Stanton DJ announces the unveiling of the SCS.3m
Stanton DJ announces the unveiling of the SCS.3m Posted on: 20.03.2009 by Random X
The next installment in their award-winning, touch sensitive SC System 3 series controllers. The SC System 3 was designed to provide DJs with the most intuitive, yet mobile and user friendly controller solution for their favorite DJ software.
The SCS.3m MIDI mixer controller translates the familiar design philosophy of a traditional 2 channel mixer into a portable, easy-to-use control surface built with the acclaimed StanTouch?? touch sensitive technology introduced in its deck controller counterpart, the Stanton SCS.3d. With the addition of the SCS.3m to the series, The SC System 3 now offers up a total control solution that allows any DJ, beginner or pro, to plug and play anywhere in the world within minutes...just in time for the 2009 Winter Music Conference. Stanton's WMC presence will kick off on March 25 with the A|X Music Lounge presented by Sirius XM, a private event held in the penthouse suite of the Raleigh Hotel. At the event, Stanton will give top DJs and press attendees from all over the world an exclusive first look at the new SCS.3m and the System 3 Controller solution. Beginning Thursday, March 26, through Saturday, March 28, exclusive live performances and demonstrations of the SC System controllers will be conducted at 12:30pm and 2pm daily in Stanton's cabana #1406 at the Remix Hotel Miami, situated in the National Hotel. Special sets by DJs Richard Devine, Stryke, Miss Mee, Topcat, mLE, and more will give end users insight into the performance benefits and capabilities that can be achieved with Stanton's new controllers. The company's Cerwin-Vega pro audio line will also be on site as the official sound sponsor of the popular Beatport Stage at Remix Hotel, which will feature a full performance schedule of internationally known DJs. To further educate attendees on DJ controllerism, Stanton will also host a seminar at the Official Winter Music Conference site on Friday, March 27 at 2:30 pm, entitled "Stanton Presents SC System: The Future of Midi Control." The seminar will feature a discussion on what the future holds for DJ MIDI control, giving insight into the development of, and philosophy behind, the SC System controller line. The event will be hosted by Stanton product development representatives and several special guests at the Miami Beach Resort & Spa in the Regency Conference Room. Following the Winter Music Conference, the SCS.3m will make its official international debut on April 1st at Stanton's Musikmesse booth in Frankfurt, Germany. Full product details and information will be released at that time in conjunction with this event. (thanks to aboutdj.nl for spotting) | |
| Jayne Yellowhair 01.10.2009 |
Originally Posted by sj03w4t
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| Diogo Dj Dragão 28.09.2009 |
Originally Posted by thictool
If you want to use the data directly off the SCS.1 controllers, you'll need to ask for a MIDI thru preset. But beware that many programs don't respond well to the high speed data that the SCS.1d sends by default and can crash if some sort of filtering isn't done in a preset. |
| Benita Jankauskas 28.09.2009 |
Originally Posted by nem0nic
if you can pass it along at stanton that a unit with hardware based memory and presets with pages and the like would be worth a little higher price to me. if it had a visual interface based template editor like the remote sl does where you could custom assign all your midi commands and save directly to the hardware I would easily see it as being worth another $50, $200 is a really good price for an item with this functionality, but if I had to pay $250 for the same thing with a hardware based memory and no software go between I would have no complaints at all. I believe you guys nailed this thing about %90, the other %10 is just room for growth. |
| Victor BlueDragon 25.10.2009 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=786R5FigpQ0 |
| alfredo moreira 08.10.2009 | hah! that is both awesome, and hilarious! |
| Jayne Yellowhair 01.10.2009 |
Originally Posted by sj03w4t
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| Jayne Yellowhair 30.09.2009 | I'm having trouble using the center circle of the scs.3d for scratching/searching through a single track within Traktor scratch pro.. Is this possible? if so, how? any help is appreciated.. thanks |
| Diogo Dj Dragão 28.09.2009 |
thank you for your time and input nem0mic...
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| Diogo Dj Dragão 28.09.2009 |
Originally Posted by thictool
If you want to use the data directly off the SCS.1 controllers, you'll need to ask for a MIDI thru preset. But beware that many programs don't respond well to the high speed data that the SCS.1d sends by default and can crash if some sort of filtering isn't done in a preset. |
| alfredo moreira 28.09.2009 | thank you for your time and input nem0mic. it really does help to get info about what's going into it, and i can definitely see the appeal when they decided to take this software route. even if it's not for all of us. hopefully things will improve and it will become a little easier on the end user. at any rate, i appreciate that you try to help people out w/o getting angry or annoyed with the same questions/complaints over and over again. |
| Madlyn Trocino 28.09.2009 | Well, you ALWAYS have the option of mapping to the SCS.3 devices directly, as they all speak MIDI naively. The only problem is that the SCS.3d operates in what we call "super slider" mode - meaning that each slider sends both a relative and absolute CC message (along with note on/off data). This makes MIDI learning difficult in some circumstances, but we also have a pretty complete spec available so you have a reference for manual entry. The benefit of super slider mode is that unlike most MIDI controllers, you have the option out of the box to map any control position with relative or absolute CC, or note data (or both if needed - like to map towards scratching messages). Nemonic - im curious, how exactly do you use/map the SCS 1m without using DaRouter? |
| Diogo Dj Dragão 28.09.2009 | That's really good feedback for us Mike. Unfortunately, we have to take baby steps with this kind of change because we've already established a "spec" for how it all will work. It's also a little rough because we don't have the resources in place right now to design software. But we did hear the feedback from you guys with the SCS.3d, which is why the SCS.3m operates with some built in logic. There's a proof of concept SCS.3m software config app being worked on, but right now that's as far as it goes. And I have no idea if this will be compelling enough for everyone to OK it's development. I have my fingers crossed, though. |
| Benita Jankauskas 28.09.2009 |
Originally Posted by nem0nic
if you can pass it along at stanton that a unit with hardware based memory and presets with pages and the like would be worth a little higher price to me. if it had a visual interface based template editor like the remote sl does where you could custom assign all your midi commands and save directly to the hardware I would easily see it as being worth another $50, $200 is a really good price for an item with this functionality, but if I had to pay $250 for the same thing with a hardware based memory and no software go between I would have no complaints at all. I believe you guys nailed this thing about %90, the other %10 is just room for growth. |
| Diogo Dj Dragão 28.09.2009 | http://www.stantondj.com/activekb/qu...questionid=108 That's if you want to map directly to the device. But typically the reason to change MIDI channels is so that you can work with multiple devices. For Traktor users, that is no longer a real concern with 1.2. DaRouter can aggregate all SCS devices into a single pair of ports, and that pair gets it's own tsi. Other devices can load their own tsi files and get addressed by Traktor individually. |
| alfredo moreira 27.09.2009 | i did notice that i could map the 3m by itself pretty easily and straight forward, w/o darouter. my brain started racing about possibilities of a modular typer setup with the 3m as the mixer, and other pieces for jogs/effects/transport etc. i have to agree with thictool. regardless of how much is going on under the hood with darouter and the scs system, i believe the simple ability to change midi channels of a device would circumvent all such hassle. that and modifiers if you have them available in your software of choice. |
| Diogo Dj Dragão 27.09.2009 | Well, you ALWAYS have the option of mapping to the SCS.3 devices directly, as they all speak MIDI naively. The only problem is that the SCS.3d operates in what we call "super slider" mode - meaning that each slider sends both a relative and absolute CC message (along with note on/off data). This makes MIDI learning difficult in some circumstances, but we also have a pretty complete spec available so you have a reference for manual entry. The benefit of super slider mode is that unlike most MIDI controllers, you have the option out of the box to map any control position with relative or absolute CC, or note data (or both if needed - like to map towards scratching messages). The SCS.3m will never act as a translator for other devices. It wasn't designed to do that, and that would be a problem in and of itself. What ruleset (preset) would it translate with? And how would users easily change that ruleset? Sorry, but DaRouter will probably always be a part of the SCS.3d. It IS possible to run the SCS.3d with a firmware that would emulate a preset, but there are many drawbacks to that. First as I mentioned earlier, the flashing process can wipe out the device. Second, because of the limited memory space, the "preset" would be basic and inflexible. And third, taking out DaRouter means taking out all of the other things we do with DaRouter to make sure that performance is good. DaRouter does a lot of redundant message filtering (for example, with MIDI feedback messages), message prioritizing, and device configuration (setting things like jitter). Because every program and OS has it's own set of issues, presets offer an elegant way of dealing with these variables. There's a LOT going on under the hood of the SCS controllers that the typical user doesn't notice. that's not to say that I don't understand your point. I've been in your situation - out with a different computer and no wireless connection. I ended up buying one of these... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820609296 ...that I keep loaded with shit I would typically need out. Current presets, program installs, registration info, etc. They're TINY, cheap, durable, and waterproof (don't ask). |
| Benita Jankauskas 27.09.2009 |
Originally Posted by nem0nic
does this mean that making a midi map template and saving it directly into the 3m is going to be possible in the future, so you can attach the 2 3d's and have them translated by the 3m, this would be more than acceptable as an alternative to firmware. the main concern that I have it if I ever need to run on a different computer which doesnt have darouter, this happened once but thankfully I had the darouter installer on my usb keychain drive and got going in 5 minutes, but that is the real drawback to software dependancy, you cant just switch comps in a hurry. |
| Diogo Dj Dragão 27.09.2009 | The SCS.3 devices are all capable of firmware updates, but this isn't our favorite option for a number of reasons. Primarily, the process of updating firmware - no matter how guided you make it - can be disastrous. This is why DaRouter exists, to provide the same or better functionality as a firmware update without jeopardizing the hardware or making any permanent changes. Further, because of the things we learned from the SCS.3d, the SCS.3m DOES have the capability to not only run on it's own (without DaRouter), but also has the capability to support the development of configuration software. |
| Benita Jankauskas 27.09.2009 | just curious if nemonic or bento could chime in here but I was wondering if the scs3 line is capable of being given a firmware update to enable midi assignments and pages without the darouter software? is the hardware capable of this for future upgrading like the vci's are and some other midi gear? |
| Madlyn Trocino 27.09.2009 |
Originally Posted by kilbot
SCS will never make it due to its partnership with DaROUTER. It is the most innovative idea to come down the pike in a while...yet the most under-developed in the history of DJ Mdi. If the Stanton SCS community is any indication of how well it is being recieved (with it grand total of 40 posts...lol) it shouldnt be long before they 1.) Realize whoever thought it would be a good idea to add a Bome based propriatory third party software in order to use Midi - SHOULD BE FIRED. Especially concidering Bome's is also a hugely unexplained mystery to use, with next to no support to speak of while using it with DJ software. 2.) Scrap the whole DaRouter/Bome interface and make it simple MIDI, which apparently is what their currently calling the "THRU" preset, which is avaliable....but times out after 20 minutes...BRILLANT !!! If Stanton doesnt do one (or both) of the above mentioned FAST....the state of SCS looks pretty if-ee. This is classic Stanton.... |
| Diogo Dj Dragão 26.09.2009 | We're moving offices and right now and some of the IT stuff is taking a hit. Hopefully everything will be back online in a couple more days. |
| Earl Ancelet 26.09.2009 | What happened to the Stanton community s? Seems to have been down for a few days. |
| Diogo Dj Dragão 25.09.2009 | There are several obvious things that can cause problems with the SCS.3 controllers, but they're all also things we talk about in great detail in the user manual. There are no special tricks to make it work, and they require no great amount of user input to configure. If I had to guess, I would say that either you have multiple MIDI devices marked as active in Traktor (instead of just the SCS.3 DaRouter I/O that we specify), or you're running the wrong preset/tsi combination. Feel free to PM me if you follow the instructions and still have trouble. |
| ceyhun gunaz 25.09.2009 | thats to bad... the things got a lotta potential! |
| Earl Ancelet 23.09.2009 | Yep, I will co-sign on the suggestion to start DaRouter before plugging in any of the controllers. I'm still on 1.0.29 as newer versions routinely crash on my system while Traktor is running. Even 1.0.29 craps out at least once per session. It's kind of annoying to have to restart it, especially with the nasty audio buzz that comes along with doing so. Imagine playing out with that nastiness. |
| alfredo moreira 22.09.2009 | that's a quick and easy list. thanks. the only thing i believe i haven't tried from it is starting darouter before connecting the scs3 system. i suppose its worth a go... i'll try toevening after work. |
| Yajaira Hibbitts 22.09.2009 |
Originally Posted by kilbot
- close other applications before installing darouter - start darouter before plugging in the scs3 system - dont forget to plug in the adaptor that comes with the system - connect the usb of the scs3 system to your usb with the adaptor plugged in after darouter is started - select the scs3 system dual deck v0.99 - and choose scs3 system traktor pro tsi - make sure your 3m and 3ds are in the right driver. both your 3ds should have different drivers you can check in darouter. - open traktor and select darouter emulated for both midi in and out. guess im lucky that the scs3 system works for me and im having a blast with it. even having midi customization with it. i did encounter problems with like latency but i manage to defrag using jkdefrag for those who are using windows vista and xp. and also i encounter problems like the controller not responding and certain buttons not working and darouter hanging but i solve that by starting darouter first then plugging in your system and take note of this, WITH ADAPTOR PLUGGED IN as your usb hub might not have enough power for the two 3ds and a 3m. dont give up on the scs3 system as i was disheartened at first but i didnt give up on it. and it payed off. |
| alfredo moreira 22.09.2009 | this is more of a little rant than anything. i've mulled over the community
s at stanton, and i feel its a lost cause. i feel more at home on this community
though, haha. not really looking for a fix, as i don't plan on keeping them now. just ranting. |
| alfredo moreira 22.09.2009 | i'm using with a macbook. and with no other controllers. just 2 3d's and 1 3m. the problems i'm having is basically with darouter i guess. none the presets seems to work correctly, and a lot of the controls seem to do random things within the traktor. i've yet to see any of the 3m's functionality come through. and of course i can't just map w/o using darouter, b/c both the 3d's will send the same messages, and the 3m doesn't even show up... hah i've looked into different darouter versions and all that too. it's all way too much work and headache than i'm willing to give, because honestly i could easily and straight forwardly map just about any other controller. |
| Yajaira Hibbitts 22.09.2009 |
Originally Posted by kilbot
are you a mac user or pc? what is the problem you are encountering with the controllers? are using it with any other controllers? for me the only other controllers im using it with is a nanopad and a nanokontrol. |
| alfredo moreira 22.09.2009 | haha these damned controllers are driving me insane! i simply cannot handle the madness that is trying to get them to work properly. i've spent hours with them in traktor to no avail. so i start downloading demos of most of the other popular dj software, and no luck with any of them. i've tried with presets made for particular software, as well as the generic presets. i don't understand why you can't just simply do a midi mapping like normal, but having a touch interface? it would be so nice and easy, at least in my mind. but i'm no programmer. |
| Yajaira Hibbitts 17.09.2009 | all i can say is the scs3 system is awesome controller which open lots of possibilities for me in digital djing and controllerism. yes i encountered problems at the start with the scs3 system but after solving issues and knowing how to go about solving it, the scs3 system is a good controller and its affordable. i would use this controller alone for future live sets. and im running the system with vista. |
| Diogo Dj Dragão 08.09.2009 | Water-PROOF? No. Water resistant? I would say they're leaps and bounds better than your typical gear. |
| DJ MENSAH 08.09.2009 | Are scs water-proof? kilbot, sorry to hear about your mishap. |
| alfredo moreira 08.09.2009 | my poor vci-100 took a spill at a party (i like people to be all up on and around me dancing)... and some of the faders got bent :*( so this is a reason i want to try out the 3d's again, with the 3m. if i didn't have to worry about protruding knobs and faders taking a beating, then all i'd have to worry about is the lappy haha |
| Diogo Dj Dragão 31.08.2009 | Primary carriers for the SCS.3 pack are going to be Guitar Center and Best Buy in the US. Outside the US, it's going to be harder to find it, as most of those dealers opted to carry the SCS.3m as a single device instead. Look for dealers that are offering deals on "packs" of the controllers. The actual packs just started rolling out a couple weeks ago from our warehouse, so it's not surprising that they're still a little hard to find right now. |
| Shaina Condley 31.08.2009 | I tried to order the last one from Floridamusicco but cant do so.....im currently in Macau and my CC is based in NYC...so they cant ship to me Im looking for another dealer at the moment... New Guy |
| alfredo moreira 31.08.2009 | they sure are slow about making these things available. |
| Yevette Matatall 26.08.2009 | I want this, Who is the best supplier to purchase from online and have sent. (to Indonesia) |
| Victor BlueDragon 26.08.2009 | How many times I typed out an explanation on how to do that and then deleted it, believeing it would sound too ghetto. |
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