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Help me decide on a midi capable scratch mixer

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Help me decide on a midi capable scratch mixer Posted on: 08.01.2012 by Ninfa Mazariegos I'm trying to decide on what kind of mixer to go with for my ideal dvs setup. What I do know that I want in a setup is- 2 technics (for scratching and other turntablism routines), Traktor scratch pro 2 with the audio 10 (for ultimate connectivity), and 1 midi fighter pro (for cue hopping and beatmashing) What I'm looking for in a mixer is one that is midi capable, has an excellent adjustable crossfader for scratching, can be used with just the turntables for vinyl only (no dvs) or all midi without the turntables (with just the midifighter, soundcard, and traktor for portability) and have as much control over traktor as I do now with just my herc controller (lots of buttons). Does such a beast exist?
Tashia Mcdunn 12.03.2012	wow... thats too much for a used 707! If there was a compelling 2 channel to upgrade to then I would be tempted to sell mine... About a month or two ago I saw the X5 selling on amazon for less than $200 bucks. I kinda wish I would have picked one up for that price. Originally Posted by djfunke I like the fader adjustment settings of the pioneer 707. The last few 707's that I've seen on ebay went for around $350! It's rediculous what people are paying for them. I've been reading up on the midi version of the ecler nuo 4, and I really like the look of it. Midi mappable center channels with chunky push button knobs, wide mid eq, pre/post fx send and return for future possible kaoss pad fun, and the x-fader can be replaced with an innofader. Just wish I could find a used one.
Brinda Sirman 12.03.2012	Originally Posted by Sherlock Ohms Because if you play out, you then have to lug your mixer with you to every gig, and swap outy the house one for yours. Quite a few owners/sound guys will hit the roof if you try this. If you've got an interface/controllers you can work aroundor use the house mixer ... Very true but you can pick up an audio 6 or audio 4 for cheap and then a pair of dicers for club use. also just responding to the thread that he wants a scratch certified mixer and I believe that's the best deal right now with the price drop.
Spencer Kilcoyne 12.03.2012	Originally Posted by hayden14 You can get a DJM T1 brand new for $850 with tsd2 and upgrade to tsp2 for $80 why buy anything else since its a scratch mixer, midi controller, and certified sound card in one Because if you play out, you then have to lug your mixer with you to every gig, and swap outy the house one for yours. Quite a few owners/sound guys will hit the roof if you try this. If you've got an interface/controllers you can work aroundor use the house mixer ...
Tashia Mcdunn 06.03.2012	Originally Posted by djfunke How much would you say would be a reasonable amount to pay for one in good condition? Probably around $200 +-40
Lilliana Perris 05.03.2012	Originally Posted by photojojo I've thought about selling my 1600 and could maybe be persuaded to bundle a scratch upgrade along with it. What you got your eye on Captain??
Ninfa Mazariegos 05.03.2012	Originally Posted by jimbrowski00 look for a used djm 707 thats my recommendation for an inexpensive scratch mixer How much would you say would be a reasonable amount to pay for one in good condition?
Cesar Bores 17.01.2012	Originally Posted by photojojo Yes, as long as you have Traktor Pro 2 already. Sweet! Thanks, I had never seen that box up so close.
Leeanna Ayla 17.01.2012	Originally Posted by punkpc Really? Has this been tested? Yes, as long as you have Traktor Pro 2 already.
Bertie Metro 17.01.2012	Originally Posted by djfunke The price of the Audio 10 is $669 The price of an upgrade from a certified mixer is about half at $339 The price of an upgrade from thje s4 is $139 Damn!:eek: I was believeing the upgrade price from a certified mixer would be closer to the price of an upgrade from the s4! It almost doesn't seem like a bad idea to go with the audio 10 when you consider the software is half the price, and considering that I would most likely have to use the club's mixer when using their turntables...But then I would still be out of much needed midi control. Why does this have to be so complicated?!! Yep keep that in mind, if you ever want to play outside. Because imo, if you have great gear at home, when you go to club the setup is different, and if you don't have a native soundcard, the probability of the club having a certified mixer is very slim, and you'd be f''''ked, midi or no midi control on the mixer.
Cesar Bores 16.01.2012	Originally Posted by photojojo The S4 upgrade works with any certified mixer or soundcard. Really? Has this been tested?
Ninfa Mazariegos 13.03.2012	Ended up buying that tsp2 + x1! Yay more buttons!
Ninfa Mazariegos 12.03.2012	A guy is offering me a lightly used 6mo old TSP2 (software/audio10/cables/timecodes) and an X1 with gig bag for $600. What do you guys believe about that deal?
Tashia Mcdunn 12.03.2012	wow... thats too much for a used 707! If there was a compelling 2 channel to upgrade to then I would be tempted to sell mine... About a month or two ago I saw the X5 selling on amazon for less than $200 bucks. I kinda wish I would have picked one up for that price. Originally Posted by djfunke I like the fader adjustment settings of the pioneer 707. The last few 707's that I've seen on ebay went for around $350! It's rediculous what people are paying for them. I've been reading up on the midi version of the ecler nuo 4, and I really like the look of it. Midi mappable center channels with chunky push button knobs, wide mid eq, pre/post fx send and return for future possible kaoss pad fun, and the x-fader can be replaced with an innofader. Just wish I could find a used one.
Brinda Sirman 12.03.2012	Originally Posted by Sherlock Ohms Because if you play out, you then have to lug your mixer with you to every gig, and swap outy the house one for yours. Quite a few owners/sound guys will hit the roof if you try this. If you've got an interface/controllers you can work aroundor use the house mixer ... Very true but you can pick up an audio 6 or audio 4 for cheap and then a pair of dicers for club use. also just responding to the thread that he wants a scratch certified mixer and I believe that's the best deal right now with the price drop.
Spencer Kilcoyne 12.03.2012	Originally Posted by hayden14 You can get a DJM T1 brand new for $850 with tsd2 and upgrade to tsp2 for $80 why buy anything else since its a scratch mixer, midi controller, and certified sound card in one Because if you play out, you then have to lug your mixer with you to every gig, and swap outy the house one for yours. Quite a few owners/sound guys will hit the roof if you try this. If you've got an interface/controllers you can work aroundor use the house mixer ...
Ninfa Mazariegos 09.03.2012	I like the fader adjustment settings of the pioneer 707. The last few 707's that I've seen on ebay went for around $350! It's rediculous what people are paying for them. I've been reading up on the midi version of the ecler nuo 4, and I really like the look of it. Midi mappable center channels with chunky push button knobs, wide mid eq, pre/post fx send and return for future possible kaoss pad fun, and the x-fader can be replaced with an innofader. Just wish I could find a used one.
Tashia Mcdunn 06.03.2012	Originally Posted by djfunke How much would you say would be a reasonable amount to pay for one in good condition? Probably around $200 +-40
Lilliana Perris 05.03.2012	Originally Posted by photojojo I've thought about selling my 1600 and could maybe be persuaded to bundle a scratch upgrade along with it. What you got your eye on Captain??
Brinda Sirman 05.03.2012	You can get a DJM T1 brand new for $850 with tsd2 and upgrade to tsp2 for $80 why buy anything else since its a scratch mixer, midi controller, and certified sound card in one
Ninfa Mazariegos 05.03.2012	Originally Posted by jimbrowski00 look for a used djm 707 thats my recommendation for an inexpensive scratch mixer How much would you say would be a reasonable amount to pay for one in good condition?
Tashia Mcdunn 05.03.2012	look for a used djm 707 thats my recommendation for an inexpensive scratch mixer
Ninfa Mazariegos 02.03.2012	After much contemplation, I feel I may just get an audio 10 and tsp2 second hand if I can. I posted a wtb add in the buy and sell section and now am just waiting for approval. As far as a mixer, I was believeing about going with a second hand vestax pcm-07 or something similar and getting an x1 or the up and coming f2 for midi control. This I feel will give me the most the flexible setup that I can buy as I can afford.
Cesar Bores 17.01.2012	Originally Posted by photojojo Yes, as long as you have Traktor Pro 2 already. Sweet! Thanks, I had never seen that box up so close.
Leeanna Ayla 17.01.2012	Originally Posted by punkpc Really? Has this been tested? Yes, as long as you have Traktor Pro 2 already.
Bertie Metro 17.01.2012	Originally Posted by djfunke The price of the Audio 10 is $669 The price of an upgrade from a certified mixer is about half at $339 The price of an upgrade from thje s4 is $139 Damn!:eek: I was believeing the upgrade price from a certified mixer would be closer to the price of an upgrade from the s4! It almost doesn't seem like a bad idea to go with the audio 10 when you consider the software is half the price, and considering that I would most likely have to use the club's mixer when using their turntables...But then I would still be out of much needed midi control. Why does this have to be so complicated?!! Yep keep that in mind, if you ever want to play outside. Because imo, if you have great gear at home, when you go to club the setup is different, and if you don't have a native soundcard, the probability of the club having a certified mixer is very slim, and you'd be f''''ked, midi or no midi control on the mixer.
Sharri Kenimer 17.01.2012	This choice is a no brainer IMO. I'd go for the X1600 hands down. The crossfader on the 1600 is really nice, same click feel as the Vestax. It has some nice FX including the BeatBreaker, everything mappable, its 4 channels AND certified.
Cesar Bores 16.01.2012	Originally Posted by photojojo The S4 upgrade works with any certified mixer or soundcard. Really? Has this been tested?
Leeanna Ayla 15.01.2012	The S4 upgrade works with any certified mixer or soundcard.
Ninfa Mazariegos 14.01.2012	The price of the Audio 10 is $669 The price of an upgrade from a certified mixer is about half at $339 The price of an upgrade from thje s4 is $139 Damn!:eek: I was believeing the upgrade price from a certified mixer would be closer to the price of an upgrade from the s4! It almost doesn't seem like a bad idea to go with the audio 10 when you consider the software is half the price, and considering that I would most likely have to use the club's mixer when using their turntables...But then I would still be out of much needed midi control. Why does this have to be so complicated?!!
Ninfa Mazariegos 14.01.2012	I found this page of certified mixers from the native instruments site, and it lists mixers that are certified. http://www.native-instruments.com/in...ed&L=1&rdrctd= Are these the ONLY mixers that are certified? Why don't they list the pioneer DJM-T1?
Ninfa Mazariegos 14.01.2012	I keep looking at that red vestax and I can't help but believe how sick that mixer would look next to mf pro dressed in red. I'm just trying to picture how I would map it. I would most certainly need the mf pro to have any where close to the control that I have now with my herc controller. I would also need to use of the mf extra buttons as shift buttons to switch between mashing and cue buttons, deck orientation, and some way to have decent control over the sample decks. I also have not seen any information that specifically says that it is Traktor scratch certified. Now does anyone know what the top left knobs are for? I can't seem to find a close enough picture or description, so I would assume for the mic? If I can map those tiny cue faders to some fx of some sort, that would be pretty sick! Of course, if I got the Denon, I would have all sorts of control over Traktor functions, but would miss out on those fantastic vestax faders. Oh, decisions, decisions...
Ninfa Mazariegos 14.01.2012	Well, I've ben watching videos on the the dnx1600 and the vestax, and wow, the denon sure does have a ton of functions. More so it seems than the pioneer, and is a few hundred dollars less. The vestax doesn't have as much midi capably, but it seems like it's greatest feature is the crossfader and line fader adjustability. I'm just hoping that combined with a midi fighter pro, that I would have enough knobs at my disposal if I choose to go with the vestax.
Celestine Porebski 14.01.2012	If you're mixing externally, you use the mixer's controls for all the important stuff (gain, volume, eq) regardless if you input the sound via RCAs or the mixer's interface. In both cases you feed the sound to the mixer's different channels and the mixer takes it from there
Ninfa Mazariegos 14.01.2012	Sorry about my mixer noobness, I guess that does seem kind of silly that I would not be able to use the EQ's when my audio would be coming out of the mixers card no matter if an input was given via rca input or usb. I just assumed I would not be able to use them.
Ninfa Mazariegos 13.01.2012	Now I'm sort of confused. If I were to use Traktor scratch Pro 2 with the vestax mixer, would I still have control over the EQ's without the turntables? I'm assuming I can only use EQ's with an audio source running into the inputs. If I can use the EQ's no matter what, and just can't map them for something else, that's not a huge issue then.
Celestine Porebski 13.01.2012	Originally Posted by mostapha I'm a bit confused as to why someone would buy a mixer just to map all of the mixer functions to software, especially when so many people are convinced that analog audio gear sounds better (some of it undoubtedly does). This confuses the hell out of me as well.
Dorie Scelzo 13.01.2012	Originally Posted by djfunke So I watched a video on the vestax unit, and they said that everything from the buttons on down are midi mappable, so that leads me to believe that the eq's are not. So now it seems that the denon dnx1600 and the pioneer djm-t1 are my two best options. Hopefully, some other mixers become available here soon after namm. Anything released at NAMM won't be in stores for several months at least. Why would you want the EQs mappable? While there is a difference, Vestax EQs don't sound any worse than Traktor's (IMHO). Frankly, I'm surprised that the faders are mappable. I expected it was just the center section. I'm a bit confused as to why someone would buy a mixer just to map all of the mixer functions to software, especially when so many people are convinced that analog audio gear sounds better (some of it undoubtedly does).
Jody Goman 13.01.2012	Originally Posted by Lineypirate Ha, I briefly had one too...... I guess we all have to kiss a few frogs before we find our princess! Dont you kiss the frogs to get the prince??? Either way, i prefer slaying a few dragons to get to the princess....
Ninfa Mazariegos 13.01.2012	So I watched a video on the vestax unit, and they said that everything from the buttons on down are midi mappable, so that leads me to believe that the eq's are not. So now it seems that the denon dnx1600 and the pioneer djm-t1 are my two best options. Hopefully, some other mixers become available here soon after namm.
Leeanna Ayla 13.01.2012	You would need an NI sound card to use the DDM4000. Do some serious research on the DDM4000. It's a quirky mixer that's not really what it seems to be.

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