Dubspot online training/ courses - good or bad?
Dubspot online training/ courses - good or bad? Posted on: 20.03.2011 by Rey Holubar Hi,Being a beginner, I am looking for good ways to learn the DJ profession and I know going to school, seminars, etc. or even getting a mentor is the fastest way to learn. My problem, I live in the boonies in Germany and finding such things is well, near impossible. Dubspot has online courses that look interesting, but you don't get any feel for what they are really offering on their web site and if they really can help for the price. (they aren't cheap). Has anyone of you taken one of their online courses, whether it be for DJing or production? How was it? How was the experience? scamo | |
| Hanh Mohammadi 10.02.2014 | hey guys, I just saw this thread and figured I'd speak up. I'm Matt Shadetek, I created the Logic course for Dubspot Online and teach it. If anyone has any specific questions about the course feel free to hit me up here or on twitter, I'm @mattshadetek. As to the people who question whether it's a good use of their time and money, it's a question that you really have to answer personally for yourself. Some people have the time and energy to figure things out the hard way and now with things like YouTube, community s like this, etc the hard way is a lot less hard. Some people want to have things laid out in a step by step, accurate fashion by a person they can talk back to when they have a problem. For that group, we're here to help them. We get a wide range of people, some are established DJs who need to get their production skills to a pro level fast, some are hobbyists who haven't been making the progress they wanted to on their own. I've been making music for about fourteen years and have released on some pretty well known (and less well known) labels, toured off my music and achieved a lot of my musical goals. I believe the Dubspot Online course is the best thing I can offer to help people avoid all the struggle and misery I had trying to figure out how to produce music. If that sounds like it might work for you, come check it out. It's not cheap, but it's also not crappy. best, M. |
| Lynette Leitenberger 14.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by PeterSkarzay
One of the negatives i found with the training is that your feedback is mostly written not dvr which was done once every 4th class if i remember right but for the amount you pay i believe were entitled to dvr responce on a weekley basis |
| Tatum Ansaldo 12.05.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bunford
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| Olene Minyard 12.05.2011 |
Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
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| Tatum Ansaldo 12.05.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bunford
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| Olene Minyard 11.05.2011 |
Originally Posted by BennyJ
Watch a vid twice, then go off an do you own thing until you get where you believe ir right. Do this to cover all of the basics and once that's all done and you're confidently equipped with the basics, then go ahead and get creatve and experimental, figuring things out for yourself. That's how I'd approach it if I was a beginner. However, everyone's different. What I wouldn;t do it spend thousands on a over-the-net video course! There are lots of very good and cheaper tutorials out there, like the Groove3 and Lynda.com ones, that can do a good job at giving you the foundations plus more. |
| Vernetta Gunther 11.05.2011 | It's interesting that you say that about the Ableton course. I noticed that you took the course in the summer of 2010. After noticing it had gotten a little stale (I believe it was a few years old even when you took the course!), we decided to update it and give it a fresh new look. It is now much more up-to-date and should be more engaging with the students. The Ableton Live |
| Vernetta Gunther 27.04.2011 | Hey guys, Woah so I've been out of this thread for a little while and its all kicked off! I'll answer a few queries that I read on here first. * Bov - I saw you mentioned the free tutorials by the guys on youtube. You mentioned Ellaskins / DJtutor. His stuff is great, and would definately reccomend him. Point Blank are actually working together with DJtutor at the moment to hopefully come up with some great free content that will combine both of our best bits. Things are yet to be finalised, but we will be promoting across facebook and twitter and all that business when we do. I'll post something in here too so you dont miss out. *Moon - Although our online courses aren't technically |
| Loreta Altema 22.04.2011 |
Originally Posted by beanzos
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| Lynette Leitenberger 18.02.2013 | Digital Video Respnce it is your teacher going through your work and sending you a video back o him doing this |
| Rey Holubar 18.02.2013 | What is a "dvr" response? scamo |
| Lynette Leitenberger 14.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by PeterSkarzay
One of the negatives i found with the training is that your feedback is mostly written not dvr which was done once every 4th class if i remember right but for the amount you pay i believe were entitled to dvr responce on a weekley basis |
| Becky Momjian 14.02.2013 | I wanna know if the online lessons are livestreamed or packaged videos?
in terms of feedback each week you upload your project incorporating the techniques covered that week and freddy records a feedback video tweaking elements and giving creative suggestions. theres also a private community
where he responds to questions within 24hrs and a weekly webchat with him and your classmates
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| Wade Stegal 12.01.2012 | big fan of this reading this community
but havent posted before. wanna throw my 2 pennys worth in here though as ive just done the ableton live dj/performance course at point blank. yianno gives them a bit of a slating but i really enjoyed it. the tutor freddy is a crazy french dude.. funny as fuck.. he has a slightly odd taste in music (gabba, clowncore etc (look it up!!)) but his passion for the software and depth of knowleedge shines through. like lots of you i was sceptical of spending a fair chunk of money for an online course but having that structure and consistency of teaching meant i learnt so much in just 4 weeks. now i can spend my time fine tuning my workflow and trying to get gigs.. dipping back into the tuts when i fancy. in terms of feedback each week you upload your project incorporating the techniques covered that week and freddy records a feedback video tweaking elements and giving creative suggestions. theres also a private community
where he responds to questions within 24hrs and a weekly webchat with him and your classmates. like i said, for me it was worth the money cos i wanted to nail down the foundations quickly and i need structure when learning so i dont get distracted which is so easy to do on youtube and community
s! BIG UP freddy and pb there are some free sample tuts from the coure on their youtube here: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF6DA9BD21F94114D |
| Lynette Leitenberger 13.05.2011 | Yea you might be right but i am having a real good time @ dubspot but having second thoughts in doing the Logic Course as its just sooo much money. I did some work for apple which gave me a free account @ macprovideo.com as one of the perks its quite cool some really good tutorials on there. |
| Tatum Ansaldo 12.05.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bunford
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| Olene Minyard 12.05.2011 |
Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
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| Tatum Ansaldo 12.05.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bunford
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| Olene Minyard 11.05.2011 |
Originally Posted by BennyJ
Watch a vid twice, then go off an do you own thing until you get where you believe ir right. Do this to cover all of the basics and once that's all done and you're confidently equipped with the basics, then go ahead and get creatve and experimental, figuring things out for yourself. That's how I'd approach it if I was a beginner. However, everyone's different. What I wouldn;t do it spend thousands on a over-the-net video course! There are lots of very good and cheaper tutorials out there, like the Groove3 and Lynda.com ones, that can do a good job at giving you the foundations plus more. |
| Vernetta Gunther 11.05.2011 | It's interesting that you say that about the Ableton course. I noticed that you took the course in the summer of 2010. After noticing it had gotten a little stale (I believe it was a few years old even when you took the course!), we decided to update it and give it a fresh new look. It is now much more up-to-date and should be more engaging with the students. The Ableton Live |
| Lynette Leitenberger 11.05.2011 | To be honest i enjoy go along with a course it gets me motivated to keep doing stuff wether i necessarily need it is another question . I did the ableton course which at the time i knew nothing about ableton with point blank and wanted to come into the school but decided to do it online and in my opinion there was far to much reading involved for me i didnt get into music to read so much text with the videos they were very clear very well made but just feel a bit robotic and straight to the point which sometimes can be hard to watch the material was great though . Only reason i posted because i was excited and wanted to share that never thought id learn so much online never knew you guys would read it but i wish the best as you were the first online music course i ever heard about . |
| Vernetta Gunther 09.05.2011 | I wasn't upset by it. I believe it's a bit wierd how everyone gets on the offensive if you post for the first time anywhere (which I do quite a lot whenever someone is asking about Point Blank). I don't quite understand how you are meant to ever get into a community
community if everyone starts a fight with your first post. It's good to get feedback anyway, good or bad (though we like good the most!). It's really interesting that you have studied at a few schools. What areas do you believe Point Blank needs to improve on? James - PB |
| Lynette Leitenberger 07.05.2011 | Ooops i believe i might have upset somebody which i promise was really not my intention and actually now that your watching you can confirm that i dont work for point blank the email i registered with you was [email protected] a few years back and you can confirm to everyone i live in the uk but thats besides the point respect what your doing but dubspot really works for me ive already started my second course ESSENTIAL MUSIC FOUNDATION which changed everything for me again apologise if i have caused offence didnt believe that you guys would look at this . |
| Vernetta Gunther 27.04.2011 | Hey guys, Woah so I've been out of this thread for a little while and its all kicked off! I'll answer a few queries that I read on here first. * Bov - I saw you mentioned the free tutorials by the guys on youtube. You mentioned Ellaskins / DJtutor. His stuff is great, and would definately reccomend him. Point Blank are actually working together with DJtutor at the moment to hopefully come up with some great free content that will combine both of our best bits. Things are yet to be finalised, but we will be promoting across facebook and twitter and all that business when we do. I'll post something in here too so you dont miss out. *Moon - Although our online courses aren't technically |
| Loreta Altema 22.04.2011 |
Originally Posted by beanzos
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| Louisa Hemmah 22.04.2011 | I was gonna go check out the Dubspot open house one of these weekends. Being in NYC, it's hard to justify doing the classes online, as well as not having the set-ups they have. Will report on my findings when i make it over there. |
| Lynette Leitenberger 22.04.2011 | This video on this page is the best i have found to explain how it works http://blog.dubspot.com/new-dubspot-...tor-2-reaktor/ |
| Lynette Leitenberger 22.04.2011 |
Originally Posted by m00n
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| Lynette Leitenberger 22.04.2011 | Totally agree I have been dj'n for years with vinyl but need to embrace the digital evolution |
| Loreta Altema 22.04.2011 |
Originally Posted by yianno
You know someone will have them up on youtube in a year or so.(jk, lol):eek: |
| Lynette Leitenberger 22.04.2011 | Yea and mac pro video but these are tutorial videos when dubspot is about the music as well and goes over alot more than the software and you get video feedback from the tutors there two very diffrent concepts but for most the lynda etc ones will be fine im working on a release and i love the fact that i get feedback on my workbut there not cheap. The main thing i like is the tutors all seem cool and make really cool music everyone just seems on a level if that make sense but if its just the software you want to learn go to lynda.com macprovido sonic academy and my favourite groove3 but what you gotta understand is dubspot doesnt just cover the software its about applying to the style of music you make.Ill give you guys feedback when i start the Maschine electronic music, foundation and logic pro but at the moment im just doing the Traktor 2 and Digital Dj'n Course |
| Hipolito Scionti 22.04.2011 | Check out Lynda.com for ableton, reason, logic courses. You pay a reasonable monthly subscription and have acess to all. They are a hell of a lot cheaper. See if you have a proper taste/ knack for it before dropping serious money. I agree about learning bad habits with a lot of things, or learning piano or sports... But djing is not the same. It's mOre about a love of music and you can't teach someone to love music |
| Lynette Leitenberger 22.04.2011 | In a weird way i feel like im taking one to one training but its really not again i did a ableton with point blank and couldnt cope with it i wanted to sleep every time if i wanted to read about it i would have read there tutorial that comes with it. I learn easier with the videos as long as there not like robots and keep it natural. |
| Lynette Leitenberger 22.04.2011 | I paid like 800$ for the traktor 2 course which i started now cause i wanted to check that out before i pay $4000 for the logic couse as i was really scared that online learning wouldnt be for me. But i now prefer it ot a class room i have a really nice studio and in the comfort of my own home theres really not much reading and in the videos ( which are jointly done by shiftee and endo) they make jokes go through things more than once and there not booring AT ALL . If i miss something i can watch the video again and i get DJ Endo three days a week comes on @ 1pm - 2PM monday to wednesday and i get to pick his brain honestly im really enjoying it and i know with the logic one ( which im definatly gonna start soon) its taught my Matt shadetek and by the end of it we will have a 4 track ep to release go through everything from production to mix and mastering techniques. They should do a sample course so people can understand how it works maybe like a cheap weekend sampler. |
| Danae Dumler 21.04.2011 |
Originally Posted by bigheadmikelove
Live classes were amazing, I would definitely go again. Reasonably priced too but I only did one-day seminars. The online classes look too expensive to me but after reading that praise I might check out the Maschine class when I finally get one. But it does really depend on whether online learning works for you - it's definitely not for everyone. But I am really comforted to know that you have actual access to the instructors in those classes, and even better that you also can learn from the other students as well -- in my opinion, that is worth paying for. |
| Loreta Altema 21.04.2011 |
Originally Posted by yianno
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| Loreta Altema 21.04.2011 | i'm the type that believes "the more knoweldge the better", so any chance to learn something new or a new perspective on things, i'm open ears.. With that being said, I don't believe I could pay for an online music school/program.. I'm a in person, hands on type of guy, thats how i learn.. I pick things up and seem to remember them well in the standard classroom/teacher setting. I am planning on taking Music Theory classes @ my local community college, I would like to float around, get certified in a few programs and take some courses i'm interested, maybe even hit dubstop up in person.. Short version- Online schools = no bueno for me.. Local Community College and other like music programs ae what i prefer as you get more hands on and contact with instructors. |
| Lynette Leitenberger 21.04.2011 | lol if i was a dubspot employee my grammer would be much better!! nah im just hyped honestly found out about this site because of the midi fighter ( how cool) and i live in the uk. I was just amazed at how good the content is i did a course with point blank and it was all written stuff these are all videos and fun to watch and its all original nothing from the youtube channels. Im actually having alot of fun |
| Jenni Carrasquilla 21.04.2011 | I can see the point in online courses but I'm never about them, (esp when there is SOOO much free info out there on youtube like from ellaskinz that other people have mentioned and from other sites) I just mix at home and then listen back, if theres something I get stuck on, I come here or google it. If I had the money though, I'd head over and do a course in their school, you know, just to meet like minded people and network and whatever |
| Joie Cantillon 21.04.2011 |
Originally Posted by yianno
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