Practice Sets?
Practice Sets? Posted on: 17.11.2012 by Narcisa Czyzewicz I am guessing this has been asked/answered before, but I am having a hard time confirming such - I am wondering about good "practice sets" - I can find a lot of good information on the importance of practice, how to practice, techniques, etc. But no practice set lists to work from! I recognize that an very important part of DJing is song selection, but that is just one skill that actually needs to build as a set with the technical tools, so having a prebuilt setlist from a knoweldgable DJ to practice other skills would help understand how songs work together, and then thus build the song selection skill? I guess I am looking for a bit of a kickstart tool - do any such lists exist? Or would experienced DJs here be willing to contribute such? I would also see it as valuable if there were some sets that were all freely avaliable tunes (free demos/soundcloud/etc) as well as purchasable tune lists. (myself, I would probably take advantage of both) | |
Syreeta Piela 08.12.2012 | Do people nowdays decide to become a DJ then pick a genre? For me it was the other way round.. Mad about house for years, knew all the producers I was into.. Built up a collection of tracks.. Started to DJ.. Learnt to mix through trial and error.. Leart what sounds good.. Now DJ'ing is like second nature.. My advice - Learn your music, love your music and find your own style through trial and error. A set list wont help, you'll get used to mixing those tracks in that order and in a specific way and probably start flapping if you tried to deviate. Good luck |
Brunilda Kora 08.12.2012 | You can make your own practice sets. MiK your tracks, and plan out a 10 track mix based on the key. Map out how the set will progress based on the key of the tracks. |
Judi Sissel 08.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by drmore
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Tawna Ulmen 08.12.2012 | @keithace I dont have time to sit and key every track I own. I use all the tools available to me to get the job done. I then leave said job with a pocket full of cash and a evening club full of happy punters wanting more. I feel sorry for you coz you clearly have fuck all better to do other than trolling internet community s putting down people that are trying to help others. |
Roseanna Signorini 24.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by keithace
Grab your favorite tracks in the same genre, close in tempo, and practice mixing. Thats it. Every single song in your chosen genre can be used to practice. |
Latoria Kavulich 24.11.2012 | Give the guys some constructive advice or don't post. Alternatively, i can arrange for that for you. |
Judi Sissel 24.11.2012 | ^^^ OP: Best advice I got off this community is practice everyday and record everything. Listen to it, fix what YOU believe is wrong with it. Research, rinse, and repeat. |
Margie Pavell 24.11.2012 | "play me something that makes my teeth hurt" |
Cole Maroto 24.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by keithace
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Margie Pavell 24.11.2012 | aaaah...i see the confusion now...I should have dropped "worrying about" after "stop"... Unless I did want him to find two tracks that have no business going together and make them go together... |
Cole Maroto 24.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by keithace
first..stop mixing shit in key....
i personally use mik because i have quite a lot of tracks and narrowing down can be helpful, but i don't always follow it if i believe a song with a non matching code will fit better. |
Margie Pavell 24.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by squidot
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Margie Pavell 24.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by drmore
I feel sorry for you if you are lost without being able to sort by key. I've been playing a long time. "What key is this track in" isn't even in my thought process, never was. Your ear will tell you whats best. Not some piece of software. |
Brunilda Kora 24.11.2012 | Also - limitations are restrictions should be IGNORED when choosing a name, DJ BOB. |
Linda Chavda 24.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by DJ Bob
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Teresia Janusch 24.11.2012 | when i was still kinda learning to beat match, its important i mention that 13 years ago i was playing trance and hard dance, i went out an dug through a few bargain bins at a local record shop and bought some uk garage music and dnb...with the soul purpose of training my ears so when i went back to my normal music my beat matching was way tighter. i also ended up liking dnb too lol. now i play house, but the skills are totally transferable. |
Amira Gotcher 24.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by elliot1106
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Cole Maroto 23.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by keithace
also, it's not really a bad thing to be limiting the number of songs to be played into another song. key is just one narrowing factor along with several others. i do however feel like you shouldn't put all of your faith into a key tagging software, especially if you don't have enough tracks to pick from. at the end of the day your ear should be the best judge and in charge of making sure your mixes are in key. |
Tawna Ulmen 23.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by keithace
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Tawna Ulmen 23.11.2012 | Some people on these community
s are dicks, i wont mention any names coz you know who you are! I remember being overwhelmed and have no idea where to start. The loop masters djmixtools series is a good place to start if your into production and dj'ing. They are pre mastered stems of original tracks that you can cut/edit to your hearts desire. Also check out dj tutor (ellaskins) on youtube. The guy in mad and the tutorials are more about dj'ing with cds & vinyl but the principals are the same and the skills transferable into the digital world. Theres also shit loads of tutorials on production on youtube. Check out people like ill.gates and vespers. Those guys are putting out vids on how to transform your studio productions into live performances. One important point to make is that there are no real shortcuts. Getting good requires a fuck load of time and practice. Its been 17 years since I got my first KAM belt drive turntables. I try and practice for a minium of an hour each day and Im still hunting and discovering new music. |
Narcisa Czyzewicz 23.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by Nicky H
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Narcisa Czyzewicz 23.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by P4ULSON
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Roseanna Signorini 22.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by P4ULSON
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Arnulfo Morten 22.11.2012 | sorry your right Nicky H... @docfish here man this is my old set. It has diffrent bpm and diffrent genres and diffrent keys can't wait to hear what you can do with it. good luck Practice and enjoy. btw on a personal note i believe your off to a great start to being a Dj attitude and class is the most important aspect. I'm still working on being more proactive instead of reactive. 1. Timmy Trumpet & Chardy - Sassafras (Original Mix) 2. Faggot Fairys - Samo Ti (AC Slater Remix) 3. J-Trick & Apocalypto Feat. Treyy G - Redikulous (Original Mix) 4. Albin Myers - Hells Bells (Original Mix) 5. Dubsidia - Kill Humans (Dirtyloud Remix) 6. Bingo Players - L'Amour (Original Mix) 7. Erol Alkan & Boys Noize - Lemonade (original Mix) 8. Alex Sayz - Acid Kills (Original Mix) 9. Nari & Milani - Kendo (Original Mix) 10. Basto - I Rave You (Original Mix) 11. Steve Aoki - Tornado (Original Mix) 12. Martin Solveig - The Night Out (A-Track Remix) 13. Kaskade & Skrillex - Lick It (Original Mix) 14. Revolvr Feat. Sue Cho - Make Me Want More (Original Mix) 15. Kenneth G - Bazinga (Original Mix) 16. Nari & Milani - Atom (Original Mix) |
Janyce Henningson 22.11.2012 | Ok enough with the muscle bustle bollox op - I believe you are more interested in the controllerist side rather than traditional long mix style dj'ing, correct? These sets are hard to find on sites like mixcloud / soundcloud. tbh I don't see that many on here either, which is weird - your best bet is youtube. pm some of the people who's sets you like saying you admire their style and are starting to learn yourself and could they share the tracklist so you can practice. Also djtt has run a few comps in the past - look through the main blog and you'll find a few vids to check out. |
Arnulfo Morten 22.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by dj matt blaze
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Arnulfo Morten 22.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by DocFish
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Tamela Batara 22.11.2012 | Have a look at ellaskins channel on youtube. There is a lot of gear review, and stuff that isn't really Dj-ing technique, but there is lots of that too. It will give you an idea of the basics of mixing, and some tricks and tips. Be warned though, there are over 3000 videos, so will take a bit of filtering. Then just practice the techniques. He usually lists tracks used in his demonstrations, so you can practice on the specific tracks he uses too. There is no substitution for practice, so its a case of putting the hours in. Then you can start to build a collection of tunes you like, and transfer your skills to mixing them. As others have suggested, have a look on mixcloud to see what others are doing. Try to find the accounts of people whos work you like, and listen closely to what they are doing. If they have youtube channels, even better. Its good too actually see what they are doing, to try to understand. Of course, things like cue points and hot cues will all be personally developed, so you will have to work on figuring out where best to set a track up for what you want to achieve. Good luck. It should be much easier now to learn all this stuff than when I started out due to the likes of youtube and mixcloud, and the interweb in general. |
Narcisa Czyzewicz 22.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by keithace
As for DJs I like, I am actually interested in the "controllerist" types - Ean Golden, Moldover, Mad Zach Here is a great example of ALMOST what I was believeing - and of course, combined with Ean's other tutorials, makes up exactly a great techichal workout.. http://www.djranking s.com/2010/07/08/ean-golden-dj-mix |
Narcisa Czyzewicz 22.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by dj matt blaze
(first two google hits) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_memory http://lifehacker.com/5799234/how-mu...s-your-success
Originally Posted by dj matt blaze
The phenomenon of Muscle Memory is key to improvement of ANY physical activity, and is exactly why practice is so important. |
Margie Pavell 21.11.2012 | first..stop mixing shit in key....you are limiting yourself before you even start... what DJs do you like? what sets have you heard that you like? When i was a baby house DJ i would find DJ sets i liked...buy a couple of the records and try to do what they did...no harm in that, track selection comes later...learn the HOW first... |
Roseanna Signorini 21.11.2012 | Thats not what muscle memory is. In fact thats impossible. Training and practice is to train your brain to react to something making it 2nd nature. Your brain will process faster because it used to the action you practiced. Its all mental. To suggest that your muscle somehow develops a memory by doing something over and over again and will process before your brain is rediculous. Its like saying a 30 yo wouldn't be paralyzed from the waist down from a spinal chord injury because his legs spent 30 years walking and developed a memory and doesn't need the brain for the motion of walking. Muscle memory refers to the building up of a muscle to the point where the muscle won't grow any bigger thus developing a kind of "memory". If you lift a 30lb weight every day, doing 10 reps, the first day it may be hard, each day it will get easier and easier because your muscle will build up. Eventually your muscle is used to that 30lb weight and plateaus developing a memory and won't get any bigger so you have to move to a bigger weight. Ther are several new types of workouts, p90X, Insanity, etc. that use muscle memory to build up quickly because these workouts are designed so your muscles never develop a memory by switching up the workout to use those muscles differently enabling a person to go from flab to insanely ripped in 90 days. That is what muscle memory is. |
Arnulfo Morten 19.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by dj matt blaze
um actually when you get good at djing all the movements and adjustments are second nature... and it does have to with muscle memory.... your brain processes the adjustment so fast that it can't tell your muscles to react fast enough so muscle memory solves that. it like flips a switch and everything is automated vs flipping like 9 switches 1 by 1 to do the same thing. Ask any good Turntablist it's all about muscle memory Practice and Enjoy |
Jodi Bookout 19.11.2012 | Here is a set I tampered with for a while. There is a lot of improvement to go along with it even switching out for better songs isn't a bad idea. But the songs all match in key pretty well from song to song, if you were to reorder it you may have some mismatches. But you can look all over Mixcloud and people have the tracks time stamped in the song which makes it even easier. Hope this helps. Click here to see it on Mixcloud I tried to embed it but aparently I fail at it so here is the link: http://www.mixcloud.com/jh822/i-got-...u-what-i-feel/ |
Roseanna Signorini 19.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by DocFish
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Narcisa Czyzewicz 19.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by shr3dder
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Ara Tima 19.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by DocFish
So you just want to 'Technically' recreate another set? |
Narcisa Czyzewicz 19.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by dj matt blaze
Originally Posted by dj matt blaze
Originally Posted by shr3dder
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Ara Tima 18.11.2012 | Song selection is subjective and relevant to the crowd in the building at that time, or the audience the DJ is playing too. You're not going to learn much from copying another DJ's set list... Maybe you'll learn to mix in key, or when to drop tunes, but that's not song selection. Nor reading a crowd. You'll learn more by playing out and emptying a dance floor. Just my 2c. |
Roseanna Signorini 18.11.2012 | I kinda of have to agree about it being a bizarre question. Maybe its just me, but I feel like in this day and age everyone wants exact clear cut instructions on how to do something. Djing is about feeling the music and being creative and that is something that can't be taught. You can practice mixing techniques, chaining different effects, beatmatching etc. but it all means nothing if you don't actually put it to use and do it yourself and figure out what works and what doesn't with your tracks. You compared it to flying model airplanes. There is a clearcut way to do a certain manuever and a clearcut way to string along mauevers in a sequence. In DJing there is no clearcut way. I can mix the same 2 songs 100 different times and never do it the same way twice. I may have "my way" and someone else has "their way" and neither is right or wrong. The best way to practice is to start a track with no plan in sight and mix, picking different tracks on the fly and try different things, just experiment and record yourself, then go back and listen to it. As for there being a track list to practice with, it doesn't matter, beacuse you can practice with any tracks, its about what you hear and what moves you. |
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