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Advanced H.I.D CDJ 900/2000 Traktor
Posted on: 13.07.2012 by Jerome Drieling
Official update status - Traktor (Scratch) Pro
Christiane Calamaco
27.07.2012
Originally Posted by GeekGod
This is pretty fantastic! On top of this great news comes a new syncing utility called rekord buddy which can sync traktor <-> rekord box:

http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/20923221-introducing-rekord-buddy-a-syncing-tool-for-rekordbox

http://t.co/sSrc1wVU
I made this it's own thread as I believe it to be a genius idea that needs to be talked about more, so you can find the thread here:

http://community .djranking s.com/showthread.php?t=55714
Rochel Gleese
25.07.2012
Originally Posted by ksandvik
Tech-politics, most likely.
And we all feel like a child in the middle of our parents fights.

http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...-the-cover-art

http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...o-advanced-hid
Christiane Calamaco
25.07.2012
Someone post a freakin' video using the 2000's with some'o'dat HID ADVANCED SUPPORT!!!
Shantae Faile
24.07.2012
anyone got a shot of the screen info looks like on CDJ-900's on 2.5.1 vs 2.1.2 or 2.5?

gonna be getting a new pair of decks within the next few weeks and really not looking at 2000's but the screens are tempting...
Celine Surico
24.07.2012
Originally Posted by ekwipt
Hopefully Pioneer can open up advancd hid a bit more then
Tech-politics, most likely.
Rochel Gleese
24.07.2012
Originally Posted by defmd
The NI team responded that it is a hardware limitation of the advanced HID Format.
Hopefully Pioneer can open up advancd hid a bit more then
Rosina Steinkuehler
24.07.2012
Originally Posted by dj gullum
Rekord buddy is insanly cool. You can play at home with traktor set up all you cuepoints tags or what ever sync it to rekordbox do some extra stuff if you like and you now have same songs in traktor and rekorbox with exact same cue point. You can then play the same setup no mather if you use traktor or a USB thump drive
We are getting CDJ's 2000 in our club now so now I can choose between bringing my laptop or just USB drive and be able to do the same set.
That is what I was believeing - sync with rekordbox and export your set to USB as backup and you have the same material on traktor and CDJs. This might be the best of BOTH WORLDS!!
Ashanti Andreacchio
24.07.2012
Rekord buddy is insanly cool. You can play at home with traktor set up all you cuepoints tags or what ever sync it to rekordbox do some extra stuff if you like and you now have same songs in traktor and rekorbox with exact same cue point. You can then play the same setup no mather if you use traktor or a USB thump drive
We are getting CDJ's 2000 in our club now so now I can choose between bringing my laptop or just USB drive and be able to do the same set.
Rosina Steinkuehler
24.07.2012
This is pretty fantastic! On top of this great news comes a new syncing utility called rekord buddy which can sync traktor <-> rekord box:

http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/20923221-introducing-rekord-buddy-a-syncing-tool-for-rekordbox

http://t.co/sSrc1wVU
Gigi Weese
24.07.2012
The NI team responded that it is a hardware limitation of the advanced HID Format.
Rochel Gleese
23.07.2012
I'm guessing they'll try and improve on the pioneer info in relation to Traktor? Or better yet make it user configurable like you can in Traktor.

Either way amazballs makes me want CDJ2000s!
Gigi Weese
23.07.2012
Side by side view of Traktor Advanced HID and Pioneers Rekordbox on the CDJ 2000 on version 2.5.1. It's still missing some vital info but it is a huge improvement.

Hosea Cremer
23.07.2012
traktor 2.5.1 update is out on the native instruments website, now with advanced HID!

What's new in TRAKTOR 2.5.1?

KEY FEATURES:

Pioneer CDJ Advanced HID display integration

Browser (CDJ 900 / 2000)
Cover Art (CDJ 2000)
Stripe (CDJ 2000)
Cue Points (CDJ 900 / 2000)


Improved General CDJ Integration (CDJ400 / 900 / 2000 / MEP7000) in order to match original CDJ behavior

Play / Cue Button behavior
Loop In / Out Button behavior
Track Search Button behavior
Implemented CDJ Mode


ANALYSIS:

Changing BPM Range in Preferences does no longer affect ongoing Analysis job


BROWSER / COLLECTION:

FLAC year tag is now preserved when importing files to collection
"Select All" entry now available in Context Menu of Playlists and Folders
Browser view switches back to source list after drag & drop
Tracks can again be moved to Playlists via drag & drop from deck into browser window
M3U export now again exporting file names and paths
"Load Previous" now again working in conjunction with Preferences option "Only load into stopped Deck"
Remix Set now displayed on top of contents list for faster loading via drag & drop
Fixed saving of Remix Sets containing identically named samples


CONTROLLER MANAGER:

Fixed Modifier condition "Hotcue Type"


EFFECTS:

FX snapshot no longer ignores first FX knob


KEYLOCK:

Keylock Eco mode fixed
Fixed crackling audio and syncing issues in conjunction with Keylock


REMIX DECKS:

New preference option for Remix Decks "One-Shot Samples Ignore Quantize Mode"
Drag & drop of Remix Sets now possible on entire area of Remix Decks, including Micro Deck View
Dragging a sample on waveform of sample deck now replaces the sample
Fixed prelistening of Remix Decks


TIMECODE:

Software Hotcues and CDJ Cue button can be seamlessly used side by side
Dropping needle into lead-in now again jumps to start of track
Improved drift prevention for Relative Vinyl Timecode
Random switching from Absolute to Relative Timecode does not occur anymore
Fixed cue point drifting for Relative CD Timecode


TRACK DECKS:

Tempo Tapping precision and robustness (TAP) improved
Synchronization no longer ignores second and following grid markers
Fixed Cue Point inaccuracy visible in zoomed in Waveform


TRAKTOR KONTROL F1:

New preference option to swap F1 Mute and Stop behavior


TRAKTOR KONTROL S4/S2:

Channel Clip LED on S2/S4 now again working
Kasi Marget
20.07.2012
Originally Posted by LXJ
I thought hooking up with USBs would skip the audio6/10 part completely.
It does.

2nd post here : community .djranking s.com/community display.php?f=31
Rodger Seferovic
20.07.2012
I thought hooking up with USBs would skip the audio6/10 part completely.
Kasi Marget
19.07.2012
I don't know what you're talking about. With timecode, no mapping is involved.
Rodger Seferovic
18.07.2012
Originally Posted by dope
Yes sir.


I believe the biggest point in the update is :


This was horrible, and the reason why I dropped timecode with my CDJs.
They were aware of this for months (years ?) and "fixed" it just now, and that won't make me go back to Traktor.
Would I still use traktor's effects or just the ones built in the mixer. How about looping and pressing play? All mapped to the CDJ?
Kasi Marget
18.07.2012
Originally Posted by LXJ
Sorry to ask a stupid question. I've always been using a a controller with Traktor but with this update it seems like its relevant to just forgo the controller and user the club's CDJ. However, correct me if I'm wrong but I can now:

Plug both USBs from the CDJ into the 2 slots of the MBP and then route the audio to the mixer (rane). So the laptop just acts as a music source?
Yes sir.


I believe the biggest point in the update is :
Fixed cue point drifting for Relative CD Timecode
This was horrible, and the reason why I dropped timecode with my CDJs.
They were aware of this for months (years ?) and "fixed" it just now, and that won't make me go back to Traktor.
Rodger Seferovic
18.07.2012
Sorry to ask a stupid question. I've always been using a a controller with Traktor but with this update it seems like its relevant to just forgo the controller and user the club's CDJ. However, correct me if I'm wrong but I can now:

Plug both USBs from the CDJ into the 2 slots of the MBP and then route the audio to the mixer (rane). So the laptop just acts as a music source?
Alla Bluemke
16.07.2012
Its just more options. Its having to keep to libraries updated. Rekord box and say itunes or whatever. Then uploading that to a thumb drive. You may say its easy to re-upload songs and it certainly is, but its another step.

Don't get me wrong, I believe its retarded to bring and play with a laptop on CDJ2000s when you have thumb drives. Thats all I do at the gigs that do have that gear . But many people are just plain hooked on traktor, its waveforms, looping functions, and effects. With a DJM 900 all you need to do is hook up the the USB and you have most everything ready to go, with all the DJM 900 effects at your disposal. PLus if you brought say a small midi controller, ala x1 for effects you can layered effects and create some cool sounds.
Celine Surico
16.07.2012
Most DJs have laptops, many use Traktor, it's just a win-win for those customers. As I said, if you like Traktor, no need for RekordBox. This is especially true for controller DJs, S2/S4 et rest that need to do club DJs with CDJs from time to time.

PS: I'm experimenting with using Traktor and just a laptop as it is for controlled mixes for podcasts -- so far this works really well! Can't do with RekordBox.
Jerome Drieling
16.07.2012
sync, cdj 900 screen aint as nice as looking at a nice waveform on your laptop, autogain , midi , complete with the next best thing to mixing on a 1210 , the cdj 900 ,2000 what more could you ask for
Nancey Inderlied
16.07.2012
Originally Posted by ksandvik
That's exactly what I tried to convey. Bring your Traktor/Laptop and some spare USB sticks for backup in case laptop is bad and you are in business in seconds at the club. Plus you get all the work you put into your Traktor database a part of the DJ set.

Or take Traktor with your favorite controller. Or heck, use Traktor as it is with the laptop itself. You can't beat a big screen with info compared with two line LCD displays...

As for Traktor's browser, it's quite usable, just need to learn to use it. Anyway, as I said, if you bought into Traktor in the first place.
If you believe browsing and preparing on CDJ2k/900s is harder and more restrictive than in Traktor, you don't seem to have very much experience with the CDJs. With a Rekordbox drive, you have actual browse and sort abilities, something Trakor desperately needs, and data tags aren't restricted to a single line. My point is that when you add the laptop over the USBs, you actually lose comfort and flexibility. The laptop should be the backup in this equation.

Originally Posted by manchild
I dont own CDJ2k's. I have evrything set up, organized, and ready to go in Traktor which is on my laptop. I'm not going to spend time setting up music in recordbox since I do not own a CDJ that uses recordbox, the time outweighs the benefit. Do you understand now? There are many others in the same boat.
If you regularly play on CDJ2ks, setting up a Rekordbox drive with your entire database takes around 3 clicks and an hour or so, and from there on gives you access to a far superior browsing system, and frees you from having to set up and configure a laptop. I've had people I tech for literally download Rekordbox on stage, and use it linked in for the entire show, fully analyzed. Either that, or since your bringing the laptop in anyway, just set your controller up on a pillow or something, which actually involves plugging less things in than using HID.
Addie Engbrecht
16.07.2012
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
They've already had that ability since 2001. And it's never involved the extrenuous step of setting up a laptop, configuring your audio, and then routing it. Why on earth rolling up with and setting up a gdmf laptop is considered an advantage over plugging in and linking a USB drive is far beyond me.

Traktor doesn't have any feature advantages that aren't rendered borderline moot by it's absolute clusterfuck of a browser. Thats why I always scratch my head a bit whenever people say that Trakor is easier when compared to a Rekordbox drive.
I dont own CDJ2k's. I have evrything set up, organized, and ready to go in Traktor which is on my laptop. I'm not going to spend time setting up music in recordbox since I do not own a CDJ that uses recordbox, the time outweighs the benefit. Do you understand now? There are many others in the same boat.
Celine Surico
16.07.2012
Originally Posted by guiltyblade
The point isn't really for someone at home. Its more along the lines for a club. If a club has CDJ 2000s and a DJM 900, and you only mix on your laptop, then rest easy, all you need to do is bring your laptop. No controller needed, no unplugging anything, super easy switches between djs.
That's exactly what I tried to convey. Bring your Traktor/Laptop and some spare USB sticks for backup in case laptop is bad and you are in business in seconds at the club. Plus you get all the work you put into your Traktor database a part of the DJ set.

Or take Traktor with your favorite controller. Or heck, use Traktor as it is with the laptop itself. You can't beat a big screen with info compared with two line LCD displays...

As for Traktor's browser, it's quite usable, just need to learn to use it. Anyway, as I said, if you bought into Traktor in the first place.
Nancey Inderlied
16.07.2012
Originally Posted by guiltyblade
The point isn't really for someone at home. Its more along the lines for a club. If a club has CDJ 2000s and a DJM 900, and you only mix on your laptop, then rest easy, all you need to do is bring your laptop. No controller needed, no unplugging anything, super easy switches between djs.
They've already had that ability since 2001. And it's never involved the extrenuous step of setting up a laptop, configuring your audio, and then routing it. Why on earth rolling up with and setting up a gdmf laptop is considered an advantage over plugging in and linking a USB drive is far beyond me.

Traktor doesn't have any feature advantages that aren't rendered borderline moot by it's absolute clusterfuck of a browser. Thats why I always scratch my head a bit whenever people say that Trakor is easier when compared to a Rekordbox drive.
Alla Bluemke
16.07.2012
The point isn't really for someone at home. Its more along the lines for a club. If a club has CDJ 2000s and a DJM 900, and you only mix on your laptop, then rest easy, all you need to do is bring your laptop. No controller needed, no unplugging anything, super easy switches between djs.
Addie Engbrecht
15.07.2012
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
That actually makes zero sense when I really believe about it. But when I really believe about it, I don't understand HID at all.

Anybody want to shed some light on why you'd pay $3200 for a giant S4 with the mixer lopped off? The entire design philosophy of CDJs is not dealing with the bloated impenetrable bullshit that is Traktor, and not having to lug around and set up a laptop. First person to say "Traktor has effects" gets a massive facepalm.
Advanced HID integration is something that also benifits those who use traktor and use the house cdj2k's at various clubs.
Nancey Inderlied
15.07.2012
Originally Posted by dj preset
i ll give a reason ..i can use my midi fighter and my cdjs will work the same as they had a cd or usb in them , they will last longer then a s4 , i have had one . ok i will admit i use that sync now and again aswell , rekord box is less stable than traktor , and i get to choose my own ext mixer
But why would you waste so much money on CDJs? Why not spend a third of the money on another pile of controllers?
Jerome Drieling
15.07.2012
i ll give a reason ..i can use my midi fighter and my cdjs will work the same as they had a cd or usb in them , they will last longer then a s4 , i have had one . ok i will admit i use that sync now and again aswell , rekord box is less stable than traktor , and i get to choose my own ext mixer
Rochel Gleese
14.07.2012
I haven't used Record Box so I've got nothing to compare to but for me:

  • TSP has 4 decks visible in the GUI, waveforms, FX selection/controls, Phase meter and library all in the same window
  • Sample decks and now Remix decks
  • More Cues and Loop points
  • High quality Kontrollers X1& F1
  • Internal FX
  • Ability to Sync everything up (not a great feature for some)
  • More file options
  • IMO more scope for software improvements as its a more mature software platform
Verline Sura
14.07.2012
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
That actually makes zero sense when I really believe about it. But when I really believe about it, I don't understand HID at all.

Anybody want to shed some light on why you'd pay $3200 for a giant S4 with the mixer lopped off? The entire design philosophy of CDJs is not dealing with the bloated impenetrable bullshit that is Traktor, and not having to lug around and set up a laptop. First person to say "Traktor has effects" gets a massive facepalm.
I understand what you are saying. But if you happen to be using a djm 900, its not much of an upgrade at all to switch it up and see if you can cruise through your library better or like the feel of traktor more.
Nancey Inderlied
14.07.2012
Originally Posted by ksandvik
... this might even be that RekordBox takes the second seat, or backup with USB drives, as most DJs don't mind taking their laptops with all the material to gigs. Provided you are a Traktor fan, of course.
That actually makes zero sense when I really believe about it. But when I really believe about it, I don't understand HID at all.

Anybody want to shed some light on why you'd pay $3200 for a giant S4 with the mixer lopped off? The entire design philosophy of CDJs is not dealing with the bloated impenetrable bullshit that is Traktor, and not having to lug around and set up a laptop. First person to say "Traktor has effects" gets a massive facepalm.
Verline Sura
15.07.2012
this really interests me. is there any videos yet showing this new HID integration?
Celine Surico
13.07.2012
... this might even be that RekordBox takes the second seat, or backup with USB drives, as most DJs don't mind taking their laptops with all the material to gigs. Provided you are a Traktor fan, of course.
Myong Tiessen
13.07.2012
Yes Adv HID Display integration is correct. I got the chance to look at it. It looks pretty good. On top of that they also improved the "normal" integration quite a lot.
Celine Surico
13.07.2012
Wow, if I understand right finally Pio HID integration, this will be good (and big.)
Kasandra Kreindler
13.07.2012
sounds like a lot of promise for an update, hope NI can deliver with minimal bugs
Hyman Werness
14.07.2012
As I am anticipating a purchase of some CDJ's this next week. I was going to go with the 850's but the more and more i ponder i believe I'm gonna go the 900 route. especially with news like this.

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