Midi Fighter 3D?
Midi Fighter 3D? Posted on: 27.02.2012 by Arletha Heddens Just saw the new blog post....Seems like an awesome idea, but i honestly believe that's a little bit too... far? I really can't see this style of controller taking off, because lets face it... We arn't all as energetic as Ean when playing a set :L Well at least, i definitely am not. And i guess it would be a 'center piece' controller... As in the main controller, because with the classic or pro, they were kind of additions to a setup where you could reach over and tap in a few effects, but this seems to be much more like a game controller where it needs to ALWAYS be in your hands. I guess it has a freaking WOW factor, because lets face it. That is a seriously awesome piece of hardware, just seems to be over the top for what it should be. And i don't believe anyone saw this kind of construction coming as the 'new djtt controller'... But yeah. Thoughts? | |
| Tatum Ansaldo 27.02.2012 | God I wish SSL had traktor's midi capabilities. This thing looks like a beast. |
| Adolf Hit 27.02.2012 |
Will the full feature use of the MF3d be dependent on Traktor 2.5?
Simple Mode You use the supplied utility to choose the inactive (button not pressed) and active (button pressed) color for each button in each of the four banks. Advanced Mode You use MIDI out messages to control the LEDs, this overrides what ever simple mode setting the button has. The velocity of the MIDI out message controls the effect of the message. Velocity 0 = No Effect Velocity 0 - 65 = Reserved for future use (Ableton has 54 colors ...) Velocity 66 - 86 = Directly set the color to one of the 20 available settings. Velocity 86 - 102 = Uses the inactive color, set to one of 15 brightness levels Velocity 103 - 118 = Uses the active color, set to one of 15 brightness levels Velocity 119 - 127 = A variety of flashing states which can be MIDI clock synced. @Karlos - Yup - we already got a call from LMFAO's manager, Sky Blue also happened to be one of the first artists to see the prototype mid last year. |
| Ned Somerset 27.02.2012 | Throw it on a guitar, map the motion control and buttons in any DAW, run the guitars output through said DAW . Rock out with the added bonus of controlling some effects or what not. Might just have to try it. Its a mappable motion controlled midi controller with direct feedback and more. Sounds pretty sweet to me. reserved. |
| Kimberly Lewark 27.02.2012 | tyfurious, that is an awesome job! Where do I place my order? |
| Gilma Marchini 27.02.2012 | It needed to be done. This aside, my head is starting to wrap around it... I won't be able to treat the innovation the way I treat my current midifighters, but it will be really cool if I take it on as a different piece of gear
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| Rey Holubar 27.02.2012 | Will the full feature use of the MF3d be dependent on Traktor 2.5? I'm having a feeling it will be for true (and meaningful) RGB light control. I may be wrong though. It is just so coincidental that NI is also bringing out the Kontrol F1 with RGB buttons along with TP2.5. Looking forward to both these beauties. scamo |
| Kimberly Lewark 27.02.2012 | Another thing to note is that, for me, the price seems completely reasonable for a Midi Fighter classic with professional case, rgb leds, dedicated bank buttons AND six additional shift buttons. The motion stuff is just an added bonus. If you never use it outside of playing around, you still got a great controller for what I believe is a reasonable price. If you do end up using the motion, awesome! (full disclosure: of course, I may be a tiny bit biased cause I wrote the colour configuration tool for it...) |
| Noelia Martig 27.02.2012 | I must say I was not a Midi Fighter Fan. Till today! This new 3d version has caught my interest and my imagination on possibilities on what can be done and interact with the crowds I play for. I have been using the APC40 mostly for chained effects and sound destruction and manipulation but it leave me stuck in my own space due to the fact its not mobile enough to take out front stage. This my friend CHANGES THE GAME. With 180 degree motion sensitivity. Dynamic button light color mapping +10 on this move. Can't wait to get my hands on this one and thanks for making me a now Midi Fighter Fan! With just a small caveat. Advice and request: Could you please offer a WIFI version so we can lose the usb cord this will allow us to really use this outside the DJ booth while we hype a crowd up and interact with them. |
| Janyce Henningson 27.02.2012 | What you have to remember is - this isn't a tools for dj's - it's for the new breed of controllerists or whatever they are called. Think cue jumping effect pounding short performances - if that's your thing then this is a great new controller. If you mix one tech-house track into another then it's not really for you. |
| Gilma Marchini 27.02.2012 | I Dj for fun, I like toys, but I just don't like the motion control idea too much. I've never been a huge fan of omgwtfbbq effects in actual application, so I just wish the money was put into something aside from motion control. Aside from that, motion control anything should possibly be wireless, but I guess users can rig that. |
| Hunter Renslow 27.02.2012 | Seems like everyone complained about the pro's too the first day and then bought them anyway! I love every shimmer of rgb colour! I can believe of a hundred ways I'm gonna use mine! Great work!! |
| Ada Matzkin 27.02.2012 | does a musical instrument have to be a serious piece of gear
? toys are fun and theres nothing wrong with fun music. being a gamer i applaud a link between djing and gaming. some will view this critically , and thats up to you , dont get one. just dont fool yourself into believeing no one else will want to get in on the fun factor. i believe it would be cool if there was a vst or some djing software that actually had a mode where you could keep score while DJing. similar to tony hawk or dance dance revolution, it would inspire variety in your style by rewarding you for doing different effect combos , scratches , or styles of transitions, and then diminish when you do the same trick too many times in a row. you could unleash super moves etc. like DJ hero but actually grading and scoring you on your level of technical prowess within traktor for instance. would it be useful? probably not... would be fun tho. and would inspire people to practice more. anyway, my MF3D is reserved :P |
| Sarai Suchman 27.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by tyfurious
I remember back in the day going to rock concerts and seeing the guitarist swinging his guitar around and up and down and jumping n stuff to hype the crowd up...why not apply the same mentalitiy here? EDM shows have the HIGHEST energy level out of all music forms imo...this just allows another way for the performer to interact with the crowd. |
| Glynis Mangona 27.02.2012 | def gonna buy one |
| Gilma Marchini 27.02.2012 | I'll wind up with one, but I can't take this seriously... The banks and colors are cool... But motion control? It's becoming more of a toy and less of a serious piece of gear T_T |
| Joselyn Supina 27.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Toast
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| Brunilda Kora 27.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Fatlimey
Originally Posted by guiltyblade
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| Nila Ragonese 27.02.2012 | This is some serious next level shit, way too next level for me. I would have made the same controller without the 3D and charge 249. Then make it with 3D also for 299. Anyone who has a classic would upgrade to an RGB sans accelerometers for 249 all day long. Would have sold tons. IMHO |
| Alla Bluemke 27.02.2012 | In a booth. Completely uselss imo. Unless you hold it in the air and do stuff. BUT I could see this working awesome for a duo. One person mixing, another person in the crowd mashing effects. If they do it right cue juggle etc. Let people in the audience try touching a button or two. You can really engage your audience in that manner. |
| robert chanda 27.02.2012 | The MF3D has a lot of performance possibilities and not just for show-offs, especially when you have full control over the LEDs and can use them to give you feedback about the program state. With the right MIDI mapping there's no need to look at the screen any more, you know right away which bank you are in and what functions are currently active. Key state is persistent so setting an LED color on a Bank is remembered throught the session as you swap banks. Want to know if a deck is playing? Turn a key on bank 1 from white to red. The rockout moves aren't the only thing you can do with the LEDs. For instance, hold the box above your head with the LEDs pointing towards the audience. Move the MF3D side to side in a 180 degree arc above your head and the audience can see the values changing. That's audience interaction and direct control all at the same time. How could you use that to engage your audience? What other features would you want to see? The MF3D also has _absolute_ orientation tracking so subtle movements can also be output as MIDI CCs - mixing subtle tracks or controlling slow tonal events is just as easy as tracking the "rocking out" movements. Once you get it in your hands you really feel the machine reading your movements - it's Apple-style natural once you get it in your hands, we've worked hard on that. It also outputs a storm of MIDI data - three orientation CCs for every button held down and buttons "pick up" from the place they were pressed allowing you to do up-sweeps and down-sweeps with just one motion by timing the keypresses. That's a huge amount of control and way more CCs than you could ever tweak at one time using just two hands. These features are really a solution looking for a problem and we're hoping that people will play with the device and find ways of using it we've never thought of. That's the kind of capabilities tht good artistic tools provide. So go be creative with it, show us what it can do. |
| Brunilda Kora 27.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by boarderbas
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| nayit ruiz jaramillo 27.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by HedgeHog
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| Glynis Mangona 27.02.2012 | disclaimer: I can't view the blog video from work... From the pics, I only see the 4 extra (shift) buttons on top. But there are 6 shift buttons? What am I missing? |
| Lang Abriel 27.02.2012 | I feel like if I used this at a gig I would need to explain to ppl what the hell I am doing but then it would get quite a reaction....still I probably would always keep one corner on the table, ive just never been able to get that into the music I'm spinning haha. Still if there is a combined sample deck mapping with the instant grat/wtf mapping then it could be perfect to go with my s4. |
| Kimberly Lewark 27.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Patch
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| Evia Nitch 27.02.2012 | This controller is the answer to all my questions! -Why are the blog post so lame lately? -Is this site just for making money instead of promoting controllerism? -Is this just a digital shrine to Eans gospel? Kep up the good work! |
| Meg Reinoehl 27.02.2012 | Buying it. |
| Nereida Jasnoch 27.02.2012 | Accelerometers. I did not ask for this. But man, the look on peoples faces when you add a clearly audible effect such as a filter to the mix by just tilting your controller. They must be amazed whether they are DJs or not. And full RGB, yes, hell yes. Edit: and am I the only the price of 249 dollars or 185 euros is really low for such a device ? |
| Brunilda Kora 27.02.2012 | Midifighter has come of age. I was never impressed with the previous versions - but this is an awesome piece of kit. 4xbanks, and 6xshifts? That's good stuff. Love the GUI, and the buttons look sick. This is a LEAP forwards. You can see that a great deal of thought has been put into this. Well done DJ Tech Tools. Now - what I would LOVE to see, is a version that DOES not have the accelerometers, but has pots instead. I love the idea of holding down a button then changing the value with a knob. (While I'm dreaming, how about a 8x2 grid with 2 pots at each end - this would live nicely behind my DDM4K and between my 1200's).. |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 27.02.2012 | wow... i love the form factor of the original midi fighter classic and wished it had different led colors and an extra four small buttons for bank changes... huzzah! plus the extra 3 shift buttons are cool i believe the tilt+shift possibilities of this new MF could be pretty cool as part of a performance... but even without using that i still want one plus it's not like you have to go over board and hold the thing above your head for the tilty goodness to be useful. small movements to help modulate a control could be very very useful... was never over impressed with the midi fighter pro's but this looks cooooooooooool |
| Kimberly Lewark 27.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by DJDoubleYou
Now, that doesn't mean its not doable - and maybe the increased latency would still be low enough. |
| Era Roka 27.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by guywithknife
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| Kimberly Lewark 27.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Skirmitt
The lack of HID compliant MIDI on bluetooth I believe is the real deal breaker for bluetooth. The best option, for the end user and for latency, would be to build a USB base station and communicate wirelessly between the controller or base station.
Originally Posted by djproben
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| Cliff Lohman 27.02.2012 | Just read skratchworx article on this.. Cool idea there about using something like this to interact with lightshows/lasers at club.. Would really turn this into a focal point for interacting with a crowd. |
| Cliff Lohman 27.02.2012 | Must have been dreaming.. All the pics show a wire.. I thought i saw a wireless usb thing attached to it... My bad.. Would be cool tho.. |
| Ada Matzkin 28.02.2012 | ean could/should tap into this technology. |
| Danae Dumler 28.02.2012 | They were originally looking into making this wireless from what I could tell; there was a similar video a few months ago and a couple pages of speculation in the community as I recall. This is something I was working on about a year ago (the wireless thing, not the accelerometer) with a MF classic. I have a guitar hero controller that is perfectly wireless with a USB dongle; it sends IR signals like a TV remote and it works fine. But strangely enough you can't just buy the wireless mechanism itself - I would love to buy a USB dongle and a little remote interface that could be added on to any project to make the controller wireless; but the best I could find was going from USB-MIDI on the controller and getting a MIDI wireless and then MIDI-USB on the computer. But clearly somebody manufactures something like this since they're in guitar hero controllers. No idea how to find one on the open market though. |
| Ola Fornwalt 28.02.2012 | I believe it would be cool to have some kind of lazy susan/ arm acessorie to help you use other gear at the same time. |
| Cliff Lohman 28.02.2012 | Looks professional and sleak for sure.. But i dunno about the accelerometer functions.. Probly not something id get much use of unless it was wireless.. In one pic, they got a lil wireless usb plug... Is that real? How does it power the unit? Im guessing its a photo since they have the wire plugged in on the vid. Im sure the mapping will be pretty nice too.. All those presets! Id buy one if the mapping: A) gives almost as much functionality / variation as the beatmasher pro mf. B) the led feedback is visually useful - might be cool to give u visual feedback on the combos somehow (i can never remember cmbos so i dont use them now) |
| Tennie Dornburg 27.02.2012 | i love the new buttons, but as other people said.. waving it around just isn't my taste lol |
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