Pioneer - Dawn of a new Species
Pioneer - Dawn of a new Species Posted on: 18.08.2009 by Amira Rigsbee Looks like Pioneer are looking to announce something big:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmbXKk1X9h0 | |
| Kevin Kane 04.09.2009 |
Originally Posted by DJ_Ze_MigL
But that would be really ace if they would've used some better connectors! My LAN connectors always break |
| gilbert hatem 04.09.2009 |
Originally Posted by gh987
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| Roni Batchan 16.09.2009 | This'll take so long to filter into the Club market... the 1000 has been the unwavering industry standard for clubs since it came out (and there was no predecessor in the CD market) then came along the 800, which was a cheaper option for clubs to take - but how many venues who aren't endorsed by Pioneer are going to take up the new model? I'd hazard a guess that most proprietors wont be able to tell the difference, other than the cost - and i wouldnt be surprised if the majority deemed them an unnecessary addition. There's already been a solution for anti-laptop DJs to use serato/traktor without it taking the main stage in the booth (the standard 'put it out of the way' approach..) - Frankly I'm not too excited about this new player. Unless they've been totally bluffing with the promo videos - then we might have something worth looking at Meh.. |
| Lolita Breaker 16.09.2009 | http://www.skratchworx.com/news3/comments.php?id=1321
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| Classie Alvizo 12.09.2009 | hey Yeah agreed I dont believe it'll be all THAT different, a lot of hype really. For me, I believe the Eddie Halliwell video was particularly telling with all his mentions of software. OK my believeing that physically, it'll have a nice big colour screen which is pretty much conformed now, but other than that it'll be basically the same as a normal CDJ maybe with a couple of extra buttons or whatever for new functions. It'll still have to play CD's obviously, but what they'll be pushing is combining it with hard disk based music. It'll come with software, not necessarily like tractor or serato more like itunes, just for organising and previewing your music in the house and making up playlists etc. Built in recording will be there as one of the video's mentioned. You'll be able to plug in the laptop straight to the CDJ, or export your playlists to a USB memory stick, and scroll through the tracks from the CDJ screen, and it'll have some sort of link so that you can see the tracks from either deck no matter what one your lappy/HDD is plugged into. And for the changeover comments maybe you'll be able to plug into the second deck's USB slot at the same time as the first DJ, or a second one on the same deck, play your first track without a gap before the first DJ unplugs his. k |
| Danita Maslach 12.09.2009 | So I see Paul Woolford has done the latest video for the "new species". This got my attention as Mr Woolford is an absolute hero of mine. Pioneer really are unloading against the competition as you can tell his comments are aimed towards traktor and serato (amongst other software based systems). Slating both the sound quality and the flexibility when taking over from a dj (which in all fairness is a pain). This is another pointless post I know as we can only speculate what the end product may be. I just believe Pioneer will have burned many bridges if they get this wrong. |
| Doug Bieling 09.09.2009 | ahh really ... i'd never seen that one til today, just the interview with JZ |
| Danita Maslach 09.09.2009 | that picture has been floating around for a while now |
| Doug Bieling 09.09.2009 | http://www.thedjbusiness.co.uk/equip...ewspecies.html check out the pictures here, you can see teh unit with the big screen i predicted and what looks like maybe a media card reader at the front. Looks to small for cds i believe ... or maybe its just the angle of the shot. |
| Kevin Kane 04.09.2009 |
Originally Posted by DJ_Ze_MigL
But that would be really ace if they would've used some better connectors! My LAN connectors always break |
| Luann Scatterday 04.09.2009 | The stuff is almost all there already in the form of a CDJ400 ... USB conection (I believe the future might bring lan conection between devices like mixers/ cdjs.. a bit like the mlan which unfurtunately never took off, this will share settings, hdd devices and make all "audio connections"), db reading... don't believe pioneer will ever have rotating platers ... \ Z |
| Hertha Fang 04.09.2009 | seriously if the product is that good the hype isn't really necessary, actually I take that back, there are too many dumb wankers who can't believe for themselves and only know what makes you legit. Rather it is unfortunate that these ads will be reflected in the price as I doubt that these videos come cheaply. |
| gilbert hatem 04.09.2009 | Yeah I watched the interviews and it sounds like a cdj that is used like a controller... but with/without a computer... so its like... a controller with a built in computer... that you still need to attach to your computer. Well. Hmm. |
| Lilliana Perris 04.09.2009 | I don't believe there will be MUCH difference here...... A lot of HYPE if you ask me. I believe all that will be added is that you will be able to link your harddrive or it has an internal HHD. a few more controling features...and thats IT! |
| gilbert hatem 04.09.2009 |
Originally Posted by gh987
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| Danita Maslach 04.09.2009 | These videos are really starting to annoy me now as I just know that nothing can live up to this hype! Its definitively believe its going to have some sort of management software as so many people are barking on about organizing samples/tracks/loops etc. I dont see how this could be possible by using just a small screen on a cdj.
how much are they paid by pioneer ??!
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| Everett Pervez 03.09.2009 | videos 3 & 4...how much are they paid by pioneer ??! ^^ http://www.djsounds.com/08/28/dawn-of-a-new-species-3/ http://www.djsounds.com/09/03/dawn-of-a-new-species-4/ |
| Random X 03.09.2009 | I am still believeing a single deck CDJ equivalent of the numark NS7. |
| Cristian Carmona 02.09.2009 | 1. Better LCD screen 2. SD to store MP3/Cue Points/Loops 3 USB to hook up external HD Im psychic damn it! |
| Karine Noe 02.09.2009 | My bet would be an usb connection so you easily can plug in your own USB drive (where your music is sorted the way you want it) and then decode the songs to the player. I would be really impressed if this truly was something ground breaking, but I have a gut feeling that tells me that this will be a huge flop and probably the end for pioneer as the leader of the pack out at the clubs. In my mind the only "club standard" in the future will be a mixer with an integrated sound card, unless someone creates a really kick ass controller that works with both traktor/serato and ableton. |
| Danita Maslach 02.09.2009 | This is really bugging me now because I want to go out and buy traktor but feel I should wait for this. Here's my guess: It will come with some sort of itunes software that allows you to manage and create set's/crates from your tracks. These are then exported to either a USB, cd or directly pulled from your laptop via usb (the laptop screen could be closed for this as long as its still running). Midi will be via USB and clocked to something like ableton if required (the cdj as the master). I dont believe the cdj screen will link to software like traktor or ableton as I cannot see how this would be possible. I dont believe a hard-drive will be included, probably just a large amount of RAM to dump the sets/crates in from the USB/CD/Laptop. Plus I imagine there would be an issue of people stealing tracks left on club cdjs. -- Suppose we will just have to wait and see! |
| Luann Scatterday 25.08.2009 | 4 sure it will be a sort of CDJ-1000 with CDJ-400 feat.s plus de database reading capabilities, expect to read from usb aswell. The Screen should be lots better than current models & with more info, so should be the navigation thru a track (wave display), track or folders ... easier and more "visual". Fisically there shouldn't be that much different from current top models! I wouldn't be surprised if in some near future the CDJs or newer models don't use any CD/ DVD mechanism. Good point about the looking at the screen issue... BUT I have to agree that we need as much visual cue from the decks/ mixer as possible... I feel that TR-1 by vestax is way better that and odd controller that I can configure to do what ever I need, mainly because it feels natural, if I look at it I know almost exactly everything what's going on.. just like a set of decks+mixer... I mean if the sounds cuts mid-set what do look immediately ?? CDJ/ TT, then mixer channel, levels etc... so you still need that sort of almost "subliminal" info! Cheer, Z Z |
| Vernon Positano 25.08.2009 | I'm all for the advancement of technology, but I'm not sure this is the way forward. There seems to be a big 'not looking at the laptop screen' thing going on.. DJ's don't stare at the laptop screen pointlessly.. its because its got some info on it they need at the time. And just like any performer, they have to remember to keep connected to the crowd, whatever medium they use to play out. Plus... given that this thing is undoubtedly gonna cost a fortune.. you may as well just have a laptop and hid/midi controller(s). |
| Roni Batchan 25.08.2009 | it also just occured to me - would anyone here ever take someone's USB pen with their latest production on, mid-set and play it out? surely that would be a horrible idea! |
| Roni Batchan 25.08.2009 |
Originally Posted by djlokifl
I believe i've concluded (until they bring out "dawn of a new species: round 3, Carl Cox") that they're just high end CDJ 400s. I mean come on - they can't have come up with any groundbreaking technology to revolutionise DJing for the better... and Phaidon, I'm feelin you there! |
| Herschel January 24.08.2009 | Not to be the voice of opposition, but if you were really truly impressed with something, would you refer to them as "things"? True, he might have been told not to mention the name, but did he really look impressed? I don't believe he did. have to agree with the anti-climax statement from Belchman |
| Dolores Sefcovic 24.08.2009 |
Originally Posted by Sam
Looks like they are going to be DVS geared cdj's with some midi control based on this. |
| Roni Batchan 24.08.2009 | Pioneer are bastards! The more and more we hear about this new species.. the less revolutionary it seems its gonna be - therefore, the more it seems like huge anti climax. I hope they make toast and crumpets |
| Amira Rigsbee 24.08.2009 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asms018viko |
| Luann Scatterday 23.08.2009 | there will not be a follow up on the CDj-1000 ... there will certainly be at least 2 new cdj models ... "aparently" formats will incresingly be dropped ... USB will be the next step as already seen on CDJ-400 ... the new species will for sure have at least al the new and distintive feat. of the cdj400... there is some talks of being able to leave your computer at home but still maybe use the new cdjs in familiar DVS style ... so "predictably" that means Album art, playlists, etc... I believe Pioneer have had they're own Virtual DJ app (PC only) for some years but never had much luck, so I would believe they'll be looking into making they're products more and more itunes/ traktor/ serato friendly For all due purposes this is only hear say ... just my 2 cents... PS - I guess everyone will be much more excited with maybe some future new mixers PS 2 - Although it looks like Pioneer have been sleeping on guard, all I can say is that they're very much on cue and forward believeing Z www.myspace.com/djzemigl Z |
| Delcie Cookingham 20.08.2009 |
Originally Posted by gh987
Keeping the above in mind, I did take the time to go through all the material there is on the new toy (and thus far, that is not much - JZ's video and an extreamely dark teaser advertisement) and take a close look to the things Pioneer currently holds in their lineup. I also considered what would make most sense for them to do. My strong belief is that the "new species" might be something not entirely unlike what I came up with - then again, I could be 100% wrong also. There is a bit more on my blog - in case you're interested in my reasoning behind the image. |
| Bernice Trieu 19.08.2009 | Hope the price will be reasonable and the gear a real nouveaut |
| Roni Batchan 19.08.2009 | Thinking about it - surely a pioneer HDD player would be fairly unnecessary? unless you're a really swanky mobile DJ... They're really going overkill on the whole HDD jive I believe. Sure, Mr. Zabiela doesn't like DVS, but there are plenty of big DJs who've got around the laptop 'email checking' barrier (Richie Hawtin, Carl Cox, Tongy etc..) It would be more important for them to take a new tac and develop something really innovative. Something like the SVM-1000, which is really different from anything ever seen before. I don't believe there's much of a universal market for anything that's anything like the mk. 3 - especially in this economic climate, no club's gonna care enough to upgrade them at the understandable cost - especially as most club owners aren't geeky DJs, and see their current CDJs pulling crowds every evening . I really hope they're going to surprise us |
| Herschel January 19.08.2009 | Two things that I see coming from pioneer 1) A well devised player that will be severly expensive and the new rage in CD Decks 2) Nothing that makes it a new species. HDD player already exist Large screens on controllers/cd players already exist CD decks already exist hense not a new species A chicken can have kids with a lizard and it would be a new species, but that doesn't mean that it's usefull or a step in the right direction. |
| Adolf Hit 19.08.2009 | I reckon an upgraded mk3 with no hard drive, but flash and maybe usb HDD support, a large decent rez screen which allows decent on deck track selection, wave form graphics etc. Probably midi support to some level. I would guess the application will allow you to prepare the tracks grid, cue points, loops etc at home as well. |
| Danita Maslach 19.08.2009 | Thats definitively a fake although would agree that it will resemble something like that. The thing is people moan about looking at laptop screens but all it means is that they will be now looking at a screen (a much smaller one) on a cdj! I have cdjs and love using them but its crazy owning a pair to simply use as a midi controller which is why I am selling. --- and another: |
| Roni Batchan 18.08.2009 | ooh I definitely like the look of Sam's picture. Although we all know it's gonna cost the earth. I'd stab at |
| Amira Rigsbee 18.08.2009 | This image has been floating around An obvious fake: - No more track forward/back buttons, you won't miss those ;-) - A fourth hot loop button is just not intuitive anymore - What's with the direction button "both"? Depending on your luck it will play forward or backwards? - No more 'CDJ' jog mode? Sure, who needs that anyhow? - Pitch bend buttons instead of a rotary button. Great, that way, you can press the button to give 0,50% increments, giving a very very smooth transition :-) But may actualy resemble what it ends up looking like. |
| Brunilda Kora 18.08.2009 | A CDJ with a harddrive is probably the way to go - it would be great to start moving away from laptop screens... |
| Random X 18.08.2009 | I am agreeing with mistermoleymole here! |
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