VCI-100 with Traktor Pro (4 decks/each selectable separately)
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VCI-100 with Traktor Pro (4 decks/each selectable separately) Posted on: 25.11.2008 by Herschel January Hey there DJ TT. I'm proud to announce that I've finally had time to update my .TSI, and it now has many new and improved features, along with more to come. If you like it, rate it, and leave any suggestions or improvement ideas please. ***The file is now available attached to this post*** OPERATIONS I have included a basic diagram of the buttons that are normally functional, but due to the high amount of shift states and modifiers, I will explain certain functions in more detail To start, the UP button is a global clear, so anytime you load it up, press the UP button, or mess with the filter/cue buttons until they are both green. Also, if you have the 1.3 firmware, you have to boot it up in 1.2, cause I am working on being able to have similar but not the same FX operations in 1.2 firmware, which makes other operations simpler. NOTE! This layout is trying to get the most out of VCI-100 space and Traktor Pro features. Due to the firmware, visual feedback isn't how I would like it, but for the most part there is an indication whenever you change states, or the state is a hold, and resets to 0 after you complete the action. The scratch button is a cramp in my side, but I'll add some interesting things around it that I've been figuring out in the past few days. (all buttons referenced to the included diagram) Deck operation -Deck A and C are available on the left of vci and B and D are available on the right. To switch between them, use the A, B, C, and D buttons. Green is the active deck, and orange means nothing, but it doesn't go away. -Pressing the active or green button again will activate the FX mode on the deck. Once in FX mode, chained and advanced are available by selecting the MOD button. Loop section -IMPORTANT. With any of the loop modes selected, the transport functions don't work, so if you need to use that function, deselect the loop funtion. -----Loading becomes loop out for all loop funtions--- ---With a loop mode selected, holding a-d buttons next to it toggles a shift, so that only that deck will be affected by what you change, otherwise it affects all decks--- -Loop size Clear becomes increase loop length Copy becomes decrease loop length Monitor becomes set all decks to 16 beat loop length X-fader becomes set all decks to 4 beat loop length -Loop In Clear becomes move loop in bwd Copy becomes move loop in fwd Monitor becomes set all decks to loop length move length X-fader becomes decrease all move lengths by 1 -Move Clear becomes move loop bwd Copy becomes move loop fwd Monitor becomes set all decks to loop length move length X-fader becomes decrease all move lengths by 1 FX section -The FX section, from the effect selection buttons up, only does FX. -Chained makes FX2 controlled from the 4 knobs and the 3 buttons, the usable ones light up and the farthest left knob is dry/wet. -Advanced makes FX 2 advanced controlled from the 4 knobs and the 4 buttons. -These selectors are toggles, so pressing the button will select that FX slot. -Holding the buttons also produces a mode. If you hold advanced, buttons 1-4 toggle deck a-d fx1 on, if you hold chained, buttons 1-4 toggle deck a-d fx2. While holding either of them, you can turn the left knob to select the FX in the advanced slot, or the respective right 3 to select the FX of the chained slot. Transport -The LOAD button switches you into 4 deck minimized mode, so that you can easily see your tracks. -the right jog wheel will scroll through your tracks, while the left jog wheel will scroll through the tree list. To expand a list, tap the right jog wheel. -once you've found your song, tap 1-4 below the right jog wheel. These correspond to the decks, left is A, right is D. When done loading the tracks you want, re-press preview and it will hop back to 4 deck regular mode. You have to press a deck select button on the right and left side to return you to normal mode, or press clear to get A-B decks. -Deck Copy is kinda weird, but it was the only solution that I have yet to come up with. Hold deck copy and you can copy decks. Press the 1-4 buttons below the right jog to select the deck you want to load TO, then the left 1-4 buttons below the left jog to select which deck you want to copy FROM. This has been the only way I can get this to work because of the way traktor pro copy's decks, sorry. -X-fader select basically allows you to select which side of the cross fader each deck is on. Hold it, and press 1-4 below the jogs on each respective side of the x-fader to select which side it's on. -Monitor functions just like all the other hold buttons, but instead of using the buttons below the jogs, just hold it, and use the deck select buttons that have the headphones next to them. -With ALL of the hold functions in the transport section, you have to select your decks again after you release the hold, currently. I'm working on that problem Deck modes (can be accessed by all decks) Mod/Key -the play button turns the key on or off -the pause button resets the key -the outside jogs increase/decrease the key in .25 increments -more features to come in this mode Cue mode -1-4 selects 1-4 hotcues -beatjumping feature to come -tricks with cues to come Loop mode -1-4 selects 5-8 hotcues with loop active -beatjumping feature to come Due to the complexity of this midi setup, I don't really recommend modifying it unless you have a pretty good idea of how the modifier system works in traktor pro. But as a side note, if you would like to see how to make things work with the modifiers, study this file. With a normal 2 deck layout VCI-100 setup, you have less than 100 controls you have to map. This .VSI file has the ability to map over 300 controls to a single VCI, with room to expand, however unlikely Thanks again, and enjoy DJ Phaidon | |
Herschel January 29.04.2009 |
Originally Posted by Cheek Bone
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Xavier Emanuels 20.04.2009 |
Originally Posted by orjan
I wouldnt use midi modifers and instead use Bomes which is a much much more powerful system that will give you alot more control over Traktor. |
Sunni Hendee 16.04.2009 |
Originally Posted by BentoSan
What could go wrong with Traktor Scratch Pro ? Send Monitor State sounds good but it would have to be v.2, capable of filtering out what is important for the modifierconditions used after a modifierchange. And perhaps it would also need to be an ms-delay on the monitorsend so it could be triggered from the modifierbutton without reading the wrong modifierconditions that was in use before the modifierchange. BentoSan, can you help giving me an update on the quote above regarding Bomes version history and if it could help me achive my goals with modifiers and moving faders. Also futurerequest: http://www.djranking s.com/community /sho...8&postcount=31 |
31.12.2008 | I'm basically experiencing the issue detailed here on the NI Forum: http://www.native-instruments.com/fo...ht=load+marker Funny, now it (deck load to cue) is NOT working on Ean's TSI config. And just to explain a bit further, the current Cue Point just loads to the top of the track, but the Red playhead line if you will... IS aligned properly to the Load Cue Marker in the Deck (see pic)
Originally Posted by DJPhaidon
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30.12.2008 |
Originally Posted by DJPhaidon
As a final aside Phaidon, I just returned from San Diego for a little X-Mas vacation visiting the folks, but, I didn't make it out anywhere for any evening life. |
Cecile Eyo 28.04.2009 | Many thanks for your reply I will find it now. It does amaze me why the large companies with all their resourcesm, won't or can't produce workable files. Cheers Cheek Bone |
Herschel January 29.04.2009 |
Originally Posted by Cheek Bone
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Cecile Eyo 28.04.2009 | Hiya Just found this post and having just got a VCi was wondering where the official .tsi can be found or if DJ Phaidon has his latest version? Many thanks Cheek Bone. 'I did notice that a few of the ideas from my setup and a few from Kyoti's setup have been used in the DJTT official .tsi on and off, so I would say that my .tsi overall was a success, even though it ended mostly unfinished. |
Xavier Emanuels 20.04.2009 |
Originally Posted by orjan
I wouldnt use midi modifers and instead use Bomes which is a much much more powerful system that will give you alot more control over Traktor. |
Sunni Hendee 16.04.2009 |
Originally Posted by BentoSan
What could go wrong with Traktor Scratch Pro ? Send Monitor State sounds good but it would have to be v.2, capable of filtering out what is important for the modifierconditions used after a modifierchange. And perhaps it would also need to be an ms-delay on the monitorsend so it could be triggered from the modifierbutton without reading the wrong modifierconditions that was in use before the modifierchange. BentoSan, can you help giving me an update on the quote above regarding Bomes version history and if it could help me achive my goals with modifiers and moving faders. Also futurerequest: http://www.djranking s.com/community /sho...8&postcount=31 |
Herschel January 28.03.2009 | Well, long story short, not at this time. After messing with Live a lot the last few months, and still messing with traktor, I realized that my setup would never be the way that I would like it with a VCI. I did some searching and was considering using a Korg Zero 8 to control Live and completely get rid of traktor, but then I was still unconvinced that the workflow in Live was as simple and as quick as traktor. So, after pulling my hair out on a solution, I found that the Jazzmutant Lemur was on sale at almost half price, which would be one of my ultimate solutions, so I couldn't pass it up. I already sold my VCI and am just waiting for the Lemur in the mail. I did notice that a few of the ideas from my setup and a few from Kyoti's setup have been used in the DJTT official .tsi on and off, so I would say that my .tsi overall was a success, even though it ended mostly unfinished. More tricks to come with Traktor though, cause I'm already at work making a few new tricks with my Traktor/Live hybrid setup. |
Augusta Vereecke 28.03.2009 | any updates on this tsi DJ Phidon? |
31.12.2008 | Did some practice/jamming on the Phaidon TSI this eve/early nye morning... and i'm having some fun doing some 3 deck (not quite ready for 4 just yet) action and do wish that you could find a way in loop mode, to work the transport in a least the jog wheel mode to be able to lightly nudge loops in /out. One, to correct and 2.. you can create very cool flange effects. Starting to get use to this set up though. Tomorrow, I'll bang on Ean's latest 4 deck version and see where that takes me. |
Herschel January 31.12.2008 | Noticed everything in the pic, and read the community post. Seems to be a problem for some people and not others. Interesting indeed. Hopefully NI responds with something. |
31.12.2008 | I'm basically experiencing the issue detailed here on the NI Forum: http://www.native-instruments.com/fo...ht=load+marker Funny, now it (deck load to cue) is NOT working on Ean's TSI config. And just to explain a bit further, the current Cue Point just loads to the top of the track, but the Red playhead line if you will... IS aligned properly to the Load Cue Marker in the Deck (see pic)
Originally Posted by DJPhaidon
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Herschel January 30.12.2008 | Yeah, I figured it wouldn't be that, but it was the only thing I could believe of. I even went through the assignments to see if it's possible to trigger it when loading a track, but it's only available in the config settings. Same here, except left San Diego, and was stuck in a place with no evening life and I went out every evening , sucked. We would have probably missed each other, but next time your out here, hit me up. |
30.12.2008 |
Originally Posted by DJPhaidon
As a final aside Phaidon, I just returned from San Diego for a little X-Mas vacation visiting the folks, but, I didn't make it out anywhere for any evening life. |
Herschel January 30.12.2008 | I just checked the Deck Load Que issue you were talking about blanco, and I couldn't duplicate it. It works for me. Only thing I can believe of is maybe your que wasn't set to Load maybe, not to make you sound like you don't know what you're doing, but some of my tracks have multiple Que points on top of each other for loops, grids, and regular que points, and I have ran into the problem of not setting the que to the right type at first. Speaking of which, I wish there was a way to map a keyboard key to the type of que point you wanted to set. Another thing I was trying to get done toevening was to make it so when you go into monitor select, x-fader side select, deck copy, and deck loading, the deck you were previously controlling would be controlled again after you exited that mode, but I'm still working on that issue. Due to the modifier setup, it's not as simple as returning to a zero state. I would have to use the "set default" option under each modifier, but due to a lack of documentation, I have yet to make it work. |
30.12.2008 | I have that option checked already in prefs, but it isn't working with Phaidon's TSI. On Ean's latest TSI, it works no problemo, even when switching TSI files within the same session with the app open. |
Roberto Viccione 30.12.2008 | You should be able to load that in your Settings, and should have nothing to do with the .TSI mapping. |
30.12.2008 | Just started to mess with version Phaidon 4 3-1.tsi and so far have just noticed this 1 annoyance. Can't seem to get the tracks when they load into the decks to load to their Deck Load Queue Marker. This is not an issue on Ean's TSI config. I haven't committed to diving in under the hood yet. Love the Browser Tree and Track scroll with the jog wheels. Really Cool Idea. I'm digging how the FX are working too. Just need to get familiar the controls and practice. Still need to mess with other features too. |
Herschel January 29.12.2008 | New illustrations are up showing "most" of the functionality in a new and more informative way, big thanks to mikeallison for the improvement. I still need to make one for the Deck FX mode, but will probably have to get to it tomorrow. Comments and suggestions are welcomed, cause I'm all about making this thing function easier and better for the greater good. I'm still getting back to my to-do list for this .tsi, so if you want anything added, bring it up. |
Herschel January 29.12.2008 | making it easier to understand today, and will have it up in a few hours or so |
Petra Georgianna 29.12.2008 | can you point me to the diagram? |
Herschel January 29.12.2008 | I just got done uploading it so it's available under the first post of this community as an attachment, and since it's available there, I will correct the first post accordingly. |
Petra Georgianna 29.12.2008 | [QUOTE=DJPhaidon;16419]Hey there DJ TT. I'm proud to announce that I've finally had time to update my .TSI, and it now has many new and improved features, along with more to come. If you like it, rate it, and leave any suggestions or improvement ideas please. Is this available still? |
Herschel January 28.12.2008 | How was DJTT's Christmas? Well, no Stanton SCS's in my stocking or Xone:4D under the tree this year, but I'm quite content with my current setup and will continue the upgrading of my .tsi tomorrow. I have a few new ideas that i dreamed up on the 30 hours of driving so I will try to get those thrown in quickly. I'm going to redo my illustration to be similar to mike's illustration, because I believe his version accurately shows more information than mine ever could. Also, I have been asked to make a video of how you can use my .tsi, so I'll get started on that one as soon as I've gotten all the major features in. DJ Phaidon |
22.12.2008 | How about you tube vid clip when things finally get ironed out with this config. I believe that would be helpful for a lot of users to be able to visual watch/hear your config. Great stuff though. Need to try it out. |
Hannes Deburchgraeve 18.12.2008 | Awesome work so far. As for my keyboard layout. I'm still working out some issues and adding some cool new features. I've had a chance to jam with it on TPro and have really liked it so far. I've been playing out all the time lately so it's been hard to get a evening at home to really get the last issues worked out, but I'm off next week so I play to make some real progress. I'll keep u posted. |
Herschel January 18.12.2008 | Will be out of the DJ office for about a week for the holidays, but fixes and upgrades to the .TSI will be out shortly after that. I'm also using MIDIPipe for Mac to add some enhanced features to the FX section, and will also try to program Bome's for the same functionality. Have a great christmas everyone! DJ Phaidon |
Reece Murray 12.12.2008 |
Originally Posted by DJPhaidon
Originally Posted by DJPhaidon
Originally Posted by DJPhaidon
It's kinda strange to me that soft takeover isn't an issue in T3 - I've got a really wicked 4 deck tks, but hey, I'm loving Traktor Pro so I'll hold out for the fix. Anyway, gotta give some love to the minimal set-up; often the most creativity springs from having limited tools. I still love my Casio SK-1!! |
Herschel January 12.12.2008 | Also, I totally forgot last evening
that I added some keybindings for quick beatmapping and hotcue set up. Here they are (on the numpad) Clear Delete Grid marker = Set Grid marker / Half BPM * Double BPM num + Move grid marker forward num - Move grid marker backward num enter BPM tap (on arrows) Up Increase BPM Fine Down Decrease BPM Fine Right Increase BPM Default Left Decrease BPM Default Home Store Cue/Loop End Cue Delete Page up Next cue Page down Previous cue Num 1-8 Set current Cue to hotcue of corresponding number ` Consistency Check Enter Search/Search clear on doubletap |
Herschel January 12.12.2008 | Here's a list of the modifiers used in my set up in case you would like to change or remap functions on my setup M1-1 Deck 1 M1-2 Side 1 FX M1-3 Deck 3 M2-1 Deck 2 M2-2 Side 2 FX M2-3 Deck 4 M3-1 Side 1 Normal M3-2 Side 1 Modified M3-3 Side 1 Cues M3-4 SIde 1 Loops M4-1 Side 2 Normal M4-2 Side 2 Modified M4-3 Side 2 Cues M4-4 Side 2 Loops M5-0 Normal M5-1 Loop Size M5-2 Loop In M5-3 Loop Move M6-0 Normal M6-1 Deck 1 M6-2 Deck 2 M6-3 Deck 3 M6-4 Deck 4 M7-1 FX Chained M7-2 FX Advanced M8-1 FX Chained Toggle M8-2 FX Advanced Toggle M8-4 X-fader Select M8-5 Monitor Select M8-6 Deck Copy M8-7 Deck Loading |
Herschel January 12.12.2008 |
Originally Posted by Zac Kyoti
I agree that this is a problem, and there are limited work arounds that could be used to overcome the problem, that I've discovered anyway. 1) You could put all the knobs and faders in relative mode with a really large sensitivity, that way when you switched decks, the knob you move would take over where the deck was at instead of where the knob was at. One problem with that is that the knobs could end up in a max'd out or min'd out state with no real way to reset them without clearing a deck, adjusting the knob, and then reloading a deck. 2) As with my set up, all the decks require 2 modifiers to work. So in order for a control for deck 1 to work, M1-1 and M3-1 through M3-4. Certain functions like deck copy, x-fader select, and monitor select set M1 to 0, so in essence, you have 0 functions available to use until you select decks a-d again. While in the zero state, you could adjust said knobs/sliders to the position needed for the deck to minimize the jump in parameters, but this is still a work around, not a fix so basically, I have found work arounds, but not fixes. I believe it would have to be corrected in traktor pro, cause putting 4 decks on a 2 deck controller is destined to have limitations and problems that wouldn't be encountered using a 2 deck setup. I would ultimately like to have a controller that was set up for 4 decks, but having priced out Richie Hawtin's setup, it's a little out of my reach a the moment. DJ Phaidon |
Reece Murray 12.12.2008 | DJ Phaidon, thanks for the contribution. I'm working on my own 4 deck tsi for DJTT, but until it's done I'm using Traktor jacked into Ableton to serve for additional channels. The main thing standing in the way of using 4 decks in Traktor with one VCI (for me) is this: When using modifers to switch between decks A/B and C/D, the soft takeover functionality is disabled. This leads to volume and parameter jumps that are unacceptable for me in performance. Have you looked into this during your experimentation? Any leads? I started a thread for this problem, but there have been no replies thus far... |
Herschel January 12.12.2008 | update complete, it's bed time for this guy |
Herschel January 12.12.2008 | The file has been updated. I'm moving it to my first post as well as removing all the links to the previous files. |
Herschel January 08.12.2008 | What my intensions for this .tsi is to be able to use it without any midi translators, even though I will probably check out the programs for my own sake. I have some great ideas in the works though, more so than my ability to find time for it sadly enough. 1 more day of work and I'll have ample time to hash it out. Some of the features that are upcoming -Each side deck contol will be able to control two decks and fx independently from the other side, even while the other deck is in one of the four modified modes. -Loop contol will be completely separate from the deck control, unless you are in the loop modified mode -FX will be able to be controlled in the normal spot or on each deck independently -and to top it off, I have devised a layout that should indicate most of the info regaurding the modified modes |
Xavier Emanuels 08.12.2008 |
Originally Posted by B33SON
In the current stable version of Bomes i had to send LED messages from Bomes into own midi channel and then retranslate the information with Midi-Ox again after it left Bomes *pulls hair out*. Dont even bother going there, it works i can attest to that but its a pain in the shiezer to pull off - my advice is to sign up for the beta or if you have gigs hold out for the stable version release. If you have gigs though i wouldnt recommend using the current beta in a performance situation. |
Hannes Deburchgraeve 09.12.2008 |
Originally Posted by DJPhaidon
PM me your gmail account! |
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