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where is the build up of a song? Posted on: 02.12.2012 by Jolynn Schroyer I have traktor pro 2 software. I enabled the setting that tells me numbers above each track. forgot the name of the setting. I still not sure where the build up is and when to bring in the next track and when I do they clash or sound terrible even with sync enabled. My mixes are quite boring since I can't find certain spots. Even with the number bar showing how many bpms and bars. Are every track put at the same spot by numbers? like build up is always at 8 bars every track or is that something I need to know by the change is sound?
Mistie Brenneise 04.12.2012	There are one of two explanations for this thread: 1. OP is a robot and cannot "feel" music. Therefore, the robot must determine what a buildup is through information that it can process: waveforms, frequencies, beats, and amount of arm flailing in the crowd. Nice try, robot. The humans are onto you. 2. OP is Paris Hilton.
Rana Rigling 04.12.2012	Originally Posted by dj matt blaze ...i no longer want to listen to music or be creative with my mixes, i want to mix by numbers......shm ftfy
Yong Aptekar 04.12.2012	I can't see the waveforms, can someone please help me figure out where the bass part is? I can't see the song, so I'm not sure where the boom is. /sarcasm
Shayne Kohtz 04.12.2012	Maths > Talent.
Will Spinello 04.12.2012	Originally Posted by protocollie back in my day we had nothing more than a pair of belt drives and a dream and we had to figure out phrasing and beatmatching ourselves, uphill both ways! Ah, Belt drives. Nothing like learning to mix on a crappy pair of belt drives. If you can mix on those you can mix on anything. Kids today, wanting to mix on nothing but a few 'numbers at the top'...Eee, I don't know.... don't know they're born, kids today....
Laurence Calisto 04.12.2012	Originally Posted by P4ULSON alright im not gonna sit here and teach you music theory.... but hope this helps man we should all try to be proactive instead of reactive and stop trollin...... alright enough with the rant most western music in 4/4 timing is phrased in 32 beats. set the loop in traktor for 32 beats at the start of the very first down beat of the song. you should see at the end of the loop something changes in the wave. well every 32 beats there is a change. after understanding that you can choose where to mix in and out of. when people say mix intro's over outro's they mean mix the last 32 beats of the song that is currently playing to the first 32 beats of the song you want to bring in. keep in mind some pop music and hip hop use 16 beats or 8 beats just depends but most electronic music will be the same. look at you being all helpful back in my day we had nothing more than a pair of belt drives and a dream and we had to figure out phrasing and beatmatching ourselves, uphill both ways!
Arnulfo Morten 04.12.2012	alright im not gonna sit here and teach you music theory.... but hope this helps man we should all try to be proactive instead of reactive and stop trollin...... alright enough with the rant most western music in 4/4 timing is phrased in 32 beats. set the loop in traktor for 32 beats at the start of the very first down beat of the song. you should see at the end of the loop something changes in the wave. well every 32 beats there is a change. after understanding that you can choose where to mix in and out of. when people say mix intro's over outro's they mean mix the last 32 beats of the song that is currently playing to the first 32 beats of the song you want to bring in. keep in mind some pop music and hip hop use 16 beats or 8 beats just depends but most electronic music will be the same.
Laurence Calisto 03.12.2012	Originally Posted by bluegrassdj god i hope so because there is literally no way this person can be serious without the world teetering on the brink of imploding in upon itself like there's not a single post the guy has made that hasn't completely twisted my head when i try and make sense of it in the context of the thread.
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Emerson Crist 03.12.2012	Originally Posted by Shishdisma Because most of the time, phrases longer than a minute are extremely boring. People want to dance, not stand there in awe of your 12 minute soundscape. Are you really bashing on "repetitive music that goes on for 3 min without much change"? Do you even realize where the roots of most of the nu-edm comes from? I agree with the current state of tracks now, way to busy to have any decent mixing or layering without having to just slam over to another cheese-filled, 4 minute banger with a drop or snare roll every 45 seconds.
Roseanna Signorini 03.12.2012	Coming from an old skool DJ tht has fully embraced the digital world and now uses a controller....I too would like to know the magic # that every track must have that tells me exactly where the intro, build up, break down and outro is...this thread is making my ears bleed and I no longer want to listen to music or be creative with my mixes, I want to mix by numbers......SMH
Wilbert Kulczak 03.12.2012	Originally Posted by DubluW I like the way this thread just went from an intro, build up and even a few breakdowns..... Seems like this gem might have been overlooked, best post thus far hahaha.
Mellisa Calenda 03.12.2012	What is this magical setting that shows numbers?
Julissa Serrone 03.12.2012	Originally Posted by hola amigos then the breakdown is where all the people start flailing arms. 10
Lillia Datson 03.12.2012	I like the way this thread just went from an intro, build up and even a few breakdowns.....
Mackenzie Weersing 03.12.2012	Originally Posted by Shishdisma Because most of the time, phrases longer than a minute are extremely boring. People want to dance, not stand there in awe of your 12 minute soundscape. Listen to some techno or if you want something more mainstream, deep house and stuff. We aren't talking a 12 minute atmos only section, but just a few minutes of nice constant groove, some variation within it, but nothing that is so incredibly stop and go.
Alyce Southey 03.12.2012	Originally Posted by hola amigos I want to know the number. The intro is the beginning of the song sometimes with vocals. Starts out flat waveform ------ then the buildup starts changing in the waveform ((((((( then the breakdown is where all the people start flailing arms. But at which point of the buildup do I mix into another breakdown? But i'll just watch youtube videos. Better place for hands on learning. you got it kinda backwards i believe. usually easiest to mix in new tracks intro/build on the playing tracks breakdown. something as simple as setting the loop size to 32 and scrolling through the track, you can tell where changes come in and if its a song made structurally, with a certian amount of bars for each part. then you can use that to help mix in another song. say even set a cue point where there is going to be a 32 bar stretch of a breakdown, or nonheavy bass section and you can then start the intro/build of you new track that has a 32bar intro, when you reach your cue and knowing that when your 32bars on track A finishes you be hitting the drop section of your new track.( where youll most likely mixout track out when hitting the drop of your new one)
Nancey Inderlied 03.12.2012	Originally Posted by ksandvik I still don't get it why some new EDM tracks have breakdowns/buildups every minute or so. Kind of like stop-and-go in traffic and there's less musical material on the track and more effects. But hey it's like sugar, put it everywhere so it sounds sweet. Because most of the time, phrases longer than a minute are extremely boring. People want to dance, not stand there in awe of your 12 minute soundscape.
Shayne Kohtz 03.12.2012	Originally Posted by ksandvik I still don't get it why some new EDM tracks have breakdowns/buildups every minute or so. Kind of like stop-and-go in traffic and there's less musical material on the track and more effects. Totally agree. Some of the shit out now there's nothing but build-ups & "drops". No time to actually settle into the groove of the tune. I'm all about old school 12 minute techno/house tracks with no real breakdowns or drops, just constant good music.
Celine Surico 03.12.2012	As a producer I'm no fan of all these breakdowns, intro/outros et rest. By know I would believe any DJ with any kinds of skills could build a mix from any track with any means possible using all the cool tools available, filters, loops et rest. Anyway, as a boring standard practice I do a 16 bar intro, 8 or 16 bars of less dynamics (usually less or no drums), then a longer section with the interesting part and around 4+ minutes or so a breakdown for any DJs to mix out and then have more stuff at the end for those who want a drum-centric mix-over. I suspect many do the same kind of pattern, you could easily learn those from just looking at various dance tracks in a DAW or somewhere where you could see the bars after adjusting the BPM for the track. I still don't get it why some new EDM tracks have breakdowns/buildups every minute or so. Kind of like stop-and-go in traffic and there's less musical material on the track and more effects. But hey it's like sugar, put it everywhere so it sounds sweet.
Yong Aptekar 03.12.2012	Every track is different bro. Some have 16 bar intros, some have 32, some have 64. The same goes for buildups, breakdowns, outros etc. The only way you are going to know when to drop in the next track is by knowing your tracks inside and out, and practicing. Over and over and over
Carlee Pickard 03.12.2012	Originally Posted by hola amigos I want to know the number. The intro is the beginning of the song sometimes with vocals. Starts out flat waveform ------ then the buildup starts changing in the waveform ((((((( then the breakdown is where all the people start flailing arms. But at which point of the buildup do I mix into another breakdown? But i'll just watch youtube videos. Better place for hands on learning. It's all by sound man, the sound of the track - that's how you know. But even if you look at the waveforms I mean I have to use the word build up to show you that it's the build up because that's the only way you can tell. You can literally see it building up from a smaller wave form.
Evia Nitch 03.12.2012	...so it blends smoothly into a nice solid mix. I don't need to be a top international dj like skrillex. Hahaha, even your role model selection is off! Krillex never mixed a track in his life!
Jolynn Schroyer 03.12.2012	Originally Posted by Coldfuzion Wow, how do you say that and at the beginning of the thread literally ask what a build up is? And an S2 is a PERFECT place to start at such a low price point. Anyway i'm glad that a few people replied to your original post and tried to help. I couldn't believe the post :\|. I want to know the number. The intro is the beginning of the song sometimes with vocals. Starts out flat waveform ------ then the buildup starts changing in the waveform ((((((( then the breakdown is where all the people start flailing arms. But at which point of the buildup do I mix into another breakdown? But i'll just watch youtube videos. Better place for hands on learning.
Margie Pavell 03.12.2012	Originally Posted by Gallorance This guy is joking right? How does anyone in this community not know what a build up is? How about a drop? A breakdown? If you know what these things are then why don't you know what a build up is!? Whats a drop?
Yong Aptekar 03.12.2012	Originally Posted by Ed Paris ... please don
Matt Kane 03.12.2012	Originally Posted by Gallorance This guy is joking right? How does anyone in this community not know what a build up is? How about a drop? A breakdown? If you know what these things are then why don't you know what a build up is!? we all started somewhere and a community might be the best place to get to start/ask and learn. give him time and help him out, but please don
Pasty Vancor 04.12.2012	This guy is joking right? How does anyone in this community not know what a build up is? How about a drop? A breakdown? If you know what these things are then why don't you know what a build up is!?
Alyce Southey 04.12.2012	i know that post confused me aswell... the way its worded its total opposite of his first post. its like he is answering himself. but hey, making fun of someone isnt going to help anyone. we all have dumb questions at some point. as some said look on youtube for like a 10min mix someone did, usually has tracklist as well. Download the tracks, and follow along recreating that mix to get a hang of ideas for mixing.
Carlee Pickard 03.12.2012	Originally Posted by hola amigos Song selection is a key factor but if you can't beat match or phrase correctly then thats where you need to work on. Even though I don't know song structure & musical theory and still get 500+ plays on tracks and multiple downloads shows me people take the time sit down and enjoy the track selection. I just need to learn phrasing so it blends smoothly into a nice solid mix. I don't need to be a top international dj like skrillex. As long as "I" enjoy the mixes then I will be happy and so far I don't enjoy the mixes so I ask questions on the build up and breakdown so I can improve personally. I did have a controller the kontrol s2 was my first controller. But I wan't a more sturdy metal type of mixer so I returned the kontrol s2 and headphones and just and got my cash back so I can buy a more quality mixer. Wow, how do you say that and at the beginning of the thread literally ask what a build up is? And an S2 is a PERFECT place to start at such a low price point. Anyway i'm glad that a few people replied to your original post and tried to help. I couldn't believe the post :\|.
Lourie Gulston 03.12.2012	I just got back from the doctor's office. He confirmed my fears; this post gave me cancer. You should take a solid amount of time and step back, listen to lots of music, listen to other people's mixes, and work on grasping the main concepts. Most people who don't DJ can still understand where a buildup in a song is. It's not that hard. As for spending $200 on headphones; that is simply unnecessary, especially since you have no gear to use them with. I got a pair of Sennheiser 280HD-Pros for $90 over a year ago, and have played dozens of gigs with them since, with no problems. Spending an assload of money on headphones will not help you be a better DJ.
Yong Aptekar 03.12.2012	Stay away from FX, stay away for EQs even. Worry about making track A flow seamlessly into track B. Get some headphones, get yourself a cheap controller, and just work on basic A-B mixing for the next month. Listen to your tracks, listen to them again, then play them backwards, and then play them forwards. If you have a patch that will play them sideways, try that too. Don't worry about gigs, or parties, or anything infront of anyone but your dog, your stuffed animals and maybe one friend who will be brutally honest and tell you that your mix blows. Once you can beatmatch without using sync, echo, delay or any other button, then believe about playing a houseparty for your closest friends, and don't get pissy when they boo at your for trainwrecking. These are all lessons we have/had to learn, easy or hard, you will have to learn them too. Stay away from the fx and listen to your tracks.
Shayne Kohtz 03.12.2012	Originally Posted by hola amigos Yeah when i get my first paycheck i'll probably buy some headphones but they are like 200.00 bucks for the one I like. You don't own headphones at all & you're going to drop 200 quid on them? Why don't you just go out today & buy a
Era Roka 03.12.2012	it kinda sounds like you do actually want this, hmmm.... like i said earlyer youtube is a very good source for tut's, like this one:
Latoria Kavulich 02.12.2012	yeah. its not a maths test mate.
Audrey Pinda 02.12.2012	This hurts my soul.
Mistie Brenneise 02.12.2012	Most entertaining thread in a long while. Thanks for the chuckles.
Addie Engbrecht 02.12.2012	the more you practice and experiment too, the more song structure makes sense and stuff like that makes sense to you. keep on keeping on
Jolynn Schroyer 02.12.2012	Originally Posted by AllDay I just dont even know. Only reason I started djing is because my friends said I had an abnormally good song selection for just a regular listener of electronic music, so I started to delve into it more about 3 years ago. Op sounds like he wants to mix to be famous. Not because he is passionate. Passion would come from knowing the songs he is trying to mix in and not having 200 + posts yet still asking how to mix in... without a mixer or controller lol Song selection is a key factor but if you can't beat match or phrase correctly then thats where you need to work on. Even though I don't know song structure & musical theory and still get 500+ plays on tracks and multiple downloads shows me people take the time sit down and enjoy the track selection. I just need to learn phrasing so it blends smoothly into a nice solid mix. I don't need to be a top international dj like skrillex. As long as "I" enjoy the mixes then I will be happy and so far I don't enjoy the mixes so I ask questions on the build up and breakdown so I can improve personally. I did have a controller the kontrol s2 was my first controller. But I wan't a more sturdy metal type of mixer so I returned the kontrol s2 and headphones and just and got my cash back so I can buy a more quality mixer.
Julissa Serrone 02.12.2012	Originally Posted by dj matt blaze Seriously?? I mean...seriously??? This can't be for real.... +1 ???

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