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Practice Sets?
Posted on: 17.11.2012 by Narcisa Czyzewicz
I am guessing this has been asked/answered before, but I am having a hard time confirming such -

I am wondering about good "practice sets" - I can find a lot of good information on the importance of practice, how to practice, techniques, etc. But no practice set lists to work from!

I recognize that an very important part of DJing is song selection, but that is just one skill that actually needs to build as a set with the technical tools, so having a prebuilt setlist from a knoweldgable DJ to practice other skills would help understand how songs work together, and then thus build the song selection skill?

I guess I am looking for a bit of a kickstart tool - do any such lists exist? Or would experienced DJs here be willing to contribute such?

I would also see it as valuable if there were some sets that were all freely avaliable tunes (free demos/soundcloud/etc) as well as purchasable tune lists. (myself, I would probably take advantage of both)
Syreeta Piela
08.12.2012
Do people nowdays decide to become a DJ then pick a genre?

For me it was the other way round.. Mad about house for years, knew all the producers I was into.. Built up a collection of tracks.. Started to DJ.. Learnt to mix through trial and error.. Leart what sounds good..

Now DJ'ing is like second nature..

My advice - Learn your music, love your music and find your own style through trial and error.

A set list wont help, you'll get used to mixing those tracks in that order and in a specific way and probably start flapping if you tried to deviate. Good luck
Brunilda Kora
08.12.2012
You can make your own practice sets. MiK your tracks, and plan out a 10 track mix based on the key. Map out how the set will progress based on the key of the tracks.
Judi Sissel
08.12.2012
Originally Posted by drmore
@keithace
I dont have time to sit and key every track I own. I use all the tools available to me to get the job done. I then leave said job with a pocket full of cash and a evening club full of happy punters wanting more.

I feel sorry for you coz you clearly have fuck all better to do other than trolling internet community s putting down people that are trying to help others.
Oh the irony. Subjective matter is subjective...
Tawna Ulmen
08.12.2012
@keithace
I dont have time to sit and key every track I own. I use all the tools available to me to get the job done. I then leave said job with a pocket full of cash and a evening club full of happy punters wanting more.

I feel sorry for you coz you clearly have fuck all better to do other than trolling internet community s putting down people that are trying to help others.
Roseanna Signorini
24.11.2012
Originally Posted by keithace
The OP doesn't have 10000 tracks...

I feel sorry for you if you are lost without being able to sort by key. I've been playing a long time. "What key is this track in" isn't even in my thought process, never was.

Your ear will tell you whats best. Not some piece of software.
I have to agree. Coming from someone who also has been playing a long time, I would never even consider using MIK. I can't imagine hindering myself to saying well I can't mix this with this because the keys don't match so I have to mix this first and then I can mix this. 2 tracks in the same key can still sound like crap in the same way 2 tracks in diffferent keys can sound like crap. I can see it being used as another tool and if some people feel it enhances their set to each his own but to ONLY mix in key is a little OCD IMO.

Grab your favorite tracks in the same genre, close in tempo, and practice mixing. Thats it. Every single song in your chosen genre can be used to practice.
Latoria Kavulich
24.11.2012
Give the guys some constructive advice or don't post. Alternatively, i can arrange for that for you.
Judi Sissel
24.11.2012
^^^



OP: Best advice I got off this community is practice everyday and record everything. Listen to it, fix what YOU believe is wrong with it. Research, rinse, and repeat.
Margie Pavell
24.11.2012
"play me something that makes my teeth hurt"
Cole Maroto
24.11.2012
Originally Posted by keithace
aaaah...i see the confusion now...I should have dropped "worrying about" after "stop"...

Unless I did want him to find two tracks that have no business going together and make them go together...
Lol, I can see you rubbing your hands together in a diabolical fashion....good, good, mix all the dissonance things...
Margie Pavell
24.11.2012
aaaah...i see the confusion now...I should have dropped "worrying about" after "stop"...

Unless I did want him to find two tracks that have no business going together and make them go together...
Cole Maroto
24.11.2012
Originally Posted by keithace
The OP is just begining and should not worry about what key tracks are in.
i agree to some extent, i believe maybe i'm just misunderstanding your original sentence since there was no clarification. when i hear someone say
first..stop mixing shit in key....
what can be inferred is "it's ok to mix dissonant songs together." i don't believe op or anyone should necessarily get hung up on a camelot wheel number to make all of the song selections, but instead should be using their ears to make sure things aren't dissonant and are sounding good. like most tools it can be used to various extents and has a rate of error.

i personally use mik because i have quite a lot of tracks and narrowing down can be helpful, but i don't always follow it if i believe a song with a non matching code will fit better.
Margie Pavell
24.11.2012
Originally Posted by squidot
i disagree. you should be mixing in key, or at the very least, mixing things that aren't causing dissonance. for certain more atonal genres it really doesn't matter that much. or in areas where there are no melodies, though if you have an out of key melody come in immediately after your first track's melody stops, it will likely still sound odd to people who are paying attention.

also, it's not really a bad thing to be limiting the number of songs to be played into another song. key is just one narrowing factor along with several others. i do however feel like you shouldn't put all of your faith into a key tagging software, especially if you don't have enough tracks to pick from. at the end of the day your ear should be the best judge and in charge of making sure your mixes are in key.
The OP is just begining and should not worry about what key tracks are in.
Margie Pavell
24.11.2012
Originally Posted by drmore
Nothing wrong with using the key of a track to find tunes that fit nicely. I have over 10000 tunes on my harddrive. I use the genre & key to narrow down my choice. i.e my house/electro selection has over 3000 tunes, any given key will have 100+ tracks I can chose from. At the end of the day I still have to chose witch of those 100 track to play but I would be totally lost without being able to sort by genre and key.
The OP doesn't have 10000 tracks...

I feel sorry for you if you are lost without being able to sort by key. I've been playing a long time. "What key is this track in" isn't even in my thought process, never was.

Your ear will tell you whats best. Not some piece of software.
Brunilda Kora
24.11.2012
Also - limitations are restrictions should be IGNORED when choosing a name, DJ BOB.
Linda Chavda
24.11.2012
Originally Posted by DJ Bob
This isn't true. Limitations and restrictions are a very important part of the creative process.
I'm looking forward to seeing your amazing work.
Teresia Janusch
24.11.2012
when i was still kinda learning to beat match, its important i mention that 13 years ago i was playing trance and hard dance, i went out an dug through a few bargain bins at a local record shop and bought some uk garage music and dnb...with the soul purpose of training my ears so when i went back to my normal music my beat matching was way tighter.

i also ended up liking dnb too lol. now i play house, but the skills are totally transferable.
Amira Gotcher
24.11.2012
Originally Posted by elliot1106
Creativity is spurred from doing your own thing not strict regulations.
This isn't true. Limitations and restrictions are a very important part of the creative process.
Cole Maroto
23.11.2012
Originally Posted by keithace
first..stop mixing shit in key....you are limiting yourself before you even start...
i disagree. you should be mixing in key, or at the very least, mixing things that aren't causing dissonance. for certain more atonal genres it really doesn't matter that much. or in areas where there are no melodies, though if you have an out of key melody come in immediately after your first track's melody stops, it will likely still sound odd to people who are paying attention.

also, it's not really a bad thing to be limiting the number of songs to be played into another song. key is just one narrowing factor along with several others. i do however feel like you shouldn't put all of your faith into a key tagging software, especially if you don't have enough tracks to pick from. at the end of the day your ear should be the best judge and in charge of making sure your mixes are in key.
Tawna Ulmen
23.11.2012
Originally Posted by keithace
first..stop mixing shit in key....you are limiting yourself before you even start...
Nothing wrong with using the key of a track to find tunes that fit nicely. I have over 10000 tunes on my harddrive. I use the genre & key to narrow down my choice. i.e my house/electro selection has over 3000 tunes, any given key will have 100+ tracks I can chose from. At the end of the day I still have to chose witch of those 100 track to play but I would be totally lost without being able to sort by genre and key.
Tawna Ulmen
23.11.2012
Some people on these community s are dicks, i wont mention any names coz you know who you are!

I remember being overwhelmed and have no idea where to start.

The loop masters djmixtools series is a good place to start if your into production and dj'ing. They are pre mastered stems of original tracks that you can cut/edit to your hearts desire.

Also check out dj tutor (ellaskins) on youtube. The guy in mad and the tutorials are more about dj'ing with cds & vinyl but the principals are the same and the skills transferable into the digital world.

Theres also shit loads of tutorials on production on youtube. Check out people like ill.gates and vespers. Those guys are putting out vids on how to transform your studio productions into live performances.

One important point to make is that there are no real shortcuts. Getting good requires a fuck load of time and practice. Its been 17 years since I got my first KAM belt drive turntables. I try and practice for a minium of an hour each day and Im still hunting and discovering new music.
Narcisa Czyzewicz
23.11.2012
Originally Posted by Nicky H
Also djtt has run a few comps in the past - look through the main blog and you'll find a few vids to check out.
Yeah, I have been through a couple of the past comps and their soundpacks.. definitely useful on learning. Thanks.
Narcisa Czyzewicz
23.11.2012
Originally Posted by P4ULSON
Paralyzed muscle memory? wtf are you smoking bro... p90x? insanity? your from Jersey right? this is a dj community stop taking steroids and hanging out with Pauly D and mix more... btw i love your mix.... you know the one with taylor swift as the opening banger
OMG I almost peed myself when I read this.. and for the record, I am from Jersey..
Roseanna Signorini
22.11.2012
Originally Posted by P4ULSON
Paralyzed muscle memory? wtf are you smoking bro... p90x? insanity? your from Jersey right? this is a dj community stop taking steroids and hanging out with Pauly D and mix more... btw i love your mix.... you know the one with taylor swift as the opening banger
If you're going to call me out at least have something online yourself or are you to scared to be heard? I couldn't give a rats ass what any bedroom DJ that has nothing to show and never played a gig beyond the 4 walls of their bedroom believes of my choice of genre or my mix. Anytime you want to go head to head with a mix, you can send me a track list and we can do that.
Arnulfo Morten
22.11.2012
sorry your right Nicky H... @docfish here man this is my old set. It has diffrent bpm and diffrent genres and diffrent keys can't wait to hear what you can do with it. good luck Practice and enjoy. btw on a personal note i believe your off to a great start to being a Dj attitude and class is the most important aspect. I'm still working on being more proactive instead of reactive.

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4. Albin Myers - Hells Bells (Original Mix)
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12. Martin Solveig - The Night Out (A-Track Remix)
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15. Kenneth G - Bazinga (Original Mix)
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Janyce Henningson
22.11.2012
Ok enough with the muscle bustle bollox

op - I believe you are more interested in the controllerist side rather than traditional long mix style dj'ing, correct?

These sets are hard to find on sites like mixcloud / soundcloud.
tbh I don't see that many on here either, which is weird - your best bet is youtube.
pm some of the people who's sets you like saying you admire their style and are starting to learn yourself and could they share the tracklist so you can practice.

Also djtt has run a few comps in the past - look through the main blog and you'll find a few vids to check out.
Arnulfo Morten
22.11.2012
Originally Posted by dj matt blaze
Thats not what muscle memory is. In fact thats impossible. Training and practice is to train your brain to react to something making it 2nd nature. Your brain will process faster because it used to the action you practiced. Its all mental. To suggest that your muscle somehow develops a memory by doing something over and over again and will process before your brain is rediculous. Its like saying a 30 yo wouldn't be paralyzed from the waist down from a spinal chord injury because his legs spent 30 years walking and developed a memory and doesn't need the brain for the motion of walking.

Muscle memory refers to the building up of a muscle to the point where the muscle won't grow any bigger thus developing a kind of "memory". If you lift a 30lb weight every day, doing 10 reps, the first day it may be hard, each day it will get easier and easier because your muscle will build up. Eventually your muscle is used to that 30lb weight and plateaus developing a memory and won't get any bigger so you have to move to a bigger weight. Ther are several new types of workouts, p90X, Insanity, etc. that use muscle memory to build up quickly because these workouts are designed so your muscles never develop a memory by switching up the workout to use those muscles differently enabling a person to go from flab to insanely ripped in 90 days. That is what muscle memory is.
Paralyzed muscle memory? wtf are you smoking bro... p90x? insanity? your from Jersey right? this is a dj community stop taking steroids and hanging out with Pauly D and mix more... btw i love your mix.... you know the one with taylor swift as the opening banger
Arnulfo Morten
22.11.2012
Originally Posted by DocFish
Actually, it is exactly what the term "Muscle Memory" was first used to describe - not a literal memory in the muscles, but rather specific brain pathways and memorized nuron firing patterns built over many repetitions of the same action.
(first two google hits)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_memory
http://lifehacker.com/5799234/how-mu...s-your-success


Sure, there are google hits for this too - the third hit is one - but of course that is because it is an overused and completely unscientific advertising gimick used by hucksters selling exercise videos. Worse than that, your description dosnt even match what that advertising hype claims (of course at some point you have to lift more than 30 lbs for more strength increase - it only takes so much strength to lift 30 lbs..)

The phenomenon of Muscle Memory is key to improvement of ANY physical activity, and is exactly why practice is so important.
damn your are very educated man!!!! i wasn't even gonna waste the effort to argue with that guy lol.... I play classical violin and woodwinds in the philharmonic and have had the privilege of sitting in with some amazing turntablist when i'm not djing... trust it's all about muscle memory
Tamela Batara
22.11.2012
Have a look at ellaskins channel on youtube. There is a lot of gear review, and stuff that isn't really Dj-ing technique, but there is lots of that too. It will give you an idea of the basics of mixing, and some tricks and tips. Be warned though, there are over 3000 videos, so will take a bit of filtering.

Then just practice the techniques. He usually lists tracks used in his demonstrations, so you can practice on the specific tracks he uses too.

There is no substitution for practice, so its a case of putting the hours in.

Then you can start to build a collection of tunes you like, and transfer your skills to mixing them. As others have suggested, have a look on mixcloud to see what others are doing. Try to find the accounts of people whos work you like, and listen closely to what they are doing. If they have youtube channels, even better. Its good too actually see what they are doing, to try to understand. Of course, things like cue points and hot cues will all be personally developed, so you will have to work on figuring out where best to set a track up for what you want to achieve.

Good luck. It should be much easier now to learn all this stuff than when I started out due to the likes of youtube and mixcloud, and the interweb in general.
Narcisa Czyzewicz
22.11.2012
Originally Posted by keithace
first..stop mixing shit in key....you are limiting yourself before you even start...

what DJs do you like? what sets have you heard that you like?

When i was a baby house DJ i would find DJ sets i liked...buy a couple of the records and try to do what they did...no harm in that, track selection comes later...learn the HOW first...
I am not mixing in key.. still learning the whole gig at all, and was just looking to get some tools for developing the technical chops, and mostly for Sample Flip/Performance/Production use - perhaps for some djing too, but as I mentioned in an earlier post, that is one side of the spectrum and I was coming from the other.

As for DJs I like, I am actually interested in the "controllerist" types - Ean Golden, Moldover, Mad Zach

Here is a great example of ALMOST what I was believeing - and of course, combined with Ean's other tutorials, makes up exactly a great techichal workout..
http://www.djranking s.com/2010/07/08/ean-golden-dj-mix
Narcisa Czyzewicz
22.11.2012
Originally Posted by dj matt blaze
Thats not what muscle memory is.
Actually, it is exactly what the term "Muscle Memory" was first used to describe - not a literal memory in the muscles, but rather specific brain pathways and memorized nuron firing patterns built over many repetitions of the same action.
(first two google hits)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_memory
http://lifehacker.com/5799234/how-mu...s-your-success

Originally Posted by dj matt blaze
Muscle memory refers to the building up of a muscle to the point where the muscle won't grow any bigger thus developing a kind of "memory".
Sure, there are google hits for this too - the third hit is one - but of course that is because it is an overused and completely unscientific advertising gimick used by hucksters selling exercise videos. Worse than that, your description dosnt even match what that advertising hype claims (of course at some point you have to lift more than 30 lbs for more strength increase - it only takes so much strength to lift 30 lbs..)

The phenomenon of Muscle Memory is key to improvement of ANY physical activity, and is exactly why practice is so important.
Margie Pavell
21.11.2012
first..stop mixing shit in key....you are limiting yourself before you even start...

what DJs do you like? what sets have you heard that you like?

When i was a baby house DJ i would find DJ sets i liked...buy a couple of the records and try to do what they did...no harm in that, track selection comes later...learn the HOW first...
Roseanna Signorini
21.11.2012
Thats not what muscle memory is. In fact thats impossible. Training and practice is to train your brain to react to something making it 2nd nature. Your brain will process faster because it used to the action you practiced. Its all mental. To suggest that your muscle somehow develops a memory by doing something over and over again and will process before your brain is rediculous. Its like saying a 30 yo wouldn't be paralyzed from the waist down from a spinal chord injury because his legs spent 30 years walking and developed a memory and doesn't need the brain for the motion of walking.

Muscle memory refers to the building up of a muscle to the point where the muscle won't grow any bigger thus developing a kind of "memory". If you lift a 30lb weight every day, doing 10 reps, the first day it may be hard, each day it will get easier and easier because your muscle will build up. Eventually your muscle is used to that 30lb weight and plateaus developing a memory and won't get any bigger so you have to move to a bigger weight. Ther are several new types of workouts, p90X, Insanity, etc. that use muscle memory to build up quickly because these workouts are designed so your muscles never develop a memory by switching up the workout to use those muscles differently enabling a person to go from flab to insanely ripped in 90 days. That is what muscle memory is.
Arnulfo Morten
19.11.2012
Originally Posted by dj matt blaze
seriously? exercise those muscles? If this is your approach to DJing, then I believe you should take up a different hobby because you clearly don't get it and you certainly can't feel the music....

um actually when you get good at djing all the movements and adjustments are second nature... and it does have to with muscle memory.... your brain processes the adjustment so fast that it can't tell your muscles to react fast enough so muscle memory solves that. it like flips a switch and everything is automated vs flipping like 9 switches 1 by 1 to do the same thing. Ask any good Turntablist it's all about muscle memory Practice and Enjoy
Jodi Bookout
19.11.2012
Here is a set I tampered with for a while. There is a lot of improvement to go along with it even switching out for better songs isn't a bad idea. But the songs all match in key pretty well from song to song, if you were to reorder it you may have some mismatches. But you can look all over Mixcloud and people have the tracks time stamped in the song which makes it even easier. Hope this helps.

Click here to see it on Mixcloud



I tried to embed it but aparently I fail at it so here is the link:

http://www.mixcloud.com/jh822/i-got-...u-what-i-feel/
Roseanna Signorini
19.11.2012
Originally Posted by DocFish
yes exactly.. as has been said here several times, music selection is a key part of the process, and cant be taught through examples. however, how to transition, including controllerisim elements, etc, can be learned and practiced - if you have some preselected tunes that have worked well for these exercises, then it makes it a little easier to exercise those muscles specifically, knowing that the selection provided a good match, and hopefully an example to reach for in the practice. Once you attain the level that you can duplicate what was done by another, you can then try to personalize it.. THEN use that built skill against your OWN playlist and build your own completely unique set.
seriously? exercise those muscles? If this is your approach to DJing, then I believe you should take up a different hobby because you clearly don't get it and you certainly can't feel the music....
Narcisa Czyzewicz
19.11.2012
Originally Posted by shr3dder

So you just want to 'Technically' recreate another set?
yes exactly.. as has been said here several times, music selection is a key part of the process, and cant be taught through examples. however, how to transition, including controllerisim elements, etc, can be learned and practiced - if you have some preselected tunes that have worked well for these exercises, then it makes it a little easier to exercise those muscles specifically, knowing that the selection provided a good match, and hopefully an example to reach for in the practice. Once you attain the level that you can duplicate what was done by another, you can then try to personalize it.. THEN use that built skill against your OWN playlist and build your own completely unique set.
Ara Tima
19.11.2012
Originally Posted by DocFish

You should probably read a thread, or at least the OP, before posting an answer - this thread was specifically about practicing DJing techniques, not looking for precanned setlists to play out. I wouldnt have even considered using the "practice sets" I was asking about in my own recorded or live mixes, I specifically stated PRACTICE TOOLS.
Hmmm. I did. I just misinterpreted it obviously.

So you just want to 'Technically' recreate another set?
Narcisa Czyzewicz
19.11.2012
Originally Posted by dj matt blaze
I kinda of have to agree about it being a bizarre question. Maybe its just me, but I feel like in this day and age everyone wants exact clear cut instructions on how to do something. Djing is about feeling the music and being creative and that is something that can't be taught. You can practice mixing techniques, chaining different effects, beatmatching etc.
The request was specifically for learning/practicing these techniques, not song selection. Each has its importance and value.

Originally Posted by dj matt blaze
You compared it to flying model airplanes. There is a clearcut way to do a certain manuever and a clearcut way to string along mauevers in a sequence. In DJing there is no clearcut way.
Yeah, see here you are wrong, and in those circles would not have been called bizare - you can string manuvers into countless sequences, many of which are perfectly legit and will look/score well - but each pilot has his own little bit of art to make it look better/harder/cooler/whatever. JUST like in DJing...

Originally Posted by shr3dder
Song selection is subjective and relevant to the crowd in the building at that time, or the audience the DJ is playing too. You're not going to learn much from copying another DJ's set list... Maybe you'll learn to mix in key, or when to drop tunes, but that's not song selection. Nor reading a crowd.

You'll learn more by playing out and emptying a dance floor.

Just my 2c.
You should probably read a thread, or at least the OP, before posting an answer - this thread was specifically about practicing DJing techniques, not looking for precanned setlists to play out. I wouldnt have even considered using the "practice sets" I was asking about in my own recorded or live mixes, I specifically stated PRACTICE TOOLS.
Ara Tima
18.11.2012
Song selection is subjective and relevant to the crowd in the building at that time, or the audience the DJ is playing too. You're not going to learn much from copying another DJ's set list... Maybe you'll learn to mix in key, or when to drop tunes, but that's not song selection. Nor reading a crowd.

You'll learn more by playing out and emptying a dance floor.

Just my 2c.
Roseanna Signorini
18.11.2012
I kinda of have to agree about it being a bizarre question. Maybe its just me, but I feel like in this day and age everyone wants exact clear cut instructions on how to do something. Djing is about feeling the music and being creative and that is something that can't be taught. You can practice mixing techniques, chaining different effects, beatmatching etc. but it all means nothing if you don't actually put it to use and do it yourself and figure out what works and what doesn't with your tracks. You compared it to flying model airplanes. There is a clearcut way to do a certain manuever and a clearcut way to string along mauevers in a sequence. In DJing there is no clearcut way. I can mix the same 2 songs 100 different times and never do it the same way twice. I may have "my way" and someone else has "their way" and neither is right or wrong.

The best way to practice is to start a track with no plan in sight and mix, picking different tracks on the fly and try different things, just experiment and record yourself, then go back and listen to it. As for there being a track list to practice with, it doesn't matter, beacuse you can practice with any tracks, its about what you hear and what moves you.

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