ITCH vs Scratch Live, Controller's vs CDJ's.
ITCH vs Scratch Live, Controller's vs CDJ's. Posted on: 14.01.2011 by Audrey Pinda So. This is what I've come down to.With the debut of the NS6 and DDJ-S1 at NAMM, those two would be my controllers of choice. Otherwise, going with a CDJ setup. OPTIONS: (With Pictures!) (Just googled the images to give the idea of what I'm talking about) Numark NS6: Pioneer DDJ-S1: Pioneer CDJ-400 Setup: (Note: Not sold on the DJM400, but it's a solid image idea) CDJ-350 Setup: (And really, I don't believe I could handle the white version lol) I do however like the DJM-350 with this setup. The USB recording feature is something I KNOW I would use. I've also thought about the CDJ-850's, but then I'd really be pushing what I want for cost. In getting a CDJ setup, I'd want to add a DVS (SSL) down the road, and so feel I'd probably be more than happy with the 400 or 350's. THOUGHTS: I've long preferred Serato products over Traktor, and it really just comes down to personal preference. I respect Traktor and all that it can do, but I just can't get over the ugly and (personally) un-intuitive layout, and basically the NEED to sync (in my personal opinion). So go with the basic CDJ's and a mixer, and get SSL down the road. Or get a controller that utilizes ITCH and go with that. Either way it's a very similar setup. It seems to me like ITCH is somewhat of the "redheaded step-child" (unrelated note: my wife hates that term because she's a redhead, so I like to use it as often as possible) of Scratch Live at the moment. It's about a year behind in updates, or so it seems. So is jumping on ITCH always going to be so drastically behind? I've always been a "power-user" so to speak. I want the most functionality out of what I purchase. I have the concepts down, and just lacking the gear to devote the time and gain the technical knowledge. Out of my crew, I'm the "Dubstep" go-to guy. I follow the shit like heroin. So I can't wait to drop the money on gear soon. I'm actually really happy that these controllers came out. I really liked the S4, but my hesitation was with Traktor itself. And this solves this issue for me. I can stick with a Serato product and honestly be happier with it. And I also have the possibility of just learning on CDJ's and not using a DVS, which is something I'm really not opposed to. I just believe a DVS (at least in the future) will be easier for file management since I purchase all of my music as Mp3's anyhow. (Less that I dislike CD's, and more about just being lazy about burning them). COST/BUDGET: Cost not being a huge issue, as these are all options that pretty much fall into my sub 2k budget plan at the moment. (Note: I don't plan on spending over 2k in my initial go, but I know I want something that I can transfer well over to a professional environment). I currently DO NOT own a laptop. But as I am going back to school part-time (while maintaining full time work) I plan on picking up a laptop in the near future. So this is something I need OUTSIDE of DJing as well, and so it's in the plans for the near future. So I WILL have a laptop soon, even though I don't have one just at the moment. And this cost is NOT being considered into my "DJing" expenses, as I've convinced the wife that I need one for schoolwork. MORE THOUGHTS: So, if choosing between controllers, it's a tough call IMO. My biggest thing would be having experience on Pioneer products, because they are honestly what are installed at clubs. Given the DDJ-S1 isn't the same as a CDJ, but it's as damned close as you can get. Both controllers use Serato ITCH. Both are honestly very similar in design. I like the cue point control location on the Numark Unit better, but that's not enough to sell me on it. Four deck control is something that's honestly more than I need. I could see using 2 decks, MAYBE 3 once I start getting in practice and would help with speed mixing, but that would be in the deeper future. I guess part of it will come down to Jog Wheel feel, and just how both feel in comparison. As far as CDJ's are concerned, I really do like the CDJ-400's a lot. If I can still get them, I'd hop on these over the 350's in a heartbeat I believe. I just feel like they are more intuitive, and having played with both jog's, I like the 400's better. But honestly, I see myself using a DVS in the future, and not just pure CD's, and so it almost seems intuitive to just get a controller instead of a CDJ. Just cost wise alone, it's a wiser investment (even though the cost is quite similar in the end). I can't afford 900's or 2000's, and so I'm going with a "smaller" product no-matter which way I look at it. QUESTIONS: So for folks who have experience using ITCH and SSL, which would you recommend? Because that's what it really comes down to. All of these above products are very similar, and I am trying to make the decision. Also, in terms of laptops, is the anti-glare on the Macbook Pro's really something I NEED? Or is the regular screen just fine. I don't plan on being a superstar anytime soon, but I just worry about not being able to see shit if there are some wild lights going around. I don't have any experience with computers in odd lighting environments, so any input on this would be quite helpful. (Note I'm still not sold on a Macbook, but this would be another thing that I would add to the list of wanting one) Stepping into the game now, if you had no gear , would you go a CDJ or Controller route yourself.... and why? Thank you for reading through this. I know I've made a couple similar posts over the past couple of months, but budget plans had changed. (I basically made the decision to spend the 1k+ I had saved on going to Ultra, and in so doing, put off making the gear purchase for a bit). (And sorry if you've seen this cross-posted. Posted basically the same thing on DJForums but also wanted the input from you guys for many different reasons) | |
Dorie Scelzo 15.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by willrjmarshall
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Dorie Scelzo 15.01.2011 | A few responses. I honestly believe that mixer choice is probably the most important decision. For me the only controller's mixer section that I've felt that comes anywhere close to feeling right is the xone:dx. It feels better than a lot of real mixers and makes every other controller I've felt feel like a toy |
Dorie Scelzo 15.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by willrjmarshall
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Dorie Scelzo 15.01.2011 | A few responses. I honestly believe that mixer choice is probably the most important decision. For me the only controller's mixer section that I've felt that comes anywhere close to feeling right is the xone:dx. It feels better than a lot of real mixers and makes every other controller I've felt feel like a toy |
Dorie Scelzo 15.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by willrjmarshall
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Dorie Scelzo 15.01.2011 | A few responses. I honestly believe that mixer choice is probably the most important decision. For me the only controller's mixer section that I've felt that comes anywhere close to feeling right is the xone:dx. It feels better than a lot of real mixers and makes every other controller I've felt feel like a toy |
Dorie Scelzo 15.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by willrjmarshall
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Larhonda Veuleman 15.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
The other big thing to consider is that CDJ/mixer setups aren't portable, and can't be taken to clubs/festivals easily. In theory venues have their own: in practice these are usually a combination of broken, crappy or absent. |
Dorie Scelzo 15.01.2011 | A few responses. I honestly believe that mixer choice is probably the most important decision. For me the only controller's mixer section that I've felt that comes anywhere close to feeling right is the xone:dx. It feels better than a lot of real mixers and makes every other controller I've felt feel like a toy |
Julissa Serrone 15.01.2011 | BigC, Whats up man. I have an NS7 and had a VCI-300 till the other day. I |
Dorie Scelzo 14.01.2011 |
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Belen Wermes 14.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by BigC
kind of topic here, but the need for sync wasn't really an issue until traktor pro. it's one of the reasons i've stuck with traktor 3, because t3 is a bit more open to different approaches to using the software. for instance and this is a BIG dealbreaker for me with the software: i can find the bpm of a track in Traktor 3 just be setting a loop and manually adjusting the bpm. Because when i manually adjust the bpm of a track the loop size will increase and decrease as i increase or decrease the bpm - so i can get an accurate bpm by utilizing the visual of a loop. for some reason they removed that functionality from traktor pro.... it's such a handy thing, i hope they put it back into traktor pro 2. i don't know if that makes sense, it's kind of hard to explain - i assume it wasn't an intentional use otherwise they would've included it in traktor pro. i hardly ever have to set beatgrids in T3 because of that functionality, it's much faster than setting beatgrids too. |
Audrey Pinda 14.01.2011 | So. This is what I've come down to. With the debut of the NS6 and DDJ-S1 at NAMM, those two would be my controllers of choice. Otherwise, going with a CDJ setup. OPTIONS: (With Pictures!) (Just googled the images to give the idea of what I'm talking about) Numark NS6: Pioneer DDJ-S1: Pioneer CDJ-400 Setup: (Note: Not sold on the DJM400, but it's a solid image idea) CDJ-350 Setup: (And really, I don't believe I could handle the white version lol) I do however like the DJM-350 with this setup. The USB recording feature is something I KNOW I would use. I've also thought about the CDJ-850's, but then I'd really be pushing what I want for cost. In getting a CDJ setup, I'd want to add a DVS (SSL) down the road, and so feel I'd probably be more than happy with the 400 or 350's. THOUGHTS: I've long preferred Serato products over Traktor, and it really just comes down to personal preference. I respect Traktor and all that it can do, but I just can't get over the ugly and (personally) un-intuitive layout, and basically the NEED to sync (in my personal opinion). So go with the basic CDJ's and a mixer, and get SSL down the road. Or get a controller that utilizes ITCH and go with that. Either way it's a very similar setup. It seems to me like ITCH is somewhat of the "redheaded step-child" (unrelated note: my wife hates that term because she's a redhead, so I like to use it as often as possible) of Scratch Live at the moment. It's about a year behind in updates, or so it seems. So is jumping on ITCH always going to be so drastically behind? I've always been a "power-user" so to speak. I want the most functionality out of what I purchase. I have the concepts down, and just lacking the gear to devote the time and gain the technical knowledge. Out of my crew, I'm the "Dubstep" go-to guy. I follow the shit like heroin. So I can't wait to drop the money on gear soon. I'm actually really happy that these controllers came out. I really liked the S4, but my hesitation was with Traktor itself. And this solves this issue for me. I can stick with a Serato product and honestly be happier with it. And I also have the possibility of just learning on CDJ's and not using a DVS, which is something I'm really not opposed to. I just believe a DVS (at least in the future) will be easier for file management since I purchase all of my music as Mp3's anyhow. (Less that I dislike CD's, and more about just being lazy about burning them). COST/BUDGET: Cost not being a huge issue, as these are all options that pretty much fall into my sub 2k budget plan at the moment. (Note: I don't plan on spending over 2k in my initial go, but I know I want something that I can transfer well over to a professional environment). I currently DO NOT own a laptop. But as I am going back to school part-time (while maintaining full time work) I plan on picking up a laptop in the near future. So this is something I need OUTSIDE of DJing as well, and so it's in the plans for the near future. So I WILL have a laptop soon, even though I don't have one just at the moment. And this cost is NOT being considered into my "DJing" expenses, as I've convinced the wife that I need one for schoolwork. MORE THOUGHTS: So, if choosing between controllers, it's a tough call IMO. My biggest thing would be having experience on Pioneer products, because they are honestly what are installed at clubs. Given the DDJ-S1 isn't the same as a CDJ, but it's as damned close as you can get. Both controllers use Serato ITCH. Both are honestly very similar in design. I like the cue point control location on the Numark Unit better, but that's not enough to sell me on it. Four deck control is something that's honestly more than I need. I could see using 2 decks, MAYBE 3 once I start getting in practice and would help with speed mixing, but that would be in the deeper future. I guess part of it will come down to Jog Wheel feel, and just how both feel in comparison. As far as CDJ's are concerned, I really do like the CDJ-400's a lot. If I can still get them, I'd hop on these over the 350's in a heartbeat I believe. I just feel like they are more intuitive, and having played with both jog's, I like the 400's better. But honestly, I see myself using a DVS in the future, and not just pure CD's, and so it almost seems intuitive to just get a controller instead of a CDJ. Just cost wise alone, it's a wiser investment (even though the cost is quite similar in the end). I can't afford 900's or 2000's, and so I'm going with a "smaller" product no-matter which way I look at it. QUESTIONS: So for folks who have experience using ITCH and SSL, which would you recommend? Because that's what it really comes down to. All of these above products are very similar, and I am trying to make the decision. Also, in terms of laptops, is the anti-glare on the Macbook Pro's really something I NEED? Or is the regular screen just fine. I don't plan on being a superstar anytime soon, but I just worry about not being able to see shit if there are some wild lights going around. I don't have any experience with computers in odd lighting environments, so any input on this would be quite helpful. (Note I'm still not sold on a Macbook, but this would be another thing that I would add to the list of wanting one) Stepping into the game now, if you had no gear , would you go a CDJ or Controller route yourself.... and why? Thank you for reading through this. I know I've made a couple similar posts over the past couple of months, but budget plans had changed. (I basically made the decision to spend the 1k+ I had saved on going to Ultra, and in so doing, put off making the gear purchase for a bit). (And sorry if you've seen this cross-posted. Posted basically the same thing on DJForums but also wanted the input from you guys for many different reasons) |
Audrey Pinda 17.01.2011 | I've decided to go with CDJ's. Straight up, no DVS involved for the time being. As I'm not able to make the outright purchase right away, I spent today running around getting burnable CD's and a label making kit. I highly expect the next couple weeks to be full of making a quality and organized CD collection. What it comes down to now is how exactly I want to organize my collection. I'm going to do some more research toevening into methods other folks have used successfully. I really like the idea of 1:1 song to CD (and any remixs of a given song). It seems like the most logistically simple way to go about organizing. But as I said, looking into other options. I like turntables, but CD's are a form of media I can manipulate. And while wanting to keep things as "simple" as possible, this seems like the best road to walk down. It's kind of a hybrid between traditional and digital, and I like that. I mean, it's what many many people use currently, and so there's got to be something to be said for it. (Also posted the above on the DJForums post I have going). I know in this digital age it might seem like a step backwards to not fully embrace the magic that is some digital options out there. But I believe I was to build a foundation before I start getting even more technical. And that's what it comes down to. With a CDJ setup, I can always add a DVS and computer into the mix LATER. And I don't HAVE to have one. It gives me the most modularity and available options. I really like some of the controllerism stuff and extra control. I can really see myself incorporating LIVE into my sets into the future. But I'm not there yet. It's not super cost friendly, but I'm pretty sure I can get away with it for cheaper than you might expect. It's funny. I first went to college for Architecture. I had done a semester internship at an architecture firm in high school. I was all about it. And then we had to draw, and I hate drawing. The internship at the actual firm was 100% computer aided design. I asked the program director about it, and they explained it as "learning to walk before you can run" so to speak. If I can draw it by hand, then I can definitely do it on a computer. I transferred out of the program, but that lesson stuck with me. And I believe it's totally applicable here. |
Dorie Scelzo 15.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by willrjmarshall
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Zack Krahling 15.01.2011 | I started on vinyl, had SSL and when the NS7 came out had that as well, and played on the VCI300. I currently own the Xone DX and recommend it hard. Although half the DX owns will bitch about bugs and software issues, I have either been fortunate or never had any issues aside from pioneering the DX software when it was first released, but that was a given. The NS7 was tight but definitely not portable for dropping into a random dj booth, so my preference for someone on a budget would be a VCI300 as you can easily set it up atop any turntable or cdj if needed. The Xone on the other hand can do the same. I also have a hard top cover to protect the faders and knobs, which conveniently happens to fit perfectly over the record pin on a turntable, and also clears a cdj's buttons and all nicely as well. Topping it off with 4 deck mixing, 2 effect banks and looping control the only thing Im really missing now is the wireless smart pad for my macbook. The only time I ever touch the computer is to either search a song or click somewhere on the screen. For 1500 you have whats listed above, and I also map it for ableton and logic when playing with my production software...and when ITCH 2.0 comes out, soon enough, Im sure that will have the bridge and more effects... or 1500 for a used setup of cdjs and 2 channel mixer(and maybe a coffin if lucky) @50lbs of carrying weight?? Not for me anymore.. As well as swapping DJs its easier IMO having my own controller i plug into a channel on the main mixer and Im off and going...and yeah yeah theres the SL4 with 2 usb hubs or the rane 58 or whatever thats makes swapping easier but what club is running out to buy more gear to make the DJ swap easier?? As far as the NS6, the 4 deck mixing will be cool, but still not portable enough to take into a club and set up, unless your the resident DJ who opens and closes the evening . Its opinion really, and some will say you need to pay your dues learning to beat match and use turntable and all this crap, but the technology really takes out the learning curve, via beatgrids and all the xtra bpm feedback. Traktor is cool, I just have to much time spent already in serato cue'ing music, beat gridding and stored info that I would have to start over if i switched. |
Candace Carmouche 15.01.2011 | numark rep told me at namm that the ns6 wont be out till june. serato rep confirmed the bridge and video sl as well as "something huge for itch users" this year. pioneer rep told me the S1 will be in stores middle of feb. hope that helps you decide |
Larhonda Veuleman 15.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
The other big thing to consider is that CDJ/mixer setups aren't portable, and can't be taken to clubs/festivals easily. In theory venues have their own: in practice these are usually a combination of broken, crappy or absent. |
Matha Obray 15.01.2011 | What dont u like about traktor? And u dont HAVE to sync at all. I dont use sync unless im doing crazy 4 deck mixing or something.But its ur choice. The S1 has nothing on the ns6. Slip mode is cool, but if u wanna do that, load the same track on other deck, sync them and then mess around with it and fade back into the original track playing. Its not hard. The only reason someone would buy the s1 is cuz its a pioneer, nothing more nothing less. IMO cdj's are cool but im a digital guy i love controllers and everything involved in them. And u dont NEED TT's to LEARN how to mix. I dont see why ppl say that, its not a matter of life and death, u can learn on controllers just fine. |
Audrey Pinda 15.01.2011 | Thanks for the reply's guys. It sounds like honestly I should probably just lean down the path of CDJ's, even though it is not the "step forward" that would be nice. It's older technology that's still powerful. I could see myself easily getting distracted by FX and looping, and all sorts of toys with mixing. One of the reasons why I couldn't deal with Ableton as a DJing interface, because I constantly get side-tracked with various things, and don't end up doing the proper prep with a set. Keeping it simple, two TT's and a mixer, and then adding additional control/effects seems like the way to go. And all signs point to SSL over ITCH, and so that puts me back in the realm of CDJ's instead of controllers. Who knows, maybe in time once I feel comfortable with the basics, then I may make a move onto Traktor or the like. But for now, I really feel like I need to learn how to walk. I understand the concept, but it's something I can't do WELL yet. I mean hell, my mixing abilities are fast cuts at the moment, and that's unacceptable to me. Really going to give the price tag on the CDJ-850's another go. |
Dorie Scelzo 15.01.2011 | A few responses. I honestly believe that mixer choice is probably the most important decision. For me the only controller's mixer section that I've felt that comes anywhere close to feeling right is the xone:dx. It feels better than a lot of real mixers and makes every other controller I've felt feel like a toy |
Julissa Serrone 15.01.2011 | BigC, Whats up man. I have an NS7 and had a VCI-300 till the other day. I |
Larhonda Veuleman 15.01.2011 | My own take on this: but I believe CDJs are very backwards-looking technology. Sure, you can do all the basics on them, but they don't really sit well with any of the newer tech. You can use them nicely with DVS setups, but they're very expensive and bulky for what they offer in terms of DVS. I don't believe CDJs are worth the money, and haven't been since we started seeing good Traktor and Itch controllers. You can easily learn all the basics using a MIDI deck with jogwheels (as long as they're touch sensitive). The new Pioneer ones might be a good option, as would cheaper options. Beatmatching manually doesn't require CDJs. |
Audrey Pinda 14.01.2011 | I'm glad to hear the glossy screens don't make a huge difference. It's the difference between a few hundred dollars (being as I can pick one up in store in NH -no sales tax- with the glossy screen, and would have to have the anti-glare screen version shipped to my home in MA and have to pay sales tax on-top of the anti-glare price). The also don't make the anti-glare in a 13", which is all I really feel that I need. So we'll see where I end up with a laptop. Yeah I've been basically looking at the Ecler Nuo 2.0 and the Xone 22 as far as two channel mixers are concerned. The Behringer products have also really caught my eye, and the DJX-900 really looks like a quality piece of kit. I'm very interested to see where they are going. Believe you me, I'm not sold on the Pioneer mixers by any means. It just wasn't the main topic above, and so I didn't go into as much detail as I probably should have. The main meat and potatoes of what I really wanted to hit on here are/were the players themselves. I'd like to use a DVS in the future because my music collection is on Mp3's, and I feel that it's a more intuitive step than having to burn things to CD's. I don't want TT's because as far as mobility goes, it's not really an option (I don't plan on going all over the world with my setup, but to easily bring to a friend's place or house parties, that's what I would be going for). Burning and just using CD's is a completely viable option however. After much inner debate, talking with friends, and just going over it a million times, downloading a cracked version to test it, trying the LE version, I can honestly say I don't find Traktor to be for me. And howevermuch people want to knock me for trying without buying, I'm very very glad that I did. I like the FX. I like the syncing honestly. But I also have had a lot of experience with SSL, and it just feels 100% more intuitive. And that's just how it is really, everyone has their own opinion when it comes to software. I bought and own Ableton as well, and I originally got it because I was interested in using it as a DJing tool, and it was a nice feature as a DAW. Now I find the workflow being GREAT as a DAW, but I don't believe it jives with me as far as DJing is concerned. But the bridge interests me a lot, and while I know you can wire Traktor to it, I've already been over my issues with that to a certain degree. So that's another aspect I feel works quite well with either piece of software. Right now even though I'm still basking in the glory that is "new products" I still believe the CDJ setup may be the one to go for. If I can get a great deal on CDJ-400's, I'll probably go with them. I don't NEED a DVS at the moment, and really feel like I should learn the basics of beatmatching by ear before anything else. (Yes, I'm one of those guys that believes any DJ worth their weight SHOULD be able to beatmatch by ear, or at least have done it at some point. Choosing to sync should be something that you move on toward, because I've seen so many messy transitions and if something goes wrong? Beatmatching is a required skill, even though it's not one you HAVE to use all the time). Right now I'm gathering that more people like SSL than ITCH, and I know here in particular has a fairly strong following of Traktor users. Hell, the reason I first came to the website was because I wanted to know more about the VCI-100 and Traktor. ITCH does seem to take a backseat to ITCH, and having CDJ's doesn't seem like a bad move. Slip mode on the 900's and DDJ-S1 is compelling however. And it's something the lesser CDJ's don't have. Ugh. It's not simple. Right now I'm looking at the DDJ-S1, or going with a straight CDJ setup. I really want to see some more info on the NS6, and so I'll be waiting patiently for that. Price isn't as much of an issue as having the features I want. It's like buying a car really (and hell, I've bought cars for LESS than I'm planning on buying my DJing gear ). I'm someone who will buy the used car with all the features I want, rather than the more economical "smarter" new car. Does anyone know when the information it ITCH 2.0 will be released? |
Larhonda Veuleman 14.01.2011 | Agreed on the Pio mixers. Pioneer mixers are expensive and mediocre. If you want a cheap two-channel option get a Xone 22 or something. Don't be concerned about "learning" Pioneer mixers, analog mixers are pretty much all the same. If you can use one, you can use any. |
Dorie Scelzo 14.01.2011 |
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Regine Hulme 14.01.2011 | And about the glare issue no problem on nighclub environment |
Regine Hulme 14.01.2011 | You should stay with ssl , itch is more a stepchild of traktor IMO. For DVS I believe nothing beats ssl and for controller nothing beats traktor pro. I use the 2 a lot it only depends if the club has turntables or not. The difference between controllers and cdj is, at least for me, not worth it. The best purchase I made is the xone 4d it controls perfect traktor and now with the ssl 2.1 you can effectively map to serato. If there is space in the booth I am playing I am taking with me so if turntables are broken I use traktor. So if you have any sl dongle keep it, also I own a vci100 wich works beauty with traktor.The xone 4d I got it for 2000 from a direct allen&heat seller. I dislike the NI ways of handling customers and updates and the gui is far from natural workflow besides a weird file management. 5 years ago I purchase the sl1 and I am even surprised I am using it every week, with nice software upgrades for free. Cheers |
Belen Wermes 14.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by BigC
kind of topic here, but the need for sync wasn't really an issue until traktor pro. it's one of the reasons i've stuck with traktor 3, because t3 is a bit more open to different approaches to using the software. for instance and this is a BIG dealbreaker for me with the software: i can find the bpm of a track in Traktor 3 just be setting a loop and manually adjusting the bpm. Because when i manually adjust the bpm of a track the loop size will increase and decrease as i increase or decrease the bpm - so i can get an accurate bpm by utilizing the visual of a loop. for some reason they removed that functionality from traktor pro.... it's such a handy thing, i hope they put it back into traktor pro 2. i don't know if that makes sense, it's kind of hard to explain - i assume it wasn't an intentional use otherwise they would've included it in traktor pro. i hardly ever have to set beatgrids in T3 because of that functionality, it's much faster than setting beatgrids too. |
Coreen Pankow 14.01.2011 | the only thing i could help you on is the anti glare on the macbook. mine doesnt have it and its a bitch to use it outside (ive played some gigs during teh day outside and either had to get covered or cast a shadow on it to see what was going on). so its prob worth it especially if youre using it for 2 purposes. -- i loved typing papers outside when i was in school. also if my opinion matters, if you go with cdjs, go with the 400s. i love the red ring that goes round. |
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