Live vs. Cubase vs. Logic
Live vs. Cubase vs. Logic Posted on: 06.04.2010 by Beckie Baglia Hey guys. Currently I am using Ableton Live to do my productions but I've heard a lot of talk about cubase in tutorial videos I've been watching from people like Sub Focus and Chase & Status. What do you guys prefer? What is your DAW of choice and why? I am trying to get more professional here so the more I know the better. Thanks. | |
| Marybeth Escandon 01.07.2010 |
Originally Posted by supracg
And just a general observation, it seems lot of people seem to believe Live's workflow revolves around the Session View, but never seem to acknowledge it has an Arrangement View just like other DAWs. There's really no reason to believe of Live as 'Dj only', and that's one of the reasons so many producers are flocking to it. See? Just like other DAWs: |
| Belen Wermes 09.06.2010 |
Originally Posted by Nosferatu
yeah for writing music, all the software is totally capable. but when it comes down to the mixing and mastering engineering side of things, that's still open for debate. it seems like the general consensus though is that the mixing/mastering engineering side of things is best done by a trained pro on combination of pro-grade digital and analogue gear in a proper studio. |
| Ashirumatic DJ 09.04.2010 |
Originally Posted by Nosferatu
It really is to what services your needs. However I believe the question sometimes missed or overlooked when one gets into producing music is "what are my needs?". I know I did this when I started, just jumped into it with no direction and expecting to push the proverbial "hot track" button and move on. how wrong was I. Even then when you realize at how not like that it is, and your left with "what do I buy?/learn?" Start with your system ... PC? Mac? that can slightly narrow your choice down. Demo's! that suggestion is a grand one because you get to try the interface out to see if you "click" well with it. You can navigate and understand it with as comfortable an ease as possible. Mind you this somewhat does also take time. I know producers who believe they know a program that have new blood come along and show them a whole new world of circus tricks in that DAW. Personally I have been using FL.Studio and recently moved to a Mac environment with Logic. I also use Ableton and Cubase, Renoise, Rebirth, Record etc... but that is more myself being a "gear whore" and wanting to keep up with all technologies and somewhat remain a little loose and manageable for whatever project I may work on with anyone. Time consuming but good practice. As well if you have anyone near you that produces, go tell them you wanna do the same and have them help you set up. They will have a world of knowledge for you. Best tool you will have in the end, is always have fun with it and you will end up great! |
| Beckie Baglia 06.04.2010 | Hey guys. Currently I am using Ableton Live to do my productions but I've heard a lot of talk about cubase in tutorial videos I've been watching from people like Sub Focus and Chase & Status. What do you guys prefer? What is your DAW of choice and why? I am trying to get more professional here so the more I know the better. Thanks. |
| Marybeth Escandon 01.07.2010 |
Originally Posted by supracg
And just a general observation, it seems lot of people seem to believe Live's workflow revolves around the Session View, but never seem to acknowledge it has an Arrangement View just like other DAWs. There's really no reason to believe of Live as 'Dj only', and that's one of the reasons so many producers are flocking to it. See? Just like other DAWs: |
| Adil Laresh 28.06.2010 | it all comes down to preference, cost and what your friends are using (collaboration) I have used a few different DAWs and they all have their strengths and weaknesses. Try demos out, go over to a mates place and get them to show you around the DAWs that they have. Most modern DAWs do the job and it comes down to technique and hardwork to get your music sounding good. Having DAW xyz wont make your music better then any other if you don't know what your doing... Do your research, try them all and see what works best. |
| Stephaine Hains 25.06.2010 | As far as sounds go in live, is everyone basically using Max Live as well for instrumental/house tracks or is it not needed, curious if i should get the suite with Max live or not..generally the music I plan on making is afrojack styled I only have logic right now and I have a sound very close to afrojacks but not quite the same, but I here music from other producers like Chuckie etc. who somehow have the exact same sound (kindof like a siren)..any tips or help would be appreciated! |
| Cammie Cornelius 11.06.2010 | as far as all in one is concerned logic hands down the synths that are bundeled with it are great ES2 and ESM in particular and other DSPs are great too head and sholders above the rest and bundeled samples and loops are verry usable then aggain if you got a PC obv your best bet is cubase |
| Keli Vandenbergh 11.06.2010 | ... Ableton Live if you want to do "loop by loop" producing integrating dj set natively and then go on stage. Why to use more than one application? That's the key for success of Ableton. Cubase, Logic and other are really good on linear sequencing but not "so usefull" (maybe mainstage?) on realtime live gig situation. Traktor needs any kind of secuencer like propellerheads record... ... |
| Joni Stos 11.06.2010 | FL Studio for producing is fine. Often people tend to see it as something unprofessional and kiddy, but lot's of good production are made in FL. For me: Producing = FL DJ = Traktor My own music liveset = Smartmix Traktor in Ableton. |
| Belen Wermes 09.06.2010 |
Originally Posted by Nosferatu
yeah for writing music, all the software is totally capable. but when it comes down to the mixing and mastering engineering side of things, that's still open for debate. it seems like the general consensus though is that the mixing/mastering engineering side of things is best done by a trained pro on combination of pro-grade digital and analogue gear in a proper studio. |
| Stephaine Hains 09.06.2010 | noob question again but i want to make sure I get the right DAW; for house/electro music and usually not using much hardware based instruments, would logic be a good choice? I have a mac btw. |
| Zora Dombrowski 15.04.2010 | I have tried all three and I find each one has its great points. Editing wise I like the arranger of Logic and Cubase.Cubase has the best quantize options. |
| Ola Fornwalt 14.04.2010 | DAW Logic with reason rewired |
| Divina Darneal 14.04.2010 | I agree with everyone, its depending on taste... however, since you asked for "advice" (really subjective in this area) I was just in the same situation as you not too long ago, and I found out that to start out, the Reason/Record combination does the trick fairly well I can imagine people probably rolling their eyes already, but although the lack of VST support is a big issue for some, I found that for starters reason is the perfect "template" to start with, and Record adds the "DAW" aspect missing. And also, the fact that it seems built for limited use is completely false, you can get deep into production with this pair of programs (albeit doing certain "tricks") in fact, I recently did some mastering on a track I recorded in Garageband using reason! and when you want to just use another daw (I use Logic as well) the Rewire function is incredibly intuitive and makes the connection seamlessly between reason and your DAW of choice The webpage soundonsound.com offers great tutorials on these and DAWs like cubase, I suggest you take a look...then make your choice based on what everyone else has told you already! In the end, its what you feel comfortable with. Cheers |
| Giselle Kawalec 14.04.2010 | whats up bud! what everyone has said is true.. there is no real best daw.. as many people believe! really depends on hwo you work, what platform you have, (maybe what control surfaces you have as well) and i believe sometimes what sort of music your making! a good example is FL studio... for years people have smugged it off as more of a toy or learner program.. yet you see 100's of top prudcers using it soley for their productions, then there is abelton, the friendly interface.. with so many options and two different workflows.. then the traditional daws like logic, cubase, sonar and so on.. all very similar... if you got a mac though i would say jsut go with logic... it is easier and its designed inside box just for a mac.. so makes sense to be very stable! it has.. i believe the best daw bundled instruments and plugins!! if you got a pc.. and got ableton.. i would stick with it bro... it is powerful, especially if you learn itsa hidden uses and keystrokes... and you can work it into a live set in many different ways! cubase is good but the service from them are shit! hahaha i laugh at them bringing out a demo version of 5 a few weeks later a fully working version crack came out... they should have done that years ago! i have worked with all the daws i have mentioned and today i lean against cubase and ableton... but logic was great until i got rid of my shit macbookpro! sorry.. macs arent faster fanboys hahahahaha |
| Sophie Kotoff 14.04.2010 | + 1 for no really correct answer to this.... but..... If you're talking about Logic you must be on a Mac and Logic is far more stable and established with better CPU resources than Cubase under the Mac OS, there are certain things in Cubase that simply don't work properly and haven't for the last few revisions. I am aware of many people moving over to Logic 9 now and simply because of stability, latency and the ease of file swapping given such a large amount of modern dance and remixes are being done in Logic. |
| Tyisha Towle 09.04.2010 | "gear whore" hahahaha... I love it. (I'm sure it must be an old term, but it still made me laugh) |
| Ashirumatic DJ 09.04.2010 |
Originally Posted by Nosferatu
It really is to what services your needs. However I believe the question sometimes missed or overlooked when one gets into producing music is "what are my needs?". I know I did this when I started, just jumped into it with no direction and expecting to push the proverbial "hot track" button and move on. how wrong was I. Even then when you realize at how not like that it is, and your left with "what do I buy?/learn?" Start with your system ... PC? Mac? that can slightly narrow your choice down. Demo's! that suggestion is a grand one because you get to try the interface out to see if you "click" well with it. You can navigate and understand it with as comfortable an ease as possible. Mind you this somewhat does also take time. I know producers who believe they know a program that have new blood come along and show them a whole new world of circus tricks in that DAW. Personally I have been using FL.Studio and recently moved to a Mac environment with Logic. I also use Ableton and Cubase, Renoise, Rebirth, Record etc... but that is more myself being a "gear whore" and wanting to keep up with all technologies and somewhat remain a little loose and manageable for whatever project I may work on with anyone. Time consuming but good practice. As well if you have anyone near you that produces, go tell them you wanna do the same and have them help you set up. They will have a world of knowledge for you. Best tool you will have in the end, is always have fun with it and you will end up great! |
| Tyisha Towle 08.04.2010 | I'm guessing you'll get a lot of different answers for this one... Here's a few reasons why. 1. Workflow - This is really a preference thing, and can't be explained as it is based purely on how a given producer interacts with the GUI. 2. Platform - Some folks are dedicated to a particular platform (PC and/or Mac). Given that Logc is primarily a Mac app, if you already have a Mac, then it may translate into a cost thing. Ableton (in my opinion) presents a different workflow compared and may be an acquired taste for some be it on a Mac or PC. 3. Collaboration & Community - "No man is an island" If you work with a group of musicians or producers and they all use Ableton, it might be worthwhile to use it also to avoid some data conversion. This may also lend itself to a more streamlined workflow if everyone is "on the same page" so to speak. NOW...having said all that. I'm a big fan of Future Music magazine's "In The Studio" series of videos, and so far I haven't seen any of those producers using Cubase.... I use Cubase....why? Because another producer on the label I'm with also uses it, and we work better when we can just transfer files over the net and see exactly what the other is seeing/doing. My story is rather boring... I started on Cakewalk (didn't have a mac back in the early 90s), started working with another person who used Cubase, and haven't looked back since. I believe most would agree that they all get the job done... heck Deadmau5 uses FL Studio, and his stuff sounds amazing! Download the demos, you may be surprised by which one you gravitate towards. |
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