Who hates their PC or MAC
Who hates their PC or MAC Posted on: 09.10.2012 by Jammie Oleske So I'm looking for people who first hand have issues with their PC or MAC. I can search all I want about DJ laptops but pretty much all of it says "Mac will never crash" or "I hate iTunes" or "I'm not paying 2500 bucks for a laptop." I've heard the story that a MAC is far more stable than a PC and read the horror stories of laptops crashing in the middle of sets. But the stories are always second hand. Where is the guy that had the laptop crash? Did you dig into why? Was it just a drive you installed the day before? Did some popup kick you out of your software? Or did you just unplug your USB hdd and blame your software without telling anyone . Those are the comments I'm looking for. I'm not bias either way and paying 2k for a laptop doesn't bother me so lets hear what you've got running and what has gone wrong. | |
| Palma Hanslip 12.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by Liambo
But i also posted my NEGATIVES towards BOTH Mac and Windows and i also posted POSITIVES towards BOTH Mac and Windows as the OP asked. All down to my experience. I do have a working knowledge of computers (not a great one) but enough to get me past issues etc and i have the common sense to google issues before complaining etc. And i also stressed on more than one occasion that it made sense for me to move to Mac because i was working on Mac daily at College. I still use Windows on a daily basis at work and even outside work so nothing against it. I'm just a Mac man, and i also said previously that i would recommend Windows over Mac if budgets are concerned so i'm not biased. |
12.10.2012 | You're putting a lot of words in my mouth that I haven't even come close to saying there Sarasin. If you check my original post itt you'll see that I literally never do any maintenance on my machine, I keep the hd from filling up and that's it, so I have no idea why you believe I'm dissing people with no tech experience. Where have I called people 'dumb f__s' because they chose an Apple? I've had nothing but praise for Macs right the way through the thread. Sigma said it best in his last paragraph -
Originally Posted by DJSigma
Frankly when someone says that their laptop 'shat it' (or words to that effect) when trying to run really standard programs like photoshop I do call bullshit. And what do you know? It was bullshit and exaggeration. Check back on the thread and you'll find it's true. He implied that they wouldn't run and then later acknowledged that (a) they did run but (b) it was an old machine and he wanted them to run better. The best you can say about that is that it was a misleading thing to post. If everyone just kept to the point of the thread and bigged up what they like about their machine I wouldn't have to call bullshit on the obvious lies and exaggerations contained within. |
| Lilliana Perris 12.10.2012 | mmm...Jack mate...this is not a competition. If they had driver issues....thats what they had. Just because YOU know how to keep your Win machine running optimally, does not mean others do. Not every DJ is a technical person or comes from an IT background. So calling BS on someones experience is dumb. If Microsoft ignored all the issues non IT people have...they would be out of business. Their software is aimed at those who aren't IT learned. To be user friendly. So if someone is on a Windows machine and has these niggly issues when trying to use DJ Software reliably, it is in MS's best interest to address it to prevent these consumer types from going to another platform. Not so? Just because YOU can sort it out with ease, does not mean these people never had those problems. Whether that is stupid and a lazy outcome from these people, is another story entirely. The situation remains. They have issues and will look else where for a better option. Just because you then shout "You dumb f__s....you wasted your money running to a Mac, because you too dumb to fix a stupid driver issue on Windows", will make NO difference, will it? It is the truth...they were stupid and did not try hard enough to get to Window know their Windows setup and resolve the issue themselves, before splurging on another system. Still, that is what it is. You can shout it till you blue in the face mate....It changes nothing. |
12.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by tekki
Also, I noticed you took the swearing out of my post (despite the fact it wasn't aimed at anyone and wasn't insulting) yet you're quite happy for someone to call me a cunt. I believe that says it all about your 'moderation' and even-handedness. This place is a joke. |
| Random X 12.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by D-Kem
After three years my battery is not the best anymore. I have charged over 1000s of times, and yeah it states that it needs replacement, but I guess I don't want to do that yet or something. Yes, my DVD Combo has been kaput for quite some time, and can be used after using a cleaning cd/dvd. The tray seems to gather quite some shite very quickly. (I might bodge it for another HDD, as that I almost never use CDs/DVD in it anyways. All the updating etc is done by way of MemSticks and through WiFi, so why clean it.) |
| Janyce Henningson 12.10.2012 | I have a Windows 7 stup at home and a macbook pro (old C2D one) for playing out. Both work exactly the same - I had a few driver problems with Windows but once sorted it has been fine. |
| Random X 12.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by Jack Bastard
We're trying to share our experiences here, though you're constantly trying to get this back to on of the old PC vs. Mac heckling threads. Please stop this. |
| Lilliana Perris 12.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by Jack Bastard
I was bitching about Win7...being new to it and having to us a sub par laptop with it to boot. I am not thrilled by this current setup i have for work. Never slated Windows at all. I made my analogy and explained why i see it that way. Simple. I also never said you were slating Macs. I said your superiority complex is showing a bit and trying to win an argument on the net is....well...useless. |
| Lauretta Ehrhorn 12.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by Publicservice
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| Jolynn Schroyer 12.10.2012 | cool story bro. |
| Francie Gindin 12.10.2012 | I have a Dell Studio 1555. It required a lot of optimisation to have it running Traktor smoothly. You can read about it in this 51 page thread on the Native Instruments community
below: http://www.native-instruments.com/fo...=82401&page=51 Before I open Traktor I need to spend around 1min 30 sec to optimise my machine. I'm ok with that amount of time. I am not 'tech-savvy', but have managed to get Traktor to run on this machine and expect I could do the same with most PCs, even if they are cheap. Owning this computer has been an excellent learning experience My next computer will not be an Apple. When the time comes I'll do some research into off-the-shelf models and also consider a custom build for audio applications. |
| Tera Baragan 11.10.2012 | I have a HP Pavillion G6. Cost me 600 and has the same specs and MBP... LOL Runs like a dream. |
| Rolanda Clodfelder 11.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by hola amigos
Originally Posted by hola amigos
Apple computer chargers are pieces of shit. Ive been through 3 chargers already. Two crapped out randomly and one lit on fire while I was charging it. Had to pay for all three
I believe there is a class action against the chargers bulging and breaking near the connector- only ever had an issue with my first gen white macbook's charger doing it though. On the upside at least they aren't fugly as hell. |
| Debrah Arnaout 11.10.2012 | Apple computer chargers are pieces of shit. Ive been through 3 chargers already. Two crapped out randomly and one lit on fire while I was charging it. Had to pay for all three |
| Jolynn Schroyer 11.10.2012 | Its called LCD wipes. Go buy them at walmart for 3$ it gets rid of all finger prints on the glass. Edit: Don't blow loads on the computer screen. Aim dick at the floor. |
| Rolanda Clodfelder 11.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by Audeo
D'oh! - this is meant to be a bitching and Moaning thread My Macbook's Screen gets dirty from time to time, that really pisses me off FFS haven't they heard of self cleaning class |
| Merideth Garnder 11.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by Jack Bastard
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| Venetta Cawyer 11.10.2012 | Christ, I really HATE my Macbook Pro and PC. I mean, they always bitch and MOAN about updates updates and updates.. but the hardware itself doesn't update or gets any faster. I mean.. what's the use of an UPDATE if it doesn't go FASTER and LOUDER? No, that takes MOAR money and money and a few years later.. even MOAR money. I plead for organic hardware that actually UPDATES itself. |
| Stanley Peckman 11.10.2012 | I've got both as of two months ago. A 2010 Dell Inspiron and a late 2011 build MBP which I bought 'cheap' as it was the outgoing model. I pretty much only use the Mac now with Traktor as it's simpler to use; I can lie in bed with headphones in and plug in the F1 and play around then 10 mins later plug it to the S4 without having to update the output routings. I like the no messing around way that Traktor works on a Mac however I'd promote the notion that that is due to Traktor being designed as a Mac programme and Windows was an after thought rather than the MBP being wonderful compared to a laptop..... The laptop does work fine though, I run two accounts on it - normal and stripped out everything switched off DJ account. I still use for all my music downloading and file tidying up then transfer what works over to the MBP via external hard drive. I cant say I hate the Dell, nor can I say the MBP makes me go weak at the knees;- just different tools that do different jobs. But yes, I did get the odd drop out on the laptop that has not happened on the Mac. The one thing that does bug me is I cant transfer my mixed in key account between machines, I'm not paying twice for it. |
| Erica Charvet 11.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by jeepwidow
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11.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by sarasin
You can't because I haven't. Now, if I was to quote all the disinformation put out there by the Mac owners that would be quite a post. Surely you must see that you don't have to put Windows down to say how happy you are with your Mac? |
11.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by Liambo
A couple of things - Ableton, Traktor, Photoshop, etc not running IS a uniquely weird problem. Fact. Secondly Advent is a budget, or cheapy make, they are rebadged no-name laptops sold in PC World. You've gone from stating that they didn't run at all to that it didn't do what you wanted it to well enough and you were due for an upgrade. If you'd said that to start with no one would have challenged what you said. I hardly believe that challenging the lazy and inaccurate assertions you've made constitutes 'destroying a decent thread'. |
| Palma Hanslip 11.10.2012 | To be honest i don't find my 'conflation of uniquely weird problems' weird at all, I had general problems, wanted to upgrade anyways, made sense for me to move to Mac so i did. The laptop was an Advent, did great for 3 years and wasn't a 'cheapy' it was a decent spec, just didn't do what i wanted it to do well enough. You seem to be a bit of a argumentative c*nt and seem to have destroyed a decent thread. |
11.10.2012 | Nobody said you didn't like Windows, it was your conflation of uniquely weird problems on your cheapy Acer into Reasons You Should Buy Mac that I took issue with, basically what Sigma said in his last paragraph. |
| Lilliana Perris 11.10.2012 | Jack, you are the one making this a PC vs Mac argument again. The OP wanted opinions...and that is what he is getting. What makes your opinion better that anyone elses? How will someone that looks through this thread, know that YOUR opinion is the best and closest to fact? This is a community , where people may speak their minds and ask questions. Whether they are right or wrong, is not the point. Discussion is the point. If you feel someones post is wrong, correct them by all means....but your tone kinda makes me not even want to join in any further. It has been said before and I will mention it again, its this sort of thing that turns people off...from joining in. Should I have just kept my opinion to myself? You say that its acolytes singing Mac Fanboy songs, but I did not pick that up here. I purely saw people telling of their experiences. No one was bashing PC's. They were giving their opinion as to why they love their Macs. There were posts of how Windows has been nothing but great for others. Let the discussion go on bro...why try and shut everyone up with your self believed tech superiority? Add your piece and let the rest do the same. You don't HAVE to compete in every argument you come across. I don't get it man... |
| Palma Hanslip 11.10.2012 | Nice post Sigma, Jack i'm going to ignore your last post, i have seen it but just going to reply something else. But in a nutshell, yes i'm a Mac user, yes i have moved over from Windows, but i have never said i don't like Windows. Certain things irritate me about it, but i also mentioned certain things irritate me about Mac (uninstalling and installing for example). I will always advise people if they don't mind about money to buy Mac but if they can't i'll always tell them to go Windows (especially if they know their stuff). I had problems with my old laptop but i have also had problems with Mac, they were just easier to resolve. I have friends that DJ using Windows and they are half the price of my Macbook Pro but run a shit load smoother. It's all a preference, i had dislikes and likes on both platforms |
11.10.2012 | Excellent post Sigma. No PC user in this thread is saying 'don't buy a Mac', they're clearly great machines (well, they should be for the price), what people are saying is 'you don't need to buy a Mac'. Don't be conned by the hyperbole and FUD put about by some of the more 'enthusiastic' Mac owners. Shop wisely and you can save yourself a huge amount of money and get something that'll be functionally identical for your purposes. |
| Lina Rawie 11.10.2012 | I believe there's 3 advantages with Macs: - 1. Apple don't build a cheap version. While that's not strictly an advantage because you can buy Windows-based laptops that have excellent build quality (at a higher price than your cheap Dell and Acer machines of course), it means there's less chance of buyer's remorse. A lot of people switch to a Mac from a laptop that was much cheaper than their Mac, so of course you would expect it to be better, just like if you bought a nice high end Ultrabook over a $400 Dell. 2. There's less variance in hardware with Macs, which makes software testing easier. 3. The way OS X handles audio applications is different than in Windows. You won't get issues with DPC latency on a Mac running OS X, for instance. For DJs and people into music production, I believe this is the best argument for buying a Mac over a Windows-based PC, even though it does not mean that all Windows-based PCs are no good for DJing/production. Also, if you look at the price of high end Ultrabooks, they're no cheaper than Macs really. But there are many people running Serato or Traktor just fine on Windows-based PCs that cost half the price of a Macbook or Ultrabook, so you certainly don't have to spend $1,000+ on a machine. Also - and this is hard for some Apple users to believe - there are actually people that have used both and prefer Windows to OS X. Serato was absolutely rock solid for me on Windows - no crashes, no glitches - it was perfect. I've had one or two issues with Traktor, but they are issues with the Traktor software, not issues caused by me running it on Windows. But buying an Apple product seems to turn a lot of people into dodgy salesmen who want you to buy X instead of Y and when you ask why, they say "ooooh, if you buy Y you're gonna have all kinds of trouble!", followed by a list of exaggerations. Macbooks are great laptops and I would definitely agree that there is a lower risk in running into issues if you buy one, but that does not mean that the risk of running into issues on a Windows machine is so high that you should rule one out. I'm not an idiot - I wouldn't stick with an OS that caused me problems if there's another one I could use that works perfectly, lol. |
11.10.2012 | We are on-topic. This is the sort of FUD I was discussing before. You say it couldn't run Photoshop, Torq, Ableton, etc on it and it was above spec. Why wouldn't they run then? Because that's really not normal. That's like 'take it back and demand a refund' not normal, and you shouldn't really be posting about generic PC problems using that as an example because it's so incredibly unusual. As for the FUD about updates, I only update Traktor when NI release new versions, and nothing else really. Exactly the same as a Mac user (except that Windows has new OS versions less often, so less to update). What were all these things that people claim they had to keep updating? So many vague and fuzzy posts, so little actual fact and detail. Nothing but FUD. |
| Palma Hanslip 11.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by Jack Bastard
I ain't turning this into another war so back on topic. |
11.10.2012 | I did read your post and it just appeared to be as full of hyperbole as all the other posts from acolytes.
Originally Posted by Liambo
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| Palma Hanslip 11.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by Jack Bastard
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11.10.2012 | Isn't it strange that the vast majority of people reporting problems with PCs are Mac users? |
| Kandra Fagler 11.10.2012 | i absolutely love my macbook pro! I just upgraded a few months ago to the 2012 13 inch model (ivy bridge 2.5 ghz , 8GB DDR3 1600 mhz, 500GB hdd) to replace my aging old 2010 model (Core2Duo 2.4ghz, 8GB DDR3 1066hz , 750GB hdd) which i used since mid 2010 for a good 2 years during that 2 years with my 13 inch 2010 macbook pro it has NEVER crashed on me - except once when i yanked out the mbox while i was running protools - which was my fault really, and i have almost never turned it off, I just close the lid to put in on sleep mode, i never really did need to use the apple care protection (which was why I stopped purchasing the apple care - one year warranty is enough for me as I have always good luck with apple products) the 2012 13 inch model has been really great too, it runs A LOT cooler than my 13 inch 2010 MBP, the 2010 model would get heated up even by playing flash videos (goes up to 3000-5000 rpm) but the new 2012 model stays at 2000 rpm (fan speed) almost all the time, I barely ever see it going beyond 3000 rpm fan speed before my 2010 mbp i used an acer laptop - that piece of crap gave me BSOD almost every day, even though at the time it was nicely specced, and i used that dp latency thing to tweak it - still crashed a lot, which was the first reason why i switched to mac |
| Ashanti Andreacchio 11.10.2012 | All Mac have mostly the same components and what works on a MBA also works on a MBP or iMac. So in that way it's safer to go Mac this makes it easier for hardware manufactures to designe for Mac. With Windows no computer model has the same configuration therefor making it much harder to develop for the platform. With a Mac if the Software and Controller are suported then it will more without problems 99% times. On windows that is just not true. You can get a windows laptop where everything works without problems so more reserch is needed before buying. And if the research is done you can get a loptop that is cheeper and runs as good or even better then a MBP. I've had several Windows machines and have been totaly happy with them. Heck we use my 10+ years old HP in the club for karaoke running VDJ and it has no probs what so ever. I personaly only use Mac at home and for DJ'ing. I produce music surfe and some gaming(Minimal) my Macbook only has Traktor and some other DJ related stuf on it, I even have uninstalled TextEdit. I've never had one crash only once at home Traktor restarted after I had just started it up. Windows is good if you get the right computer Mac is 95% of the time good. this is just my opinnion though. |
| Belen Tallbull 11.10.2012 | I have both I am perfectly happy DJing on the PC and can see no need to switch to the MAC. YMMV |
| Rena Estabrook 10.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by jeepwidow
I'll find out when this comes in. http://www.kvconnection.com/product-...e-2trs-a22.htm |
| Jammie Oleske 10.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by sss18734
Originally Posted by HighTopFade
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| Rena Estabrook 10.10.2012 | I'm pretty bummed about my 2012 13" Macbook's inability to record from a standard 1/8" plug. |
| Erica Charvet 10.10.2012 | I wasn't thrilled with my Dell M90 when I used it for DJ purposes. It dropped out on me once or twice for a second or two and I had some driver compatibility issues with my S4... but none with the Audio 8. It also had an issue with heat. But I had had it since high school and used it a lot. I can't recommend that particular laptop. However, the Precision M6400 that I had recently ran it like a dream. There are certain models that seem to consistently be trouble-free with DJ software... The MacBook Pro being just one of them PC's bad reputation usually comes from the cheap, consumer grade notebooks that are used for day-to-day purposes as well as for performance. Regardless, you should always have two notebooks. A friend of mine had his performance at a bar ruined because his $2000 MBP with a solid state drive crapped out on him mid-set. |
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