Native Instruments AUDIO 4 DJ

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Native Instruments AUDIO 4 DJ
Posted on: 15.01.2009 by Predrag Mladenovic
Based on the acclaimed AUDIO 8 DJ interface that is also at the heart of Native Instruments' TRAKTOR SCRATCH DJ system, the new AUDIO 4 DJ offers a 4-in/4-out configuration with the same pristine audio quality, but with an even smaller footprint and at a more affordable price. Two stereo inputs with software-switchable phono preamps allow DJs to connect turntables, CD decks and music production gear for various live performance and recording purposes. Two stereo outputs provide the necessary connectivity for routing two decks into an external DJ mixer, or outputting a separate master and cue signal when mixing in software. All audio connections are in RCA format for straightforward interfacing with DJ gear .

Nick Ross
24.06.2009
Originally Posted by surfacescan
Great! Thanks for that quick update. I was just arriving at the same conclusion.

Getting Audio4 with the Traktor ScratchPro software would cover my bases.

One more question, is Traktor Pro and Traktor Scratch Pro essentially the same software in terms of features besides the obvious ability to control with vinyl?

That would mean *without* time encoded vinyl, Traktor Scratch Pro would run exactly like Traktor Pro and I could use my VCI-100 acrcade edition happily (when there are no decks around), correct?

Thanks Chilly
Yup...you're on the money.
Doug Bieling
21.05.2009
Originally Posted by DvlsAdvct
No, that's correct. 8 mono outs, 4 stereo outs
What???? on the Audio4????
Britteny Fondacaro
03.08.2009
if I use and Audio 4 DJ with 2 timecodes and a vci-100 do I need an external mixer to cue tracks with my headphones? Or will the headphone jack on the audio 4 still work?
Beula Dolman
23.06.2009
Hey Chilly -

Im not QUITE done with firing questions your way.

It seems that I could plug two turntables into the audio4 and then when I wanted to do "audio through" on either of them - no problem - I just switch it in the software. If I want them to be scratch control - no problem - I just switch it in the software - if I want internal playback (mp3s controlled via VCI100) no problem - just switch it in the software.

Essentially with the VCI100 and my setup above, I dont need an external mixer!

And the mappings that exist for the VCI100 SE by Ean, should also work in Traktor Scratch pro.

In fact, the only thing lacking is a microphone but i just tried and I managed to plug an external mic into my macbookpros internal input and route it through one of the decks (Deck 4)!. I can even add fx!

Cool!

Would there be any benefit in getting the multicore cables in this case? I cant see any reason to get them...
Evie Cockran
23.06.2009
Cool cause I am new to the digital dj thing and I have a Numark Total control and a Audio 4 with TRAKTOR Pro. So I should be set? Oh and the new Macbook Pro.
Nick Ross
24.06.2009
Originally Posted by surfacescan
Great! Thanks for that quick update. I was just arriving at the same conclusion.

Getting Audio4 with the Traktor ScratchPro software would cover my bases.

One more question, is Traktor Pro and Traktor Scratch Pro essentially the same software in terms of features besides the obvious ability to control with vinyl?

That would mean *without* time encoded vinyl, Traktor Scratch Pro would run exactly like Traktor Pro and I could use my VCI-100 acrcade edition happily (when there are no decks around), correct?

Thanks Chilly
Yup...you're on the money.
Beula Dolman
24.06.2009
Great! Thanks for that quick update. I was just arriving at the same conclusion.

Getting Audio4 with the Traktor ScratchPro software would cover my bases.

One more question, is Traktor Pro and Traktor Scratch Pro essentially the same software in terms of features besides the obvious ability to control with vinyl?

That would mean *without* time encoded vinyl, Traktor Scratch Pro would run exactly like Traktor Pro and I could use my VCI-100 acrcade edition happily (when there are no decks around), correct?

Thanks Chilly
Nick Ross
23.06.2009
If you only need one of those scenarios at any given time, then the Audio4 is perfect for you.

Traktor Scratch Pro is the version you want.
Beula Dolman
23.06.2009
Audio8, not Audio4, will get you what you want.
Ok let me just confirm, I only one one of these scenarios at a time, not all at same time:

  • playthrough a record on my turntable using my vci 100 mixer in addition to the usual decks in Traktor pro (Ideally the turntable would be on deck three or four in the software) OR

  • control two turntables using time encoded vinyl but use the vci-100 to mix and control them (ideally have deck three and four be loops or more tracks) OR

  • use the vci-100 and traktor pro features alone when I dont have access to my turntables


I dont want to do all these at once. They are like three typical scenarios I may be in when djing.

So, in terms of software is there a Traktor Pro version which has all the features AND allows time encoded vinyl control? Is that what Traktor scratch pro is or do I need to buy a version of Traktor pro and then traktor scratch pro seperately?

Thanks
Bart
Nick Ross
23.06.2009
Audio8, not Audio4, will get you what you want.
Beula Dolman
23.06.2009
Hi all - I recently bought the arcade edition VCI-100 from this site. I havent got a chance to try it yet because Im seperated by 6000 miles (Im in Tanzania and its in Canada - so sad) - so aside from getting my traktor library prepped for when I finally get my hands on the device - I've been spending some time planning which sound card to get.

The Audio4 looks great but I have a few questions, specifically if its possible to use with turntables... I read the posts before this about scratch duo etc but admit I was a bit confused.

Is there a setup I can buy which will allow me to do the following scenarios:

  • control a turntable using my vci 100 mixer (playthrough, not timecoded vinyl)

  • control two turntables (like serato) but use the vci-100 as well?

  • use the vci-100 and traktor pro when I dont have access to my turntables


Essentially Im looking for a soundcard that will also work as a serato scratch replacement AND work with my vci100 when I dont lug around my decks.

Ideally it would be one piece of software for all these scenarios so I can share: settings, mp3 libraries and effects.

I hope this makes sense. Ean mentioned to me this was possible and that he wants to do an article on the blog about it at some point, so I thought I'd jump the gun and get your opinions.

Thanks all!
Bart
Roberto Viccione
22.05.2009
No problem Mr. MoleyMole

I believe Traktor's internal mixer is spot on. Some people will say you can hear a difference, but I believe it's all in their head.
Luis Santos
22.05.2009
ahh i see now. I read this thread from start and its well explained. So you recommend me to save money and buy audio8 or onother soundcard with enough outs? How good is Traktor internal mixer? Can you hear a difference betweem internal and external mixer?
Doug Bieling
21.05.2009
ahh sorry thought you were saying cahukk was correct. I was beginning to believe i could have just got an audio4 just then instead of an 8.

Cheers Mr Advocate
Roberto Viccione
21.05.2009
No, on the Audio8.
Doug Bieling
21.05.2009
Originally Posted by DvlsAdvct
No, that's correct. 8 mono outs, 4 stereo outs
What???? on the Audio4????
Roberto Viccione
21.05.2009
No, that's correct. 8 mono outs, 4 stereo outs
Doug Bieling
21.05.2009
My audi 8 doesnt have 8 outs ... well it does but 8 mono outs

Maybe i'm missing something ..

Anyone confirm this for me?

Gav
Luis Santos
21.05.2009
Hows that? I thought Audio 4 has 4 output channels? 4ch=4 decks in Traktor

Maybe im missing something
Doug Bieling
21.05.2009
You need an Audio 8 if you want to do 4 deck external mixing
Luis Santos
21.05.2009
I have Audio Kontrol 1 at the moment, but looking for Audio 4. My main concern is that Audio 4 dont have MIDI ins and out. I need midi connection cuz im mixing on DDM4000 and this mixer doesent have USB port, only MIDI.
I found MIDI to usb cabel converters, but they have large price tag (costs 3 times more than gameport connection) Found a substitute in gameprot to midi cabel. Im wondering whats the latency compared to direct connection from mixer to interface? Any other suggestions?
Reason for looking at Audio 4 is 4 deck external mixing in Traktor, that was impossible with AK1.
de Riedmatten Gauthier
21.05.2009
Wow, this card is massive! Had a Echo Audiofire 2 and a NumarK DJ I/O before, and none of them compared to the quality of this one. I do believe that my Audiofire was defect though. The Audio 4 DJ is rock solid, it can even take a Gin & Tonic spill and still play on. The levels are high enough to give you all the headroom you want, and you can monitor everything on the unit - you can even monitor USB-streaming errors via the application!

So, to sum it up - I love this piece :P
Evie Cockran
20.05.2009
I am looking in to sound cards and that one looks sick!
Barbie Wischmeier
17.04.2009
thought so, thanks
Nick Ross
17.04.2009
Originally Posted by brokenglass
I just received my audio4, the thing is rock solid. I found it online with traktor pro upgrade (audio 4dg w/ included traktorLE + traktor pro upgrade) for $299...which, I suppose, is the same as buying it separate. http://www.gigasonic.com/NI-Audio4DJ-TraktorProUPG.html. They also sell the audio4 for $199 alone and they honor student discounts on a lot of software (Traktorpro for $137).

Also just ordered my vci100SE which should ship april 30, when that arrives I should be set.

Quick question though, can I not use my built in speakers as monitors? I've got the audio4 plugged in and headphones into the audio4 (which in traktor is set as my audio device) but no sound comes out of the speakers or headphones. Then when I switch to built in, I've got audio out the speakers but no cueing... I need to buy monitors and route them through the audio4 yea?
Thanks
lol. uhm yeah. Search around a bit, your question is answer a few times.
Barbie Wischmeier
17.04.2009
I just received my audio4, the thing is rock solid. I found it online with traktor pro upgrade (audio 4dg w/ included traktorLE + traktor pro upgrade) for $299...which, I suppose, is the same as buying it separate. http://www.gigasonic.com/NI-Audio4DJ-TraktorProUPG.html. They also sell the audio4 for $199 alone and they honor student discounts on a lot of software (Traktorpro for $137).

Also just ordered my vci100SE which should ship april 30, when that arrives I should be set.

Quick question though, can I not use my built in speakers as monitors? I've got the audio4 plugged in and headphones into the audio4 (which in traktor is set as my audio device) but no sound comes out of the speakers or headphones. Then when I switch to built in, I've got audio out the speakers but no cueing... I need to buy monitors and route them through the audio4 yea?
Thanks
Nick Ross
25.03.2009
Originally Posted by zeerow
It seems like a fair question to me. Considering using DVS might be something a person doesn't even enjoy after using a MIDI controller, buying a Serato or T Scratch kit for $500 including software seems a little steep compared to taking a $200 hit to give DVS a try on software you already use. Plus, the A4 could then just be used as a nice external sound card for regular Tpro if you decide against DVS.

I just don't understand the bitterness towards a fair, non-bragging question.
Download the trial versions of both and play around with them first.

Oh wait, you can't do anything with Serato's software without the required hardware!
nayit ruiz jaramillo
25.03.2009
Originally Posted by zeerow
I just don't understand the bitterness towards a fair, non-bragging question.
Im not 'bitter' dude. I dont want to get into the whole 'cracked software' thing again im just not a fan of people who use it.

*puts tape over mouth*
Roberto Viccione
25.03.2009
Originally Posted by zeerow
I just don't understand the bitterness towards a fair, non-bragging question.
First of all it's kind of self-explanatory. If you have a cracked version of the software and you buy the hardware then logic would start that the software would work as intended with that piece of hardware.

Second of all, if the software is adequately cracked then it would be no different than using the legitimate software with hardware.
Dj BlueMoon
25.03.2009
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
Well thats sort of stating the obvious. Thats not clever though.

The use of cracked software discussion was done to death a few weeks back. PAH !
It seems like a fair question to me. Considering using DVS might be something a person doesn't even enjoy after using a MIDI controller, buying a Serato or T Scratch kit for $500 including software seems a little steep compared to taking a $200 hit to give DVS a try on software you already use. Plus, the A4 could then just be used as a nice external sound card for regular Tpro if you decide against DVS.

I just don't understand the bitterness towards a fair, non-bragging question.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
25.03.2009
Originally Posted by Slackman25
So am i right in saying that if i have Traktor pro 1.1 and the Audio 4 DJ and i buy the time code vinyl i can use the traktor scratch functionality. If so why does Traktor scratch ship with Audio 8 (is this for 4 decks?
Answer is NO a massive NO. Traktor Pro will not enable Timecode use even if you have all the hardware. You have to buy a Scratch Package.


Originally Posted by zeerow
Hypothetically speaking, if you have a cracked version of Traktor Pro which includes scratch, all you need to buy is either an Audio 4 or Audio 8 and a timecoded vinyl to have DVS functionality?
Well thats sort of stating the obvious. Thats not clever though.
The use of cracked software discussion was done to death a few weeks back. PAH !
Dj BlueMoon
25.03.2009
Hypothetically speaking, if you have a cracked version of Traktor Pro which includes scratch, all you need to buy is either an Audio 4 or Audio 8 and a timecoded vinyl to have DVS functionality?
nayit ruiz jaramillo
25.03.2009
Originally Posted by lsmith
notice that traktor scratch duo ships with the audio 4 DJ and the software only does 2 decks ..
Thats because the Audio 4 can only work with 2 timecode decks.
Nick Ross
25.03.2009
Yes, there's only one kind of multi-core cables.
Nickole Krautbauer
25.03.2009
Are the multicore cables used in the Traktor Scratch pro with the audio 8 DJ the same as those used in the Traktor Duo with the audio 4 DJ?
Leota Saniuk
24.03.2009
notice that traktor scratch duo ships with the audio 4 DJ and the software only does 2 decks ..
Nickole Krautbauer
24.03.2009
So am i right in saying that if i have Traktor pro 1.1 and the Audio 4 DJ and i buy the time code vinyl i can use the traktor scratch functionality. If so why does Traktor scratch ship with Audio 8 (is this for 4 decks?
Deryco 8
11.03.2009
So did anyone manage to get this working with the timecode option? Why would they add phono pre-amps if not to have timecode??
Quiana Mahnken
11.03.2009
i have audio 4 great never had a problem still never got into the full functions of sound card but great tool
Deann Brabander
10.03.2009
sweet, i'm picking one up tommorow at Steve's music.. a bit pricey 270 tho..

anyone know a cheaper store? in Toronto

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