Deadmau5: "burn all electronic music down, i don't care"

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Deadmau5: "burn all electronic music down, i don't care"
Posted on: 27.11.2012 by Rochel Papillion
Dj Sneak got all butt hurt over this interview, which then started a bunch of other people stating their opinion about EDM 90s rave and techno on twitter and facebook!

http://www.mixmag.net/words/news/dea...wn-i-dont-care
Pam Stolley
29.11.2012
Originally Posted by Ham
I just tip my hat (not actually wearing a hat.....) to the DJs and Producers who don't get caught up in this childish bullshit and just get on doing what they love, those are the people I respect (even though there are very few these days)
he's mainstream and he has kind of an abrasive public persona so this is bound to happen. skrillex and avicii don't really give interviews so we're left with mr mau5. nobody from billboard is going to interview carl cox, liebing, tenaglia, van buuren.

from what i'm reading in this thread seems sneak likes to call people out and mau5 being the kind of guy he is couldn't resist returning the favor.

richie hawtin just did an interview with the nytimes about his college lecture series. interesting read. thankfully he took the high road.

Q.
Someone could hear a sense of resentment in there, that the music that won the race is not the best music, not the more complex or interesting kinds of music that have been bubbling around for 20 years.

A.
When does the complex, diverse, subtle music reach the masses? Pop music is music for the masses. The electronic music that
Darren Teboe
04.12.2012
Originally Posted by keeb
What I'm saying is I'll leave the older generation to appreciate Sneak. And yeah, I'm at least semi-familiar with all of those names, Keith. I haven't been around EDM for decades, but I've made an effort to brush up on the history. Maybe I'm just not down with Sneak's sound, or I don't appreciate him given the lack of context, but what I've seen of him mixing didn't really impress... I don't know what to tell you. While I don't agree with much of what comes out of Joel's mouth these days, he does have a point; Sneak doesn't seem to be very relevant in 2012 and I could easily see an artist in a position like he is railing against the current state of house (as so many DJs do) simply to gain more contemporary exposure. Simple incentives, really; Sneak "keeps it real" while generating free, easy publicity.

Say what you will about DJMag's top 100, but with deadmau5 at #5 and DJ Sneak not even making the cut - there's at least a bit of evidence to support my theory that about contemporary relevance and that Sneak could potentially gain from this kind of exposure. How many people reading those tweets do you believe have a clue who DJ Sneak is (hint: Sneak has 25k twitter followers, Deadmau5 has 1.75 million)?

Nevermind the fact that Sneak's stance (at least as described by Zimmerman in the interview - feel free to let us know if he was making that up/taking it out of context) is anachronistic at best. Sure, we should appreciate house music's roots and we should endeavor to uphold the standard of excellence that's been passed down. However, clinging firmly to past ideas only serves to stagnate musical progress and innovation; and coming from someone you laud as a pioneer, it seems... odd, to say the least. It seems like he's either after publicity as I mentioned above, or is actually afraid of change making him irrelevant. Or mau5 made it up...?

I believe you are misunderstanding my stance, so there isn't much more point in trying to get it across. I'll leave it at this... you say we should endeavor to uphold the standard of excellence that's been passed down, yet defend the guy who simplifies all of it down to button pushing and pushing play, and question the guy who calls him out for it. Irony.
Ok Moroski
03.12.2012
Originally Posted by mostapha
Why do DJs keep supporting this worthless cunt?
At least in my case I have an appreciation for his music (within the context of my life and my experiences) and I've never really cared about music politics. When artists do/say stupid things, it generally amuses me - I don't take it personally like so many do. At the end of the day, what I care about is whether or not the music sounds good to me, not whether I'd like to be friends with the guy who produced it or not. I do find it funny though that Deadmau5 is being lumped in with SHM; his music certainly isn't soulful house, but it's not in the same category as SHM either. If you've listened to his productions along the years, Deadmau5 has stayed pretty true to his sound and hadn't really embraced the bubblegum house scene that Guetta headlined even though it was blowing up at the time.

I enjoy Deep House, funky beats, and jazz-like precision in house. However, I don't believe all house should be like that simply because it's one of my preferences. Similarly, I enjoy the distortion, reverb, and general rock-like atmopshere that Electro brings, but I wouldn't shove that down everybody's throat either.
Ok Moroski
02.12.2012
Originally Posted by sobi
What you're really saying is that you aren't knowledgable on who are and aren't icons in House music. When people say Minimal Techno, Hawtin should be the first name that comes to mind. When people say Jump-Up Jungle, Aphrodite should be the first name out of their mouths. Finally, when people say tracky House, Sneak always would be the first one. Guy has been there since almost the beginning, and is one of the legends and a pioneer at his sound.
What I'm saying is I'll leave the older generation to appreciate Sneak. And yeah, I'm at least semi-familiar with all of those names, Keith. I haven't been around EDM for decades, but I've made an effort to brush up on the history. Maybe I'm just not down with Sneak's sound, or I don't appreciate him given the lack of context, but what I've seen of him mixing didn't really impress... I don't know what to tell you. While I don't agree with much of what comes out of Joel's mouth these days, he does have a point; Sneak doesn't seem to be very relevant in 2012 and I could easily see an artist in a position like he is railing against the current state of house (as so many DJs do) simply to gain more contemporary exposure. Simple incentives, really; Sneak "keeps it real" while generating free, easy publicity.

Say what you will about DJMag's top 100, but with deadmau5 at #5 and DJ Sneak not even making the cut - there's at least a bit of evidence to support my theory that about contemporary relevance and that Sneak could potentially gain from this kind of exposure. How many people reading those tweets do you believe have a clue who DJ Sneak is (hint: Sneak has 25k twitter followers, Deadmau5 has 1.75 million)?

Nevermind the fact that Sneak's stance (at least as described by Zimmerman in the interview - feel free to let us know if he was making that up/taking it out of context) is anachronistic at best. Sure, we should appreciate house music's roots and we should endeavor to uphold the standard of excellence that's been passed down. However, clinging firmly to past ideas only serves to stagnate musical progress and innovation; and coming from someone you laud as a pioneer, it seems... odd, to say the least. It seems like he's either after publicity as I mentioned above, or is actually afraid of change making him irrelevant. Or mau5 made it up...?
Darren Teboe
02.12.2012
Originally Posted by keeb
He's got credibility. He's just not the icon that he's acting like. That's all I'm saying.
What you're really saying is that you aren't knowledgable on who are and aren't icons in House music. When people say Minimal Techno, Hawtin should be the first name that comes to mind. When people say Jump-Up Jungle, Aphrodite should be the first name out of their mouths. Finally, when people say tracky House, Sneak always would be the first one. Guy has been there since almost the beginning, and is one of the legends and a pioneer at his sound.
Margie Pavell
01.12.2012
Originally Posted by keeb
He's got credibility. He's just not the icon that he's acting like. That's all I'm saying.
yes he is...you just don't know it. Do you know who Derrick Carter is? Bad Boy Bill? Doc Martin? Kevin Saunderson? Hector Morales?
Ok Moroski
01.12.2012
Originally Posted by SirReal
Sneak may be many things but a poser, he is definitely not. That guy's been spinning and producing house tracks for decades.
He's got credibility. He's just not the icon that he's acting like. That's all I'm saying.
Pam Stolley
29.11.2012
Originally Posted by Ham
I just tip my hat (not actually wearing a hat.....) to the DJs and Producers who don't get caught up in this childish bullshit and just get on doing what they love, those are the people I respect (even though there are very few these days)
he's mainstream and he has kind of an abrasive public persona so this is bound to happen. skrillex and avicii don't really give interviews so we're left with mr mau5. nobody from billboard is going to interview carl cox, liebing, tenaglia, van buuren.

from what i'm reading in this thread seems sneak likes to call people out and mau5 being the kind of guy he is couldn't resist returning the favor.

richie hawtin just did an interview with the nytimes about his college lecture series. interesting read. thankfully he took the high road.

Q.
Someone could hear a sense of resentment in there, that the music that won the race is not the best music, not the more complex or interesting kinds of music that have been bubbling around for 20 years.

A.
When does the complex, diverse, subtle music reach the masses? Pop music is music for the masses. The electronic music that
Rochel Papillion
05.12.2012
Video of the Mau5 on a mixer (look like DB4 with two X1) only got to the first 20 min to make sure it wasnt some bull and it is not



guess him not caring about anything kind of make sense now
Ryan Schlich
04.12.2012
What Deadmau5 said is unfortunate but true. You really can't complain though. (or shouldn't)
EDM is going through a phase.

As a DJ who plays mostly EDM these days, I really don't care if it dies out either. Ill just move on to bigger and more creative things.
Sure maybe he is over payed, over simplifies his productions, and isn't a real DJ (He says so himself) but he is popular and marketable.
Furthermore, he never really sold out. His music and style has been consistent throughout his career. He can't help being famous.
Also, EDM becoming popular has led MANY other artists who aren't as popular to produce AMAZING songs.
People will eventually stray away from the mainstream in each individuals attempt to stand out in this world.
Newer and better things will come out, only to be eventually sucked into the mainstream.

Ive been DJing for years but I really don't care how mainstream it has gotten and how every 15 year old wants to be a DJ.
It levels the playing field, and it pushes me to be even more creative. If a kid can do what you do and takes your job, you only have yourself to blame for not trying to evolve and improve.

Its like sitting at home complaining that Lil wayne is killing hiphop, when you can do yourself and the world a favor by producing better tracks than him.


TL/DR: People complain and cry too much instead of empowering themselves to do greater things
Darren Teboe
04.12.2012
Originally Posted by keeb
What I'm saying is I'll leave the older generation to appreciate Sneak. And yeah, I'm at least semi-familiar with all of those names, Keith. I haven't been around EDM for decades, but I've made an effort to brush up on the history. Maybe I'm just not down with Sneak's sound, or I don't appreciate him given the lack of context, but what I've seen of him mixing didn't really impress... I don't know what to tell you. While I don't agree with much of what comes out of Joel's mouth these days, he does have a point; Sneak doesn't seem to be very relevant in 2012 and I could easily see an artist in a position like he is railing against the current state of house (as so many DJs do) simply to gain more contemporary exposure. Simple incentives, really; Sneak "keeps it real" while generating free, easy publicity.

Say what you will about DJMag's top 100, but with deadmau5 at #5 and DJ Sneak not even making the cut - there's at least a bit of evidence to support my theory that about contemporary relevance and that Sneak could potentially gain from this kind of exposure. How many people reading those tweets do you believe have a clue who DJ Sneak is (hint: Sneak has 25k twitter followers, Deadmau5 has 1.75 million)?

Nevermind the fact that Sneak's stance (at least as described by Zimmerman in the interview - feel free to let us know if he was making that up/taking it out of context) is anachronistic at best. Sure, we should appreciate house music's roots and we should endeavor to uphold the standard of excellence that's been passed down. However, clinging firmly to past ideas only serves to stagnate musical progress and innovation; and coming from someone you laud as a pioneer, it seems... odd, to say the least. It seems like he's either after publicity as I mentioned above, or is actually afraid of change making him irrelevant. Or mau5 made it up...?

I believe you are misunderstanding my stance, so there isn't much more point in trying to get it across. I'll leave it at this... you say we should endeavor to uphold the standard of excellence that's been passed down, yet defend the guy who simplifies all of it down to button pushing and pushing play, and question the guy who calls him out for it. Irony.
Ok Moroski
03.12.2012
Originally Posted by mostapha
Why do DJs keep supporting this worthless cunt?
At least in my case I have an appreciation for his music (within the context of my life and my experiences) and I've never really cared about music politics. When artists do/say stupid things, it generally amuses me - I don't take it personally like so many do. At the end of the day, what I care about is whether or not the music sounds good to me, not whether I'd like to be friends with the guy who produced it or not. I do find it funny though that Deadmau5 is being lumped in with SHM; his music certainly isn't soulful house, but it's not in the same category as SHM either. If you've listened to his productions along the years, Deadmau5 has stayed pretty true to his sound and hadn't really embraced the bubblegum house scene that Guetta headlined even though it was blowing up at the time.

I enjoy Deep House, funky beats, and jazz-like precision in house. However, I don't believe all house should be like that simply because it's one of my preferences. Similarly, I enjoy the distortion, reverb, and general rock-like atmopshere that Electro brings, but I wouldn't shove that down everybody's throat either.
Rochel Papillion
02.12.2012
I didnt know who Sneak was until he went after SHM, but I knew of the other guys that are associated with the birth of house/techno. I like what he does but I kind of raise n eyebrow at the House gangster shit, at the same time im glad he kind of goes after these people cause call it what you want but dont be telling people your bubble gum stuff is house; if the thing has no feeling or soul
Dorie Scelzo
02.12.2012
Why do DJs keep supporting this worthless cunt?
Ok Moroski
02.12.2012
Originally Posted by sobi
What you're really saying is that you aren't knowledgable on who are and aren't icons in House music. When people say Minimal Techno, Hawtin should be the first name that comes to mind. When people say Jump-Up Jungle, Aphrodite should be the first name out of their mouths. Finally, when people say tracky House, Sneak always would be the first one. Guy has been there since almost the beginning, and is one of the legends and a pioneer at his sound.
What I'm saying is I'll leave the older generation to appreciate Sneak. And yeah, I'm at least semi-familiar with all of those names, Keith. I haven't been around EDM for decades, but I've made an effort to brush up on the history. Maybe I'm just not down with Sneak's sound, or I don't appreciate him given the lack of context, but what I've seen of him mixing didn't really impress... I don't know what to tell you. While I don't agree with much of what comes out of Joel's mouth these days, he does have a point; Sneak doesn't seem to be very relevant in 2012 and I could easily see an artist in a position like he is railing against the current state of house (as so many DJs do) simply to gain more contemporary exposure. Simple incentives, really; Sneak "keeps it real" while generating free, easy publicity.

Say what you will about DJMag's top 100, but with deadmau5 at #5 and DJ Sneak not even making the cut - there's at least a bit of evidence to support my theory that about contemporary relevance and that Sneak could potentially gain from this kind of exposure. How many people reading those tweets do you believe have a clue who DJ Sneak is (hint: Sneak has 25k twitter followers, Deadmau5 has 1.75 million)?

Nevermind the fact that Sneak's stance (at least as described by Zimmerman in the interview - feel free to let us know if he was making that up/taking it out of context) is anachronistic at best. Sure, we should appreciate house music's roots and we should endeavor to uphold the standard of excellence that's been passed down. However, clinging firmly to past ideas only serves to stagnate musical progress and innovation; and coming from someone you laud as a pioneer, it seems... odd, to say the least. It seems like he's either after publicity as I mentioned above, or is actually afraid of change making him irrelevant. Or mau5 made it up...?
Darren Teboe
02.12.2012
Originally Posted by keeb
He's got credibility. He's just not the icon that he's acting like. That's all I'm saying.
What you're really saying is that you aren't knowledgable on who are and aren't icons in House music. When people say Minimal Techno, Hawtin should be the first name that comes to mind. When people say Jump-Up Jungle, Aphrodite should be the first name out of their mouths. Finally, when people say tracky House, Sneak always would be the first one. Guy has been there since almost the beginning, and is one of the legends and a pioneer at his sound.
Margie Pavell
01.12.2012
Originally Posted by keeb
He's got credibility. He's just not the icon that he's acting like. That's all I'm saying.
yes he is...you just don't know it. Do you know who Derrick Carter is? Bad Boy Bill? Doc Martin? Kevin Saunderson? Hector Morales?
Ok Moroski
01.12.2012
Originally Posted by SirReal
Sneak may be many things but a poser, he is definitely not. That guy's been spinning and producing house tracks for decades.
He's got credibility. He's just not the icon that he's acting like. That's all I'm saying.
Antonetta Wikel
01.12.2012
Sneak may be many things but a poser, he is definitely not. That guy's been spinning and producing house tracks for decades.
Ok Moroski
01.12.2012
Deadmau5 is apparently a dick (publicly) but he makes tunes that I enjoy. Sneak is apparently a dick (publicly) and is only even relevant to me because I saw him on Pioneer DJSounds once...

You're always going to have the "old guard" when it comes to EDM. What amuses me about this whole thing is that Sneak of all people is trying to be that "old guard," and flat out is just using it as an excuse to bash on people who are more talented than he is. Not saying I'm in the same league as any of the above, but Sneak seems like a damn poser is all I've gotten out of his rants; guess the mau5 wins this PR battle...
Pam Stolley
29.11.2012
Originally Posted by Ham
I just tip my hat (not actually wearing a hat.....) to the DJs and Producers who don't get caught up in this childish bullshit and just get on doing what they love, those are the people I respect (even though there are very few these days)
he's mainstream and he has kind of an abrasive public persona so this is bound to happen. skrillex and avicii don't really give interviews so we're left with mr mau5. nobody from billboard is going to interview carl cox, liebing, tenaglia, van buuren.

from what i'm reading in this thread seems sneak likes to call people out and mau5 being the kind of guy he is couldn't resist returning the favor.

richie hawtin just did an interview with the nytimes about his college lecture series. interesting read. thankfully he took the high road.

Q.
Someone could hear a sense of resentment in there, that the music that won the race is not the best music, not the more complex or interesting kinds of music that have been bubbling around for 20 years.

A.
When does the complex, diverse, subtle music reach the masses? Pop music is music for the masses. The electronic music that
Yong Aptekar
29.11.2012
hack, failed DJ, everyone hates him, makes terrible music, blah blah blah. So much hate for an opinion that isn't any different than the opinions above. Fact is, the Mau5 makes tracks that fill dancefloors. The whole reason any of us do what we do is to make people dance. He's seems to have accomplished that. Celebrities will be hated by some, lothed by others and loved by the rest. The ones that speak up about how terrible of a person he is, need to look inside themselves. Does it matter in the end to you if an artist says something stupid?
Kanesha Bredin
29.11.2012
Originally Posted by era 7
on the other hand: Dj sneak is butthurt all the time
truth
Emerson Crist
29.11.2012
Very well said. I actually had a drink with him a few years back after a set here and he is the most down to earth guy ive ever met.
Werner Bile
29.11.2012
In the interests of pointlessly stoking the fire of this argument, here is dnb veteran AK-1200's response:

just saw some of the little beef with Sneak and DMau5. no surprise. anyone who was back there in the early days of any culture or industry all had to do it the hard way, and carve the path and create the foundation for what would eventually reinvent itself a million times over and over. just like Henry Ford or Thomas Edison, some people are key figures in the development of something special. some
thing life changing. something truly worth nurturing and using as a guide for things to come.

fast forward to a new generation, and the pioneers get replaced and forgotten and rarely get a nod for their contributions or their innovations, especially by the people who should most appreciate it. the ones who actually gained from the trials and tribulations of those who preceded them.

For electronic music however, true electronic music and electronic musicians, whether their instrument was 2 turntables and a mixer, or if they were dissecting the capabilities available by the AKAI or EMU samplers, or learning the best way to manipulate compressors or oscillators, they all did this with pure passion, never ever believeing that they can turn this into an enterprise. that was the record labels who sought fame and exploitation, never the artists.

There are so many legends over 20 years deep in the game, who still have that passion and still believe that substance will ultimately outshine the nothingness that has become of this thing called EDM. These artists have and still would play multiple hour sets for their crowds, creating a lasting memory in the form of what we used to call "the journey".

I am glad to have withstood the tests of time, and managed to do my best to maintain relevancy for 20 plus years only because I have the passion for the one little tiny corner of dance music I happen to play. Drum and Bass music has kept me around as a DJ and as a fan of music, but I respect House music, I respect Techno music. I respect the heart it takes to stand by your passion and take jabs constantly on message boards and now on you tube comments or facebook pages or twitter feeds.

All I can believe of, is after so long, people take the wool (or cake) from over their own eyes, and see clearly, and begin to research for themselves what it is about this scene that makes them stay loyal, and with that comes the education of its history, and one day, one year, long from now, people will say, yeah these were the guys that really made it happen the hard way, and led the revolution and started the evolution. and look at these little periods of time when all that was compromised for novelty.

I feel proud to be one of the people who helped carve a path in America's scene, and nobody can ever take that away from me, as it is and will always be my legacy.

Dave AK1200
Margie Pavell
28.11.2012
i have a friend that met and worked with funkagneda...he had nothing positive to say
about him...
Cindie Somoza
28.11.2012
I just tip my hat (not actually wearing a hat.....) to the DJs and Producers who don't get caught up in this childish bullshit and just get on doing what they love, those are the people I respect (even though there are very few these days)
Myles Hasken
28.11.2012
Originally Posted by PeteWoods
tony dee got involvd with funkagenda on twitter as well, believe funkagenda shut him up with this...


"House is a feeling, and when you feel it you will understand that house music is freedom. Freedom to be who you want to be…"
"It doesn't matter who you are. It doesn't matter where you come from. For in my house we are all free…"
"One Nation. God's children. Coming together in the spirit of house…"
Pretty sure all those lyrics are from a "real" house record.
And I'm pretty sure the second verse didn't mention SHM, Joel or anyone else being omitted from the list. So suck my dick.
Surely that's the ulimate face palm? Having your entire argument blown out of the water by your own music? lol


touch
Birgit Gondal
28.11.2012
tony dee got involvd with funkagenda on twitter as well, believe funkagenda shut him up with this...


"House is a feeling, and when you feel it you will understand that house music is freedom. Freedom to be who you want to be…"
"It doesn't matter who you are. It doesn't matter where you come from. For in my house we are all free…"
"One Nation. God's children. Coming together in the spirit of house…"
Pretty sure all those lyrics are from a "real" house record.
And I'm pretty sure the second verse didn't mention SHM, Joel or anyone else being omitted from the list. So suck my dick.
Surely that's the ulimate face palm? Having your entire argument blown out of the water by your own music? lol


touch
Myles Hasken
28.11.2012
Does anyone else really like this guy? I listened to his early stuff and thought it was different but to be honest his shit now is so stale and boring. If it's what you're into, get after it. I believe this guy is a piece of shit and is as overrated as they come.
Margie Pavell
28.11.2012
I thought Dave Clarke shut him up...apparently not...

I have a theory that Mr. Mau5 is a failed DJ...
Alla Bluemke
28.11.2012
totally agree. He should really just shut his mouth now....
Romelia Stankard
28.11.2012
The sneak stuff was entertaining a several months ago but it is getting kind of pathetic.
Rochel Papillion
28.11.2012
Originally Posted by Era 7
Funkagenda:



DJ Sneak's reaction:



this stuff is hilarious.
@Funkagenda my shit is better than most of you all put together. fuck a chart. make something people will appreciate in 25 years from now.
beat me to it lol fuckin damn it lol
Tesha Freudenstein
28.11.2012
Funkagenda:

‎"My music is real house! Your music isn't real house! My dad could beat up your dad! My mum is better than your mum!" Grow the fuck up.
DJ Sneak's reaction:

my shit is better than most of you all put together. fuck a chart. make something people will appreciate in 25 years from now.
this stuff is hilarious.
Romelia Stankard
28.11.2012
Originally Posted by keithace
please!!!
he really doesn't need any more free PR and it's the same shit every time

Nobody with any sense cares what he believes.
Margie Pavell
28.11.2012
Originally Posted by xonetacular
can we ban deadmau5 threads?
please!!!
Margie Pavell
28.11.2012
There are two ways to be an honest person life. One way is with tact and humility. The second way will get you punched in the mouth. Mr. Mau5 chose to do it the second way with the wrong person.

(Just because you are being honest it doesn't make you right...you are only being honest as far as YOU'RE concerned)
Rochel Papillion
28.11.2012
they are going at it on twitter...technology lol
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Valeri Holderness
28.11.2012
keep in mind deadmau5 never grew up in the club culture that most djs did (including the djs on this community that gig regularly). he didn't start off djing at clubs, becoming part of a community of djs, having attachments to particular venues, etc. Quite frankly, although some of things he's said I agree with, he doesn't get djing. he doesn't understand nor care for what it takes to become a qbert, z-trip or hawtin. sure there are guys who just "string together" tunes, but there is also such a huge artistic side to djing that he doesn't acknowledge.

on a side note, apparently he makes onesies now.
deadmau5 onesie.jpg

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