Logic pro vs ableton live for a beginner
Logic pro vs ableton live for a beginner Posted on: 10.02.2012 by Philip Tennie I'm been searching for a while n i still can't decide what i want to buy.So i really need a suggestion from u all. The purpose is to make remixes n make my own music. In the beginning i'm set that i'm gonna buy ableton live, but then i go to guitar center n ask the guy from audio pro that he recomend more to logic pro. He said that its more easy to learn since i never touch any daw. N more durable. Since the download price only $200. But then again i search again that some ppl said that ableton it easier than logic. So i'm really stuck. The other question is do we really need the audio interface since i'm not gonna record any real instrument. Any kind of interface that u recomend that low budget since i need to buy midi controller also. Thanks | |
| Dorie Scelzo 22.02.2012 | I said hardware, not analog. I can get sounds I like with a couple minutes in front of a virus. I've found exactly one soft synth that gives me anything even close to that (Dune), and it's still a huge PITA, though I like it a lot better than anything else I've tried (only had it for about a week, though |
| Dorie Scelzo 22.02.2012 | I said hardware, not analog. I can get sounds I like with a couple minutes in front of a virus. I've found exactly one soft synth that gives me anything even close to that (Dune), and it's still a huge PITA, though I like it a lot better than anything else I've tried (only had it for about a week, though |
| Dorie Scelzo 22.02.2012 | I said hardware, not analog. I can get sounds I like with a couple minutes in front of a virus. I've found exactly one soft synth that gives me anything even close to that (Dune), and it's still a huge PITA, though I like it a lot better than anything else I've tried (only had it for about a week, though |
| Dorie Scelzo 22.02.2012 | I said hardware, not analog. I can get sounds I like with a couple minutes in front of a virus. I've found exactly one soft synth that gives me anything even close to that (Dune), and it's still a huge PITA, though I like it a lot better than anything else I've tried (only had it for about a week, though |
| Dorie Scelzo 22.02.2012 | I said hardware, not analog. I can get sounds I like with a couple minutes in front of a virus. I've found exactly one soft synth that gives me anything even close to that (Dune), and it's still a huge PITA, though I like it a lot better than anything else I've tried (only had it for about a week, though |
| Celestine Porebski 11.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by sphilibin
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| Dorie Scelzo 22.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by DJZILCH
It includes all the instruments, including a lot of ESX sample-based instruments. But I believe they dropped the Apple Loops after realizing from "generic usage data" that the first time people accessed them was to delete them and recover wasted disk space. There's nothing missing that matters, at least nothing I'm aware of. |
| Dorie Scelzo 22.02.2012 | I said hardware, not analog. I can get sounds I like with a couple minutes in front of a virus. I've found exactly one soft synth that gives me anything even close to that (Dune), and it's still a huge PITA, though I like it a lot better than anything else I've tried (only had it for about a week, though |
| Carlee Pickard 22.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
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| Dorie Scelzo 13.04.2012 | It's supposedly made by the same people who make Nuendo/Cubase. The Professional version is supposed to have some really cool features (total Melodyne integration, interesting track freezing MIDI->Audio and vice versa more straightforward than a lot of ways of doing it) and it's definitely legit despite being fairly young. But, it works a lot like Cubase/Nuendo, which means it's a slightly different workflow from everything else. Apparently, it's supposed to be quick to learn, but I keep trying to do things the Pro Tools way, and it gets frustrating. Definitely worth a try, though. People I know who use it love it. There are people on GS who've dropped every other major DAW for it and won't go back. I definitely need to look at some tutorials or RTFM or something before I commit to PT. My only real complaint so far was that the last demo I had wasn't the Pro version, and whatever version it was wouldn't let you do simple things like bus tracks to auxes……which basically makes it unusable. I'm looking forward to trying it, but mostly I just believe it's fugly at this point. We'll see. |
| Sebastian Schimmer 13.04.2012 | Anyone have any experience with Studio One? I just downloaded the demo.. Thanks! |
| Maria Scarber 13.04.2012 | If you don't record any real instruments (including Mic.) ...then you don't get main benefits of logic and also mainstage .. but you can use garageband for working with apple loops. Ableton have better work-flow If you want to use it for djing..... or you can buy Midi Controller that native support ableton e.g. Launchpad,APC-20,40,RemoteSLMk2 all of this comes with Ableton live (them edition)...but anyway Midi-Controller never improve your skills or increase any knowledge of remix tracks as you point..you don't need midi controller to doing this but hey...MIDI controller make this thing more interesting and more fun |
| Henrietta Dortch 11.04.2012 | Why give opinions and preference if the next guy is gonna say? ^Don't listen to that guy. My bad, i'll stop helping newbies, since i'm doing it all wrong. |
| Henrietta Dortch 11.04.2012 | Well i thought it went with out saying that's what fit MY workflow. If someone is asking what to do on here, obviously they want more than one end of the spectrum, no need to be snappy about it. If you can make a whole song with $2 worth of samples, and Analog in ableton, more power to ya. |
| Dorie Scelzo 11.04.2012 | I'm with 3heads. My keyboard is the only thing I don't use (because I haven't played piano all my life) and I find not having a good control surface extremely frustrating. |
| Celestine Porebski 11.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by sphilibin
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| Henrietta Dortch 10.04.2012 | Midi Controllers are over rated. I blew a shit load of cash on a luachpad, Keystudio, and MPD 32, and all that's left is the keystudio. And that's only because i've been play piano since preschool. To anyone reading this, buy a midi keyboard, and then use your extra $$$ to buy software synths. |
| Dorie Scelzo 22.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by DJZILCH
It includes all the instruments, including a lot of ESX sample-based instruments. But I believe they dropped the Apple Loops after realizing from "generic usage data" that the first time people accessed them was to delete them and recover wasted disk space. There's nothing missing that matters, at least nothing I'm aware of. |
| Kandra Fagler 22.02.2012 | hi there, im an audio engineering student who happens to have both software (educational editions which i bought at a discount from my school) let me just say that both are really good - logic gives you an insane amount of included plugins and instruments, while ableton has much much better workflow in my opinion for example, grouping tracks in ableton means pretty much holding shift and choosing all the tracks you want to group and then right click and choose group, now this group can also act like a bus (you can also create a bus track if you want to and route what you want individually) where you can put plugins that will affect everything that you grouped together, another thing is resampling midi into audio, in ableton its soo easy, just create new track, choose "resample", solo whatever you wanna bounce to audio from midi, arm , press record, done ~ its just so intuitive and simple i was trained to use all daw software in my school (protools, logic, cubase, reason) but one that i love the most for electronic music would be ableton for its super fast workflow for tracking real instruments i would choose either cubase or protools, or logic, for me its all the same, once you understand the difference between the software the only difference between them are the interface / workflow, no one said theres something you can do in one software that you cant do on the other one, with some clever believeing everything is possible if you are more leaning into the electronic side of music as you said, i'd say ableton is a good choice at $200 logic will have a bit more value packed in though, does the $200 version include all 76GB of content? if so then logic is a good starting point price wise |
| Dorie Scelzo 22.02.2012 | I said hardware, not analog. I can get sounds I like with a couple minutes in front of a virus. I've found exactly one soft synth that gives me anything even close to that (Dune), and it's still a huge PITA, though I like it a lot better than anything else I've tried (only had it for about a week, though |
| Carlee Pickard 22.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
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| Dorie Scelzo 21.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Bunford
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| Carlee Pickard 21.02.2012 | Don't focus on the DAW. Pick one, learn it, and use it. It's not the DAW, it's how much time you choose to invest into learning your DAW. I myself use different DAWs in different studios. When I produce electronic I use Ableton, when I produce hip hop / rap I use Cubase and run FL studio in it as a VST to create my beats. The reason I do this is because when I produce hip hop it's with 2 other good friends (one who raps and another producer). The other producer is used to using Cubase with FL inside it, so that's why we do that. As for MIDI Controllers the SL 49 MK II is perfectly fine. You don't have to use Automap if you don't want to. If you want to see what I use to produce, feel free to click in the link on my signature. |
| Olene Minyard 21.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by AdamPollard55
Other contenders include Cubase (used by Flux Pavillion) and even FL Studio (used by xKore). Kinda shows that you can get results with any DAW and it's horses for courses really. Different users will get on with different DAWs. Personally, I have Ableton and Logic, as well as Reason on a Mac and Cubase on a PC. Out of all of them, I've found Logic the more intuitive one to settle on as it fits me and my style. However, I also like Ableton and use it with Reason rewireed into it a lot. I then use Pro Tools HD 9 to master the productions. Kinda depends what yo're aiming for and budget. For an all-in-one production and mastering tool, I'd go for Logic due to (whether noticable or not) technically superior audio core, the ability to use as a mastering tool with better/customisable mixer views and the ability to edit the workflow over dual monitors and see your arrangement and mixer views clearly. Lack of being able to create a customised dual monitor workflow is one thing Logic absolutely kicks Ableton butt on as it's not possible on Ableton. You simply have the option to stretch the Ableton screen over two monitors and that's it. In Logic you can have arrangement window on one monitor and then mixers, samplers, piano roll etc on the other monitor to create a workflow that just works without stifling creativitiy. As I said, Logic works best for me but veryone has their own 'fit'. |
| Odis Stirewalt 14.02.2012 | i've talked to my friend again who is using the arturia laboratory 49 now a little longer than a week and could tell me some further experiences. he admit that the midi-control function of the arturia keyboard is somehow limited and a config mess, because its always somehow controlling the arturia synth's even when you try to config this knob to control something else, i've heard that the smaller ones like "the player" haven't so much probs this way because they are from scratch more "just dumb midi controllers" which aren't bundled so heavy to the software, i would say this whole thing needs to be checked and tested before i can say its a good bet to buy. (for someone who doesn't really aim for the synth-emulations and just want an midi keyboard with maybe some extra features) the sl mk2 zero was just an addition to have automap and some more faders and encoders besides your keyboard, but it's no need i believe. in reality nothing of this is a NEED, you can do everything with your standard keyboard and a mouse, until you WORK SO MUCH in your DAW that you BENEFIT from the faster way to do something with controllers, but before you come to this point you need to know what do to, which you're need to learn before ^^ |
| Dorie Scelzo 13.02.2012 | Oh, no. You don't need a real DAW controller for a long time. Neither do I. That's why Maschine works for me. I just don't want to waste money on a stop-gap solution that I'm not going to be happy with. Also, there are a lot of people who hate automap. IDK |
| Philip Tennie 13.02.2012 | Thanks for the input. I dont believe i can afford mackie interface at the momment. So i still can't decide which one should i buy. I really want to get the arturia the laboratory since it come with the software also, but it not automap. So i need to map it myself. So i cant decide. LoL |
| Dorie Scelzo 14.02.2012 | Not really. I use maschine to control the maschine software and it's Mackie control emulation to control logic, though the MC template is kinda kludgy. My keyboard is a key rig 49 that a friend gave me at some point that kinda sucks but is good enough for how badly I play keyboard. I've heard good things about the axiom an axiom pro and the bigger Akai controllers and liked the axiom I used for a while. The analog lab is probably fine, I just don't like the software. And that same friend has an electric piano in his living room with 3 pedals and fully weighted keys, so I'd probably use that if I needed anything more expressive. The after-touch on the arturia stuff is pretty cool if your synth can use it. But I'd probably look at a minibrute long before I'd buy one of the analog experience/lab things. I'm also probably going to be getting into hardware anyway, so my needs for midi keyboards are pretty basic. And I haven't liked much of what i've seen of keyboards' DAW control compared to actually saving up for a DAW controller like a Mackie Control or the Avid Artist line. But I've also (briefly) used a big SSL desk, so there are a few things that I'd rather not have than have to use cheap copies of. The Maschine MC emulation leaves a lot to be desired, but I'd rather have encoders than unmotorized faders, and if you're doing that with a keyboard, you're already talking about mapping it yourself, which is something that I believe is a waste of time. |
| Philip Tennie 13.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
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| Dorie Scelzo 13.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Unique Freak
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| Philip Tennie 13.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by racoon
One question. Can i just start with the laboratory?? I check the review that it can work as a midi controller also. Its has knob, slider, n pads (even though only 4). So what am i missing on this? Can u explain to me why i need zero mk2 also?. Thanks |
| Odis Stirewalt 13.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Aldo
1.) novation remote 25SL mkII: have a keyboard, have a daw control, AUTOMAP (not works with every vst really proper, but the few which make problems with the automap you just don't use the automapped version and control it with midi-learn like you would without novations automap, but for all the vst's which the automap works proper, you save a lot of time), price is not so high, no extra features besides a midi-control unit 2.) novation zero sl mkII + arturia the laboratory 49 (or v-collection): have a keyboard, have a daw control, AUTOMAP, a collection of really good synthesizer emulations, price is higher, not only midi-control but 7 SYNTH's extra i admit the second choice is not really for beginners, but when you don't asking yourself if it will be your hobby for a long time anymore, you can believe about making a bigger step at the beginning and save some money in the future ;o) |
| Laurinda Benya 12.02.2012 | Ultrabeat and ES2 are extremely powerful tools in Logic. Mostapha said he believes the GUI looks ugly. That's his personal preference and it in no way means they are shitty tools. I personally find them amazing. Learn them, use them. |
| Philip Tennie 12.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
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| Odis Stirewalt 13.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
but i guess the part where he said "Because I don |
| Dorie Scelzo 12.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Aldo
I use Maschine for composition and then record into Logic (will be moving to Pro Tools soon) but that makes sense |
| Krishna Hospelhorn 12.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by racoon
you may get a 'different' sound after playing with a waves plugin, but you get a 'different' sound every time you do anything lol. |
| Odis Stirewalt 12.02.2012 | to all of you which don't believe what i say: open ableton, set everything you find to "high-quality" then add this equalizer to some track: http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=1923 and then make the same in cubase or logic and play around with it and listen to what comes out, you will hear a difference of the behaviour of the EQ in both DAW's which is as huge as the difference between my studio monitors and the sound of a pair of plastic-logitec-pc-system ;o) and if you can't hear the difference or just repeat what deadmau5 told you then i can't take your opinion for real, sry ^^
Originally Posted by padi_04
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| Krishna Hospelhorn 12.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by racoon
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| Leeanna Ayla 12.02.2012 | The reason you see so many people that say they use both is because they tried both and figured out that each one has its strengths and weakness'. At $200 Logic is a great deal and the one month trial with Ableton is long enough to get a good idea. |
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