Which DAW is best for your and why ?
Which DAW is best for your and why ? Posted on: 16.10.2012 by Royal Acoba I want to use great daw for me. I will use DAW for making electronic music.Thanks in advance | |
| Rebbecca Fennell 03.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by RavioliFaceMan
its all the same shit man. the only way you can find your comfort zone is by living it, doing it. youre not going to know whats important to you until youve run into what you feel is a wall. hell there are plenty of people who would call the whole point moot as the "only real pro solution" to them is hardware. its all fun with sound bro. |
| Luciano Hyppolite 01.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by grazz16
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| Berta Baie 02.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by Baroncraig
Ableton has a gigantic learning curve for beginners. You are likely to spend a good deal of time just trying to figure out how to get a sound out of Ableton when you first open it, let alone doing something useful with it. That was my experience using it for the first time, that being said tho, now that i've spent the time doing the required reading/youtube-ing i love it. Never used FL studio but it seems more in line with Logic than Ableton, which probably means its more intuitive. Why is Ableton best for me? Simply because i chose the DAW and stuck with it. Thats the best advice imo, try them out, pick one and just focus on learning it. You can find examples of top producers who use each of the most popular DAWs, there is no one right answer here. |
| Vicki Bortnem 01.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by diezdiazgiant
Originally Posted by Headphones Kidd
I find that the very new people I know that make cheesy dubstep type stuff use FL, and end up with no originality in their music. The underground jungle/techno/bassline guys I know all use Reason because they get high and need a quick way to release their creativity and not get bogged down with mixing and mastering. The older, more seasoned producers I know use Logic or Cubase. That may also mean that it's out of date, and that new producers are simply moving on to new kinds of DAW. At the same time, I hear music in frequencies and waveforms now and when I hear something I believe is really intelligently or well-produced, it's usually made in the traditional-style DAWs like Cubase. Of course, it's absolutely about taste and what works for you. I'm very lazy and very rarely get round to finishing a track in Cubase, so maybe something with a quicker production process like Reason would suit me better, but I'm too much of a perfectionist and need to be able to geek out with VSTs (let's face it, Rack Extensions are not VSTs), precise analysis and mixing and the amazing sequencing and groove/quantising Cubase has to offer that I just couldn't get out of Reason or FL. |
| Nikole Resende 26.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by Baroncraig
Besides, I wouldn't base my decision which DAW to get on the question which one works better for beginners. You're going to spend a lot of time learning that stuff, so you probably don't want to switch to another program once you leave the "beginner state". Even though you can get the same results with each and every DAW, the ways to get there may vary significantly. Switching form one DAW to another means you will have to learn a lot of things almost from scratch, if it is only the workflow and shortcuts |
| Laree Renoj 24.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by RavioliFaceMan
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| Eleanora Flesner 23.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by ksandvik
For begginers I would always recomend Reason. If you doing mastering then obviously you're more advanced. But for those starting out I really don't believe there is a better learning tool because they can learn Reason, then walk into a real studio and know exaclty what most of the rack gear does (eg: Compressors, delay and effects units) . When I went into my Dads studio after my first "7-day-trance" tutorial on Reason, the gear were much less intimidating to me - I knew what they did and in many cases the knobs and layouts were identical to Reason sythns and procesor knobs...... Im not really promoting Reason blindly because I know Logic and Cubase offer MUCH more ways to be creative, but just saying that for begginers Reason is very valuable to use because of the way the gear looks (almost identical to real life gear ) and the way a rack is setup and wired together. Best is to get some demo programs of diff DAWs and try them, then decide. |
| Eleanora Flesner 23.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by Deniz343
In my personal opinion, Reason is the BEST for anyone just "starting out" in production, especially if you have no clue of how music is produced in a studio. The reason for this is that Reason gives you some experiance to what "In-studio" rack gear looks like, what they do and how to route them with actual wires as you can flip the rack and come up with creative ways to minipulate your sound. It is also the most stable of all the software I've used and the least taxing on your PC, so you can literally start with something as old as a Pentium-4 with ASIO drivers and a midi keyboard and get going. Also, you don't need any VST's in Reason because you can create any sound from scratch with practice but it might be more difficult. Getting into debates about what software is best is really pointless because if you go on Youtube you'll hear songs created in Reasaon that sound far better in quality than songs created in Logic. It all comes down to experiance and Reason IMO sould be the first step to learning music production as learning the software won't be as steep as learning Logic or Cubase so you'll be more focused on sound design and song structure, rather than how to use the program. Once you feel ready, move to something more complicated. Its just much more fun, which is something people seem to forget. Everyone wants to be the next big hit with the most expensive software and hardware and very few actually still have fun with their music. Get a Reason demo, go to "Boyinaband.com" and do a 7 day song tutorial....after that week of learning you'll have a good idea if it is for you or not and you'll be creating your own songs. |
| Rebbecca Fennell 22.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by alchemy
man i havent used reason since 2.0 but i will definitely buy it again if the new windows 8 pro tablets works well with music software. the one thing i felt reason really excelled at was if you wanted to learn the basics of hardware on a budget, its virtual CV really encouraged you to just plug outputs into random inputs and see what happened next. my only complaint was that it was so modular that it made using midi controllers a pain in the ass, preferred to actually just use a mouse. |
| Jona Slon 05.11.2012 | Ableton because I've only ever used that Maschine and Garageband and It is clearly better than them lol. |
| Dorie Scelzo 04.11.2012 | I'm going to go ahead and post this one more time. IMHO, the best thing you can do isn't to ask for advice or to get demos………people have their own hang-ups and preferences, and you won't know what you're doing with any of the demos. The best thing you can do to choose a first DAW is to watch as many tutorial videos as you can find. Then when things start making sense, start over and watch them all again. At some point, you'll get sick of it……but by then, one of them should stand out as "this one seems to make sense" and/or "the people who make tutorials for this one make sense to me." Any other advice I read now seems like it would have just confused me when I started. If I hadn't watched so many videos, I probably never would have realized how much I like Pro Tools……and it really does just make sense to me to a great degree. Explaining my preference a bit, since you'll ignore my advice anyway…… Mostly, I just like & get Pro Tools's signal routing and the way it does midi & audio editing, despite the fact that it's MIDI authoring is a bit rudimentary compared to something like Live. I like it's mixer just fine. I like it's Meter Bridge plugin. I love PT10's delay plugins. I love it's Channel Strip plugin……great controls, great visualization, and great, transparent sound. Having used real ones before, I like it's Urei 1176 compressor emulation just fine for a free plugin. I like the Saturator effect that came with it okay. I don't like Avid's BS, and I don't like that I would have to pay so much more to be able to use VCA Master Faders and HEAT (console-based nonlinear distortion effects tied into the mixer), but there are other ways to do it and/or competing products that cost less……though I really like VCA Master Faders when I'm on someone else's PT HD system. I don't like how expensive controllers for it are, but I really like working with them when I get the chance (especially the Artist series stuff and the D-Control, though I'd never shell out for one of them myself). Someone ITT mentioned that Reason was a good experience for learning studio gear. I kind of disagree. I see it's signal routing as pretty cool, and I kind of like the way it works from an ideological standpoint………but if you don't have a widescreen monitor that you can turn 90degrees to be a "tall screen", then the rack won't really look right……and if you don't have a huge screen, it's awesome sounding and functioning mixer is kind of a evening mare to use………too much scrolling. Overall, the experience shoves the fact that you're using a computer in your face way more than using something designed for a computer screen. If you want that experience, there are consoles out there (the Focusrite StudioLive series seem pretty okay) that allow you to start building a hardware/software studio that would give a more realistic experience……the only thing they don't do well is volume automation with flying faders, but really………it's not that big of a loss. And the things that do it well are all expensive controllers (the Artist Series from Avid, formerly Euphonix, are what I consider entry level for this kind of thing………which is why I just don't own one) or really expensive consoles. Really, though, they all do the same thing, and they all do it really well. Obsessing over the differences between your tools at this stage will just keep you from learning what you need to learn about rhythms, melody, music theory, and how to actually write songs and channel your creativity. Focus on that, and find the tools that fit what you want to do. Otherwise, you'll wind up like me……somebody who can work the tools to create a grand total of a bunch of mediocre songs that I don't even bother publishing because they're barely good enough for me to spin as filler material in my own sets. Tools are just tools, and until you get into it, the things that are actually important don't stand out. I believe the best thing I've done was recording a friend playing Blackbird on his acoustic. And I believe we spent more time on mic placement than any other handful of steps in the process. And I still wish I'd had the patience to try something a bit different. In EDM, it's a bit different. But I wish I'd taken the first couple years learning to play piano and compose as opposed to learning how mixers work and what different compressors sound like. I can't get what's in my head into my sequencer as well as I like, and there are definitely times that it seems the thing I'm best at is polishing turds. |
| Rebbecca Fennell 03.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by RavioliFaceMan
its all the same shit man. the only way you can find your comfort zone is by living it, doing it. youre not going to know whats important to you until youve run into what you feel is a wall. hell there are plenty of people who would call the whole point moot as the "only real pro solution" to them is hardware. its all fun with sound bro. |
| Merideth Garnder 03.11.2012 | Went from FL Studio to Ableton Live to Logic Pro. Once you learn one, I believe it's not that hard to jump from one DAW to another. Like some have said....just keep arranging and composing and find a "work groove." I believe I also spent days watching tutorials online trying to get a certain sound or effect. Once you hear that final mix.....it all becomes worth it |
| Mackenzie Maron 03.11.2012 | I started out using FL Studio & Acid. Then I learned reason. To mix, I would have to bounce out the wavs from fl/reason to acid. Now, I use logic. In logic, I would rewire reason and use it as a plugin. I would use the piano roll from logic to play reason sounds. No more reason piano roll for me. Since I also Dj, I am now learning Ableton and the bridge. But all of that previous knowledge enables me to learn Ableton better |
| Luciano Hyppolite 01.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by grazz16
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| Berta Baie 02.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by Baroncraig
Ableton has a gigantic learning curve for beginners. You are likely to spend a good deal of time just trying to figure out how to get a sound out of Ableton when you first open it, let alone doing something useful with it. That was my experience using it for the first time, that being said tho, now that i've spent the time doing the required reading/youtube-ing i love it. Never used FL studio but it seems more in line with Logic than Ableton, which probably means its more intuitive. Why is Ableton best for me? Simply because i chose the DAW and stuck with it. Thats the best advice imo, try them out, pick one and just focus on learning it. You can find examples of top producers who use each of the most popular DAWs, there is no one right answer here. |
| Vicki Bortnem 01.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by diezdiazgiant
Originally Posted by Headphones Kidd
I find that the very new people I know that make cheesy dubstep type stuff use FL, and end up with no originality in their music. The underground jungle/techno/bassline guys I know all use Reason because they get high and need a quick way to release their creativity and not get bogged down with mixing and mastering. The older, more seasoned producers I know use Logic or Cubase. That may also mean that it's out of date, and that new producers are simply moving on to new kinds of DAW. At the same time, I hear music in frequencies and waveforms now and when I hear something I believe is really intelligently or well-produced, it's usually made in the traditional-style DAWs like Cubase. Of course, it's absolutely about taste and what works for you. I'm very lazy and very rarely get round to finishing a track in Cubase, so maybe something with a quicker production process like Reason would suit me better, but I'm too much of a perfectionist and need to be able to geek out with VSTs (let's face it, Rack Extensions are not VSTs), precise analysis and mixing and the amazing sequencing and groove/quantising Cubase has to offer that I just couldn't get out of Reason or FL. |
| Nikole Resende 26.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by Baroncraig
Besides, I wouldn't base my decision which DAW to get on the question which one works better for beginners. You're going to spend a lot of time learning that stuff, so you probably don't want to switch to another program once you leave the "beginner state". Even though you can get the same results with each and every DAW, the ways to get there may vary significantly. Switching form one DAW to another means you will have to learn a lot of things almost from scratch, if it is only the workflow and shortcuts |
| Shaquana Swygert 26.10.2012 | Which DAW works better for beginners, Ableton Live or FL Studio? |
| Arline Receveur 24.10.2012 | What the best DAW for somebody could be something horribly wrong waiting to happen for you. Look at the top major daw's and try them all out. It's the only way you can develop a preference for yourself, they all pretty much do the same thing. Picking a DAW is like picking a pack of chips. Usually they all taste somewhat similar just everyone has a different preference. I use Studio One though as its what I feel most comfortable with and happy to use |
| Laree Renoj 24.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by RavioliFaceMan
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| Eleanora Flesner 23.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by ksandvik
For begginers I would always recomend Reason. If you doing mastering then obviously you're more advanced. But for those starting out I really don't believe there is a better learning tool because they can learn Reason, then walk into a real studio and know exaclty what most of the rack gear does (eg: Compressors, delay and effects units) . When I went into my Dads studio after my first "7-day-trance" tutorial on Reason, the gear were much less intimidating to me - I knew what they did and in many cases the knobs and layouts were identical to Reason sythns and procesor knobs...... Im not really promoting Reason blindly because I know Logic and Cubase offer MUCH more ways to be creative, but just saying that for begginers Reason is very valuable to use because of the way the gear looks (almost identical to real life gear ) and the way a rack is setup and wired together. Best is to get some demo programs of diff DAWs and try them, then decide. |
| Celine Surico 23.10.2012 | I must confess I have a hate-love relationship with Reason. I love the integrated environment and the totally tested/debugged system and all-in a box. I don't like the synths, weak and one-dimensional and the midi editing environment is primitive. Plus I can't run my favorite mastering tools unless I dump out WAV/24 and finish the job in another DAW. I was going to finally upgrade my old Reason to 6.5 until I found out the introduced a HW dongle. Sigh. |
| Eleanora Flesner 23.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by Deniz343
In my personal opinion, Reason is the BEST for anyone just "starting out" in production, especially if you have no clue of how music is produced in a studio. The reason for this is that Reason gives you some experiance to what "In-studio" rack gear looks like, what they do and how to route them with actual wires as you can flip the rack and come up with creative ways to minipulate your sound. It is also the most stable of all the software I've used and the least taxing on your PC, so you can literally start with something as old as a Pentium-4 with ASIO drivers and a midi keyboard and get going. Also, you don't need any VST's in Reason because you can create any sound from scratch with practice but it might be more difficult. Getting into debates about what software is best is really pointless because if you go on Youtube you'll hear songs created in Reasaon that sound far better in quality than songs created in Logic. It all comes down to experiance and Reason IMO sould be the first step to learning music production as learning the software won't be as steep as learning Logic or Cubase so you'll be more focused on sound design and song structure, rather than how to use the program. Once you feel ready, move to something more complicated. Its just much more fun, which is something people seem to forget. Everyone wants to be the next big hit with the most expensive software and hardware and very few actually still have fun with their music. Get a Reason demo, go to "Boyinaband.com" and do a 7 day song tutorial....after that week of learning you'll have a good idea if it is for you or not and you'll be creating your own songs. |
| Rebbecca Fennell 22.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by alchemy
man i havent used reason since 2.0 but i will definitely buy it again if the new windows 8 pro tablets works well with music software. the one thing i felt reason really excelled at was if you wanted to learn the basics of hardware on a budget, its virtual CV really encouraged you to just plug outputs into random inputs and see what happened next. my only complaint was that it was so modular that it made using midi controllers a pain in the ass, preferred to actually just use a mouse. |
| Luciano Hyppolite 22.10.2012 | the never ending thread. Personally I use ableton as I perform my tracks live in my sets so in combination with a launchpad its a bomb. In terms of workflow I have been playing with a concept called 128's using abletons sampler that is great for finding sounds in an extremely easy way. Reason is great also, but I believe of it more as an istrument than a DAW, the sequencer part confuses me a little but the internal instruments sound great! if not, ask the prodigy! |
| Monserrate Rupnow 22.10.2012 | I have a few different DAWs here these days, and normally I just pick one based on which one I feel like looking at on any given day. As mentioned, for the most part there's so much overlap with them that I use them the same. Most of the features that are specific to a given DAW tend to be things I never need anyway. |
| Socorro Salander 22.10.2012 | I have just started producing myself and I know it's a bit mind boggling where to start. I did lots and lots of research before I chose, you can download a trial versions of most of the main DAWs and see which you can understand and which seems comfortable to you. Try not to get hung up on what people are using because you find that all the top producers use completely different DAWS. Afrojack, Avicci use Fruity Loops, Tiesto, Hardwell use Logic, Mark Sherry,Brian kearney use cubase and DJ Fresh, Skrillex use Ableton. Each of these DJs/Producers are successful in their own right, not necessarily down to which DAW they use, but down to their skill in getting the most out of that chosen DAW. Don't expect to become a world class producer within a couple of weeks, It takes alot of hard work and many, MANY hours finding your own style and sound. Take things 1 step at a time and enjoy the journey. Hope that makes sense and helps |
| Nikole Resende 22.10.2012 | I believe on the level of today's professional DAWs it's not about wether they are good or not. They all are. It's like comparing a Mercedes vs. a BMW vs. an Audi, if you know what I mean. They are all high quality, top-of-the-range products. There still are differences, though. E.g. regarding work-flow, 'on-board' instruments/effects, etc. In the end it's a matter of personal taste and workflow preferences. Just try the different demos and see what suits you best. |
| Celine Surico 20.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by Deniz343
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| Royal Acoba 20.10.2012 | Logic seems pretty good. What do you believe about Logic ? |
| Celine Surico 19.10.2012 | Most good producers are not hooked on a specific DAW. They could learn any system and get good results within days. |
| Dorie Scelzo 19.10.2012 | Pro Tools 10 is my favorite, using Maschine as a sampler/sequencer. But, really, they all do about the same thing (make music) and they all do it very well. It's just about what makes sense to you. |
| Linda Chavda 18.10.2012 |
Originally Posted by diezdiazgiant
I always check out their work with high expectations and 9/10 times Im left feeling disappointed. |
| Willa Schwallie 18.10.2012 | I really enjoy working with Studio One v2, coming from Cubase its really seemed to simplify my workflow. Demo them all and see which works better for you. |
| Rebbecca Fennell 16.10.2012 | Usually when someone starts off staying their opinion trumpeting that they've "worked with the best" usually that means they're full of shit and trying to sound important. That being said most modern daws are very capable and regardless of what you choose it's going to take time to learn how to use it, what you like, what you want out of a daw. Keep trying demos, when you have the money give one a go - maybe after a year you may find you want something else, but the only to find that out is to do it. |
| Linda Chavda 16.10.2012 | Being good on anything isn't exactly easy |
| Royal Acoba 16.10.2012 | I believe the final result in this topic is FL Studio is easy, Reason's compressor step sequencer etc. is bad and Cubase 6 is great. Am I right ? |
| Linda Chavda 16.10.2012 | ableton to the other guy; I really don't understand how ableton could make people be lazy- as far as I'm aware all DAWs have a loop function? |
| Ervin Calvery 17.10.2012 | It's hard to say, but I don't like Reason because I heart VSTs and Reason does not support them. |
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