Turn 2 LPD8 into a MidiFighter (leds working)
Turn 2 LPD8 into a MidiFighter (leds working) Posted on: 06.02.2011 by Jacki Agrillo It's done, MidiFighter on two LPD'8 with working LED's.All Pads are set Momentarly. No cheap Toggle-On Trick. Cause i love the MidiFighter & the Mapping, i decided to convert it to my old two LPD8. When you add following Commands to your MidiFighter-Mapping, you could use it, like the MidiFighter. Well the case is that on the LPD8 Led Out won't work properly, so i never made a "serious" mapping. I decidet to use the LPD8's for FX1-4, and to monitor events. Like Phase_Monitor; BeatPhase_Monitor; MasterClip, Pan; DeckFocusSelect and so on. But now i figured out how to Trick the LPD8 out, and make LED OUT work, without BomeMIdi, MidiJoke and so on (also not properly but way more useful than now) How it's done? Instead of using the same OUT-Command like IN-Command, i use a Trick. You need an constant Signal (per example the "Beat Phase Monitor". An example on the Play Button (cause this Trick works only proper if focused Deck is played) EXAMPLE D#3 (Play) Add IN => Transport => Play/Pause (in our Example this is Channel3_D#3) now don't add the same Command for OUT (don't Add OUT => Transport => Play/Pause) use this Add OUT => Output => Beat Phase Monitor Deselect Invert & Blend Controller Range => min = -0.50 max = 0.50 (so it won't blink, it stays) very important = Modifier Conditions => Play/Pause => Device Target == 1 exactly like on this image Now what happen's is, when you hit Play, Beat Phase Monitor will send "Signals" as long the Deck is played. (it don't will blink, just blend with the right settings) So you can change DeckFocus, and it will Update the State of the LED. G#2 (Sampler/Record Button) Other Example (Modifiers/Shift G#2) In the Midifighter-Mapping is a Record/Sampler Button. Which is tricky, cause when you hit it, it goes in a SamplerMode, and when you will press in this SamplerMode, Shift + Record, you'll get in the Beatjuggle-Mode. So how you can make that you'll know in which mode you are. Well, it works like this. SamplerMode Add OUT => Global => Beat Phase Monitor Modifiers Conditions1 => M3 = 1 Modifiers Conditions2 => M2 = 0 Controller Range => min = 0.5 max = 0.5 Select INVERT Now if you press the SamplerButton, it will blend if you're in this Mode. Now if you press Shift + SamplerButton. It will begin blinking when you add the next Command in your mapping. Add OUT => Global => Beat Phase Monitor Modifiers Conditions1 => M3 = 1 Modifiers Conditions2 => M2 = 3 Controller Range => min = 0 max = 0.5 Select INVERT So now you can see in which Mode you are. C#3 (Sync) Sync Out won't work properly, so i added something similar. Done it with Add OUT => Output => Phase Monitor (the PhaseMonitor is the thing that shows you if you're synced) Cause i don't want the Phase Monitor like it is, i make some settings Controller Range => min = -0.005 max = 0.005 So the sync button only will blend if the Phase is in Sync (but sync must NOT be activated) (if you press Sync, the Led will go Off, but after 3-4 seconds it will come back , cause Sync Out is also mapped on this) D3 (Cue) Cause i use the "Deckalized Focus A&B" but want also be able to load next Tracks (in stopped Decks only) using Shift + Cue i add following Add IN => Load => Load Next Modifiers Condition1 => M7 =1 Modifiers Condition2 => Play/Pause => Device Target ==1 (now if you want you can make D3 Led monitors if other deck is in play ) Turn two LPD8 into a MidiFighter HOW TO 1.) Download LPD8 Editor Mac / Windows (How it works) 2.) Download these Config Files for LPD8 Editor (attention these files configure only scene/preset 4, all other Scenes will not affected) it contains "LPD8 Top" and "LPD8 Bottom" FILES Plug just ONE LPD8 in, start LPD8-Editor and set up (TOP) Commit Upload "LPD8 TOP" Plug LPD8 out, and plug in the other. Commit Upload "LPD8 Bottom" Now you're LPD8 got the same MidiChannel (CH3) as the Midifighter and also sends the same Note's. Now download you're favorite Mapping for the MidiFighter and add all the Commands from here. ATTENTION Be sure no other Controller sends on MidiChannel3 Be sure you set the MIDI IN and MIDI OUT to ALL PORTS in Traktor If you don't wanna modify the MidiFighter-Mapping, you could use this. Its a modified "Deckalized Focus A&B Mapping for the LPD8" i recently don't add any other functions (knobs or CC) just the MidiFighter as it is | |
Chasidy Heckenbach 24.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by Bullen
Would it be possible to make the settings in the LPD8 Editor if all else fails ?
it only uses the lpd8 bank1 and sends/recvs CC001 to CC008 for CC mode and Notes 36 to 43 for PAD mode. |
Damian Garrick 24.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by zestoi
Sorry for all questions. Would it be possible to make the settings in the LPD8 Editor if all else fails ? Thanks alot |
Chasidy Heckenbach 23.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by Bullen
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Damian Garrick 23.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by zestoi
cheers |
Chasidy Heckenbach 23.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by Bullen
just import the instant grat tsi into traktor, restart traktor and import again (both with the big import button) once you have the tsi in traktor u just run midimasher to turn your lpd8 into a midi fighter and select the right ports in traktor - job done |
Damian Garrick 23.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by zestoi
I Will give it another go toevening but from what I remember I pressed the pads they stayed lit when held but then went off after release. I would be very grateful if you could set up the map with midi fighter inst grat setting as Im useless at mapping the LPD8. I did try & failed miserably lol I appreciate all the help & troubleshooting advice much appreciated |
Chasidy Heckenbach 23.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by Bullen
[quote[Also I did notice after I did your guide & left all programs open it slowed the tempo down of the song I was playing any ideas why ?[/quote] not sure on this - but nothing afaics to do with midimasher as you don't seem to have it working yet. *unless* u have some devices to set "all ports" in or out and midi is coming in and getting used for unexpected things. make sure u never use the "all ports" option. in fact i have no idea really why they even have that as an option. |
Chasidy Heckenbach 23.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by Bullen
* in+out ports round the wrong way (u can't see the full port names so it's tricky - i should have used shorter names) the "MidiFighter1 Output" needs to be the In-Port in traktor * you're lpd8 is sending different midi to what my code is expecting. i've tried to keep it vanilla, but i did tweak mine when i first got it and tried to put it basically back to stock. theres a settings/lpd8_editor_config.txt file that u can import via the akai lpd8 editor (i should try and find out what the stock settings are for the lpd8 really - in case mine are different) i don't tend to use the instant grat (but with this emulation u can use any 4banks mf tsi anyway) but just gave it a go. couldn't get the supercombo when u press down all beatmasher buttons, using the 1.0.3 tsi, so guess it must be one before that that did the supercombo logic within the tsi itself. would be pretty easy for me (or anyone) to add the actual extra supercombo notes to my emulation code - just haven't done it as no one has requested it. you should get the supercombo effects with an older tsi tho. in theory with the pots on the lpd8 it could almost emulate a midifighter pro. the PC mode buttons could be used for the extra 4 buttons a mf pro has - only catch there is that those buttons on the lpd8 don't respond to midi so can't be lit up. to test to see if at least my emulation code is working for you... once u run it the top left pad in PAD mode should be lit up (bank A select) and pressing any of those top 4 buttons should stay lit - which will select banks B, C, D |
Jacki Agrillo 07.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by zimfella
i take a quick look at the mapping, the only 4 buttons which are the same in every mapping is B2 B3 B4 B5, the rest is different. So you had to make a lot of modifications to make this run for the LPD8, but it would be cool, cause you could adjust the lenght of the transition with the knobs. The mapping as it is, won't work for the LPD8, it would take that much time, that is better do start from scratch. |
Tatum Ansaldo 08.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by zimfella
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Chasidy Heckenbach 24.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by Bullen
Would it be possible to make the settings in the LPD8 Editor if all else fails ?
it only uses the lpd8 bank1 and sends/recvs CC001 to CC008 for CC mode and Notes 36 to 43 for PAD mode. |
Damian Garrick 24.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by zestoi
Sorry for all questions. Would it be possible to make the settings in the LPD8 Editor if all else fails ? Thanks alot |
Chasidy Heckenbach 23.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by Bullen
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Damian Garrick 23.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by zestoi
cheers |
Chasidy Heckenbach 23.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by Bullen
just import the instant grat tsi into traktor, restart traktor and import again (both with the big import button) once you have the tsi in traktor u just run midimasher to turn your lpd8 into a midi fighter and select the right ports in traktor - job done |
Damian Garrick 23.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by zestoi
I Will give it another go toevening but from what I remember I pressed the pads they stayed lit when held but then went off after release. I would be very grateful if you could set up the map with midi fighter inst grat setting as Im useless at mapping the LPD8. I did try & failed miserably lol I appreciate all the help & troubleshooting advice much appreciated |
Chasidy Heckenbach 23.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by Bullen
[quote[Also I did notice after I did your guide & left all programs open it slowed the tempo down of the song I was playing any ideas why ?[/quote] not sure on this - but nothing afaics to do with midimasher as you don't seem to have it working yet. *unless* u have some devices to set "all ports" in or out and midi is coming in and getting used for unexpected things. make sure u never use the "all ports" option. in fact i have no idea really why they even have that as an option. |
Chasidy Heckenbach 23.04.2012 |
Originally Posted by Bullen
* in+out ports round the wrong way (u can't see the full port names so it's tricky - i should have used shorter names) the "MidiFighter1 Output" needs to be the In-Port in traktor * you're lpd8 is sending different midi to what my code is expecting. i've tried to keep it vanilla, but i did tweak mine when i first got it and tried to put it basically back to stock. theres a settings/lpd8_editor_config.txt file that u can import via the akai lpd8 editor (i should try and find out what the stock settings are for the lpd8 really - in case mine are different) i don't tend to use the instant grat (but with this emulation u can use any 4banks mf tsi anyway) but just gave it a go. couldn't get the supercombo when u press down all beatmasher buttons, using the 1.0.3 tsi, so guess it must be one before that that did the supercombo logic within the tsi itself. would be pretty easy for me (or anyone) to add the actual extra supercombo notes to my emulation code - just haven't done it as no one has requested it. you should get the supercombo effects with an older tsi tho. in theory with the pots on the lpd8 it could almost emulate a midifighter pro. the PC mode buttons could be used for the extra 4 buttons a mf pro has - only catch there is that those buttons on the lpd8 don't respond to midi so can't be lit up. to test to see if at least my emulation code is working for you... once u run it the top left pad in PAD mode should be lit up (bank A select) and pressing any of those top 4 buttons should stay lit - which will select banks B, C, D |
Damian Garrick 22.04.2012 | I did have a go at setting it up using the link in your sig. Excellent instruction guide I thought I followed it completely however when playing songs in traktor & bashing away at the LPD8 nothing seems to happens. I am also using a Kontrol S2 so maybe thats conflicting? Also I did notice after I did your guide & left all programs open it slowed the tempo down of the song I was playing any ideas why ? Help getting it all sorted would be much appreciated |
Chasidy Heckenbach 23.04.2012 | if u want to emulate a midifighter in 4banks mode (for stuff like the instant grat tsi) using an lpd8 then i have a midimasher config that does exactly that. PAD mode is used for the top two rows and CC mode for the bottom two rows. link is in my sig if u wanted to try it and select the "lpd8_midifighter_4banks" config |
Damian Garrick 22.04.2012 | Can I use your mapping for just 1 LPD ? I really like the midi fighter but just cant afford to get one but this seems like just what im after |
Dacia Mccart 07.05.2011 | One idea for you, it would be very cool to make a box for these two and pus a little usb hub inside so you this would look like 1 unit. Something like this. [ame]http://i528.photobucket.com/albums/dd321/Kurbitur/mysetup/Lpd8x2.jpg[/ame] sorry for the colors. I didn't choose the right format in ai but you get the idea. |
Yajaira Grotz 07.05.2011 | Very usefull post, thank you! |
Venus Cabebe 09.02.2011 | great job in this post now i don't know if buy a midifighter to make super combos or perhaps another lpd8... super combos in the lpd8 and the adjusting knobs sounds perfect but i don't know if i will can program all without loosing my custom tsi with kills,key,beatjump,seek position.... |
Jacki Agrillo 08.02.2011 | so i did the Monitor-Events Mapping for the Top LPD8. You can Monitor
all is explained in POST2 of this Thread |
Arcelia Siebeneck 08.02.2011 | I believe there's a time limit on editing old posts? (maybe a week?) |
Hanna Ridenbaugh 07.02.2011 | cheers well I was looking for an excuse to buy a midi fighter and believe I just got one |
Jacki Agrillo 07.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by zimfella
i take a quick look at the mapping, the only 4 buttons which are the same in every mapping is B2 B3 B4 B5, the rest is different. So you had to make a lot of modifications to make this run for the LPD8, but it would be cool, cause you could adjust the lenght of the transition with the knobs. The mapping as it is, won't work for the LPD8, it would take that much time, that is better do start from scratch. |
Tatum Ansaldo 08.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by zimfella
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Hanna Ridenbaugh 07.02.2011 | do you reckon the new midifighter fx combo map will work on the lpd8's? thanks |
Ralph Alderette 06.02.2011 | great post. thanks for all your help |
Jacki Agrillo 06.02.2011 |
oh, you meant dibs
in school i learned words like Screwdriver, ScrewNut, Retinal blood vessels ?? but never how to write dibs |
Tatum Ansaldo 06.02.2011 | oh, you meant dibs. |
Jacki Agrillo 06.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
For my future extended LPD8 MidiFighter Idea. And if anyone other got ideas to this project, just post it. Not assigned are 16 Knobs & 16 Pads (Velocity) i decided to make first just one proper Scene, and if all works like i will. I add Scene 1; 2; 3 (LPD8 Editor), but on every scene is the MidiFighter (Pad/Note Mode) Just the CC-Mode is different in the scene's. At least one Knob (modifier) will also be the same in every scene. The Rest is under construction. |
Tatum Ansaldo 06.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by StuC
Originally Posted by StuC
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Tatum Ansaldo 06.02.2011 | Epic post! |
Leeanna Ayla 06.02.2011 | Great work. |
Jacki Agrillo 06.02.2011 | so its done, LPD8 MIDIFIGHTER Monitor Mod (just for the TOP LPD) Cause you can switch between two layers in a Scene, i transfer my old LPD8 Mapping to this one. YOU CAN MONITOR (switch throug Mode's with Knob 8 (TOP row)) when you plug LPD in, or start Traktor, Knob 8 MUST BE ON MIN in VolumeMode
(the Pads are) A-Vol-Max........A-Vol-inc...........A-Vol-dec...........A-Vol-Min B-Vol-Max........B-Vol-inc...........B-Vol-dec...........B-Vol-Min like in this Video (turn off your Speakers...please) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj2C2E36sTc in Pan/DeckBalanceMode
Shift............Pan-0.33...........Pan-0.66..............Pan-1 (left Channel Mute) PanReset......Pan-0.33...........Pan-0.66..............Pan-1 (right Channel Mute) the same as the PeakMeter, just for the selected Deck, and you can rapidly switch the Pan from left to right, or reset, or or or or... (for what use the Pan/DeckBalance, well, old songs, (example Beatles) are recorded in 2 Channel, One Channel Lyrics / One Channel Music in "StepSequencerMode"
Shift...............Tempo Bend-...........TempoBend+..............PhaseSync (DeckA) SetTempo128Bpm(Shift 96Bpm).......Tempo Bend-...........TempoBend+..............PhaseSync (DeckB) this is the coolest Mode if you don't use Sync. It's working for EDM, search songs with 128BPM, now Press Shift+PAD1(first in bottom row), now the MasterTempo is 96BPM(sync on decks must be off), that means the Pads will light up on every Beat. I love that. now you can mix 96BPM in (like on this Video, this video, shows just how the Led's will act) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI_Co1vFCNQ the pads act just like that, you don't got a real stepsequencer. Try it... i can't really explain what i'm talking about. in MidiPanicMode
This Mode you can make with your ideas So when you will use the MidiFighter as it is, you need just the Files from POST1, but if you wanna add some "inteligent" monitor features. you can use this in the Zip-File. Step by Step
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