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VCI-100SE TSI 2_3 FeedBack
Posted on: 05.08.2009 by
Please post your suggestions, problems and bugs here. This update has been built for Traktor 1.1.2 and is not 100% compatible with the new 1.2 beta. Download here

Remember to include:

  • Firmware version
  • Traktor version



Bug Fixes

  • * Deck A Loop Knob Turned on FX in bank A. - Fixed
  • * EQ FX UNIT 2 Drive and Gate - Swapped
  • * FX Advanced Reset button- Missing command added


New Features

  • * Low EQ Kill added to low EQ knob
  • * DECK SEEK Coarse Added- Access it through Shift + pitch bend (outer rim)
  • * Fader FX mode has been improved for Chained FX. Use the line fader with the jog wheel and pitch fader for control over all 3 FX
  • * added soft take over to gain knobs (please provide feedback)
  • * Shift + EQ FX Button - Sets up each deck for a special fader FX performance (Press Shift + EQ FX and then turn on fader FX mode. Work the Jog wheels and Line Fader with the pitch fader)
  • * EQ FX buttons toggle FX units on and off (sets the wet dry to 50% and then 0% , please give feedback)
Dan Marrin
04.09.2009
Originally Posted by theoz
Greetings to everybody,

I am a relatively new owner of a vci-100se and i just downloaded the new mappings. I have two problems that might seem stupid or naive to many of you (after some searching i did to the community i couldn't find what i was looking for). I am sorry in advance if this problem/question is already answered somewhere else in the community , if someone knows please point it out.

1. Software Pitch fader range is -+100% - while the VCI-100 knob takes it to -+8 to it's min-max. Even if I change the settings for the software pitch fader range and choose -+8 or -+10, I now can move -+0.5 or something, meaning I only control less than one tenth of the full range of the pitch fader with the VCI knob. Since I am interested in fine pitch adjustments and I am not interested in a +100 pitch change, how could I make the knob of the VCI correspond to the full range of the software pitch?

2. Track strip (don't know if i'm using the right term). When I load a track on any player, I cannot see the complete track waveform, but only the minute marks. I read in the manual I have to wait for the tracks to get analyzed (or smthg like that) but no matter how much i wait, the track strip still remains empty. This happens to 99.5% of my tracks (for some reason I randomly discovered a couple of tracks that were actually displayed but for all the rest it's the same problem).

Thank you in advance for any help/insight!

Theo.

XPS M1330 - Vista SP2 - Traktor Pro 1.1.2 - VCI-100SE - TSI 2.3
I have same problem with Theo both of those two problems...
any helps?? ean!!! help us!!
Leota Saniuk
17.08.2009
Originally Posted by simonsky
Ok, then use one of the free modifiers.
For instance: Juggle-Knob (CC89) sets modifier 5=1; Juggle Button (E5, Modifier 3) Modifier condition M5=0
hehe, I was just going to post that fix as well.
but its quite irritating that Traktor doesnt really let you do an "unhold" trigger, to get this feature implemented in the ideal way.
Alida Forry
04.09.2009
1. Software Pitch fader range is -+100% - while the VCI-100 knob takes it to -+8 to it's min-max. Even if I change the settings for the software pitch fader range and choose -+8 or -+10, I now can move -+0.5 or something, meaning I only control less than one tenth of the full range of the pitch fader with the VCI knob. Since I am interested in fine pitch adjustments and I am not interested in a +100 pitch change, how could I make the knob of the VCI correspond to the full range of the software pitch?
Thats is because of the way the pitch faders are mapped. Go into Preferences -> Midi Mapping. There you sort Control and search for the "Tempo" entries. For every Tempo Entry you change the Rotary Sensitivity to 100%. Now your faders should have the range you selected under preferences -> Transport.
Dan Marrin
04.09.2009
Originally Posted by theoz
Greetings to everybody,

I am a relatively new owner of a vci-100se and i just downloaded the new mappings. I have two problems that might seem stupid or naive to many of you (after some searching i did to the community i couldn't find what i was looking for). I am sorry in advance if this problem/question is already answered somewhere else in the community , if someone knows please point it out.

1. Software Pitch fader range is -+100% - while the VCI-100 knob takes it to -+8 to it's min-max. Even if I change the settings for the software pitch fader range and choose -+8 or -+10, I now can move -+0.5 or something, meaning I only control less than one tenth of the full range of the pitch fader with the VCI knob. Since I am interested in fine pitch adjustments and I am not interested in a +100 pitch change, how could I make the knob of the VCI correspond to the full range of the software pitch?

2. Track strip (don't know if i'm using the right term). When I load a track on any player, I cannot see the complete track waveform, but only the minute marks. I read in the manual I have to wait for the tracks to get analyzed (or smthg like that) but no matter how much i wait, the track strip still remains empty. This happens to 99.5% of my tracks (for some reason I randomly discovered a couple of tracks that were actually displayed but for all the rest it's the same problem).

Thank you in advance for any help/insight!

Theo.

XPS M1330 - Vista SP2 - Traktor Pro 1.1.2 - VCI-100SE - TSI 2.3
I have same problem with Theo both of those two problems...
any helps?? ean!!! help us!!

25.08.2009
you could always change the title of your video- so it does not confuse people. The VCI-100SE has firmware 1.3 which does not have the problems you show in that video. best of luck!
Evangelina Fede
20.08.2009
ahh
i understand now, thanx. I need to upgrade to 1.3.... I have 1.1 firware
Evangelina Fede
20.08.2009
I believe not upgrade. Using traktor pro 1.1.1
Alida Forry
20.08.2009
Did you upgrade your firmware to 1.3, and which Traktor Version are u using?
Evangelina Fede
20.08.2009
Hi all! I have some problems with FX's on buttons above FX knobs. Exacly - with right ON button! He doen't work (dont turn on/off fx). Sometimes when i press it - it turn on left CUE in my headphones.

You can see problem better at this video by me. Tnx for help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LUvfYIZsYQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LUvfYIZsYQ
Alida Forry
17.08.2009
Hmm well .. I have submitted a feature request for an "unhold" trigger, so that we could do a mapping like the following:
M#3 E5 Button/Hold -> set 1
M#3 E5 Button/Unhold (M#6=1) -> set 1
M#3 CC89 Button/Hold -> set 1
M#6 CC89 Button/Hold -> set 1
It's a good idea but you can't do that with the VCI-100. As I said you need different MIDI notes for Pressed/Released, like on the JOG-Wheels.
The only way you can do this is via the firmware of the VCI-100.
Leota Saniuk
17.08.2009
Hmm well .. I have submitted a feature request for an "unhold" trigger, so that we could do a mapping like the following:
M#3 E5 Button/Hold -> set 1
M#3 E5 Button/Unhold (M#6=1) -> set 1
M#3 CC89 Button/Hold -> set 1
M#6 CC89 Button/Hold -> set 1
Alida Forry
17.08.2009
hehe, I was just going to post that fix as well.
but its quite irritating that Traktor doesnt really let you do an "unhold" trigger, to get this feature implemented in the ideal way.
For this you would need a button to send a different MIDI note when pressed, i believe there are some on the VCI-100 1.3
Leota Saniuk
17.08.2009
Originally Posted by simonsky
Ok, then use one of the free modifiers.
For instance: Juggle-Knob (CC89) sets modifier 5=1; Juggle Button (E5, Modifier 3) Modifier condition M5=0
hehe, I was just going to post that fix as well.
but its quite irritating that Traktor doesnt really let you do an "unhold" trigger, to get this feature implemented in the ideal way.
Alida Forry
17.08.2009
Nope tried that. It does fix that issue, but it also breaks the behavior of the juggle button when the knob is not turned on
Ok, then use one of the free modifiers.
For instance: Juggle-Knob (CC89) sets modifier 5=1; Juggle Button (E5, Modifier 3) Modifier condition M5=0
Leota Saniuk
17.08.2009
Originally Posted by simonsky
I believe telling the Juggle Button (E5) only to react when Modifier 3 = 0 should fix that one.
Nope tried that. It does fix that issue, but it also breaks the behavior of the juggle button when the knob is not turned on
Alida Forry
17.08.2009
Anyways, the current juggle mode has a bug, where pressing the juggle button when the knob is on, turns off juggle mode, even though the juggle knob is still turned. Which would make fixing this issue ever so interesting.
I believe telling the Juggle Button (E5) only to react when Modifier 3 = 0 should fix that one.
Leota Saniuk
17.08.2009
Originally Posted by simonsky
I finally gave up with the "anti-juggle" function. Its not possible without remapping nearly the whole layout.
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In the past modifier 6 was also needlessly assigned. So maybe there are now 2 modifiers freed up?

As for the anti juggle, I can see where this is difficult. The juggle mode state needs to be determine by a single modifier, which needs to change according to pressing and releasing of buttons. However I do not have a clue how I can trigger anything in Traktor when I release a button?

Anyways, the current juggle mode has a bug, where pressing the juggle button when the knob is on, turns off juggle mode, even though the juggle knob is still turned. Which would make fixing this issue ever so interesting.

So far I have only managed to fix the issue with bome's midi translator
Evangeline Jarnot
17.08.2009
Also, I really like the new soft takeover. Can we get it for the line faders, eq, and filter too?
Evangeline Jarnot
17.08.2009
Deck C no longer works; no tracks can be loaded to it. It's labeled as "Audio Through." (?) Makes it pretty useless. I reverted back to the older tsi and things went back to normal so I don't believe the problem is me. Thoughts?
Alida Forry
16.08.2009
As per this juggle mode thread, it would be nice if one could disable the juggle mode temporarily when the juggle knob is set to on, by holding the juggle button. This effectively means that holding the juggle button would work as a toggle for the juggle mode, setting juggle mode to ON if the juggle knob is OFF and setting the juggle mode to OFF if the juggle knob is ON.

Enjoy!

(edited by ean golden)

please dont put additional TSi files here as they are going to create confusion. I am trying to edit and improve a single file which we can support. Creating variations on that in the same thread could become very confusing.
Aprizal Rustarmadi
16.08.2009
im new to 4 decks so forgive my ignorance but how do i keep all 4 decks in view and switch focus from a to c or b to d? i thought this was the function of the deck c and deck d buttons (next to filter knob). pushing these buttons usually toggles focus form top to bottom but sometimes it switches the view back to 2 deck mode and i cant figure out why. i appreciate any insight you may have!
Leota Saniuk
16.08.2009
As per this juggle mode thread, it would be nice if one could disable the juggle mode temporarily when the juggle knob is set to on, by holding the juggle button. This effectively means that holding the juggle button would work as a toggle for the juggle mode, setting juggle mode to ON if the juggle knob is OFF and setting the juggle mode to OFF if the juggle knob is ON.
Mac Fly
15.08.2009
plus 2!!! ANYONE KNOW HOW TO DO THIS?
Leota Saniuk
15.08.2009
Originally Posted by simonsky
When you turn on Deck C/D Mode and then press both Deck C and Deck D button to control Deck A and B, Traktor switches to 2-Deck View. I believe it would be better if it stays at 4-Deck Mode as long as Deck C/D Mode is activated.
+1 from me as well
Suzanna Paddock
15.08.2009
Originally Posted by simonsky
When you turn on Deck C/D Mode and then press both Deck C and Deck D button to control Deck A and B, Traktor switches to 2-Deck View. I believe it would be better if it stays at 4-Deck Mode as long as Deck C/D Mode is activated.
Agreed! Also it would be good to make it more explicit that you're on deck c & d, like the play button led changing color (not only the c/d button)
Alida Forry
13.08.2009
When you turn on Deck C/D Mode and then press both Deck C and Deck D button to control Deck A and B, Traktor switches to 2-Deck View. I believe it would be better if it stays at 4-Deck Mode as long as Deck C/D Mode is activated.

Furthermore the "Sampler" does only work when in Chained Mode in FX-Slot 2.
Alida Forry
13.08.2009
VCI 100 (1.3)
Traktor Pro 1.1

Shift + EQ FX Button - Sets up each deck for a special fader FX performance (Press Shift + EQ FX and then turn on fader FX mode. Work the Jog wheels and Line Fader with the pitch fader)
When I use this for Deck B, the first "Shift + EQ FX"-Press activates EQ FX Mode. On Deck A "Shift + EQ FX" does not activate EQ FX
It irritated me first when I wasn't used to it.
Leota Saniuk
12.08.2009
Originally Posted by minimal
Gain knobs: I personally prefer relative mode, as I don't expect to get any visual feedback from this knob, seeing that it's the same knob for 2 decks. All I want to do is give the track more volume, so relative works great for me & is much more responsive than soft takeover. I do use soft takeover on all my EQ though to avoid 'squelching'.
I guess on the gain you are only going to do minor adjustments, so relative should indeed work out quite well indeed for the gain knobs, since the chances of ever getting to the end in either direction are effectively zero even with relative mode.
Lakia Conor
12.08.2009
Great work on the new TSI, Ean. It keeps getting better and better, and especially more convenient to make my mixes flow.

I am running 1.3 firm with 1.1 traktor pro.

The problem that is occurring with me right now is the filter knob function on all decks. When I have the vci knob set to, say a half turn counter-clockwise or -50%, and the software filter is registered at 12 o clock, the software will move relative to the vci knob adjustment, but not match the value until the vci knob reaches 12 o clock.

Is that what you intended the mapping to do? Just a little tweak, nothing major.

Thanks!
Suzanna Paddock
12.08.2009
Allright, thanks for the continuing work on the TSI.

Gain knobs: I personally prefer relative mode, as I don't expect to get any visual feedback from this knob, seeing that it's the same knob for 2 decks. All I want to do is give the track more volume, so relative works great for me & is much more responsive than soft takeover. I do use soft takeover on all my EQ though to avoid 'squelching'.

Bass Kill: excellent! this is going to be used a lot!

EQ FX on/off: I really don't get this one. I switch a lot btween the eq & fx and I don't want it turned on or off when I switch.

Coarse Deck Seek: I like this too! I thought I wouldn't find any use for it but this is better than using the touchpad to move around.

Cheers!
Doug Bieling
10.08.2009
Originally Posted by theoz
Greetings to everybody,

I am a relatively new owner of a vci-100se and i just downloaded the new mappings. I have two problems that might seem stupid or naive to many of you (after some searching i did to the community i couldn't find what i was looking for). I am sorry in advance if this problem/question is already answered somewhere else in the community , if someone knows please point it out.

1. Software Pitch fader range is -+100% - while the VCI-100 knob takes it to -+8 to it's min-max. Even if I change the settings for the software pitch fader range and choose -+8 or -+10, I now can move -+0.5 or something, meaning I only control less than one tenth of the full range of the pitch fader with the VCI knob. Since I am interested in fine pitch adjustments and I am not interested in a +100 pitch change, how could I make the knob of the VCI correspond to the full range of the software pitch?

2. Track strip (don't know if i'm using the right term). When I load a track on any player, I cannot see the complete track waveform, but only the minute marks. I read in the manual I have to wait for the tracks to get analyzed (or smthg like that) but no matter how much i wait, the track strip still remains empty. This happens to 99.5% of my tracks (for some reason I randomly discovered a couple of tracks that were actually displayed but for all the rest it's the same problem).

Thank you in advance for any help/insight!

Theo.

XPS M1330 - Vista SP2 - Traktor Pro 1.1.2 - VCI-100SE - TSI 2.3
Yup sounds like your tracks arent analysed. Right click the track or selection of tracks and select Analyse. Or alternatively you could have the option "analyse when loading tracks" on in options.
Doug Bieling
10.08.2009
Originally Posted by EanGolden
sign up on the beta list and you will get notification of new files. We just sent out an email now.

http://www.djranking s.com/midi-map/
Hmm saw this before the email came through. I did manage to sleep eventually and the beta email was there when i awoke

Canny wait to have a play as ive been away camping till today.
Leota Saniuk
07.08.2009
they do the same thing .. the idea is just that the button is for temporary switching to juggle mode and with the knob you can permanently do into juggle mode .. so that you dont need to keep pressing the juggle button.
Henry Kolde
07.08.2009
Please forgive me if this answer has already been made clear in the tutorials...but what is the difference b/w the Juggle On button in the top right corner, and the small Juggle On knob?
thanks
Frederick Grobbel
06.08.2009
Greetings to everybody,

I am a relatively new owner of a vci-100se and i just downloaded the new mappings. I have two problems that might seem stupid or naive to many of you (after some searching i did to the community i couldn't find what i was looking for). I am sorry in advance if this problem/question is already answered somewhere else in the community , if someone knows please point it out.

1. Software Pitch fader range is -+100% - while the VCI-100 knob takes it to -+8 to it's min-max. Even if I change the settings for the software pitch fader range and choose -+8 or -+10, I now can move -+0.5 or something, meaning I only control less than one tenth of the full range of the pitch fader with the VCI knob. Since I am interested in fine pitch adjustments and I am not interested in a +100 pitch change, how could I make the knob of the VCI correspond to the full range of the software pitch?

2. Track strip (don't know if i'm using the right term). When I load a track on any player, I cannot see the complete track waveform, but only the minute marks. I read in the manual I have to wait for the tracks to get analyzed (or smthg like that) but no matter how much i wait, the track strip still remains empty. This happens to 99.5% of my tracks (for some reason I randomly discovered a couple of tracks that were actually displayed but for all the rest it's the same problem).

Thank you in advance for any help/insight!

Theo.

XPS M1330 - Vista SP2 - Traktor Pro 1.1.2 - VCI-100SE - TSI 2.3
Cecile Eyo
06.08.2009
Great to have an update with the bugs resolved. Why no key lock or track preview???
Mark Keops
07.08.2009
Wooooooo!

I have my gig today! This 2.3 seem to fixed some of my problem, but I will update this after toevening gig just in case, hehe

I'm not sure what's exactly the "soft takeover". Is this will fix when ever you load a new track in and the gain will not be at the right volume? I have to slightly touch the gain knob all of the time just to bring back the new track to the right volume, if this fix it, it will be so awesome! Somebody please explain.

Thanks and Thank you Ean!
Dora Laffer
06.08.2009
In Fader FX mode when thouthing the jog the opposite deck play/pause's?
Leota Saniuk
06.08.2009
Thanks for those fixes and tweaks.

I have been using soft takeover in my TSI. It takes a lot of getting used to. Essentially the first thing to believe of when touching any knob or fader is to move it to the current position and not to the position where you want it to end up. Also the soft takeover is very exact, that is .. if you have something set to the maximum, then you really need to be at the maximum, especially on the faders it often seems like you are at the maximum in the fader position, but actually you are quite below.

So in a way you need to first get to the position, make a very small move and then believe about where you want to go. The issue is obviously that with some of the smart knob action, even a small movement is too much.

Then again without soft take over instead of ending up missing the timing because the movement on the knob/fader is ignored because I failed to move it to position first, I also end up with effects and things coming at the wrong time. So in the end I prefer soft takeover, even if I feel NI could make it a bit more human compatible by making soft takeover accept a minor difference in knob/fader position on takeover or maybe by also giving you a visual cue that the knob/fader you are currently turning is not taking effect due to soft takeover.

I have created a feature request for this on the NI community s:
http://www.native-instruments.com/fo...ad.php?t=91149
Geri Denier
05.08.2009
Question about the overlay before I buy it again. Is it different than the one that was sold a month or two ago? Will it change again when NI releases the gold of 1.2?

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