MIDI Fighter Announcement vs NI Controller Announcement So which controller are you more excited for? The NI Traktor Controller, or DJTT's very own MIDI Fighter?
I know I'm looking forward to that sexy little grid of arcade buttons, myself. |
Linette Skelnik
24.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
It was designed primarily as a Controller for DVS and External Mixer use. To compete in the Xone 1D and Faderfox market which is does a great job of considering its power (which may not be obvious on paper).
It baffles me that people can rubbish something just because it doesnt fit their particular needs.
Some guy said it was a "total waste of time" because it lacked Jog Wheels???
Its made for people who dont want jog wheels.
The X1 is cheap and aimed at a certain market , I believe it hits the market well. It wasnt ever meant to be an Xone 4d or Maven.
I also believe the X1 hits it's intended market spot on. I've been mulling over options of what set up to adopt when making the shift to the digital world. I was believeing for a little while there that I was going to buy the new Xone DX and Traktor Pro to use with it (because I didnt want to use itch) but that was going to cost in excess of |
Linette Skelnik
24.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
It was designed primarily as a Controller for DVS and External Mixer use. To compete in the Xone 1D and Faderfox market which is does a great job of considering its power (which may not be obvious on paper).
It baffles me that people can rubbish something just because it doesnt fit their particular needs.
Some guy said it was a "total waste of time" because it lacked Jog Wheels???
Its made for people who dont want jog wheels.
The X1 is cheap and aimed at a certain market , I believe it hits the market well. It wasnt ever meant to be an Xone 4d or Maven.
I also believe the X1 hits it's intended market spot on. I've been mulling over options of what set up to adopt when making the shift to the digital world. I was believeing for a little while there that I was going to buy the new Xone DX and Traktor Pro to use with it (because I didnt want to use itch) but that was going to cost in excess of |
Linette Skelnik
24.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
It was designed primarily as a Controller for DVS and External Mixer use. To compete in the Xone 1D and Faderfox market which is does a great job of considering its power (which may not be obvious on paper).
It baffles me that people can rubbish something just because it doesnt fit their particular needs.
Some guy said it was a "total waste of time" because it lacked Jog Wheels???
Its made for people who dont want jog wheels.
The X1 is cheap and aimed at a certain market , I believe it hits the market well. It wasnt ever meant to be an Xone 4d or Maven.
I also believe the X1 hits it's intended market spot on. I've been mulling over options of what set up to adopt when making the shift to the digital world. I was believeing for a little while there that I was going to buy the new Xone DX and Traktor Pro to use with it (because I didnt want to use itch) but that was going to cost in excess of |
Linette Skelnik
24.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
It was designed primarily as a Controller for DVS and External Mixer use. To compete in the Xone 1D and Faderfox market which is does a great job of considering its power (which may not be obvious on paper).
It baffles me that people can rubbish something just because it doesnt fit their particular needs.
Some guy said it was a "total waste of time" because it lacked Jog Wheels???
Its made for people who dont want jog wheels.
The X1 is cheap and aimed at a certain market , I believe it hits the market well. It wasnt ever meant to be an Xone 4d or Maven.
I also believe the X1 hits it's intended market spot on. I've been mulling over options of what set up to adopt when making the shift to the digital world. I was believeing for a little while there that I was going to buy the new Xone DX and Traktor Pro to use with it (because I didnt want to use itch) but that was going to cost in excess of |
Linette Skelnik
24.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
It was designed primarily as a Controller for DVS and External Mixer use. To compete in the Xone 1D and Faderfox market which is does a great job of considering its power (which may not be obvious on paper).
It baffles me that people can rubbish something just because it doesnt fit their particular needs.
Some guy said it was a "total waste of time" because it lacked Jog Wheels???
Its made for people who dont want jog wheels.
The X1 is cheap and aimed at a certain market , I believe it hits the market well. It wasnt ever meant to be an Xone 4d or Maven.
I also believe the X1 hits it's intended market spot on. I've been mulling over options of what set up to adopt when making the shift to the digital world. I was believeing for a little while there that I was going to buy the new Xone DX and Traktor Pro to use with it (because I didnt want to use itch) but that was going to cost in excess of |
Linette Skelnik
24.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
It was designed primarily as a Controller for DVS and External Mixer use. To compete in the Xone 1D and Faderfox market which is does a great job of considering its power (which may not be obvious on paper).
It baffles me that people can rubbish something just because it doesnt fit their particular needs.
Some guy said it was a "total waste of time" because it lacked Jog Wheels???
Its made for people who dont want jog wheels.
The X1 is cheap and aimed at a certain market , I believe it hits the market well. It wasnt ever meant to be an Xone 4d or Maven.
I also believe the X1 hits it's intended market spot on. I've been mulling over options of what set up to adopt when making the shift to the digital world. I was believeing for a little while there that I was going to buy the new Xone DX and Traktor Pro to use with it (because I didnt want to use itch) but that was going to cost in excess of |
Linette Skelnik
24.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
It was designed primarily as a Controller for DVS and External Mixer use. To compete in the Xone 1D and Faderfox market which is does a great job of considering its power (which may not be obvious on paper).
It baffles me that people can rubbish something just because it doesnt fit their particular needs.
Some guy said it was a "total waste of time" because it lacked Jog Wheels???
Its made for people who dont want jog wheels.
The X1 is cheap and aimed at a certain market , I believe it hits the market well. It wasnt ever meant to be an Xone 4d or Maven.
I also believe the X1 hits it's intended market spot on. I've been mulling over options of what set up to adopt when making the shift to the digital world. I was believeing for a little while there that I was going to buy the new Xone DX and Traktor Pro to use with it (because I didnt want to use itch) but that was going to cost in excess of |
Linette Skelnik
24.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
It was designed primarily as a Controller for DVS and External Mixer use. To compete in the Xone 1D and Faderfox market which is does a great job of considering its power (which may not be obvious on paper).
It baffles me that people can rubbish something just because it doesnt fit their particular needs.
Some guy said it was a "total waste of time" because it lacked Jog Wheels???
Its made for people who dont want jog wheels.
The X1 is cheap and aimed at a certain market , I believe it hits the market well. It wasnt ever meant to be an Xone 4d or Maven.
I also believe the X1 hits it's intended market spot on. I've been mulling over options of what set up to adopt when making the shift to the digital world. I was believeing for a little while there that I was going to buy the new Xone DX and Traktor Pro to use with it (because I didnt want to use itch) but that was going to cost in excess of |
Linette Skelnik
24.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
It was designed primarily as a Controller for DVS and External Mixer use. To compete in the Xone 1D and Faderfox market which is does a great job of considering its power (which may not be obvious on paper).
It baffles me that people can rubbish something just because it doesnt fit their particular needs.
Some guy said it was a "total waste of time" because it lacked Jog Wheels???
Its made for people who dont want jog wheels.
The X1 is cheap and aimed at a certain market , I believe it hits the market well. It wasnt ever meant to be an Xone 4d or Maven.
I also believe the X1 hits it's intended market spot on. I've been mulling over options of what set up to adopt when making the shift to the digital world. I was believeing for a little while there that I was going to buy the new Xone DX and Traktor Pro to use with it (because I didnt want to use itch) but that was going to cost in excess of |
Kayleen Positano
23.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Lantau
Compared to the nearest equivalent I can see which is a Novation Launchpad ( |
nayit ruiz jaramillo
23.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
I'm sorry that I don't like the NI controller, I'm sure you had some say in the design process and you feel personally about it. I just feel it lacks a lot and had a lot of potential. I believe you guys at NI should have been more involved with the community in figuring out what the consumer wants in designing it. If there's a Rev 2 version or another more advanced version maybe you guys could do a design contest or work with the community more to produce a controller that more people will want.
It seems geared towards the external mixer crowd which in general wants a lot more features and options where this controller seems more simplistic offering relatively limited and basic control. I'm sure you have seen some of the crazy 1D and 4D maps among the other advanced MIDI maps out there for other controllers and how many parameters in Traktor people manage to map to them. That should be an indication that people want total control without touching the keyboard and mouse, and NI has the potential to produce something to meet those needs better than any other controller currently available.
No i had no involvement in the X1.
I really dont care what people believe about it unless they talk rubbish.
Its clearly not "junk". You havent used one but you bash it like it is a complete failure.
It was designed primarily as a Controller for DVS and External Mixer use. To compete in the Xone 1D and Faderfox market which is does a great job of considering its power (which may not be obvious on paper).
It baffles me that people can rubbish something just because it doesnt fit their particular needs.
Some guy said it was a "total waste of time" because it lacked Jog Wheels???
Its made for people who dont want jog wheels.
Its like saying "That Dog is rubbish , its nothing like my cat"
It always amazes me when people assume that making a piece of gear by some kind of whacky democracy will produce the perfect item. What makes you believe that NI arent capable of making stuff without the help of over opinionated users (that means people in general not a dig at you , please dont take that personally).
NI have got a pretty successful range of products.
The X1 is cheap and aimed at a certain market , I believe it hits the market well. It wasnt ever meant to be an Xone 4d or Maven.
I also found that assuming that the Midi Fighter will be overpriced and that you can build one yourself for less was a little rash.
Looks like it will be a great success. Well done i say.
Jus sayin'
Originally Posted by Lantau
Compared to the nearest equivalent I can see which is a Novation Launchpad ( |
Lolita Breaker
23.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
Your shittin' me that is cheap. Sweet.
Compared to the nearest equivalent I can see which is a Novation Launchpad ( |
Linette Skelnik
24.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
It was designed primarily as a Controller for DVS and External Mixer use. To compete in the Xone 1D and Faderfox market which is does a great job of considering its power (which may not be obvious on paper).
It baffles me that people can rubbish something just because it doesnt fit their particular needs.
Some guy said it was a "total waste of time" because it lacked Jog Wheels???
Its made for people who dont want jog wheels.
The X1 is cheap and aimed at a certain market , I believe it hits the market well. It wasnt ever meant to be an Xone 4d or Maven.
I also believe the X1 hits it's intended market spot on. I've been mulling over options of what set up to adopt when making the shift to the digital world. I was believeing for a little while there that I was going to buy the new Xone DX and Traktor Pro to use with it (because I didnt want to use itch) but that was going to cost in excess of |
Kayleen Positano
23.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Lantau
Compared to the nearest equivalent I can see which is a Novation Launchpad ( |
Random X
23.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by midifidler
Wait till ya see it plugged in!
mmmm... hot sex on a platter! |
Adolf Hit
23.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by janzak
Also, the Midi Fighter looks sexy as fuck
Wait till ya see it plugged in! |
nayit ruiz jaramillo
23.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
I'm sorry that I don't like the NI controller, I'm sure you had some say in the design process and you feel personally about it. I just feel it lacks a lot and had a lot of potential. I believe you guys at NI should have been more involved with the community in figuring out what the consumer wants in designing it. If there's a Rev 2 version or another more advanced version maybe you guys could do a design contest or work with the community more to produce a controller that more people will want.
It seems geared towards the external mixer crowd which in general wants a lot more features and options where this controller seems more simplistic offering relatively limited and basic control. I'm sure you have seen some of the crazy 1D and 4D maps among the other advanced MIDI maps out there for other controllers and how many parameters in Traktor people manage to map to them. That should be an indication that people want total control without touching the keyboard and mouse, and NI has the potential to produce something to meet those needs better than any other controller currently available.
No i had no involvement in the X1.
I really dont care what people believe about it unless they talk rubbish.
Its clearly not "junk". You havent used one but you bash it like it is a complete failure.
It was designed primarily as a Controller for DVS and External Mixer use. To compete in the Xone 1D and Faderfox market which is does a great job of considering its power (which may not be obvious on paper).
It baffles me that people can rubbish something just because it doesnt fit their particular needs.
Some guy said it was a "total waste of time" because it lacked Jog Wheels???
Its made for people who dont want jog wheels.
Its like saying "That Dog is rubbish , its nothing like my cat"
It always amazes me when people assume that making a piece of gear by some kind of whacky democracy will produce the perfect item. What makes you believe that NI arent capable of making stuff without the help of over opinionated users (that means people in general not a dig at you , please dont take that personally).
NI have got a pretty successful range of products.
The X1 is cheap and aimed at a certain market , I believe it hits the market well. It wasnt ever meant to be an Xone 4d or Maven.
I also found that assuming that the Midi Fighter will be overpriced and that you can build one yourself for less was a little rash.
Looks like it will be a great success. Well done i say.
Jus sayin'
Originally Posted by Lantau
Compared to the nearest equivalent I can see which is a Novation Launchpad ( |
Lolita Breaker
23.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
Your shittin' me that is cheap. Sweet.
Compared to the nearest equivalent I can see which is a Novation Launchpad ( |
Romelia Stankard
23.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
No surprise there. Meh.
I'm sorry that I don't like the NI controller, I'm sure you had some say in the design process and you feel personally about it. I just feel it lacks a lot and had a lot of potential. I believe you guys at NI should have been more involved with the community in figuring out what the consumer wants in designing it. If there's a Rev 2 version or another more advanced version maybe you guys could do a design contest or work with the community more to produce a controller that more people will want.
It seems geared towards the external mixer crowd which in general wants a lot more features and options where this controller seems more simplistic offering relatively limited and basic control. I'm sure you have seen some of the crazy 1D and 4D maps among the other advanced MIDI maps out there for other controllers and how many parameters in Traktor people manage to map to them. That should be an indication that people want total control without touching the keyboard and mouse, and NI has the potential to produce something to meet those needs better than any other controller currently available. |
nayit ruiz jaramillo
23.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
I was basing that on the assumption .
No surprise there. Meh.
Originally Posted by midifidler
The price is 125 + Buttons
Your shittin' me that is cheap. Sweet. |
Linette Skelnik
24.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
It was designed primarily as a Controller for DVS and External Mixer use. To compete in the Xone 1D and Faderfox market which is does a great job of considering its power (which may not be obvious on paper).
It baffles me that people can rubbish something just because it doesnt fit their particular needs.
Some guy said it was a "total waste of time" because it lacked Jog Wheels???
Its made for people who dont want jog wheels.
The X1 is cheap and aimed at a certain market , I believe it hits the market well. It wasnt ever meant to be an Xone 4d or Maven.
I also believe the X1 hits it's intended market spot on. I've been mulling over options of what set up to adopt when making the shift to the digital world. I was believeing for a little while there that I was going to buy the new Xone DX and Traktor Pro to use with it (because I didnt want to use itch) but that was going to cost in excess of |
Kayleen Positano
23.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Lantau
Compared to the nearest equivalent I can see which is a Novation Launchpad ( |
Random X
23.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by midifidler
Wait till ya see it plugged in!
mmmm... hot sex on a platter! |
Adolf Hit
23.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by janzak
Also, the Midi Fighter looks sexy as fuck
Wait till ya see it plugged in! |
Laraine Arceo
23.11.2009 | Also, the Midi Fighter looks sexy as fuck |
nayit ruiz jaramillo
23.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
I'm sorry that I don't like the NI controller, I'm sure you had some say in the design process and you feel personally about it. I just feel it lacks a lot and had a lot of potential. I believe you guys at NI should have been more involved with the community in figuring out what the consumer wants in designing it. If there's a Rev 2 version or another more advanced version maybe you guys could do a design contest or work with the community more to produce a controller that more people will want.
It seems geared towards the external mixer crowd which in general wants a lot more features and options where this controller seems more simplistic offering relatively limited and basic control. I'm sure you have seen some of the crazy 1D and 4D maps among the other advanced MIDI maps out there for other controllers and how many parameters in Traktor people manage to map to them. That should be an indication that people want total control without touching the keyboard and mouse, and NI has the potential to produce something to meet those needs better than any other controller currently available.
No i had no involvement in the X1.
I really dont care what people believe about it unless they talk rubbish.
Its clearly not "junk". You havent used one but you bash it like it is a complete failure.
It was designed primarily as a Controller for DVS and External Mixer use. To compete in the Xone 1D and Faderfox market which is does a great job of considering its power (which may not be obvious on paper).
It baffles me that people can rubbish something just because it doesnt fit their particular needs.
Some guy said it was a "total waste of time" because it lacked Jog Wheels???
Its made for people who dont want jog wheels.
Its like saying "That Dog is rubbish , its nothing like my cat"
It always amazes me when people assume that making a piece of gear by some kind of whacky democracy will produce the perfect item. What makes you believe that NI arent capable of making stuff without the help of over opinionated users (that means people in general not a dig at you , please dont take that personally).
NI have got a pretty successful range of products.
The X1 is cheap and aimed at a certain market , I believe it hits the market well. It wasnt ever meant to be an Xone 4d or Maven.
I also found that assuming that the Midi Fighter will be overpriced and that you can build one yourself for less was a little rash.
Looks like it will be a great success. Well done i say.
Jus sayin'
Originally Posted by Lantau
Compared to the nearest equivalent I can see which is a Novation Launchpad ( |
Lolita Breaker
23.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
Your shittin' me that is cheap. Sweet.
Compared to the nearest equivalent I can see which is a Novation Launchpad ( |
Romelia Stankard
23.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
No surprise there. Meh.
I'm sorry that I don't like the NI controller, I'm sure you had some say in the design process and you feel personally about it. I just feel it lacks a lot and had a lot of potential. I believe you guys at NI should have been more involved with the community in figuring out what the consumer wants in designing it. If there's a Rev 2 version or another more advanced version maybe you guys could do a design contest or work with the community more to produce a controller that more people will want.
It seems geared towards the external mixer crowd which in general wants a lot more features and options where this controller seems more simplistic offering relatively limited and basic control. I'm sure you have seen some of the crazy 1D and 4D maps among the other advanced MIDI maps out there for other controllers and how many parameters in Traktor people manage to map to them. That should be an indication that people want total control without touching the keyboard and mouse, and NI has the potential to produce something to meet those needs better than any other controller currently available. |
nayit ruiz jaramillo
23.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
I was basing that on the assumption .
No surprise there. Meh.
Originally Posted by midifidler
The price is 125 + Buttons
Your shittin' me that is cheap. Sweet. |
Logan Lassey
23.11.2009 | Any word on what the international shipping costs will be? |
Adolf Hit
23.11.2009 | The price is 125 + Buttons |
Logan Lassey
23.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by midifidler
We dont have any plans to do a bare bones PCB for now but if people express interest we would def consider options around this
Thanks for the reply, I would definitely be interested in this if you decided to do it |
Romelia Stankard
22.11.2009 | edit: nermind, already posted here and forgot.
@midifidler- Do we have an official price? I was basing that on the assumption that it would be $200 or more in which case yes I could build it for cheaper. If it is under 200 that is a different story. I still want one, price will be the determining factor if I get one. |
Adolf Hit
22.11.2009 | We dont have any plans to do a bare bones PCB for now but if people express interest we would def consider options around this |
Logan Lassey
22.11.2009 | Wow, I really am very impressed and intregued by this project, in equal measure. Congratulations to all those involved.
A question: will this be available in a "bare bones" circuitboard only kit in the future? |
Adolf Hit
22.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Adrian5
Oh yeah and they didn't use light up arcade buttons .
The standard light up arcade buttons are about 55 mm deep, that would have made the midifighter about 70 mm deep in total losing its portablility.
The only other way to get light up buttons is to MOD the low profile kind, which is what we hope people will be doing with these controllers.
The sanwa buttons were choosen as they have the best feel out of any of the arcade buttons, which is the purpose of using arcade buttons over pads.
Assembly takes about 5 minutes tops
@kelsey7k
Digital inputs will allow you to hook up 4 extra switches, or two rotaries, or four led outputs
Analog allows you to hook up four knobs, or four touch strips, or an accelerometer, or four faders and so on.
@Xonetacular
We are fully aware that this is not a complicated device, it is one designed to at the most basic level give someone who has never ventured into the art of DIY a great starting point by requiring no soldering, with room to learn and expand by their skills by taking advantage of the expansion port and open source design.
I have to ask what interface you would plan on using if building this for half the price that gives class compliant drivers with 16 inputs and 16 outputs. |
nayit ruiz jaramillo
22.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
The NI controller sucks balls. sure it has some backlit LEd buttons, but it is the same footprint (although annoyingly shallow and needs a special bag/riser to get it to mixer level) and has 1/4 of the potential of a Xone: 1D for the same price. Xone 1D > NI crap.
Funny. |
Barry Greenup
22.11.2009 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
If it is over $150 then I probably won't buy it since I could make one for half the price
Your gonna have to make one anyways if you buy it from them lol! You get all the parts you need to build the controller (minus the arcade buttons...). Thats why the price boggles my mind.
Oh yeah and they didn't use light up arcade buttons . |
Glynis Mangona
20.11.2009 | can someone explain (or point me to a resource) what types of controls would be compatible with the digital inputs and what would be analog?
sorry for the noobishness |
robert chanda
20.11.2009 | We'll go into this in more detail on the Midifighter.com site no doubt, but the expansion port is more exciting than you might imagine.
The basics: You get 4 digital in/outs and 4 analog ins.
Using this you can add 4 switches and 4 sliders.
OR, use analog multiplexers driven by the 4 digital lines to select between 16 banks of 4 analog ins = 64 sliders.
OR, use the digital lines to implement a latch-and-shift-in bank of as many switches as memory will allow (256? 1024?). Plus use the other digital line to switch between two banks of 4 analog ins = 8 pots.
OR use three of the digital pins as an SPI bus (MSIO, MISO and CLOCK) to talk to another microcontroller on the other side at high speed and send LED settings, read inputs and control a full machine with the Midifighter acting as the USB-MIDI host.
The limits are really your imagination and daring in the electronics sphere. We did the hard part of setting up a USB-MIDI class compliant controller so you get to play. This is why we call it a "platform". Keeping it open source also allows others to learn from your adventures. |
