Traditional House
Progressive House
Tech House
Techno
Electro House
Trance
Electronica

United States
United Kingdom
Germany
Italy
France
Spain
Netherlands

Traktor Kontrol X1 Announced!

Home :: Reviews of DJ equipment :: Traktor Kontrol X1 Announced!Reply

Traktor Kontrol X1 Announced! Posted on: 03.11.2009 by Nick Ross http://www.native-instruments.com/#/...or-kontrol-x1/ Have fun.
Leota Saniuk 04.11.2009	Originally Posted by Karlos Santos They can. Anyone can freely remap the device completely. NI have designed it to be used 'intuitively' with Traktor. Of course they have. If you use Traktor you will use the NI protocol. If you use other software you will use Midi. I dont get the big fuss over NI making a controller designed to work really well with NI software. If you dont like it dont buy one. Whats the big deal. I dont see any close mindedness at all. I just dont get all this "oh open source is way more cool" and this opposition to NI . Who cares. Mixx can do whatever they like. Their hardly likely to bring NI to its knees just cus its made a controller. Just the typical obsession people have with rubbishing everything the big bad NI do. Its just a controller for gods sake (a bloody well made and cheap one at that) ???baffled??? 1) no you cannot just map the control like you want, because you do not have the same access to traktor that NI gave themselves with their custom protocol. 2) its not that NI will be brought to its knees because they released a controller. its because they continue to fence themselves off more and more with everything they do. 3) open source by its very nature doesnt fence itself off. that being said the disruptive force that will move things out from "fenced off" can be anything. noticed i mentioned bitwig, which i do not expect to be open source. it could also be ableton with max4live partnering with serato. the point being .. one day there will be someone that enables something that NI hasnt prepared themselves for, that becomes big so quickly that they cannot deliver it themselves in time and that nobody else can deliver for them, because they have closed themselves off. it might be stuff on the GUI level, the controller level or any combination or something totally different. 4) note that i am a very experienced software developer first and only a n00b musician. i know how this stuff works in the software world, but the ignorance with which MIK's licensing policies are met by musicians does indicate to me that musicians believe different with stuff like this. so maybe my views are too much influenced by my knowledge of the software market and not enough by the music eco system.
Beckie Baglia 04.11.2009	Im digging this controller alot. Mainly the one knob loop seems really intriguing. I currently have the x-session pro which is great but this seems to take all the things extra I need and put them in a controller. Then you get a mixer and you're set.
Dolores Sefcovic 04.11.2009	Originally Posted by innervoice That's where I really don't agree (respectfully of course). There's tons of existing devices which do this and a whole lot more, and for cheaper. FX, Browsing, Looping, etc, they are all just mapped to a button. What that button is is completely arbitrary and completely up to you (unless you use someone else's mapping). Just seems like a big waste of money, masked by the language of marketing. I hope I'm wrong because I'm finding less and less reason to use Traktor these days. Exactly...They are mapped to...Thats what I am saying. This is more of a purpose built controller. It is aimed specifically to fill in the gaps, not replace. You can map out extensively a controller to include anything included here, but then you add something like this to the market, and it makes less sense to try to make another controller fit. I am considering switching to DVS, and see this as a controller that is there to fill in the control gaps with DVS. Thats my view on it anyways, that NI didnt make this to replace your control method, but rather to augment it.
Latoria Kavulich 03.11.2009	Looks awesome. as long as its below $500NZD i'm gonna get one when they come out, should have a job by then lol. I would set it up for global effects and deck c&d control.
Roberto Viccione 03.11.2009	The last thing anyone's gonna do is give you flack for posting. We're just going to continue the discussion. Anybody gives you shit just for posting, you let me know. I have some pretty little buttons to make them go away
Marybeth Escandon 03.11.2009	My bad then. I must have misread your post. I thought I was getting flack for posting. Sorry about that. That'll teach me to use DJTT as a quick distraction from work
nayit ruiz jaramillo 03.11.2009	Er ... dude. My post didnt criticize you. Im just discussing the topic like you are. Bit confused at your post. I believe youve taken something the wrong way. Your entitled to your opinion as much as anyone. Confused???
Marybeth Escandon 03.11.2009	Originally Posted by Karlos Santos I dont get the big fuss over NI making a controller designed to work really well with NI software. If you dont like it dont buy one. Whats the big deal. I dont see any close mindedness at all. I'm posting since it was a thread about the device and didn't believe my criticism warranted a new one. I'm not looking to rain on anyone's parade but I figure my feedback is legit, at least on some level. Not looking to make waves, just encourage healthy discussion.
nayit ruiz jaramillo 03.11.2009	Originally Posted by Chilly I've had enough of your propaganda Karlos. BEGONE! sickening isnt it. Im just offering a bit of balance. If it was gold plated and delivered with a free Playboy Bunny it would still be huge mistake.
Nick Ross 03.11.2009	GAAAAHHHH you British Brit! BEGOOONE I SAY!
nayit ruiz jaramillo 03.11.2009	Originally Posted by DvlsAdvct This isn't NI dropping the ball. This is NI making a controller very well suited for their software to make DJs lives easier. . Exactly.
Nick Ross 03.11.2009	I've had enough of your propaganda Karlos. BEGONE!
nayit ruiz jaramillo 03.11.2009	Originally Posted by lsmith But it also means that sites like DJTT can also not provide them with alternative mappings. They can. Anyone can freely remap the device completely. NI have designed it to be used 'intuitively' with Traktor. Of course they have. If you use Traktor you will use the NI protocol. If you use other software you will use Midi. I dont get the big fuss over NI making a controller designed to work really well with NI software. If you dont like it dont buy one. Whats the big deal. I dont see any close mindedness at all. I just dont get all this "oh open source is way more cool" and this opposition to NI . Who cares. Mixx can do whatever they like. Their hardly likely to bring NI to its knees just cus its made a controller. Just the typical obsession people have with rubbishing everything the big bad NI do. Its just a controller for gods sake (a bloody well made and cheap one at that) ???baffled???
Roberto Viccione 03.11.2009	I'm not really sure why this isn't good enough, let alone great. If you use Traktor Pro you now have an instant controller for the most basic of functions, allowing you to then take your external controllers to an even new level. If you use DVS this controller can make your life infinitely easier, as I see it. If you don't, you now have an even easier way of easily controlling four decks in a basic mode, freeing up your VCI or controller of choice to map to do even bigger things without having to worry about your transport buttons. You have even deeper control and visual feedback for hotcues now. those buttons might not be as limber as the arcade buttons, but if you use them in tandem it can be a really interesting combination. It isn't perfect for everyone, but I don't believe anyone is ever going to make that. This isn't NI dropping the ball. This is NI making a controller very well suited for their software to make DJs lives easier. We aren't exactly the majority in the market. Just look at it from the angle of how many DJs download Ean's mappings. They aren't looking to make their own. They want something that works and works well. This is a simple controller, that can be combined for 4 deck control and 4 FX bank control... that's really powerful, if you ask me (not that anyone is, of course). And there's still MIDI assignments you can make to have it do whatever you want. I'm assuming you lose a lot of the LED feedback, though, which is going to be a huge selling point of this.
Leota Saniuk 03.11.2009	Originally Posted by DJPhaidon This trick, is it user configurable like midi mapping? or is the whole thing set in it's ways when it comes to how it works with Traktor? I have already imagined some good uses for this thing with it's high def resolution, but is no good unless the thing is mappable. Right .. from the video it really seems like the controller can do some nice stuff. But it will only do it according to their definition of what constitutes an "intuitive" workflow. I guess for many musicians thats fine, since they do not want to deal with MIDI mapping. But it also means that sites like DJTT can also not provide them with alternative mappings. NI missed a chance to come out with a bang by supporting OSC and becoming market leader in providing a mass market OSC controller. Instead they wasted time reinventing the wheel. I hope their closed mindedness will spell doom for them sooner than later, then again all the other commercial competitors seem to have the same mindset, leaving the door open for a disruptive competitor .. maybe Mixxx .. maybe bitwig .. maybe someone else .. but hopefully someone.
nayit ruiz jaramillo 03.11.2009	One of the most requested things on the Traktor community is an NI Controller. Now theyve made one. Im struggling to believe of any really well built controller that does all that for that price. Id even finally concede that my beloved Faderfox has finally been trumped.
Marybeth Escandon 03.11.2009	Originally Posted by djlokifl I believe its more of a matter of it being designed to really work with other control methods to address a specific workflow that seems to be missing with those control methods without using things like shift keys, modifiers, or the computer keyboard. Specifically dealing with fx, browsing, and looping which seem to be an afterthought in most other control methods. That's where I really don't agree (respectfully of course). There's tons of existing devices which do this and a whole lot more, and for cheaper. FX, Browsing, Looping, etc, they are all just mapped to a button. What that button is is completely arbitrary and completely up to you (unless you use someone else's mapping). Just seems like a big waste of money, masked by the language of marketing. I hope I'm wrong because I'm finding less and less reason to use Traktor these days.
nayit ruiz jaramillo 03.11.2009	Originally Posted by Architect but then you need the 300+gbp Audio Kontrol 8. Dude , not sure what that means. There no such device. Also You can use any soundcard with Traktor Pro as the contollers are not connected to the card. Re: Connection. You cant daisy chain USB devices so if you used 2 X1s you would need a Powered USB HUB. The X1 uses a proprietary protocol that works only with Traktor. Of course you can use and map it via Midi for other software. Its not specifically aimed at the DVS market. Its equally aimed at DJs that use external mixers or controllers that have Mixer sections (such as the VCI). But obviously if you use DVS it will fit in your setup really easily (much like an Xone 1D or Faderfox). No faders or jog, just control over the software functions that you may not have with a traditional setup. Its multifunction buttons or designed to function intuitively with Traktor. It would also work as an amazing FX unti with the VCI 300 and is considerably cheaper and more functional the the VFX1.
Von Riggi 03.11.2009	hello all all the info on this one here: http://www.native-instruments.com/#/...-x1/?page=1206 including every setup permutation possible and if your in the uk checkout http://www.decks.co.uk its 179gbp for one (2decks) or 355gbp for two (4decks) but then you need the 300+gbp Audio Kontrol 8. Am currently considering what controller to go for, only things against this one (for me) is no sliders (pitch, although i could probably get used to the buttons) or volume/EQ's but it shouldn't be too hard to remap some of the effects section rotaries to do that.
Petra Georgianna 03.11.2009	Originally Posted by MisterMoleyMole To the two people that are asking about linking it ... yes you can, so 2 units only need one usb port pn your lappy how is this done? can you change to midi channel of each device. Will there be a NI supported editor.
Adolf Hit 03.11.2009	yeah this is def aimed more at DVS users than the straight up digital dj, my insatiable gearlust dictates that I want them pretty bad but when I believe about how this would integrate into my current setup (2 x vci100) it does not offer many advantages. Im sure we are going to see some very interesting controllers come out of NI in the next year!
Doug Bieling 03.11.2009	To the two people that are asking about linking it ... yes you can, so 2 units only need one usb port pn your lappy
Dolores Sefcovic 03.11.2009	Originally Posted by innervoice But that only works in Traktor (and to me just sounds like a dressed up HID interface) Admittedly it seems a portion of digital dj's want a pre-mapped device like this (because they don't learn how to make custom mappings), but beyond them, I find it has a narrow scope and functionality you could find on a dozen other controllers. I believe its more of a matter of it being designed to really work with other control methods to address a specific workflow that seems to be missing with those control methods without using things like shift keys, modifiers, or the computer keyboard. Specifically dealing with fx, browsing, and looping which seem to be an afterthought in most other control methods.
Detra Ladmirault 03.11.2009	Originally Posted by Karlos Santos Possibly but the X1 has been designed to work intuitively with Traktor with multi function buttons its way more powerful than the 1D and a lot easier to use with Traktor. It also has a little trick up its sleeve to make it communicate with traktor . It's sounding better and better
Marybeth Escandon 03.11.2009	Originally Posted by Chilly http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/1...ode/#more-8202 High-Res using a proprietary protocol. But that only works in Traktor (and to me just sounds like a dressed up HID interface) Admittedly it seems a portion of digital dj's want a pre-mapped device like this (because they don't learn how to make custom mappings), but beyond them, I find it has a narrow scope and functionality you could find on a dozen other controllers.
03.11.2009	wish it had mixer controls. want less gear to plug in, not more! granted, it's geared toward time code control folk. will still keep using the vci-100 se.
Hipolito Scionti 03.11.2009	Can you loop 2 together to keep the usb port free or do you need 3 x usb ports? That's pretty key. I reckon it looks like the nuts to be honest!
Petra Georgianna 03.11.2009	Originally Posted by Karlos Santos Trust me it rips the arse out of the A&H 1d. The 1d doesnt even compare. how?
Nick Ross 03.11.2009	http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/1...ode/#more-8202 High-Res using a proprietary protocol.
Herschel January 03.11.2009	Originally Posted by Karlos Santos It also has a little trick up its sleeve to make it communicate with traktor . This trick, is it user configurable like midi mapping? or is the whole thing set in it's ways when it comes to how it works with Traktor? I have already imagined some good uses for this thing with it's high def resolution, but is no good unless the thing is mappable.
Florence Alch 03.11.2009	can you plug 2 together so you only need one usb? having an audio 8 and 2 of these would mean a USB hub....surely NI has thought of that? Fingers crossed.
nayit ruiz jaramillo 04.11.2009	Possibly but the X1 has been designed to work intuitively with Traktor with multi function buttons its way more powerful than the 1D and a lot easier to use with Traktor. It also has a little trick up its sleeve to make it communicate with traktor .
Logan Lassey 04.11.2009	Surely you could map the 1D to operate pretty much exactly the same as this if you wanted to? Or am I missing something?
nayit ruiz jaramillo 04.11.2009	Originally Posted by Paco Loco Interesting! Will be keen to see some comparisons between this and the A&H 1D... Trust me it rips the arse out of the A&H 1d. The 1d doesnt even compare.
Detra Ladmirault 03.11.2009	I hope NI does well with this new controller.
Logan Lassey 03.11.2009	Yeah and that seems even worse when converted into pounds at the current exchange rate.... I wonder what the UK RRP will be.
Jaymie Rothbard 03.11.2009	199 euros.... hmmmm
Logan Lassey 03.11.2009	Interesting! Will be keen to see some comparisons between this and the A&H 1D...

<< Back to Reviews of DJ equipment Reply

Copyright 2012-2023 DJRANKINGS.ORG n.g.o. Chuo-ku, Osaka, Japan	Created by Ajaxel CMS
Terms & Privacy

The best DJ in Gibraltar is:

Traktor Kontrol X1 Announced!