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A disconnect I'm noticing in the culture
Posted on: 30.12.2012 by Tatiana Verdeja
I've been noticing something more and more with gear lately on places like these community s:
What I've noticed a lot is a circlejerk built around things like cheap all-in-one controllers (S2/S4/mixtrack) that are popular with newer/less established DJs who don't have much real world experience. There are definitely a lot of newer DJs, and bedroom DJs or DJs who aren't very established, skewing the general culture by talking a lot, but not knowing what they're talking about. This works because of the anonymity. Obviously if we were talking to these people in person we'd know not to take them seriously, because we could see how unestablished they are. There's not as much discussion about high-end gear as there should be in order to encourage it's use to the newbies.

Anyone else noticed something similar?
Tamela Batara
07.01.2013
Originally Posted by whiskeyflip
I was like that too until I figured it all out.
Glad someones got it all figured out. So when you next Headlining my local gig?
Cole Maroto
07.01.2013
Originally Posted by numarkaddict
Well I would continue to defend myself but whiskey has been banned, but I will say this:

Throwing out the opinions of somebody who has used a variety of gear (regardless of time actually dj'ing) is downright ignorant. Yes, you should "value" (for lack of a better term) the opinion of somebody who has 10 years experience with all sorts of gear more than the DJ with 6 months, but dont throw out the opinion of somebody with 6 months experience and has used that same gear . Because he can still tell you about that gear , what he did and didn't like about it, and if (in his opinion) it's worth the money.

And who slams a brands gear on a website that sells that brands gear ? lol.
yup, and just because someone has been spinning or producing for 10 years doesn't make them automatically more knowledgeable than someone with 6 months to a year under their belt. some old timers get stuck in their ways and are a bit jaded, while some newer users are eager to learn, open to ideas, and ready to expand their skills.

i know a dude who has been at it for almost 13 years, only spins vinyl, and constantly trainwrecks harmonically incompatible songs over and over again. he's also never produced a track that wasn't horribly dissonant, yet he's the first person to go on about how all other djs that use laptops are terrible and are stealing his gigs. that's probably more of an exception to the rule, but i'm just sayin.
Latina Samon
06.01.2013
Originally Posted by keeb
Not that the S4's a bad controller, but when have EITHER of those artists used one? I'm honestly curious. I know Hawtin's been using x1s, a xone 92, and maschine for ages now and Loco Dice's setup was posted on the blog a few weeks back.
Saw a picture on one of their instagram of them getting a setup ready with the s4 in it. Whether they used it at the gig or not I don't know but they used it nonetheless.

SBTRKT used one in his Boiler Room too.
Tatiana Verdeja
06.01.2013
Originally Posted by MaxOne
Traktor is pro software, used by many pros
NI soundcards are pro, used by many pros
S2 has both these built in. it's not a toy (which doesn't mean toys aren't using them)

I believe traktor is moving in the right direction, they bring out a mixer (z2) instead of another "shitty all in one" and introduce post fader fx into their software.

You're saying there is a problem...
Nah, the Z2 is a great idea, same with the F1. Modular=great. Build quality for the Z2 also improved, but clearly only because it's a hardware mixer, and harder to get away with making cheaply. It's even NOT overpriced. I really praise the Z2 a lot, but I know it's a fluke, and is only because they're trying to appeal to a market that wouldn't put up with build quality like the S2/S4/F1.

But, what you're missing is that NI's moving in the WRONG direction with their intentionally locked-down business strategy. They literally won't let you map the remix decks to any controller besides the F1, so that you'll have to buy it, claiming basically that they were so inept that they "developed the hardware and software so closely that they can't figure out how to map it with anything else". But then they are perfectly able to give access to it's features to the Z2... A new piece of hardware. Plus there's the whole fiasco with the HID mode with the pio CDJS, and them not letting you map most of the controls, even though they are already sending and receiving messages successfully, just so that you can't map controls for two decks on to one CDJ.... That's just as much Pio's fault as NI's though.

I praise them for finally creating a slip mode (flux), even though they knew it wasn't something they could get away with locking down to sell more gear, because it's literally just a toggle. They did come as close as they could though in intentionally not adding any visual feedback to it whatsoever, so that you have to have a free LED on your controller AND know how to do advanced mapping in order to tell if you're in slip mode or not, if you don't have a Z2.
Hipolito Scionti
06.01.2013		Traktor is pro software, used by many pros
NI soundcards are pro, used by many pros
S2 has both these built in. it's not a toy (which doesn't mean toys aren't using them)

I believe traktor is moving in the right direction, they bring out a mixer (z2) instead of another "shitty all in one" and introduce post fader fx into their software.

You're saying there is a problem...

Originally Posted by whiskeyflip
The more NI/ whatever shitty company sells of their S2/S4/whatever other overpriced shitty controller, the more encouraged they'll be to make their new gear more like that.
...but there isn't one. Quite the opposite is actually happening in the real world
Ok Moroski
06.01.2013
Originally Posted by KS2
Not read all of this, but if an S4 is good enough for Locodice/Hawtin its good enough for anyone (I know they don't always use one).
Not that the S4's a bad controller, but when have EITHER of those artists used one? I'm honestly curious. I know Hawtin's been using x1s, a xone 92, and maschine for ages now and Loco Dice's setup was posted on the blog a few weeks back.
Tatiana Verdeja
06.01.2013
Originally Posted by numarkaddict
I understand what your saying, but if somebody asks about the s2 shouldn't everybody who's used an s2 get to talk about it? If they're asking "should I get an s2 or s4?" then what's the problem with them saying "oh I like the s2, it's worth the money."
because they don't know what they're talking about, saying its a "good" controller is not absolute, it's relative. If they haven't used lots of other gear, they have nothing to compare it to, and are speaking from an uninformed position. The issue is that these people have started to outnumber the people who actually know what they're talking about, and because of this, they're growing exponentially.

Originally Posted by numarkaddict
Of course I see the problem with somebody who's only used an s2 saying it's the greatest thing ever. But if they only have 6 months experience but has used a variety of gear should we just throw their opinion out because they're a "newbie"?
Yes. In 6 months, I don't care how much gear you've used, you haven't learned about DJing itself enough to speak against someone who's used the same gear for 10 years. Like I've said, new DJs are like teenagers who believe they know more than their parents. I was like that too until I figured it all out.

Originally Posted by numarkaddict
Either way, let the "newbies" speak, if they say something wrong it will get corrected. And they aren't the only ones allowed to speak on gear . There are so many other people on here who have experience with many other pieces of gear that if somebody asks about a controller, the s2/s4 wont be the only ones that are talked about. And if the guy that asked about the controller buys an s2/s4 because 25 out of 40 people that commented on his thread said the s2/s4, but didn't do any research, well thats on him.

Right there, this is going right over your head. There's no "corrected", because of the anonymity of the internet. Some kid who's been spinning for two weeks has his name show up just the same as a guy who's used every controller ever. When the expert "corrects" the newbie, the score is 1 to 1, even though the expert has 500 times the knowledge behind what he's saying.

And it's not JUST on him, what I keep explaining is that it affects the scene. He breeds more new DJs who will buy S2/S4s by not knowing what he's talking about, but suggesting it. The more NI/ whatever shitty company sells of their S2/S4/whatever other overpriced shitty controller, the more encouraged they'll be to make their new gear more like that.

Free market economics and voting with your patronage matter in the DJ scene a lot.
Lasandra Fontano
06.01.2013
Originally Posted by haze324
I believe he means when someone buys an S2 and says man this thing is wonderful, when they have haven't used anything else. So of course they believe it's great.
I understand what your saying, but if somebody asks about the s2 shouldn't everybody who's used an s2 get to talk about it? If they're asking "should I get an s2 or s4?" then what's the problem with them saying "oh I like the s2, it's worth the money."

Of course I see the problem with somebody who's only used an s2 saying it's the greatest thing ever. But if they only have 6 months experience but has used a variety of gear should we just throw their opinion out because they're a "newbie"?

I would say I can see whiskeys point, if he would stop saying "this is my point" or "my point is" and say something completely different each time.

Heres my point, everybody has their opinion on gear , even "newbies". And their opinions shouldn't get thrown out because they haven't been doing this for 4 or 5 years like some of us. Its not the "newbies" thats forcing other people to buy the s2/s4 or low end gear , and its not their fault that "companies like NI make crappier and crappier gear because we refuse to speak up and let the newbies say its great" I believe whiskey said something along those lines when he was saying that thats one of his millions of points. Either way, let the "newbies" speak, if they say something wrong it will get corrected. And they aren't the only ones allowed to speak on gear . There are so many other people on here who have experience with many other pieces of gear that if somebody asks about a controller, the s2/s4 wont be the only ones that are talked about. And if the guy that asked about the controller buys an s2/s4 because 25 out of 40 people that commented on his thread said the s2/s4, but didn't do any research, well thats on him.
Tatum Ansaldo
07.01.2013		I believe this thread has reached its logical conclusion.
Yong Aptekar
07.01.2013		1. I LOVE when someone I work with, or a friend shows interest in DJing and comes to me. The RGAS catches a lot of people at first, and you have yo deal with some stupidity and ignorance, but that's learning. I have found that I can learn something well on my own, but I learn the fastest when I teach. Embrace newbies (I dont, nor will ever use that word as a negative, I just believe its a good word to use)

2. As long as people buy products the companies will continue to build those products. Regardless of price. It is silly to believe that a single community will sway a large company to make a different product. No doubt it can help, but companies tell us what to buy, and we go out and buy it. We don't tell them what to make. I do believe it was Steve Jobs that said that the consumer doesnt know what they want until we tell them what they want.

3. Who cares? This thread is 14 pages long, lets go make some music.
Tamela Batara
07.01.2013
Originally Posted by whiskeyflip
I was like that too until I figured it all out.
Glad someones got it all figured out. So when you next Headlining my local gig?
Delena Katherman
07.01.2013		This is definitely relevant here:


True Professionals Don't Fear Amateurs (by Seth Godin)

Professional farmers don't begrudge the backyard gardener his tomato harvest. That's silly.

And talented mechanics certainly don't mind the antics of the Car Talk guys (or their listeners). Sooner or later, if you need a real mechanic, you'll find one, and if you don't, well, that's fine too.

A few years ago, typesetting, wedding photography, graphic design and other endeavors that were previously off limits to all but the most passionate amateurs started to become more common. The insecure careerists fought off the amateurs at the gate, insisting that it was both a degradation of their art as well as a waste of time for the amateurs. The professionals, though, those with real talent, used the technological shift to move up the food chain. It was easy to encourage amateurs to go ahead and explore and experiment... professionals bring more than just good tools to their work as professionals.

The best professionals love it when a passionate amateur shows up. The clarity and intelligence of a smart customer pushes both client and craftsman to do better work.

Gifted college professors don't fear online courses. Talented web designers don't fear cloud services. Bring them on! When you need something worth paying for, they say, we'll be here. And what we'll sell you will be worth more than we charge you.

If you're upset that the hoi polloi are busy doing what you used to do, get better instead of getting angry.
Cole Maroto
07.01.2013
Originally Posted by numarkaddict
Well I would continue to defend myself but whiskey has been banned, but I will say this:

Throwing out the opinions of somebody who has used a variety of gear (regardless of time actually dj'ing) is downright ignorant. Yes, you should "value" (for lack of a better term) the opinion of somebody who has 10 years experience with all sorts of gear more than the DJ with 6 months, but dont throw out the opinion of somebody with 6 months experience and has used that same gear . Because he can still tell you about that gear , what he did and didn't like about it, and if (in his opinion) it's worth the money.

And who slams a brands gear on a website that sells that brands gear ? lol.
yup, and just because someone has been spinning or producing for 10 years doesn't make them automatically more knowledgeable than someone with 6 months to a year under their belt. some old timers get stuck in their ways and are a bit jaded, while some newer users are eager to learn, open to ideas, and ready to expand their skills.

i know a dude who has been at it for almost 13 years, only spins vinyl, and constantly trainwrecks harmonically incompatible songs over and over again. he's also never produced a track that wasn't horribly dissonant, yet he's the first person to go on about how all other djs that use laptops are terrible and are stealing his gigs. that's probably more of an exception to the rule, but i'm just sayin.
Lasandra Fontano
06.01.2013		Well I would continue to defend myself but whiskey has been banned, but I will say this:

Throwing out the opinions of somebody who has used a variety of gear (regardless of time actually dj'ing) is downright ignorant. Yes, you should "value" (for lack of a better term) the opinion of somebody who has 10 years experience with all sorts of gear more than the DJ with 6 months, but dont throw out the opinion of somebody with 6 months experience and has used that same gear . Because he can still tell you about that gear , what he did and didn't like about it, and if (in his opinion) it's worth the money.

And who slams a brands gear on a website that sells that brands gear ? lol.
Hipolito Scionti
06.01.2013		They are two different points being made. They are exclusive from each other

1) don't recommend the s2/s4 it's shitty and will make ni carry on making shitty controllers (it hasn't)

2) ni are locking their software and hardware.

Re point 2, whatever... I got no issue with that. NI created the traktor remix decks, they created the f1 to work with it. You want something they created, you give them the money via buying an f1. That's their business.

Does serato work with out hardware? No.
Tatum Ansaldo
06.01.2013		I hope he gets the message.

Whiskeyflip,

By calling newbies inept and saying they should bow to the superior knowledge of veterans whilst also saying that every veteran here is taking part in a 'circle jerk' (google that if you dare, dear reader) AND calling the mods mall cops, I believe you've successfully managed to insult every single community member here.

This, in my view, is grounds for a ban. You may say that I've been looking for a reason, and that's true, because you have added precisely nothing to this community while trash talking pretty much everyone. I have no doubt that, following your repeated refusals to disclose your former usernames, you will return to this community you so deride under another pseudonym. If you do, please take note that your attitude was universally disliked here, and if it does not improve you will continue not to be taken seriously.

Best of luck in all your endeavours,

FEP.
Latina Samon
06.01.2013
Originally Posted by keeb
Not that the S4's a bad controller, but when have EITHER of those artists used one? I'm honestly curious. I know Hawtin's been using x1s, a xone 92, and maschine for ages now and Loco Dice's setup was posted on the blog a few weeks back.
Saw a picture on one of their instagram of them getting a setup ready with the s4 in it. Whether they used it at the gig or not I don't know but they used it nonetheless.

SBTRKT used one in his Boiler Room too.
Tatiana Verdeja
06.01.2013
Originally Posted by MaxOne
Traktor is pro software, used by many pros
NI soundcards are pro, used by many pros
S2 has both these built in. it's not a toy (which doesn't mean toys aren't using them)

I believe traktor is moving in the right direction, they bring out a mixer (z2) instead of another "shitty all in one" and introduce post fader fx into their software.

You're saying there is a problem...
Nah, the Z2 is a great idea, same with the F1. Modular=great. Build quality for the Z2 also improved, but clearly only because it's a hardware mixer, and harder to get away with making cheaply. It's even NOT overpriced. I really praise the Z2 a lot, but I know it's a fluke, and is only because they're trying to appeal to a market that wouldn't put up with build quality like the S2/S4/F1.

But, what you're missing is that NI's moving in the WRONG direction with their intentionally locked-down business strategy. They literally won't let you map the remix decks to any controller besides the F1, so that you'll have to buy it, claiming basically that they were so inept that they "developed the hardware and software so closely that they can't figure out how to map it with anything else". But then they are perfectly able to give access to it's features to the Z2... A new piece of hardware. Plus there's the whole fiasco with the HID mode with the pio CDJS, and them not letting you map most of the controls, even though they are already sending and receiving messages successfully, just so that you can't map controls for two decks on to one CDJ.... That's just as much Pio's fault as NI's though.

I praise them for finally creating a slip mode (flux), even though they knew it wasn't something they could get away with locking down to sell more gear, because it's literally just a toggle. They did come as close as they could though in intentionally not adding any visual feedback to it whatsoever, so that you have to have a free LED on your controller AND know how to do advanced mapping in order to tell if you're in slip mode or not, if you don't have a Z2.
Hipolito Scionti
06.01.2013		Traktor is pro software, used by many pros
NI soundcards are pro, used by many pros
S2 has both these built in. it's not a toy (which doesn't mean toys aren't using them)

I believe traktor is moving in the right direction, they bring out a mixer (z2) instead of another "shitty all in one" and introduce post fader fx into their software.

You're saying there is a problem...

Originally Posted by whiskeyflip
The more NI/ whatever shitty company sells of their S2/S4/whatever other overpriced shitty controller, the more encouraged they'll be to make their new gear more like that.
...but there isn't one. Quite the opposite is actually happening in the real world
Ok Moroski
06.01.2013
Originally Posted by KS2
Not read all of this, but if an S4 is good enough for Locodice/Hawtin its good enough for anyone (I know they don't always use one).
Not that the S4's a bad controller, but when have EITHER of those artists used one? I'm honestly curious. I know Hawtin's been using x1s, a xone 92, and maschine for ages now and Loco Dice's setup was posted on the blog a few weeks back.
Tatiana Verdeja
06.01.2013
Originally Posted by numarkaddict
I understand what your saying, but if somebody asks about the s2 shouldn't everybody who's used an s2 get to talk about it? If they're asking "should I get an s2 or s4?" then what's the problem with them saying "oh I like the s2, it's worth the money."
because they don't know what they're talking about, saying its a "good" controller is not absolute, it's relative. If they haven't used lots of other gear, they have nothing to compare it to, and are speaking from an uninformed position. The issue is that these people have started to outnumber the people who actually know what they're talking about, and because of this, they're growing exponentially.

Originally Posted by numarkaddict
Of course I see the problem with somebody who's only used an s2 saying it's the greatest thing ever. But if they only have 6 months experience but has used a variety of gear should we just throw their opinion out because they're a "newbie"?
Yes. In 6 months, I don't care how much gear you've used, you haven't learned about DJing itself enough to speak against someone who's used the same gear for 10 years. Like I've said, new DJs are like teenagers who believe they know more than their parents. I was like that too until I figured it all out.

Originally Posted by numarkaddict
Either way, let the "newbies" speak, if they say something wrong it will get corrected. And they aren't the only ones allowed to speak on gear . There are so many other people on here who have experience with many other pieces of gear that if somebody asks about a controller, the s2/s4 wont be the only ones that are talked about. And if the guy that asked about the controller buys an s2/s4 because 25 out of 40 people that commented on his thread said the s2/s4, but didn't do any research, well thats on him.

Right there, this is going right over your head. There's no "corrected", because of the anonymity of the internet. Some kid who's been spinning for two weeks has his name show up just the same as a guy who's used every controller ever. When the expert "corrects" the newbie, the score is 1 to 1, even though the expert has 500 times the knowledge behind what he's saying.

And it's not JUST on him, what I keep explaining is that it affects the scene. He breeds more new DJs who will buy S2/S4s by not knowing what he's talking about, but suggesting it. The more NI/ whatever shitty company sells of their S2/S4/whatever other overpriced shitty controller, the more encouraged they'll be to make their new gear more like that.

Free market economics and voting with your patronage matter in the DJ scene a lot.
Lasandra Fontano
06.01.2013
Originally Posted by haze324
I believe he means when someone buys an S2 and says man this thing is wonderful, when they have haven't used anything else. So of course they believe it's great.
I understand what your saying, but if somebody asks about the s2 shouldn't everybody who's used an s2 get to talk about it? If they're asking "should I get an s2 or s4?" then what's the problem with them saying "oh I like the s2, it's worth the money."

Of course I see the problem with somebody who's only used an s2 saying it's the greatest thing ever. But if they only have 6 months experience but has used a variety of gear should we just throw their opinion out because they're a "newbie"?

I would say I can see whiskeys point, if he would stop saying "this is my point" or "my point is" and say something completely different each time.

Heres my point, everybody has their opinion on gear , even "newbies". And their opinions shouldn't get thrown out because they haven't been doing this for 4 or 5 years like some of us. Its not the "newbies" thats forcing other people to buy the s2/s4 or low end gear , and its not their fault that "companies like NI make crappier and crappier gear because we refuse to speak up and let the newbies say its great" I believe whiskey said something along those lines when he was saying that thats one of his millions of points. Either way, let the "newbies" speak, if they say something wrong it will get corrected. And they aren't the only ones allowed to speak on gear . There are so many other people on here who have experience with many other pieces of gear that if somebody asks about a controller, the s2/s4 wont be the only ones that are talked about. And if the guy that asked about the controller buys an s2/s4 because 25 out of 40 people that commented on his thread said the s2/s4, but didn't do any research, well thats on him.
Julissa Serrone
06.01.2013
Originally Posted by numarkaddict
if they bought one and have used it then how do they not know what they're talking about? Even if they've only used it for a day. I could go out and buy one, spend a whole day using it and know a little bit of what I'm talking about.
I believe he means when someone buys an S2 and says man this thing is wonderful, when they have haven't used anything else. So of course they believe it's great.
Lasandra Fontano
06.01.2013		and you have yet to give us any of your former usernames



just saying.
Tatiana Verdeja
06.01.2013
Originally Posted by tekki
I'm just so glad you can only resort to dumbfound name-calling and still not come with any valid facts after 12 pages.
It just goes to show no one is taking you or anything you say serious.

If you believe so low of us and our community, why even bother coming back?
I have tolerated this smack talk just for arguments' sake. But if all your hollow/shallow arguments continue, I will put an end to this thread with proper resolving measurements.
Lasandra Fontano
06.01.2013
Originally Posted by whiskeyflip




the problem is all of the dumbasses who buy one and then tell everyone else they're great because they have no idea what they're talking about.
if they bought one and have used it then how do they not know what they're talking about? Even if they've only used it for a day. I could go out and buy one, spend a whole day using it and know a little bit of what I'm talking about.
Random X
06.01.2013
Originally Posted by whiskeyflip
Glad someone else doesn't mindlessly praise the moderators on this site for acting like mallcops...
I'm just so glad you can only resort to dumbfound name-calling and still not come with any valid facts after 12 pages.
It just goes to show no one is taking you or anything you say serious.

If you believe so low of us and our community, why even bother coming back?
I have tolerated this smack talk just for arguments' sake. But if all your hollow/shallow arguments continue, I will put an end to this thread with proper resolving measurements.
Latina Samon
06.01.2013		Not read all of this, but if an S4 is good enough for Locodice/Hawtin its good enough for anyone (I know they don't always use one).

I'm fairly new to djing and have had a lot of valuable help on here. But I do agree somewhat that there isn't enough talk on slightly more advanced stuff and a bit too much on choosing names/logos. I can't complain though, like I say I've had loads of help and decent advice which I'm grateful for.
Louanne Andrix
06.01.2013		So have we established whats wrong with a Newbie giving advice? There are plenty of valid things that a newbie could give advice on.

In other news
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Tonda Koney
06.01.2013		Porter Robinson rocks the S4.. I don't believe gear necessarily puts limits on the artist if anything it helps to expand their creativity as a performer. You work with what you have. I simply don't currently have the money to afford a couple of CDJ 2000's along with a mixer, the S2+F1 is just enough for what I need to mix tracks together and practice. Sure, in the future I might get myself a set of CDJ's but for someone who's in their early 20's, in college.. it just doesn't make sense if I did.
Tatiana Verdeja
06.01.2013
Originally Posted by Sambo
How dare the moderators keep the community focused on the subject the site is focused on! What a shower of bar stewards!

Why is everyone hating everyone in this thread? There should be no malice here, there's enough of it in the real world.

how could you even say this off-topic....?


Originally Posted by SlayForMoney
Well slap my face and call me crazy but.....I actually I agree with him ^^
Glad someone else doesn't mindlessly praise the moderators on this site for acting like mallcops...


Originally Posted by numarkaddict
Why does it matter if they are buying high end or low end gear? If all they can afford is an S2/S4 let em buy it. I was lucky enough to get my current set up from my uncle and a family friend. Does that make me a bad person because I'm using handed down gear and didnt spend 2k+ on my set up?

Wether its a "newbie" or veteran giving me advice, I'll consider it all. Especially if I had a question about a controller or traktor. Why? because they have more experience than me in that area. Forums are a place to get/give advice, help each other get better and grow.
I'm done responding to these. I've answered this five times in this thread and nobody's is reading it.
TL;DR you're putting words in my mouth, i didn't say there's anything wrong with buying the S2, the problem is all of the dumbasses who buy one and then tell everyone else they're great because they have no idea what they're talking about.
Lela Umanskaya
06.01.2013		Most DJs are idiots, it's not a matter of old school or new school, vinyl or cd-j or controller, most of them don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.
Lasandra Fontano
05.01.2013		Why does it matter if they are buying high end or low end gear? If all they can afford is an S2/S4 let em buy it. I was lucky enough to get my current set up from my uncle and a family friend. Does that make me a bad person because I'm using handed down gear and didnt spend 2k+ on my set up?

Wether its a "newbie" or veteran giving me advice, I'll consider it all. Especially if I had a question about a controller or traktor. Why? because they have more experience than me in that area. Forums are a place to get/give advice, help each other get better and grow.
Len Lukawski
02.01.2013
Originally Posted by photojojo
Is that it? We're finally breaking up? That's good, because your nasally snoring was driving me crazy!!!
It's not my snoring (tromblorious though it is) that's keeping us apart, it's that bloody wife of yours
Jetta Drenzek
02.01.2013		How dare the moderators keep the community focused on the subject the site is focused on! What a shower of bar stewards!

Why is everyone hating everyone in this thread? There should be no malice here, there's enough of it in the real world.
Isa Erik
02.01.2013
Originally Posted by whiskeyflip
So now you're going to insinuate that I am someone that a lot of people have discounted in the past, to convince people that I'm beign a dick now? Just because I don't have the means to prove you wrong at my disposal? We both know I'm not that person, and you're just being sly in trying to convince people I'm wrong.

Then you try to make me out to be a conspiracy theorist crazy person? Obviosuly I know you're not doing it for nefarious reasons, and I know you're intelligent enough to know I don't believe that. You specifically are just taking your job too seriously... I've watched you use your endorsed position to control arguments for YEARS, to make anyone critical shut up. You just take your job too seriosuly. Your job is not to prevent people from being critical... You believe nobody ever pointing out shortcomings means you're doing a good job... But your job is just to make sure fights don't break out over it. People not wanting to deal with being critical of one another is very short-sighted, and I've already explained how it affects the meta-scene in the long run.

I'm definitely not claiming that this is all your fault, but you've been doing your part for YEARS to keep this a circle jerk, so you can feel like you're doing a great job because nobody ever argues.
Well slap my face and call me crazy but.....I actually I agree with him ^^
Kellie Myrum
31.12.2012		It was not automatized really, I manually scrolled using M1 inc-mode lined up with M2=6 (reset to M1=0). Setting all in loop every state gives other letter in a row... I know OHM would be better but ain't I'm gonna create a MIDI cartoon anyway, just some time taken to set this up in Traktor.

Although unit does it's primary job pretty well.
Wilbert Kulczak
31.12.2012
Originally Posted by Stewe
Simplistic, yet awesome. Shoulda bought Pio gear though...from this thread it's apparent that it would have made a much higher quality scrolling Happy New Years, your gear purchasing choices were definitely misinformed
Valeri Millstein
31.12.2012		He he he... HAPPY NEW YEARS!
Yong Aptekar
31.12.2012		Aaahahahaha December 31. See, we haven't had snow in the last couple years until Mid Jan. Snow came early this year, so my internal clock must be out of sync.

See what I did there hahaha.

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