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Scarlett 2i2/Audio 2 Debate - Mixtrack/Pro

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Scarlett 2i2/Audio 2 Debate - Mixtrack/Pro Posted on: 03.02.2013 by Jody Reebel Call me stupid, and start a flame war, but I never seem to find a need to use "headphone cue", in my sets... I beatmatch, but like my tempos are all over the place, so most the time I am either filtering out a break down, to bring in another, or hard slamming drops.... Even when I beatmatch two tempos, (I.E. 140/140, or like 125/128) I have cue markers, and I can judge pretty well, when I need to mix in/out.... (4 counts per bar...), so I just tap my finger on the side of my controller, and that helps me figure out, when I need to mix in/out.... As everyone knows, the Scarlett 2i2, is a 2 in/out, but it shares the same output, across... The Audio 2, has a dedicated "cue" feature, due to the signal being split.... I could however split the 1/4" out the back of my Scarlett, into 2x Mono outs, and have headphone cue like that, but if I can do stereo, I will.... I currently use an MPK Mini to DJ, so my next investment might as well be an Audio 2, cause even if I would get a Mixtrack Pro, the onboard would probably, be worse, than even my 2i2... For the same price as the Mix Track Pro almost (more or less (regular) Mixtrack), I could get a Audio 2, and just keep using my MPK Mini, until I can save for an S2, cause what I have works for me, at the end of the day... I do wish I had more knobs, cause some things I have to mouse click, due to only having 8 knobs, but it works out okay I guess...
Matt Kane 07.02.2013	Originally Posted by SMOR3S I listen, but not from headphone cueing... but tell me. how can you listen when you only have the master? this doesn
Jody Reebel 07.02.2013	Originally Posted by Ed Paris but how do you even mix? i don
Matt Kane 07.02.2013	Originally Posted by SMOR3S Ah you troll! lol... I don't eye lock the screen, but I do look at it from time to time... I do dj a lot by sound, so I'll like look at Traktor, see a cue point, listen, and then start mixing in when I know to... but how do you even mix? i don
Jody Reebel 07.02.2013	I am probably going to just get a mixer, and mix externally, in traktor, in mono, cause at the end of the day, at the club, stereo to mono, like no real difference...
Jody Reebel 06.02.2013	Originally Posted by Ed Paris http://www.djranking s.com/2013/02/0...screen-gazing/ just saying... Ah you troll! lol... I don't eye lock the screen, but I do look at it from time to time... I do dj a lot by sound, so I'll like look at Traktor, see a cue point, listen, and then start mixing in when I know to...
Matt Kane 06.02.2013	Originally Posted by SMOR3S side note I do like having a full fledged mixer, despite me, probably never ever using turntables, or cdj's... I like visual mixing in Traktor, so that's were I am comfortable at for now... http://www.djranking s.com/2013/02/0...screen-gazing/ just saying...
Jody Reebel 06.02.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign The 2i2 is a 2 in, 2 out, hence the name; to mix tracks externally using a normal mixer you need a 4-out audio interface, otherwise you're just mixing mono. Well crap... Isn't this a bust... Mixing mono isn't an amazingly bad thing, but I do prefer stereo, if the club has hookups for that... If I do get this DJX750, ima have to look into getting an Audio 4... Even if the Mixer is $40, this might be worth more, that it's worth... I'll look around a bit more, or maybe I'll just have to wait, for the "Behringer CMD MM-1" to drop... side note I do like having a full fledged mixer, despite me, probably never ever using turntables, or cdj's... I like visual mixing in Traktor, so that's were I am comfortable at for now...
Doreen Schurle 06.02.2013	The 2i2 is a 2 in, 2 out, hence the name; to mix tracks externally using a normal mixer you need a 4-out audio interface, otherwise you're just mixing mono.
Jody Reebel 06.02.2013	So I wouldn't be able to use headphones, or? Like I have said before, I am not in need of headphone cueing, due to, like you said "visually", Mixing, so all I need to do, is to plug my 2i2, to the mixer, then master out to the PA... Bam!
Doreen Schurle 06.02.2013	Originally Posted by 3heads To mix externally you need at least 4 output channels (= stereo pairs). (Actually I can't see how one could mix to any acceptable standards without having two stereo pairs, regardless if the actual mixing is done internally - but that's another issue) Some people don't use headphones, they just do it visually with spectrum waveforms and by knowing their tracks inside out, but I take your point. Theoretically you could use an aggregate device and take master out from an external and plug your headphones into your craptop.
Celestine Porebski 06.02.2013	To mix externally you need at least 4 output channels (= stereo pairs). (Actually I can't see how one could mix to any acceptable standards without having two stereo pairs, regardless if the actual mixing is done internally - but that's another issue)
Jody Reebel 06.02.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign Can't fault that, although don't forget these things aren't midi so you'll specifically need 4 outputs into the mixer from whatever audio interface you use. The beauty about MIDI is that you do all your mixing inside Traktor and output a single stereo channel to the mixer/soundboard. Okay.... I'll just have to route the output/inputs in Traktor then, and setup external mixing huh?, since the mixing will still be in Traktor, but externally, via the mixer... + like I stated above, I have a Scarlett 2i2, so I'll just do dual 1/4" from the back of the 2i2, to RCA into the mixer, then the mixer into the PA... That should work fine... I know I'll be happy with the DJX750, cause it has everything I need on it, so I can just use my MPK Mini as an sampling/effects controller...
Doreen Schurle 06.02.2013	Originally Posted by SMOR3S Ya I posted that DJX750 for $40.... That seems like a good deal, considering brand new, they are like $200+ aye? Can't fault that, although don't forget these things aren't midi so you'll specifically need 4 outputs into the mixer from whatever audio interface you use. The beauty about MIDI is that you do all your mixing inside Traktor and output a single stereo channel to the mixer/soundboard.
Jody Reebel 06.02.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign Tbh if you can't wait for the Behringer, just get an old Numark Omni or something second hand, then get the Behringer when it comes out. The Behringers are like $99 each, so won't break the bank Ya I posted that DJX750 for $40.... That seems like a good deal, considering brand new, they are like $200+ aye?
Doreen Schurle 06.02.2013	Tbh if you can't wait for the Behringer, just get an old Numark Omni or something second hand, then get the Behringer when it comes out. The Behringers are like $99 each, so won't break the bank
Jody Reebel 06.02.2013	Was looking at this mixer! Behringer NOX404: http://www.guitarcenter.com/Behringe...88-i1884926.gc I presume it would work fine, and the price seems to fit fair with how it looks.. edit Found a DJX750 for sale on craigslist for $40! http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/msg/3581848258.html
Jody Reebel 06.02.2013	Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50 If you need knobs... http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/BCR2000.aspx :P Why not an APC20 or 40? Price seems to be dropping a bit on those down to 150-200 now. I would however, prefer some crossfaders too, and OMG! to many knobs! lool... That's a mental amount hehe... I love that "CMD MM-1" (mdcdesign) posted above, but if I can get something like that, but before, March, that would be awesome... I am really digging, the clean, simple, mixer design.... Reminds me of a DJM 800, but MIDI...
Gaynell Rydberg 06.02.2013	If you need knobs... http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/BCR2000.aspx :P Why not an APC20 or 40? Price seems to be dropping a bit on those down to 150-200 now.
Jody Reebel 06.02.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign If you just want a MIDI EQ section, wait a month and get the Behringer CMD MM-1; it's a 4 channel MIDI mixer with a hell of a lot of knobs and faders. Holy shit that looks sexy! Kind of reminds me of a Z2.... I am actually digging, these midi mixers... I do however need one before March, so, do you know of any other midi mixers? Thanks bro <3
Doreen Schurle 06.02.2013	If you just want a MIDI EQ section, wait a month and get the Behringer CMD MM-1; it's a 4 channel MIDI mixer with a hell of a lot of knobs and faders.
Jody Reebel 06.02.2013	So to update this thread... I am still in-need of something... Controller wise... I am going to still use my MPK Mini, but I want to pair it, with something, that has more knobs, and or a crossfader... I kind of scratched the whole DJ Controller idea, since my MPK works, for what I need it to, so I was believeing of getting, something like a Trigger Finger, so I can have 8 more knobs... But I guess for the price that is (Thanks to Skrillex), those things are way expensive now, so for $100, I could just get a normal Mixtrack... Also, like I said before, "Headphone cueing", isn't a big deal to me, so I don't a controller, with onboard sound...
Jody Reebel 04.02.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign I'm using my Hercules RMX as an EQ section for the set I'm doing toevening , but using the Reloop for audio output. There's nothing wrong with the Hercules tbh, it just looks a bit weird (being bright silver) next to other gear. It's a good starter controller, although most people tend to grow out of them pretty quickly. Ya, I am honestly just concerned about having more knobs, so I can actually have my High/Mid EQ's mapped, cause atm, I have to mouse click those :/ My MPK Mini is fine, but I would prefer to have something paired up with this, so I could have more knobs...
Doreen Schurle 04.02.2013	I'm using my Hercules RMX as an EQ section for the set I'm doing toevening , but using the Reloop for audio output. There's nothing wrong with the Hercules tbh, it just looks a bit weird (being bright silver) next to other gear. It's a good starter controller, although most people tend to grow out of them pretty quickly.
Arnulfo Morten 04.02.2013	Originally Posted by SMOR3S I was looking at the Hercules controllers earlier today.. How do they stand vs. Mixtracks? Also, I have heard about this "Appregrate" once before... Is this possible with my Scarlett 2i2? Thanks! :3 Well i'm not sure how it compares to the mixtrack i havn't used one. I originally bought the hercules controller because its small and can fit in my back pack. it's cheaper than a audio 4 and has midi controls and jog wheels. so for less than $200 i got a sound card with jog wheels eq and fader thats why i got one. For crate diggin and smaller house parties i rock a hercules controller and a x1 gives me all the controls i need with audio interface.
Jody Reebel 04.02.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign Each Relooop can theoretically control 4 decks using the a, b, c, d buttons at the top. The button change which MIDI channel all of the codes are sent on, from CH1, CH2, CH3, CH4 etc. I use a pair of them simply because I prefer simultaneous control over decks A and B, but if you're the sort of DJ who usually works on one deck at a time, it's probably unnecessary, so you can save yourself a bit of money It comes in two variants, the Interface Edition and the Controller Edition; the CE lacks the sound card, but is about
Doreen Schurle 03.02.2013	Originally Posted by SMOR3S The Reloop, seems pretty cool, does each (one) by it self control up to 4 decks, or would I need to buy 4?... I do use an MPK Mini for DJing, and it has served me pretty well, over the past few months, so I don't really see a reason to switch out, unless I was putting like $300+ on to something, that I know I'll use long term... I am a little skeptical on the reliability of the Scarlett, when playing live, cause I actually recently got this, about a month back, and haven't had the chance to take it to a show yet... I'll look more into that Reloop thing, it does seem pretty interesting... I have about... (maybe), $200... That's my guesstimate budget at the moment... Thanks to everyone for being so helpful :3 Each Relooop can theoretically control 4 decks using the a, b, c, d buttons at the top. The button change which MIDI channel all of the codes are sent on, from CH1, CH2, CH3, CH4 etc. I use a pair of them simply because I prefer simultaneous control over decks A and B, but if you're the sort of DJ who usually works on one deck at a time, it's probably unnecessary, so you can save yourself a bit of money It comes in two variants, the Interface Edition and the Controller Edition; the CE lacks the sound card, but is about
Jody Reebel 03.02.2013	I was looking at the Hercules controllers earlier today.. How do they stand vs. Mixtracks? Also, I have heard about this "Appregrate" once before... Is this possible with my Scarlett 2i2? Thanks! :3
Arnulfo Morten 03.02.2013	well if you are on a budget... get a plain usb sound card there like $25-$30 then depending if you use a mac or pc. if your using a mac aggregate your sound cards and you can set what out puts go where example: sound comes out of headphone jack of computer and cue comes out of usb sound card. if your using a pc then you have to use asio4all drivers and route your sound with that. or else maybe consider a hercules controller with built in I/O they go for less than $200
Jody Reebel 03.02.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign The Scarlett seems more suited to home studio use than DJing... for the same price as the Scarlett (and less than the Mixtrack Pro, although slightly more than the Audio 2) you could get a Reloop Contour IE, which is a VERY nice audio interface AND a fully fledged controller (and a rather incredible one at that). The Reloop, seems pretty cool, does each (one) by it self control up to 4 decks, or would I need to buy 4?... I do use an MPK Mini for DJing, and it has served me pretty well, over the past few months, so I don't really see a reason to switch out, unless I was putting like $300+ on to something, that I know I'll use long term... I am a little skeptical on the reliability of the Scarlett, when playing live, cause I actually recently got this, about a month back, and haven't had the chance to take it to a show yet... I'll look more into that Reloop thing, it does seem pretty interesting... I have about... (maybe), $200... That's my guesstimate budget at the moment... Thanks to everyone for being so helpful :3
Doreen Schurle 03.02.2013	Originally Posted by SMOR3S I currently use an MPK Mini to DJ, so my next investment might as well be an Audio 2, cause even if I would get a Mixtrack Pro, the onboard would probably, be worse, than even my 2i2... For the same price as the Mix Track Pro almost (more or less (regular) Mixtrack), I could get a Audio 2, and just keep using my MPK Mini, until I can save for an S2, cause what I have works for me, at the end of the day... I do wish I had more knobs, cause some things I have to mouse click, due to only having 8 knobs, but it works out okay I guess... The Scarlett seems more suited to home studio use than DJing... for the same price as the Scarlett (and less than the Mixtrack Pro, although slightly more than the Audio 2) you could get a Reloop Contour IE, which is a VERY nice audio interface AND a fully fledged controller (and a rather incredible one at that). EDIT: One of my favorite Reloop Contour vids, 'tis a good example of what can be achieved with them:
Latoria Kavulich 03.02.2013	The audio 2 is better suited to djing.
Cole Maroto 03.02.2013	ok

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