this plugin isn't someone who accidentally makes a masterpiece
Dorie Scelzo
21.05.2010
Originally Posted by tpsowden
you can apply what you jsut said about scales to beat matching and phasing... especialy with vinyl.. if its out of key most of the time it'll sound like shit.. jsut like if you use the wrong keys it'll sound like shit...
Not really. Beat matching is perfectly regimented
Toni Hinga
21.05.2010		"The visual art analogy to this plugin isn't someone who accidentally makes a masterpiece
Dorie Scelzo
21.05.2010
Originally Posted by tpsowden
you can apply what you jsut said about scales to beat matching and phasing... especialy with vinyl.. if its out of key most of the time it'll sound like shit.. jsut like if you use the wrong keys it'll sound like shit...
Not really. Beat matching is perfectly regimented
Toni Hinga
21.05.2010		"The visual art analogy to this plugin isn't someone who accidentally makes a masterpiece
Dorie Scelzo
21.05.2010
Originally Posted by tpsowden
you can apply what you jsut said about scales to beat matching and phasing... especialy with vinyl.. if its out of key most of the time it'll sound like shit.. jsut like if you use the wrong keys it'll sound like shit...
Not really. Beat matching is perfectly regimented
Toni Hinga
21.05.2010		"The visual art analogy to this plugin isn't someone who accidentally makes a masterpiece
Dorie Scelzo
21.05.2010
Originally Posted by Nephew
That's kind of like you saying you hate a painter or writer because they've never had any formal training, and yet they are capable of creating amazing works of art.

None of these guys are claiming to be world class pianists, all they want to do is create music for people move and groove too. Where's the hard in that really? And if there's a tool that allows them to accomplish their vision then they'd be a fool not use it.
If they're capable of creating amazing works of art, either they've had some kind of training or they're a prodigy.

In the music world
Dorie Scelzo
19.05.2010		I actually like these responses. Interesting.

But, idk
Dorie Scelzo
21.05.2010
Originally Posted by tpsowden
you can apply what you jsut said about scales to beat matching and phasing... especialy with vinyl.. if its out of key most of the time it'll sound like shit.. jsut like if you use the wrong keys it'll sound like shit...
Not really. Beat matching is perfectly regimented
Toni Hinga
21.05.2010		"The visual art analogy to this plugin isn't someone who accidentally makes a masterpiece
Da Sunlounge
21.05.2010
Originally Posted by mostapha
There is something creative about learning scales and learning when you should ignore them…when to use the notes that aren't there.

You'll never figure that out if you're using a plugin to do your theory for you.
first off, i'm all for people learning music theory...why not? more knowledge, more power to you..

you do have an interesting point...

...but lets flip the analogy.... believe about people that use drum machines vs people that use real drums.

with a drum machine, you're using your two hands... while a real drummer uses his feet as well.

the real drummer can say... "but you'll never understand how it feels to hit a snare with a real drum stick...yadda yadda yadda.."

i dont believe the audience and listeners would care much in the end, if the song was made on a drum machine or a real set of drums as long as the song/beat sounds good.

or simply put... "in the end...as long as the beat/song sounds good, what does it matter if a patch was used?..."

thats like someone going up to all the people that produce using computers and saying... "you aint a real musician.. you're using computers to do all your work, go pick up a real guitar and play it"

i did play the guitar.......using my midi keyboard... :P

my2cents..


just make music.............. and make it sound good.
Dorie Scelzo
21.05.2010
Originally Posted by Nephew
That's kind of like you saying you hate a painter or writer because they've never had any formal training, and yet they are capable of creating amazing works of art.

None of these guys are claiming to be world class pianists, all they want to do is create music for people move and groove too. Where's the hard in that really? And if there's a tool that allows them to accomplish their vision then they'd be a fool not use it.
If they're capable of creating amazing works of art, either they've had some kind of training or they're a prodigy.

In the music world
Dorie Scelzo
20.05.2010
Originally Posted by Nephew
you don't need to understand music to use this patch, unlike the other two where you need to have some understanding to realize what you're getting out of them.
That's actually the sole reason I hate the new one.
Dorie Scelzo
19.05.2010		I actually like these responses. Interesting.

But, idk
Toni Hinga
23.05.2010		If your really that honest...lol...and this is the main reason you want max...I was telling a friend who can't play a lick about this as an alternative to max:
http://www.synthtopia.com/content/20...our-sequencer/


Haven't tried it but thought it might help. Cheers
Charline Dunch
22.05.2010		damn, now i got to spend 250eur on max for live
Dorie Scelzo
21.05.2010
Originally Posted by tpsowden
you can apply what you jsut said about scales to beat matching and phasing... especialy with vinyl.. if its out of key most of the time it'll sound like shit.. jsut like if you use the wrong keys it'll sound like shit...
Not really. Beat matching is perfectly regimented
Toni Hinga
21.05.2010		"The visual art analogy to this plugin isn't someone who accidentally makes a masterpiece
Da Sunlounge
21.05.2010
Originally Posted by mostapha
There is something creative about learning scales and learning when you should ignore them…when to use the notes that aren't there.

You'll never figure that out if you're using a plugin to do your theory for you.
first off, i'm all for people learning music theory...why not? more knowledge, more power to you..

you do have an interesting point...

...but lets flip the analogy.... believe about people that use drum machines vs people that use real drums.

with a drum machine, you're using your two hands... while a real drummer uses his feet as well.

the real drummer can say... "but you'll never understand how it feels to hit a snare with a real drum stick...yadda yadda yadda.."

i dont believe the audience and listeners would care much in the end, if the song was made on a drum machine or a real set of drums as long as the song/beat sounds good.

or simply put... "in the end...as long as the beat/song sounds good, what does it matter if a patch was used?..."

thats like someone going up to all the people that produce using computers and saying... "you aint a real musician.. you're using computers to do all your work, go pick up a real guitar and play it"

i did play the guitar.......using my midi keyboard... :P

my2cents..


just make music.............. and make it sound good.
Giselle Kawalec
20.05.2010		you can apply what you jsut said about scales to beat matching and phasing... especialy with vinyl.. if its out of key most of the time it'll sound like shit.. jsut like if you use the wrong keys it'll sound like shit...
Dorie Scelzo
20.05.2010		There's nothing creative about beat matching.

There is something creative about learning scales and learning when you should ignore them…when to use the notes that aren't there.

You'll never figure that out if you're using a plugin to do your theory for you.
Giselle Kawalec
20.05.2010		i believe its great.. in a way he is being creative and musical by improving his instrument! and in dance music its all about work flow.. the quicker you get your IDEA down.. the better it usually sounds in the end! its all good to have trained fingers.. but i am sure his ears are much more in tune with things, and thats what counts!

you can say the same about digital dj'in and beat grids compared to vinyl or cdj's and beat matching yourself... you got more time and freedom to be creative.. i believe some peoiple gotta relax sometimes haha
Dorie Scelzo
21.05.2010
Originally Posted by Nephew
That's kind of like you saying you hate a painter or writer because they've never had any formal training, and yet they are capable of creating amazing works of art.

None of these guys are claiming to be world class pianists, all they want to do is create music for people move and groove too. Where's the hard in that really? And if there's a tool that allows them to accomplish their vision then they'd be a fool not use it.
If they're capable of creating amazing works of art, either they've had some kind of training or they're a prodigy.

In the music world
Breana Singerman
20.05.2010		That's kind of like you saying you hate a painter or writer because they've never had any formal training, and yet they are capable of creating amazing works of art.

None of these guys are claiming to be world class pianists, all they want to do is create music for people move and groove too. Where's the hard in that really? And if there's a tool that allows them to accomplish their vision then they'd be a fool not use it.
Dorie Scelzo
20.05.2010
Originally Posted by Nephew
you don't need to understand music to use this patch, unlike the other two where you need to have some understanding to realize what you're getting out of them.
That's actually the sole reason I hate the new one.
Breana Singerman
19.05.2010		But there's also the networking aspect of the patch, where it can send that information to other laptops, and it will correct a key input if hit a wrong note, instead of not playing anything.

I understand Ableton has those plugins,but this one combines them in a more user friendly and intuitive way, plus you don't need to understand music to use this patch, unlike the other two where you need to have some understanding to realize what you're getting out of them.
Dorie Scelzo
19.05.2010		I actually like these responses. Interesting.

But, idk
Mac Fly
19.05.2010		I cant really see this being groundbreaking really. If you can't tell what sounds good by your own ears then more often then not other aspects of your production would sound bad wouldnt it?
Da Sunlounge
19.05.2010		This will open up a few doors for people that always 'heard' the music in their head but never knew to to technically play them. Its going to be interesting what people are going to come up with.
Rebbecca Fennell
19.05.2010
Originally Posted by mostapha
I like how his interview was basically him saying, "well
Breana Singerman
18.05.2010		Some people would rather focus on the creative aspect of music instead of taking the time to learn an instrument. His DJing and live performances are top notch as well and his productions and remixes are instant classics and ooze quality.

One of my favs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KacsU8YCwXk


I don't understand why you have the need to attack him though, we're not discussing him but the patch.
Dorie Scelzo
18.05.2010		I like how his interview was basically him saying, "well
Corine Kasman
12.05.2010		Music theory is not a road map to creativity. It is a tool used by musicians to be able to talk about something, kinda like a language. Using this language, music can be dissected to be able to look at the parts and discus them. And unlike science, the music can be reconstructed using the same tools! But that isn't creative...

Creativity is another thing all together, but when you can creatively use music theory, the world is your oyster.

Phil (who is feeling philosophical...no pun intended).
Breana Singerman
12.05.2010		But that's the beauty of it, once again the playing field is being leveled even more and now more people can be creative without have to take the time and effort to learn music theory.

I know a number of world class musicians, they are simply amazing at what they do, but they are not creative in the least bit oddly enough.

Just because you are one doesn't mean you're another.
robin loo
12.05.2010		just watched it half cause i'm really tired:

at first glance it's quite nice, but i was quite dissapointed, cause now every baby can press buttons and it sounds nice. no more musical skill.
gonna watch this 2morrow morning
Breana Singerman
12.05.2010		Chords and scales

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